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[1. Call to Order]
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING WHERE OUR FOCUS WILL BE THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE OF THE LAND OF WAXAHATCHEE, TEXAS.IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION, WHICH WILL BE LED BY OUR VERY OWN.
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR THIS INCREDIBLE CITY THAT WE GET TO LIVE IN AND WORK IN AND RAISE OUR FAMILIES IN.
I PRAY THAT YOU CONTINUE TO BLESS OUR CITY AND, UM, AND THESE, THESE AMAZING CONSTITUENTS THAT TAKE THE TIME TO COME AND SHOW UP AND BE VESTED IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR THE AWESOME STAFF THAT ORCHESTRATES, UH, THESE MEETINGS.
AND LORD, THANK YOU FOR THESE COMMISSIONERS THAT COME AND VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME, UH, FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I PRAY THAT YOU GIVE US A, A CLEAR MIND TONIGHT AND, UM, THAT YOU GUIDE US, UM, SO THAT THE CITY WILL CONTINUE, UH, TO MOVE TOWARDS YOUR WILL.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
PEOPLE THAT HAVE SUBMITTED A PUBLIC APPEARANCE CARD MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUES.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY CONCERN WHETHER ON THIS AGENDA OR NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT COMMENT OR DELIBERATE SUCH STATEMENTS DURING THIS PERIOD, EXCEPT AS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 5 5 1 0.042 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.
WE HAVE ZERO PEOPLE SIGN UP TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS.
NEXT, WE WILL MOVE TO THE OPEN ISSUES.
[4. Consent Agenda]
CONSENT AGENDA.ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER ITEM NUMBER FOUR ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.
THERE WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE MATTERS.
APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO EXECUTE ALL MATTERS NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT EACH ITEM.
ANY ITEM MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION BY ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[5. Public Hearing on a request by City of Waxahachie to rename a portion of Old Italy Road, beginning approximately 600 feet south along the western property boundary of the tract of land described as Tract 1 in deed to Blue Jacket Group LLC, recorded in Instrument No. 2242342, of the Official Public Records of Ellis County, Texas (OPRECT), to the beginning of Lake Shore Drive, should be, and is, renamed to be “Eastham Way”]
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE TO RENAME A PORTION OF OLD ITALY ROAD BEGINNING APPROXIMATELY 600 FEET SOUTH ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY OF THE TRACT OF LAND DESCRIBED AS TRACK ONE INDEED TO BLUE JACKET GROUP LLC RECORDED IN INSTRUMENT NUMBER 2 2 4 2 3 4 2 OF THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS OF ELLIS COUNTY, TEXAS.RET TO THE BEGINNING OF LAKE SHORE DRIVE SHOULD BE AND IS RENAMED TO BE EASTON WAY.
THIS IS FOR A PROPOSED, UH, REQUEST TO NAME THE ROAD, UH, FROM OLD OLD ITALY ROAD TO EAST DE MO.
UM, THIS, WHEN WE SENT NOTIFICATIONS, WE REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WOULD BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGH CERTIFIED MAIL.
UM, TRY AND GET A RESPONSE FROM THEM.
WE RECEIVED NOTHING IN OPPOSITION, NOTHING IN SUPPORT.
UM, THIS IS A CITY INITIATED REQUEST AND STAFF CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BY THE COMMISSION? YES.
UH, WHY IS IT GONNA BE CALLED EASTERN ROAD? A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT.
SO THE REASON THIS IS GONNA BE CALLED EASTERN, WHY THE REQUEST IS MADE EASTERN ROAD WAS THE FAMILY THAT WHERE A LOT OF THIS PROPERTY WAS, UH, WHERE THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL'S GONNA BE LOCATED.
A LOT OF THAT PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY OWNED BY THE EASTONS.
AND SO FOR THAT REASON OF WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY AND SOME OF THE HISTORY BEHIND THEO FAMILY, UM, I BELIEVE, UH, MR. EASTON WAS A FORMER REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS AREA.
UM, YEAH, I'M GLAD I HAVE THE AUDIENCE HELP.
UM, EVELYN PITTS, JIM PITT'S WIFE WAS EVELYN EASTON PITS, SO THAT THAT WAS HER FAMILY'S LAND.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? KATE? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAD ZERO PEOPLE SIGN UP TO SPEAK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.
THEREFORE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
[6. Consider recommendation of renaming a portion of Old Italy Road to Eastham Way]
MOTION.I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE TO RENAME A PORTION OF OLD ITALY ROAD TO EASTON WAY WITHIN THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR AND OR CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PLEASE.
[7. Public Hearing on a request by Terry Weaver for a Zoning Change from a Single Family- 2 (SF-2) zoning district to a Two-Family (2F) zoning district, for a duplex use located at 525 Lake Park Avenue, (Property ID 171592) - Owner: Kotha Holdings Group LLC (ZDC- 146-2025)]
NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PUBLIC HEARING[00:05:01]
ON A REQUEST BY TERRY WEAVER FOR A ZONING CHANGE FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TWO ZONING DISTRICT TO A TWO FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT FOR A DUPLEX USE LOCATED AT 5 2 5 LAKE PARK AVENUE.OWNER KOTA HOLDINGS GROUP L-L-C-Z-D-C DASH 1 46 DASH 2 0 2 5.
THIS FOR CUS UH, REZONING REQUEST GOING FROM SINGLE FAMILY, UM, TO DISTRICT TO A TWO FAMILY DISTRICT.
WHAT THE PROPOSED REQUEST WOULD BE ALLOW WOULD TO ALLOW IT TO HAVE DUPLEXES ON THE PROPERTY, UM, AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, SINCE IT IS BASED ZONING, A SITE PLAN OR, UH, BUILDING ELEVATIONS ARE NOT REQUIRED.
UH, SINCE THOSE ARE ONLY GENERALLY ATTACHED TO, UM, PD REQUESTS.
AS FAR AS THIS REQUEST, THIS CURRENTLY IS ON THE SF TWO DISTRICT.
PROPOSED USE OF THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AS YOU GO FORTH.
THE DUPLEX, THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT TO BE PLATTED ON ITS OWN LOT.
SO YOUR INTERIOR LOTS WOULD'VE ZERO SIDE SETBACKS AND THE SIDE SETBACKS WOULD BE SIX FEET.
UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD BE A BENEFIT IN THIS AREA, ALLOW FOR A DIFFERENT, A DIVERSE HOUSING TYPE IN THE AREA.
UM, WHEN THIS, WHEN WHEN WE MEL NOTICES ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN, UH, 200 FEET ZERO CAME BACK IN FAVOR OF ZERO, CAME BACK IN OPPOSITION, STAFF CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? DO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT TREATMENT? YEAH, OUR RECOMMENDATION, SO THE, THE REQUESTER IS REQUESTING THAT DUPLEXES BE ALLOWED ON THE LOT WE'RE REQUESTING.
OUR CONDITION WOULD BE GO AHEAD AND ALLOW FOR THAT, BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT WOULD BE PLATTED ON ITS OWN LOT.
OR, OR THEY WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION REQUEST AND SUBMIT A PD APPLICATION.
THOSE ARE EITHER DO WE'RE REQUESTING THEM TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES MA'AM.
COULD YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? YES MA'AM.
MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 8 1 5 WEST MAIN STREET, MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS NAME.
MY COMPANY IS STERLING DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.
WE'RE AT REAL ESTATE, UH, CONSULTING AND PLANNING COMPANY REPRESENTING MR. COTE TONIGHT.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING, SMALLEST DEVELOPMENTS I'VE EVER TRIED TO DO SOMETHING ON.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY EIGHT ACRES WITH A HOUSE ON IT.
THAT'S HOW IT'S PLANTED TODAY.
TODAY THIS IS A REPL THAT WE DID FOR THE PREVIOUS OWNER, MR. JOHN RAY.
AND WE NEVER MOVED FORWARD ON IT AFTER IT WAS RE PLATTED AND IT WAS UNDER SF TWO STRAIGHT ZONING.
THERE IS AN EXISTING HOUSE AND I'M CAN'T REALLY SEE IT, BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE.
IT WOULD BE IN THAT MIDDLE LOT.
ONCE IT'S PLATTED THEN WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF OPEN SPACE BECAUSE GOOD OLD MUSTANG CREEK RUNS THROUGH THERE.
I TRIED TO GIVE IT TO THE CITY BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.
SO MY OWNER WILL HAVE TO RETAIN THAT AND IT'LL HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE OWNER, WHICH HE'S WILLING TO DO.
UH, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO NORMALLY DOING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUT WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE THESE FEW LOTS AND THIS SMALL OF A TRACK OF LAND, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT CAN GET A LITTLE CUMBERSOME 'CAUSE POSITION'S.
AND UH, SO WE'RE MORE OPEN TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DOING WHAT I WOULD CALL THE SMALLER LOTS WITH ZERO LOT LINE SO THAT EACH UNIT WOULD BE ON FEE SIMPLE INSTEAD OF TWO UNITS ON A SINGLE LOT, WHICH WE CALL THOSE IN THE INDUSTRY TOWN HOMES, THEY WOULD BE ATTACHED 'CAUSE THERE'S ZERO.
BUT EACH BUILDING WOULD BE OWNED BY A SEPARATE OWNER.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS IN STRAIGHT SF TWO ZONING, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY ISSUE TO US PLATTING OF 45, 40 TO 45 FOOT LOT FOR THESE TOWN HOMES TO GO ON? 'CAUSE IF YOU NOTICE UNDER THE SF TWO STRAIGHT ZONING ON OUR REPL THAT'S IN LIMBO RIGHT NOW.
THE LOTS ARE 90 VARIOUS SIZES.
OF COURSE WE DO HAVE THE ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THERE THAT COULD BE A TEAR DOWN REBUILD IN THE FUTURE.
S SO ACCORDING TO THE REGULATIONS
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IN THE TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE 40 FOOT WIDE LOTS FOR EACH DWELLING UNIT.ACCORDING TO HOW THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.
AND IT'S THE, IN THE STRAIGHT ZONING, IT'S A SIX FOOT SIDE ENTRY, I MEAN SIDE EASEMENT, UH, THE SIDE SETBACK WOULD, I MEAN SIDE SETBACK.
EXCUSE ME, IT'D BE A SIX FOOT, UH, MINIMUM SIDE YARD.
AND THEN IF IT'S ON A CORNER LOT THAT'D BE 15 FEET.
WHAT ABOUT THE CUL-DE-SAC? LOTS? UM, THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD SINCE IT'D, THAT WOULD NOT BE A CORNER LOT.
THAT'D BE CONSIDERED A A A TYPICAL SIDE HERE.
AS LONG AS THE BUILDING SITE WAS CORRECT.
SO EACH, EACH DWELLING WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE 40 FEET AND WIDTH AND THEN THE WHOLE BUILDING LOT.
I GUESS IF COMBINE THE LOSS, IT'D BE 80 FEET AND ALL THIS COULD BE HANDLED THROUGH THE CURRENT STRAIGHT ZONING.
THAT'D BE, UH, THAT COULD BE ADMINIS UH, THROUGH THE PROPOSED REQUEST FOR THE TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UM, THIS COULD ALL BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH HIS PROPOSED REQUEST.
ARE Y'ALL MORE OPEN TO THAT? ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING INDIVIDUALLY EACH DWELLING UNIT BEING INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED IS IT ALLOWS INSTEAD OF THE BUILDING BEING OWNED BY ONE PERSON, EACH DWELLING UNIT COULD BE OWNED BY AN INDIVIDUAL.
ALLOW FOR A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO OWN A DWELLING UNIT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO OWN THE WHOLE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S WHY STAFF IS LEANING TOWARDS THAT WOULD GIVE THAT, UM, DIVERSIFIED HOUSING THAT WE'RE LACKING IN OTHER AREAS TO SOMEWHERE THAT'S REALLY NEEDED.
SO WELL THAT WOULD COMP IT WOULD, UH, BE ACCEPTABLE TO OUR CLIENT BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT CHANGE THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WE WERE REALLY WANTING TO ONLY PUT DUPLEXES ON ALL THE LOTS FACING THE NEW STREET.
SO NONE OF 'EM WOULD BE FACING LAKE PARK.
NOW OF COURSE IF WE GO THIS ZONING, THERE COULD BE SIX UNITS FACING LAKE PARK, WHICH I'M GOOD WITH.
UH, THEY WOULD BE OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS AND YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE FRONT ENTRY GARAGES AND WE WERE PROPOSING THE DUPLEXES THAT WE LOOKED AT, THEY WERE NOT SMALL LITTLE CRACKER BOX DUPLEXES.
THEY WERE 1800 TO 1900 SQUARE FOOT, FOUR BEDROOM ON EACH SIDE.
SO, UH, BASED ON THIS, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO COME A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
AND SORRY FOR MY RUDENESS EARLIER.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
UH, SO I THINK IT WOULD WORK FOR MY CLIENT AND I THINK IT MIGHT CREATE A BETTER PRODUCT FOR WAXAHATCHEE THAN DU DUPLEX.
HE WAS JUST GOING FOR, HE'S AN INVESTOR BUILDER HIMSELF.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, HE OWNS RENTAL UNITS AROUND DALLAS FORT WORTH.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT IS TO, TO BUILD AND SELL.
IT'S NOT TO BUILD OWN AND RENT.
WELL, IT'S ALWAYS THE INTENT TO BUILD ON AND SELL, BUT ALSO IT COULD BE A PROPERTY THAT COULD BE RENTED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND WALKS OF HATCHET.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE A, GENERALLY WHEN YOU HAVE, SO, SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STAFF'S CONDITION AND WHAT THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS, UM, USUALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A DUPLEX, YOU'LL SEE ONE OF THOSE BEING RENTED OUT OR BOTH RENTED OUT AS A DUPLEX.
SINCE ONE PERSON OWNS THE ENTIRE BUILDING WHERE WE'RE REQUESTING THAT EACH DWELLING IN IT BE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED, YOU'D HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE TO BE ABLE TO BE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED.
AND MADAM CHAIRMAN, MY CLIENT CURRENTLY BILLS ALSO THROUGH ANOTHER COMPANY, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, 400,000 PLUS THAT HE DOES SELL MM-HMM
SO I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT.
IF AN OWNER BUYS THESE FROM US, THEY COULD TURN AROUND AND MAKE IT A RENTAL UNIT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT WALKS HATCH.
BUT, BUT HE HIMSELF IS NOT PLANNING TO HOLD ONTO THEM AND RENT THEM HIMSELF.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ZONE WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN I SAW YOUR RECOMMENDATION EARLIER, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF SF TWO STRAIGHT ZONING WOULD SUPPORT THE SMALLER LOT AND IF I COULD ACTUALLY GET THAT PLATTED IN THE FUTURE.
YEAH, SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SF, SO JUST TO KIND CLARIFY, THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS ZONED SF TWO, THE REQUEST IS FOR TWO F, WHICH IS OUR TWO DWELLING UNIT.
IT'S KIND OF A MULTIFAMILY, UM, ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR DUPLEXES.
UM, WE WOULD BE ASKING FOR THIS TO HAVE A CONDITION THAT EACH DWELLING UNIT BE PLOTTED INDIVIDUALIZED
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CONDITION.SO WE'RE THAT'S UNDER THE MULTIFAMILY OR WE GONNA STAY WITH US.
SO PROPOSED REQUEST THAT YOU REQUEST AS, AS YOUR ZONING APPLICATION WOULD BE GOING FROM SF TWO TO TWO F.
SO TWO F WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD BUILD WOULD STAFF IS SUPPORTING THE, THE REQUEST OF TWO F WITH THE CONDITION THAT EACH DWELLING UNIT BE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED.
SO WE BEGIN THE SAME, SO NOW WE'LL BE OPERATING UNDER TWO F WITH CONDITIONS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND SO I GOTTA GO BACK NOW AND STUDY TWO F BUT TWO AND TWO F WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DO THE 40.
THOSE WERE THE DIMENSIONS I WAS TELLING YOU.
UM, THE MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT SIZE WOULD BE 900 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE THE MINIMUM SIZE.
YOU CAN ALWAYS GO LARGER THAN 900 SQUARE FEET.
LIVING AREA DO FRONT ENTRY GARAGE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND SO, UM, I BELIEVE HIS REQUEST AND WHAT THE CITY'S REQUEST WE'RE AT THE SAME POINT, IT WOULD GIVE HIM THE SAME DENSITY, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO INDIVIDUALLY OWN THESE DWELLING UNITS.
IF THAT SO BE THE CASE WHEN IT'S DEVELOPED OUT, INSTEAD OF ONE PERSON OWNING EACH BUILDING AND THEN RENTING OUT, IT'S MORE THAN LIKELY THEY'LL, THEY'LL RENT IT OUT.
WHERE THIS WOULD GIVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY, A BETTER CHANCE IF EVEN IF YOU WERE TO RENT 'EM OUT NOW IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU WANTED TO GET RID OF 'EM, HE COULD SELL 'EM INDIVIDUALLY TO EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON TO BUY THEIR OWN DWELLING UNIT.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, BACK TO YOUR EARLIER QUESTION.
I THINK THINK IF WE GO THE TOWNHOME TOWNHOME ROUTE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM OR WHERE THEY'RE EACH ON A FEE SIMPLE LOT, YOU WILL HAVE MORE OWNER OCCUPANCY.
BECAUSE THEY WON'T HAVE TO BUY THE WHOLE BUILDING.
BUT YOU COULD STILL HAVE SOME INVESTOR HOUSING OVER THERE.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE LOVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE AND WOULD LIKE, AND IT'S TRANSITIONING AS WE'RE SEEING, SO, OKAY.
IF WHATEVER WE CAN DO, IF UH, WE THINK WE CAN GET A POSITIVE VOTE ON THAT, UH, I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER YOU GOTTA DO OVER THERE, MR. ROBERSON.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. WEAVER.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE.
WE HAD ONE PERSON SIGN UP TO SPEAK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ZDC DASH 1 46 DASH 2 0 2 5 AND THE SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
AND MS. MCCLARY, REAL QUICK, I WANNA MAKE A CORRECTION.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE THREE LETTERS, TWO LETTERS WERE IN SUPPORT, ONE LETTER WAS IN OPPOSITION, SO I DEEPLY APOLOGIZE BY MISTAKE.
COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YES.
UM, AND, AND WE CAME TODAY AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED, BUT WAS WANTING TO LEARN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, HOPING THAT IT WOULDN'T BE RENTALS, OF COURSE.
IT'S PRETTY BUSY EVEN THOUGH WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, OFF THE BEATEN PATH AND, AND IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM THERE FOR TOO MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, COMING AND GOING.
UH, YOU MENTIONED A NEW STREET.
WHERE IS THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING? SURE.
UH, IT'S ON THE PROPOSED PLAT.
THIS IS THE EXISTING PLAT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT WENT FORWARD.
IT HAS A CUL-DE-SAC GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE WOULD BE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CUL-DE-SAC IN IT.
SO THE ENTRY IS ON LAKE PARK RIGHT THERE GOING IN, IN AND OUT.
YEAH, SO I GUESS THAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, TALKING WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS NOT HAVING RENTAL PROPERTIES COMING INTO.
WE WANT TO KEEP THE PROPERTY VALUE UP, LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS TRANSITIONING.
UM, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE AREA.
WE'VE GOT A GREAT COMMUNITY OVER THERE, SO WE DO WANT TO SUPPORT IT.
UM, AND, AND THOSE WERE OUR MAIN QUESTIONS.
SO WE REALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME FAMILIES MOVE IN, UM, AND OWNERS, BUT THAT WOULD BE OUR BIG PROBLEM.
AND JUST THE SPACE, LIKE WE ALREADY PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH THE FRONT YARD ALL THE TIME NOW BECAUSE IT'S SO TIGHT, THAT CURVE.
UM, THE BUS AND I, WE HAVE, WE HAVE DAILY HELLOS, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANTED TO SAY, UM, BEING IN OPPOSITION OF IT, BUT PRIMARILY BECAUSE RENTAL PROPERTIES AND SO FORTH.
DIDN'T WANNA SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT GO IN.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME MUCH.
WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE CHAIR
[8. Consider recommendation of ZDC-146-2025]
WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CDC 1 46 20 25 ZONING CHANGE FROM SF TWO TO TWO F ZONING[00:20:01]
DISTRICTS.SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
DO WE NEED TO AMEND IT TO SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS DISCUSSED? YEAH, SO THE CONDITION THAT STAFF REPORT ACTUALLY HAS TWO CONDITIONS.
ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS, UM, EACH LOT BEING PLOTTED OR EACH DWELLING UNIT BEING PLOTTED ON ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL LOT.
UM, YOU COULD SAY THE CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT MINUS REQUIRING THEM TO GO BACK AS A PD.
I TOLD YOU THAT TR WORK IS MATTER.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH CONDITIONS.
I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
AND I WILL NOTE THAT I REALLY HOPE THAT SOME YOUNG FAMILIES WILL COME IN AND PURCHASE THOSE.
UM, BECAUSE HOME OWNERSHIP IS A WONDERFUL THING.
AND JUST AS A REMINDER TO THE AUDIENCE, UM, WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY WE DON'T APPROVE REAL QUICK, SORRY FOR THE VOTE.
WHO VOTED? WHO'S THE OPPOSITION? SO I CAN MARK THAT DOWN.
AND AS A RECOMMENDING BODY, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW PRIMARILY THE GUIDANCE OF STAFF AND THE CONDITIONS AND THE REPORTS BASED ON THE FACTS.
AND IT IS OUR CITY COUNCIL THAT ULTIMATELY MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION ON SOMETHING BEING APPROVED OR NOT.
SO YOUR COMMENTS ARE DULY NOTED,
PLEASE GO TO THE NEXT, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU SHARE YOUR CONCERNS THERE AS WELL.
[9. Public Hearing on a request by Melvin Barnes, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for an Accessory Dwelling Unit use within a Single Family-2 zoning district located at 732 N. Gibson St (Property ID 174210) - Owner: William T. Marth & Susan Marth (ZDC-4-2026)]
IS ITEM NUMBER NINE.IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY MELVIN BARNES FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT USE WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY TWO ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 7 3 2 NORTH GIBSON STREET.
OWNER IS WILLIAM T AND SUSAN MARTH, ZDC DASH FOUR DASH 22 6.
YOU'D RATHER HEAR FROM HIM ANYWAY.
UM, HE, HE JUST HAS THAT KIND OF VOICE.
UM, SO I'LL YOU PRESENTING TONIGHT, UM, ACCORDANCE WITH OUR ZONING REGULATIONS.
UM, ANYTIME ANYONE REQUESTS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT DID REQUEST A SPECIFIC USE PER, UH, PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
UM, WITH THIS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED.
UH, SIMILARLY, THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE BASE ZONING.
IT WOULD BE SIMILARLY ZONED TO ALL THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES AROUND IT.
UM, THE CURRENT RESIDENCE IS APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY 2,800 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WITH THIS AS PART OF THIS, UM, SO AS PART OF THIS, THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE MAKING, THERE'S, THERE'S VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS, IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE ON THE PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THE REAR, THERE'S GONNA BE A, A, A GARAGE THAT THEY WANT TO ADD TO IT.
UM, THEY DO PLAN TO HAVE THE GARAGE ATTACHED TO THE, UM, EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEY'RE DOING THIS IN, THEY'RE REQUESTING THIS REQUEST TO BE DONE IN PHASES.
UM, THE FIRST PHASE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING WOULD BE TO CONSTRUCT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
UM, CURRENTLY HOW THIS PROPERTY IS SET UP, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES.
UM, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE OTHER LOT.
UM, AS PART OF THE CONDITION OF STAFF, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF IT.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND, IN ADDITION TO ALL OF OUR OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WE USUALLY DO WITH ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, BEING THAT THEY CAN'T RENT IT OUT TO OTHER PROPERTY, UH, THEY CAN'T RENT, HAS THAT, USE THAT AS A RENTAL PROPERTY.
UM, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT AS PART OF THE APPROVAL THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME IN AND REPL THIS PRIOR TO OBTAINING ANY KIND OF BUILDING PERMIT INTO ONE LOT.
UH, THIS WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM BUILDING THE A DU THAT DOESN'T HAVE PROPER ACCESS, INGRESS EGRESS, UM, TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, WITHOUT THE FRONT PORTION OF THE LOT.
IT WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE ON ONE LOT, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THEIR A DU REQUESTS THAT THEY ARE ALL LOCATED ON ONE LOT.
UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, REQUESTS IS CONSISTENT TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS, WE HAVE NO CONCERNS, BUT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS PART OF THE PROPOSED SEP THAT OUR CONDITIONS ARE BEING MET AS PART OF THIS REQUEST.
WE DO FEEL WITHOUT THE PROPERTY BEING REPLANTED, IT WOULD JUST SERVE AS A LOT THAT HAS NO ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THAT IS A NECESSARY STEP IN ORDER TO
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MAKE THIS, UM, CONSISTENT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO USE THIS AS A, AS A SECONDARY LOT THAT THEY CAN RENT FROM.UM, WHEN THIS WENT BEFORE, WE MAIL OUT LETTERS TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
WE RECEIVED ZERO LETTERS IN SUPPORT, ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.
STEPH, UH, DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS LAST TIME.
TRENTON, HOW CAN IT BE CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IF IT'S MORE THAN TWICE THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING HOME? YEAH, SO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UM, IS GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY 1500 SQUARE FEET.
SO ALL THE ADDITIONS THAT YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED THE THE GARAGE.
OH, THE 2,800 SQUARE FEET INCLUDES THE GARAGE? CORRECT.
AND IT'D BE EVERYTHING COMBINED.
WHEN IT'S THE FINAL PHASING, WHEN IT'S ALL COMPLETED, WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE AND, AND WHERE'S THE OTHER ACCESS POINT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ALLEY OR, SO IF YOU SCROLL OUT OF, OH, SORRY.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE NO, THERE'S ONLY ONE POINT OF ACCESS IS RIGHT HERE.
SO RIGHT NOW HOW THIS IS TWO SEPARATE LOTS.
THIS PORTION DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE ROAD AS PART OF OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, ANY SORT OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY HAS TO HAVE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND TECHNICALLY THIS LOT DOES NOT, THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS IF IT WERE TO DEVELOP ON ITS OWN.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING TO BE REPL INTO ONE LOT.
'CAUSE YOU REALLY CAN'T EVEN HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING IN ON A SEPARATE LOT FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
HOW LONG HAS THE CURRENT OWNER OWNED THE HOME? DO YOU KNOW? I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I'LL, I WOULD DEFER TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS PRESENT TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.
UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES.
WHY DON'T YOU COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
WE'RE REPRESENTING MELVIN BARNES WITH SOUTHERN STAR BUILDERS.
UM, SO THEY'VE OWNED IT SINCE 1995.
THEIR MOTHER'S IN THEIR LATE EIGHTIES.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHY THEY WANT TO ADD THIS AREA.
THEIR HOUSE IS, LIKE YOU SAID, 1200 SQUARE FOOT.
UM, THEY DON'T WANT THEIR MOM IN THE SAME ROOM WITH THEM, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD THAT ADDITIONAL AREA.
AND THEN, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, A LOT OF THAT IS THE GARAGE SPACE.
SO THE REASON THAT I ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT HOW LONG THEY'VE OWNED IT IS BECAUSE THE LETTER THAT WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE THEY JUST BOUGHT IT AND ARE FIXING IT UP, BUT, AND, AND I DROVE BY THAT JUST A SECOND, THAT ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
AND THEN GIVING THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU, AND YOU CAN CONVEY THIS TO THE OWNER, THAT I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT A HOME THAT'S CURRENTLY IN VIOLATION.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PERSON HERE THAT WROTE THAT OPPOSITION LETTER IS HERE, BUT I'M GLAD THEY DID BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION RIGHT NOW OF ALL KINDS OF CODES AND, AND IT'S IN EYESORE.
AND THAT'S IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THAT.
THE INITIAL PLAN IS TO GET THE, THAT SECTION STARTED AND THEN TO RENOVATE HIS HOME LATER TO MATCH THE NEW PART THAT WE'RE DOING.
THE, UH, REASON WHY THEY'RE WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ADDITION FIRST IS JUST 'CAUSE LIKE WE SAID, THEIR MOTHER'S NEEDING A SPACE TO LIVE.
AND THEN THE PLAN IS WITH, YOU SEE WITH THIS, UH, UPDATED RENDERING, WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH THE SAME TYPE OF LAPS, SIDING.
AND THEN ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED ON THE NEW ADDITION, THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE AND RENOVATE THE FRONT, UM, THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, OBVIOUSLY A FRESH COAT OF PAINT.
AND IS THERE ANY OTHER VIOLATION? JUST SO I KNOW, UM, WHAT'S ALL GOING INTO IT? AND I CAN CONVEY THAT TO THEM.
I MEAN, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA START, I'M NOT ON, I CAN SHOW YOU THE PIC, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AN EYESORE AND MM-HMM
AND I, YOU KNOW, IN GOOD FAITH, I THINK THAT A HOMEOWNER OUGHT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY AND NOT BE A NUISANCE TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN COME AND ASK FOR SOMETHING, QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DELAY THE ISSUANCE OF THE SUP UNTIL, UM, ANY CODE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE EXISTING OR REMEDIED? SO I WOULD, ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.
UM, I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT.
UM, I WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL OF AN SEP
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WITH SOME SORT OF CONDITION ON IT THAT SAYS THIS DOESN'T GO IN EFFECT UNTIL X, Y, AND Z TAKES PLACE.ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S POTENTIAL CODE VIOLATIONS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU EITHER TABLING THIS ITEM OR CONTINUING IT TO A FUTURE DATE OR RECOMMENDING DENIAL IF THAT, IF, IF, IF YOU DON'T WANNA, IF YOU WANNA DELAY THE APPROVAL, DENY IT WITH WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
EITHER DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE OR MOVE IT TO, UH, CONTINUE THIS ITEM OR TABLE IT.
UM, I, I WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVING WITH AN SP WITH A CONDITION THAT THEY CAN'T GET IT UNTIL THIS HAPPENS.
THAT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
IS IS THERE AN HOA IN THAT AREA? THERE'S NO HOA IN THIS AREA.
SO THIS IS ONE OF OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, PRIOR TO WHEN H OAS STARTED TAKING MORE IN EFFECT, HOA STARTED BECOMING MORE POPULAR IN THE MID BEGINNING OF 2000, LATE NINETIES.
MA'AM, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? I DON'T THINK WE GOT THAT.
I'M AN AGENT FOR SOUTHERN STORE BUILDERS HOME ADDRESS OR WORK ADDRESS? YOU CAN GIVE A BUSINESS ADDRESS, THAT'S FINE.
UM, TEN FIVE SIXTY ONE HIGHWAY 2 87, SUITE 1 0 4, INNIS, TEXAS.
JIMMY, DO YOU MIND IF I LOOK AT THE PICTURES JUST TO SURE.
I SAW ONE ON THE REAL, REAL QUICK.
ANY PICTURES THAT ARE BEING SHOWN, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AS PUBLIC RECORD.
SO IF YOU COULD FORWARD THOSE TO US, WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE PUBLIC RECORD.
I I DROVE BY TOO AND IT, IT'S NOT IN VERY GOOD SHAPE.
SO TRENTON, JUST FOR QUICK, ANY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH.
UM, CAN YOU OUTLINE ONE MORE TIME WHAT THE, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE? YEAH, I'LL OUTLINE.
UM, SO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PRESENTED WITH THE CONDITIONS.
YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH ALTERNATIVE CONDITIONS.
YOU COULD DENY WITH OR WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
YOU COULD TABLE SLASH CONTINUOUS TO A FUTURE MEETING DATE.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND APPROVING THE SEP WITH A CONDITION THAT STATES THE CON, THE SEP WILL NOT BE ISSUED AT A LATER TIME.
'CAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S WHEN YOU START GETTING REALLY DISCRETIONARY.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE ACCORDING TO THE STAFF OR WHOEVER'S ADMINISTERING IT, THEY FEEL IT'S MEETING EVERYTHING, THE INTENT OF IT.
SO, UM, I I WOULD NOT SUPPORT A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD HAVE THAT TYPE, THAT TYPE OF CONDITION TIED TO IT.
UM, CAN THE APPLICANT COME BACK PLEASE? SO WHEN THE, THE PHOTOS THAT I SAW, THERE'S SEVERAL CODE VIOLATIONS THERE, INCLUDING OUTSIDE STORAGE, WEATHER PROTECTION, OVERGROWN, UH, GRASS AND WEEDS AND SO FORTH.
HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE Y'ALL TO GET THAT REMEDIED SO THAT THE PROPERTY'S IN COMPLIANCE BEFORE ANYTHING IS APPROVED? THE SPECIFIC ONES YOU JUST NAMED WITH IN A COUPLE DAYS.
I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE MOST OF THAT TAKEN CARE OF TOMORROW AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING.
WE HAVE ZERO PEOPLE SIGN UP TO SPEAK FOR THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING FOR ZDC DASH FOUR DASH 26.
THEREFORE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
TRI, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TABLING VERSUS CONTINUING OR DOES IT MATTER? UH, JUST DIFFERENT WORDS HONESTLY, IN MY OPINION.
UM, TABLING CONTINU, I MEAN CONTINUING BOTH TABLING, TABLING WOULD ESSENTIALLY MAKE US RE NOTIFY THE CASE.
WHEN WE DO SCHEDULE A NEW DATE, WE WOULD HAVE TO RE NOTIFY, PUT CONTINUANCE.
YOU WOULD PUT A SPECIFIC MEETING DATE THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK.
UM, I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA HOLD OFF, I'D RECOMMEND DOING A CONTINUANCE TO A FUTURE DATE.
UM, AND REALLY SPECIFYING THIS TABLING IS IT LEAVES IT REALLY MUDDY ABOUT WHEN THEY CAN COME BACK CONTINUING, CONTINUING, IT WILL GIVE 'EM A DEADLINE AND THEN AT THAT TIME YOU CAN MAKE A FURTHER DECISION IF YOU WANNA CONTINUE IT.
AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO JUST RECOMMEND DENIAL OR MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVAL AND CONDITIONS,
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CHAIR WILL UN ENTERTAIN[10. Consider recommendation of ZDC-4-2026]
A MOTION I MOVE TO RECOMMEND CONTINUING ZDC 4 20 26 SUP FOR AN A DU SUB, UH, UNTIL THE SECOND, BASICALLY THE NEXT PNZ MEETING, WHATEVER THAT DATE IS.WELL, THEY HAVE TIME TO TAKE CARE OF IT ALL.
THAT IS THAT, THAT'S ABOUT TWO WEEKS IT SOUNDS LIKE.
I MEAN, I'D PROBABLY RECOMMEND GIVING IT A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
WHAT'S THE SECOND ONE IN JUNE? I WAS GONNA SAY LIKE JULY THE 23RD, 28TH.
GIVE HIM 60 DAYS TO, TO GET IT ALL TAKEN CARE OF SO THEY CAN GET PEOPLE TO COME OUT.
AND I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER Y'ALL FEEL, BUT WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS IS GIVE THEM TIME TO NOT NECESSARILY DENY IT AND THEN THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE TO START THE WHOLE THING OVER.
BUT JUST DELAY IT WITHOUT CREATING A BUNCH OF EXTRA WORK SO THAT THEY CAN GET THE PROPERTY.
WHAT DAY IS THE 60 DAYS AFTER, OR SORRY, I SAID 28TH JULY.
I THINK IT'S JULY 21ST WOULD BE, SO JULY 21ST, ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS OR SO.
CAN YOU RESTATE THAT SIR? SO I MOVED TO RECOMMEND CONTINUING ZDC FOUR DASH 2026 AN SUP FOR AN A DU UNTIL THE JULY 21ST.
IT WAS THAT, UH, THAT'S A NOT A A P DATE.
OH, WAS I RIGHT AT FIRST? IT'D BE JULY 28TH.
BE, I'M SORRY, THAT'S MY FAULT.
UNLESS YOU GUYS WANNA HAVE A SPECIAL CALL? NO SIR.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[11. Public Hearing on a request by Jeremy Nelson, Westfall Engineering, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a Unified Lot Sign for a Child Daycare Center within a General (GR) zoning district located at 1328 and 1332 Brown Street (Property ID(s): 295112 and 295113) Owner(s): Buffalo Creek Plaza LLC (ZDC-23-2026)]
11.PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY JEREMY NELSON WESTFALL ENGINEERING FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A UNIFIED LOT SIGN FOR A CHILD DAYCARE CENTER WITHIN A GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 1 3 2 8 AND 1 3 3 2 BROWN STREET PROPERTY ISS 2 9 5 1 1 2 AND 2 9 5 1 1 3.
OWNER BUFFALO CREEK PLAZA, L-L-C-Z-D-C DASH 23 DASH 2026.
ON GOOD EVENING COMMISSION, UH, ZDC DASH 23 DASH 2026, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN APPROVAL OF A SUP SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A UNIFIED LOT SIGN FOR A CHILD DAYCARE USE, WHICH IS THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE LOCATED AT 1328 AND 1332 BROWN STREET.
THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE IS PROPOSING TO BE DEVELOPED ON 1328 BROWN STREET AND THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE UNIFIED LOT SIGN IS LOCATED AT 1332 BROWN STREET.
HOWEVER, THE SIGN IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ALONG INDIAN DRIVE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND WHILE THE CHILD DAYCARE USE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT, A UNIFIED LOT SIGN REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE FRONTAGE ALONG BROWN STREET.
THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED UNIFIED LOT SIGN SERVES AS A SIGN FOR BOTH 1328 AND 1332 BROWN STREET.
THE PROPOSED UNIFIED LOT SIGN COMPLIES WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF STONE AND STUCCO COM COMPLIMENTING THE LEARNING EXPERIENCES.
PROPOSED MATERIALS, THE APPLICANT, UH, IS REQUESTING A COUPLE OF DEVIATIONS FROM THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE.
ONE IS TO INCREASE THE WALL SIGN ALLOWANCE BY DOUBLE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE.
SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE IS 115 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TWO SIGNS AND ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE LOCATED AT THE COLUMNS.
ONE WALL SIGN IS ONE WALL SIGN OF 115 SQUARE FOOT IS LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS ALONG BROWN STREET AND THE OTHER IS ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH FACES EAST.
THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE ON THE COLUMN WILL BE LOCATED AT THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.
ANOTHER DEVIATION THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING IS DECREASING THE MINIMUM GLAZING REQUIREMENT OF 30% TO THE PERCENTAGE LISTED, UM, WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND, UM, STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT EXCEEDING THE WALL SIGN ALLOWANCE CONTINGENT ON THE APPLICANT MEETING THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR GLAZING.
UH, STAFF SEND OUT A LETTER TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
WE RECEIVE FOUR LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, UM, OF THE SUBJECT, SORRY, OF THE SGP APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE HERE.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU JUST TO BE CLEAR ON STAFF SUPPORT.
YOU SAID THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TWO DEVIATIONS.
ONE IS THE WALL SIGN ALLOWANCE CORRECT.
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BY DOUBLE CORRECT.AND TO DECREASE THE MINIMUM GLAZING.
UH, THAT INCLUDES YOUR, UH, WINDOWS AND, UM, ANY TYPE OF ESSENTIALLY WINDOWS, TRANSOM WINDOWS, ANY TYPE OF WINDOWS.
HOWEVER, STAFF IS ONLY SUPPORTING THIS IF THEY'RE ONLY SUPPORTING THE WALL, THE WALL SIGN ALLOWANCE DEVIATION IF THEY MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIRED FOR REQUIREMENT FOR GLAZING.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT, UM, THEY ARE NOT MEETING THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF 30% OF GLAZING ON ANY OF THE ELEVATIONS, UH, ON THE BUILDING.
THE STAFF'S INTENT IS, UH, STAFF'S, UH, THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT THE BUILDING WILL STAY
SO THEREFORE, UH, IF THEY WERE TO MEET THE MINIMUM GLAZING, THEN UM, THEN WE WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF EXCEEDING THE WALL SIGN, UM, REQUIREMENTS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, THE SIGN IS GOING TO BE ON INDIAN DRIVE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE MAP THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY BETWEEN THIS LOCATION IN INDIAN DRIVE.
SO WHERE IS THE SIGN GONNA BE THAT IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT ON INDIAN DRIVE? SO, UM, SO BROWN STREET DOES NOT, UH, SO BOTH PROPERTIES DO NOT HAVE ACCESS OFF OF BROWN STREET.
AND SO THIS IS WHERE, UH, THE DAYCARE WILL BE.
AND THIS IS LIKE THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE LOT, THE UNIFIED LOT SIGN.
SO WHOEVER COMES IN AT THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER CORRECT.
THEY'LL BE THE OTHER PERSON ON THE SIGN? CORRECT.
I'M SORRY I'M A LITTLE SLOW TONIGHT, APPARENTLY.
AND THIS IS THE, UM, THE SIGNAGE FOR IT FOR THE UNIFIED LOG SIGN.
I WAS THINKING THAT THE DAYCARE BUILDING WAS GONNA HAVE ANOTHER SUITE IN IT.
AND ON, EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE GLAZING AND THE ISSUE.
I'VE NEVER EVEN HEARD SOMEONE REQUEST LIKE A LIGHTER PERCENTAGE, BUT SO, UM, PER OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, WE REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 30% GLAZING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE PROVIDES NATURAL SUNLIGHT, ALL THAT, UM, ALL THAT JAZZ.
AND, UM, WITH, I GUESS WITH PREVIOUS, UM, DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME IN, THEY PROBABLY ADDRESS IT THROUGH A PD AS PART OF ONE OF THEIR STANDARDS.
HOWEVER, AFTER WHILE I WAS REVIEWING THIS, THE DEVIATION IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGE.
UM, THAT'S WHY STAFF WAS, UM, A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
UH, STAFF DID RECOMMEND THE USE OF SPANDREL CLASS, UM, CONCERNING THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CHILD SAFETY AND YOU KNOW, WITH BROWN STREETE BEING ONE OF THE THOROUGHFARE, UH, ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THAT, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC BECOMES AN ISSUE AND POSSIBLY ON INDIAN DRIVE AS WELL.
AND SO YEAH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.
A IS THE APPLICANT HERE, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YES, GOOD EVENING.
UH, I'M JEREMY NELSON WITH WESTFALL ENGINEERING 8 0 5 DOVE CREEK PARK, MIDLOTHIAN, TEXAS.
UH, AS THE STAFF'S SO GRACIOUSLY STATED, WE ARE HEARING TONIGHT FOR THE REQUEST FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE SUP.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE TWO DEVIATIONS THAT ANN MENTIONED.
UH, ONE IS THE INCREASE IN WALL SIGNAGE AND THE OTHER THAT WE ARE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT NOW IS THE DECREASE IN THE GLAZING AMOUNT.
AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT DECREASE HAS PRIMARILY TO DO WITH SECURITY AND PRIVACY OF THE FACILITY.
SO THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE IS SIX WEEKS TO SIX YEARS OLD, SMALL CHILDREN.
AND WE DO LIVE IN A PRECARIOUS TIME WITH CELL PHONES AND OTHER WAYS OF TAKING VIDEO, UH, OF ANYBODY REALLY, CERTAINLY HERE TONIGHT, NOT THE EXCEPTION.
UH, SO THE WINDOWS AND SOLID WALLS IN THE BUILDING ARE PLACED IN SUCH A WAY WHERE THEY KIND OF HIDE SENSITIVE AREAS, WHETHER THEY BE CHANGING TABLES OR BATHROOMS OR ANY KIND OF DOORWAYS LIKE THAT.
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UNDERSTAND THE STAFF'S CONCERN WITH AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING BUILDING AND THE GENERAL RETAIL ZONING REQUIREMENT.IF THIS IS A TYPICAL COMMERCIAL BUILDING, UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT THAT LIGHT AND YOU WANT TO CREATE THAT AIRY FEEL, BUT WITH THIS KIND OF PRODUCT, YOU DON'T TYPICALLY SEE AS MUCH GLAZING AS YOU WOULD ON LIKE A STOREFRONT FOR A RETAILER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL TO THE COUNSEL, UH, OF THE TWO DEVIATIONS AS STATED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
UH, FOR REFERENCE, SHE, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN FRONTAGE OF THIS IS THE EAST SIDE DOES KIND OF FACE THE CREEK AREA, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UH, THE NORTH SIDE ALONG INDIAN DRIVE IS, IS ROUGHLY 17.6, BUT THERE WILL BE A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE THAT WRAPS AROUND THE MIDDLE OF THE NORTH SIDE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SIDE ON INDIAN DRIVE.
UH, AND, AND NEARLY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SOUTH SIDE THAT'S ABUTTING THE, UH, OTHER BUILDING TO THE SOUTH THERE.
SO, UH, WE WILL, EVEN IF YOU DID HAVE SOME GLAZING IN THOSE AREAS, THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE VISIBLE.
UH, WE DO FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING AESTHETICALLY MEETS THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE GLASS AMOUNTS AS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO SUPPORT THE SECURITY AND PRIVACY OF THE CHILDREN AND KIND OF MEET THE STANDARDS FOR WHAT THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE DOES.
IT'S A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED CHAIN.
THERE'S 450 ACROSS 35 STATES, UH, ALL OVER THE US AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, I LIVE JUST DOWN THE ROAD.
WE KNOW THE DEVELOPMENT HERE IN, IN ELLIS COUNTY IS, IS, UH,
UH, I FEEL LIKE THIS PRODUCT WOULD SUPPORT FAMILIES THAT NEED AFTERSCHOOL CARE OR EARLY HIGH, EARLY CHILDHOOD CARE.
UH, WELL WITH ALL OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AROUND HERE.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE ME TO ADDRESS, AS YOU NOTED THE SIGN THAT THAT SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW THAT LOT, UH, IN FRONT OF THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME FRONTAGE ON THAT SIGN AND GIVE THEM, UH, SOMETHING RIGHT AT THAT ENTRANCE THAT KIND OF DRAWS PEOPLE IN.
SO IN THE, THE OTHER SIGN ON THE BACK, SO YOU GOT ONE ON, UH, BROWN STREET THAT WILL FACE THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE ONE, UH, ON, ON THE MAIN ENTRY, YOU KNOW, WILL KIND OF JUST BE TO PROVIDE THAT AS YOU DRIVE UP TO IT, UH, BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND IDENTIFY IT.
BUT, UH, YES, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LEMME KNOW.
TRENTON, OR ON, CAN YOU PLEASE PUT BACK UP THE LIST OF, UM, DEVIATIONS THAT THEY REQUESTED? SO IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, MR. NELSON, I THINK, UM, THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS THE FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE STANDARD.
UM, AND YOU SAID THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A SECURITY WALL.
THERE IS A, IF YOU GO TO THE SITE PLAN, MAYBE, MAYBE A LITTLE EASIER TO, UM, LET'S SEE, CAN I GO UP HERE AND POINT OF COURSE.
UH, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE OBVIOUSLY WITH SCALE HERE, BUT THERE, THERE WILL BE A PERIMETER PRIVACY FENCE THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY KINDS RIGHT HERE ON THAT SIDE.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES.
SO TRENTON IS THE 30% MINIMUM, IS THAT A WAXAHATCHEE STANDARD? YES MA'AM.
SO YEAH, THAT IS A STANDARD IN WAXAHATCHEE, UM, USED FOR ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL.
SO I'LL ASSUME OF THOSE OTHER 450 SEMI ODD FACILITIES THAT YOU HAVE ACROSS THE STATES, YOU HAVEN'T RUN INTO AN ISSUE.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE, BUT I KNOW THIS IS THEIR TYPICAL DESIGN, THE WAY THAT THEY LIKE TO HAVE THE WALLS.
THEY HAVE BLOCK OUT WALLS, YOU KNOW, OPAQUE WALL IF A SOLID WALL IN FRONT OF DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ARE SENSITIVE TO CHILDREN BEING CHANGED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, WE, THEY HAVE NOT HAD MAY, THEY MAY HAVE HAD THAT.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN EVERYONE OBVIOUSLY, BUT UM, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVEN'T HISTORICALLY HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, MR. NELSON, JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON THAT.
I KNOW YOU SAID YOU HAVEN'T BUILT ALL OF THEM.
HAVE YOU BUILT, IS THAT THE STANDARD IN THE INDUSTRY, LIKE ENGINEERING WISE? DID THEY COME IN AND GENERALLY ASK FOR THAT FOR SAFETY?
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UH, THAT'S GENERALLY WHY THEY DO THAT.IF THEY, IF THEY COME TO MUNICIPALITY WHERE THAT IS THE STANDARD, THEY WOULD FOR CERTAINLY REQUEST THAT.
UM, WHEN WAX ISD IS BUILDING A SCHOOL, DO WE REQUIRE THE 30% GLAZING ON THOSE? SO MOST OF THE SCHOOLS THAT COME IN ARE DESIGNED THROUGH A PD MM-HMM
UM, ALSO WHEN A SCHOOL IS BEING DEVELOPED.
SO WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING BUILDINGS OR BUILDING, WE'RE LOOKING AT LONG TERM, WHO'S THE NEXT USER.
HOW'S THIS BUILDING REUSED? GENERALLY THE SCHOOLS, THEY'RE THE USERS.
LONG TERM IT'S FOR A SCHOOL, UM, GENERALLY DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE HANDS TOO OFTEN TO ANOTHER USER OR ANOTHER USE.
SO IS THIS GLAZING SITUATION A ONE AND DONE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, JUST THROW IT OUT THERE, BE ADDRESSED BY THE NEXT OWNER? I I, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT 'CAUSE USUALLY GLAZINGS WINDOWS AND STRUCTURALLY HOW YOU DESIGN THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE IMPACTED WHERE YOU PUT THE WINDOWS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE NEXT USER TO COME IN AND, UM, THE CITY REQUIRE THEM TO PUT ADDITIONAL WINDOWS IN.
IT COULD HAVE STRUCTURAL ISSUES, A WHOLE VARIETY OF THINGS.
SO I WOULD DUNNO IF I'D RECOMMEND THOSE TYPE OF MODIFICATIONS.
IS THERE A WAY TO DESIGN IT SO THAT IT IS CLOSER TO THE 30% GLAZING BUT THERE ARE SOME PRIVACY, UM, LIKE PRIVACY GLASS, LIKE FROSTED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PUT IN? POTENTIALLY, YEAH.
IS THERE A THRESHOLD THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD BE, UM, AMENABLE TO WILLING IT TO BRING IT DOWN TO, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING WHAT WE WE HAVE HERE, IS THERE A REDUCTION, LIKE A STANDARD KIND OF DEVIATION FROM THAT YOU WOULD BE MORE AMENABLE TO, OR THE STAFF? UM, I, GO AHEAD.
OH, TR OTHER, UH, CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS IN THE CITY, IS THIS AN ISSUE IN THE, IN THE PAST? UM, HONESTLY, OR WHAT KIND OF, A LOT OF CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS THAT WE'VE HAD ARE REUSE MM-HMM
THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT THEY'VE REVITALIZED.
THIS IS A, A GROUND UP NEW BUILT AND, AND DIFFERENT ZONING REGULATIONS.
UM, SO I, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
IF IT'S A CURRENT ISSUE WITH OTHER DAYCARES, UM, IT'S, IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO PROBABLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME ARCHITE HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL PLANS TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS, DIFFERENT REGULATIONS, DIFFERENT AREAS.
I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY HAD COME UP BEFORE.
ON YOU MENTIONED, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
COULD YOU RECAP SPAN GLASS AND IN THIS INSTANCE, TRANSOM WINDOWS CAN ALSO COUNT TOWARDS THE GLAZING REQUIREMENTS.
AND WITH SPANDREL GLASS IT PROVIDES PRIVACY AND IT JUST GIVES THE LOOK OF GLASS AND TRENTON, MAY I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? IS YOUR RESERVATION THAT IT'S ONE DAY, NOT A DAYCARE CENTER? AND THEN IS THAT YOUR MAIN RESERVATION? YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE ALWAYS, AS PLANNERS UNDERSTOOD, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING IN THE FUTURE.
SO YEAH, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE I ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE I AS A PARENT UNDERSTAND THE, THE PRIVACY, I, I THINK, I THINK I WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR LESS THAN 30, BUT MORE THAN THIS, MAYBE KNOW 20% ACROSS THE WHOLE BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'VE ONLY GOT THAT ON ONE SIDE AT THIS POINT.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING, THERE'S NOTHING IN, UM, WHERE THE REGULATION THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T HAVE THE PRIVACY GLASS RIGHT TURN? CORRECT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I, I DO LIKE THAT JENNY.
AND MAY I ASK, LIKE WITH THAT PERCENTAGE, ISN'T IT GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DARK
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INSIDE TO, TO, TO GIVE YOU ELIMINATION.UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, YES.
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE AN ISSUE.
BUT, UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF AND AND THE COMMISSION COULD SUPPORT IS THAT, CAN WE REC DO A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL TO THE COUNCIL WITH THAT CONDITION AND MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THAT? CAN THAT BE SPOKEN INTO IT TONIGHT? YEAH.
PNZ WOULD'VE THE FLEXIBILITY TO PUT WHATEVER CONDITIONS THEY WOULD LIKE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE REQUEST.
AND IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES OF WHAT HE HAD JUST MENTIONED, YOU'RE ABLE TO, WE JUST NEED MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR IN THE CONDITION.
I THINK 20% WOULD BE, WOULD HELP US OUT TO, TO GIVE US WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE IT WORK.
AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION COULD SUPPORT, THEN WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE FOR THAT FOR SURE.
AND I WANNA BE CLEAR, I UNDERSTAND LIKE, YOU KNOW, ON THAT SOUTH ELEVATION, IF YOU CAN'T GET IT UP TO 20%, BUT ANOTHER SIDE IS 25 PER, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE JUST 20% OVERALL, NOT 20%.
SO AN AVERAGE IS WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
AGAIN, I'M NOT VERY BRIGHT TONIGHT.
YES, YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING GREAT.
SO EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE TIRED.
SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I JUST WANNA MAKE, SO THE POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE APPROVAL OF THE SUP AS A RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH THE CONDITION THAT WE PROVIDE AN AVERAGE OF 20% GLAZING AROUND THE BUILDING.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE ZERO, UH, PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR ZDC DASH 23 DASH 2026.
THEREFORE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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A MOTION.ALL RIGHT, LET ME MAKE SURE I CAN SAY IT CORRECTLY.
I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZDC DASH 23 DASH 2026 FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OF A UNIFIED LOT SIGNED USE FOR A CHILD DAYCARE CENTER SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT.
AND, UH, ENSURING THAT AN AVERAGE OF 20% GLAZING IS INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN AS A CONDITION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OR CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY.
IS THAT RIGHT? SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
WE WILL NOW HAVE STAFF COMMENTS.
RE UH, YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS FOR HANGING OUT WITH ME AT A JOINT WORKSHOP.
UM, WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS IN THE NEXT, UH, COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE BRINGING THEM ALL AT ONCE OR WE WILL SPACE 'EM OUT.
WE'LL REVIEW AND MAKE THAT DECISION AT A LATER TIME.
BUT APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR, UH YEAH.
I JUST APPRECIATE, UH, TRENTON FOR THE PRESENTATION, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.
VERY ENLIGHTENING AND I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK COMMISSIONER SIMPSON? UH, YEAH, KIND OF THE SAME THING.
JUST THANKS FOR PUTTING ALL THIS TOGETHER, UH, WHILE ALSO BEING SHORT STAFFED VICE CHAIR.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JUST CONTINUING TO EDUCATE US AND, UM, MAKING SURE THAT, THAT WE KNOW EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR OUR CITY.
AND, UH, JUST REALLY ENJOYED THE, THE WORKSHOP THIS AFTERNOON.
I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT DRONES THAT I DIDN'T KNOW.
UM, I APPRECIATE MR. NELSON COMING TONIGHT TO EXPLAIN GLAZING AND ON YOUR GL.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW THERE.
UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT CAME TONIGHT.
UM, THEY LEFT ALREADY, BUT, AND ALSO MISS KATHY IS, UH, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SPEAK YOUR VOICE AND TO SEND THESE LETTERS BECAUSE I NEVER WOULD'VE DROVE PAST THAT HOUSE IF SOMEONE HAD NOT NOTICED MENTIONED IT.
AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO, UM, BE HERE AND BE PRESENT AND, UH, LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD.
OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GOING OFF OUR OWN OPINIONS AND SO THAT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED AND I ENCOURAGE THOSE FOLKS TO ALSO SHOW UP FOR CITY COUNCIL.
WELL, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, UH, ADD ANYTHING ONCE YOU GET DOWN THE LINE BEING LAST
UH, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND EVERYTHING AND I AGREE WITH EVERY ONE OF 'EM.
AND, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
AND THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR ATTENDANCE ON THIS EVENING.
AND, UM, IT IS AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE THE CITY AND THE CITIZEN OF WAXAHATCHEE.