* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. YEAH. [00:00:05] ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY READY? OKAY. OOH. [1. Call to Order] ALL RIGHT. LET'S CALL THE TUESDAY, APRIL 15TH, PLANNING AND ZONING, COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. EVERYONE WILL PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION. FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE OFFER THANKS THIS EVENING FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL SPRING DAY THAT WE ENJOYED. AND FATHER, HELP US TO BE MINDFUL OF ALL OF THE MANY BLESSINGS THAT WE ENJOY. FATHER, PLEASE BE WITH US AND GUIDE US THIS EVENING AS WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT OUR FELLOW CITIZENS. FATHER, PLEASE FORGIVE US WHEN WE FALL SHORT. IN YOUR SON'S NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. AMEN. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE WE GET TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AND WELCOME OUR NEWEST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBER TERRY CONNOR. TERRY IS FILLING THE, UH, UNEXPIRED TERM OF, UH, OF JEFF REED. SO, TERRY, WELCOME. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC, SEEING NO ONE, WE [4. Consent Agenda] WILL PROCEED TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH ARE ALL MATTERS, WHICH THE COMMISSION DEEMS ARE ROUTINE IN NATURE, AND WHICH CAN BE ENACTED IN ONE MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE. WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFFED. SECOND, WE. MOTION IS SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. UH, NEXT ITEM LISTED. UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC HEARING REQUEST BY TIM JACKSON, TEXAS REALTY. CAPTURING SURVEYING HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. SO WE WILL [7. Public Hearing on a request by Steven Chambers & Cheryl Chambers for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for an Accessory Structure exceeding seven hundred (700) square feet, use within a Single Family-3 (SF-3) zoning district located at 711 College Street (Property ID 172399) – Owner: Steven Chambers & Cheryl Chambers (ZDC-27-2025)] PROCEED TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY STEVEN CHAMBERS AND CHERYL CHAMBERS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE EXCEEDING 700 SQUARE FEET USED WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY THREE ZONING DISTRICT, LOCATED AT SEVEN 11 COLLEGE STREET. PROPERTY ID 1 7 2 3 9 9. OWNER STEVEN CHAMBERS AND CHERYL CHAMBERS, ZDC DASH 27 DASH 2025 HARPER. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS SEAT 700 SQUARE FEET, LOCATED AT SEVEN 11 SOUTH COLLEGE STREET. THE CURRENT ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING OF THREE, AND THE EXISTING USE IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE ACREAGE IS GONNA BE 0.344, AND AS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE, IT'S 2,490 SQUARE FEET. THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE BY THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 1975 SQUARE FEET FOR A STORAGE OF VEHICLES. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO EXTEND A 15 FOOT CONCRETE DRIVEWAY FROM THE EXISTING GRAVEL TO THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO NOT REPLACE THE EXISTING GRAVEL. NO WATER OR ELECTRICAL SERVICES WILL ALSO BE EXTENDED TO THIS STRUCTURE. AND YOUR PACKET TONIGHT, STAFF HAS PROVIDED A SITE PLAN AND SOME ELEVATION PLANS. STAFF HAS RECEIVED ZERO LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND ZERO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FOR THIS PROPOSED SUP. IN YOUR PACKET, STAFF HAS PRESENTED A RECOMMENDATION MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HARPER. YOU WANNA HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? STAFF? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE, SO THE GRAVEL FROM THE, THE ROAD INTO THIS ADDITIONAL CONCRETE IS STILL GRAVEL. SO OFF OF THE STREET IT'S GRAVEL? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND WHERE DOES IT, MAYBE I DIDN'T LOOK CLOSELY ENOUGH. WHERE DOES IT PICK UP BEING THE NEW CONCRETE? SO IT HAS NOT BEEN PLACED QUITE YET, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. OKAY. IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. OKAY. YES, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS, CITY CENTER. MY NAME IS MICHAEL EVANS. I LIVE AT 1305 BRICK HARBOR DRIVE IN MANSFIELD. UM, AND I'M, I'M THE APPLICANT REGISTER PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYOR. AND TO MY LEFT ARE STEVEN, CHERYL, CHERYL CHAMBERS HERE ARE THE OWNERS. SO THE, UM, UH, WHAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, IS YOU CAN SEE BY THE SITE PLAN IS TO EXTEND THE, UM, THE DRIVEWAY 30 FEET TO THE POINT WHERE THE GRAVEL BEGINS. THE GRAVEL'S BEEN IN PLACE, WE KNOW FOR SURE SINCE ABOUT 1972. AND, UH, AND, UH, SO AT THAT POINT, IT JOINS THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY AND GOES ON, UH, TO THE STREET. NOT ONLY IS THAT GRAVEL, DRIVEWAY, GRAVEL, BUT THE GRAVE, BUT THE DRIVEWAY, UH, GOING INTO, UH, THE BUILT ON, BUILT IN GARAGE, UH, IS ALSO GRAVEL. SO, UM, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY HAS TWO CONCRETE RUNNERS, ONE ON EACH SIDE. SO THAT'S, AS I SAID, BEEN IN PLACE SINCE ABOUT 1972. THE ONES FURTHER TOWARDS THE BACK, UH, UH, YEAH, THE RUNNERS ARE TOWARDS THE BACK. YOU SEE THE RUNNERS AND YOU CAN, UH, THEY'RE RUNNING THE, UM, THE MOUSE OVER, OVER BOTH SIDES OF THE RUNNERS. OH, OKAY. SO, AND THEN, AND THEN THERE'S THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY RUNS, UH, LAYS TO THE EAST OF, AND GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO, [00:05:01] TO WHERE, UH, THE TERMINUS, THE NORTHERN TERMINUS OF THE NEW CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, UM, WILL BE, WILL BE PLACED. THE IS, IS THAT ALLEY PASSABLE? YES, IT IS. YES. IS THERE AN ENTRANCE FROM THAT ALLEY? THERE IS, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S ALONG THE BACK LINE OF THE, UH, LOT IS A CHAIN LINK FENCE CURRENTLY, AND IT STOPS SHORT OF THE, OF THE EAST PROPERTY LINE. AND, AND SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET, UM, ACCESS TO, TO THE LOT FROM THAT POINT RIGHT THERE. OKAY. BUT FROM THE PORTICO, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY GONNA DO AN ENTRANCE THAT GOES INTO THE ALLEY? NO. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. NOT A FORMAL ENTRANCE, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS ACCESSIBLE THERE AND WILL BE ACCESSIBLE THERE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. UH, THIS IS TO STORE AUTOMOBILES, BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE A GARAGE ON THE HOUSE. STEVE, DO YOU WANT TO? IT'S MORE OF A STORAGE FOR MY FISHING STUFF AND MY HUNTING STUFF. I DON'T INTEND TO PUT, UH, VEHICLES IN THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COVERED CARPORT OUTSIDE THE, ON MY BOAT. GOTCHA. AND THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE IN THERE. OKAY. AND IT'S OPEN, SO IT'S NOT INCLUDED. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? THANKS, SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU ALL. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SO YOU KNOW WHEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? [8. Consider recommendation of ZDC-27-2025] IF NOT, CHAIR, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MAKE I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZDC DASH TWO 15 DASH 2024. A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE EXCEEDING 700 SQUARE FEET, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE, OF THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OR CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM, [9. Public Hearing on a request by Alfredo Rojas for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for an Accessory Dwelling Unit (ADU) use within a Single Family-2 (SF-2) zoning district located at 303 McKenzie Street (Property ID 172575) – Owner: Alfredo Rojas (ZDC-34- 2025)] PUBLIC HEARING ON REQUEST BY ALFREDO ROJAS. FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY DRILLING UNIT USED WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY TWO ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED 3 0 3 MCKENZIE STREET PROPERTY ID 1 7 2 5 7 5. OWNER ALFREDO ROJAS, ZDC DASH 34 DASH 2025 HARPER. THANK YOU. ZDC 34 20 25 SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN A DU ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT LOCATED AT 3 0 3 MCKENZIE STREET. THE CURRENT ZONING IS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING OF TWO. THE EXISTING USE IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE ACREAGE IT SITS ON IS 0.1794. THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS 1,587 SQUARE FEET, AND THE PROPOSED A DU STRUCTURE IS APPROXIMATELY 630 SQUARE FEET. THE A DU CURRENTLY EXISTS AND WAS NOT PERMITTED BEFORE. CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT MEET THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. SITE PLAN DOES NOT IDENTIFY THE CORRECT SIZE OR SHAPE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THE INTENDED USE FROM THE APPLICANT IS HIS FATHER. IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT, STAFF HAS PROVIDED YOU PHOTOS OF THE A DU EXTERIOR MADE OF WOOD SIDING IN THE INTERIOR, ALONG WITH A SITE PLAN AS WELL. STAFF HAS RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FOR THE PROPOSED SUP, ALONG WITH AN ADDITIONAL SUPPORT LETTER THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU AFTER STAFF REPORT WAS POSTED. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL. THANK YOU. HARPER, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IS IS IT BEING USED AT, I NOTICE THE, UH, OPPOSITION SAYS IT'S BEING USED AS A RENT HOUSE. IS IT BEING USED AS A RENTAL? UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT. UH, I WILL SAY THAT DURING THE TIME OF REVIEW CODE WAS SENT OUT TO THE PROPERTY TO BE GIVEN A CITATION AND WAS ANSWERED BY A TENANT LIVING IN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UM, WHO WAS NOT THE HOMEOWNER. UM, BUT THE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY UNDER A HOMESTEAD. OKAY. SO HE JUST STARTED BUILDING IT? YES, SIR. [00:10:02] AND WE DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING THAT HE BUILT IS UP TO CODE. IT IS NOT ME, ANY OF OUR STANDARD ZONING OF WAX STATUE'S, CODE ORDINANCE, BUT BUILDING CODE TOO. YES. AND IT'S ENCROACHING ON A OUTSIDE SETBACK? YES, SIR. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, YOU, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE SETBACK. UH, HOW FAR OVER ARE WE ON THAT? YES. UM, SO LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, IT DIDN'T MATCH WHAT WAS ALSO BEING SEEN AND SHOWN. UM, SO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE COMPLIANCE IS FIVE FEET. AND APPROXIMATELY FROM WHAT IT SHOWED FROM OUR MAP, IT'S ABOUT TWO TO THREE FEET. OKAY. AND, UH, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY'S NOT HERE. YES, THEY ARE HERE. OH, IS THEY ARE HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH, WE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS. . YEAH. THANK YOU HARPER. HARPER. MAY I ASK JUST CLARIFICATION PURPOSES? SO WHEN THEY, WHEN SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY WENT OUT THERE AND WENT TO THE MAIN DWELLING, SOMEBODY ANSWERED AND IT WAS, AND ARE THEY A TENANT AND NOT THE HOMEOWNER? YES, SIR. AND IT'S STILL LISTED AS HOMESTEADED EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE A RENTAL UNIT? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. AND, AND, AND YOU COULD TELL THAT SOMEONE WAS LIVING IN THAT UNIT, NOT THE MAIN HOUSE, BUT THE, THE ADD-ON UNIT? NO, SIR, I HAVE NOT BEEN INSIDE OF IT. UM, ONLY CODE ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. AND, UH, THE PICTURES THAT THE APPLICANT HAD SUPPLIED, OKAY. YES, SIR. OKAY. YES, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY, PLEASE? YEAH, 3 0 3 MCKENZIE, UH, WEST IG, TEXAS. AND YOU ARE? I'M ALFREDO ROJAS, THE OWNER. OKAY. THANK, UH, YES. SO AT ONE POINT I WAS, I BOUGHT IT IN 2020. AT ONE POINT I WAS LIVING THERE, AND THEN I'M CURRENTLY A TEACHER AT DUNCANVILLE. SO THE PEOPLE THAT I'M, I GUESS THEY'RE STAYING THERE FOR NOW. THEY'RE KIND OF SECOND FAMILY, BUT, UH, THEY'RE NOT, YEAH. WHILE I'M NOT THERE, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS, BUT, UH, YES, I HAD BILLED A SHED AND THEN THAT WAS PERMITTED AND I WAS A LITTLE UNSURE ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF, BUT I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT THERE IS FIVE FEET FROM THE BACK AND FIVE FEET FROM THE SIDE. THAT'S IF YOU, WELL, FROM WHAT I'VE MEASURED, UM, AND WE CAN VERIFY THAT. UM, BUT YEAH, NO ONES I'VE LIVED THERE AND, UM, SO I'M A MEDIA TEACHER, SO IN MY BRAIN, I'LL, MY INTENTIONS WERE, UH, TO USE IT FOR ME OR, YOU KNOW, MY MOM 76, MY DAD'S 77, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THE, THAT WAS MY, MY MINDSET, BUT IT, NO ONE'S LIVED THERE. I HAVEN'T EVEN GOT TO USE IT. IT'S, UM, I DID HIT PERMIT FOR THE SHED, BUT THEN YEAH, I DID NOT GET THE RIGHT PERMITTING FOR THE, YOU KNOW, TO ADD THE OTHER STUFF. IF, IF YOU GOT A PERMIT FOR A SHED, SURELY YOU KNEW YOU HAD TO GET A PERMIT EXACTLY. TO HAVE SOMEONE LIVE IN IT. RIGHT. AND NOW I WANT, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY SOME OF THESE THINGS I'M LEARNING AS I GO. LIKE I DID, UH, IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. AND, AND MAINLY, AND WHAT I MEAN IS, UH, SOME OF THESE THINGS WERE NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY THINK OR THE CITY, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S NO EXCUSE. BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. WE SIT HERE EVERY OTHER WEEK AND STA IN THE FACES OF A LOT OF CONTRACTORS AND INVESTORS, REAL ESTATE PEOPLE WHO GO GET PERMITS. WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO CREATE ORDINANCES, LAWS, HAVE A BUILDING, YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THAT. HOW DO WE SAY YES TO YOU? AND WE TELL THEM NO WHEN THEY'RE OUTTA LINE. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, SO WE SAY YES TO YOU. AND I'M, I'M SAYING WE, SO I SAY YES TO YOU. WELL THEN HOW DO I ENFORCE THE NEXT ONE? RIGHT? SO, YEAH. AND, AND I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YEAH, AS A CONTRACTOR OR FORMER CONTRACTOR IN THIS COMMUNITY MYSELF, AND THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR THAT. ZERO. UM, I'M SORRY, I JUST, I, I DON'T GET IT. WELL, HERE IS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WHEN YOU LIVE IN THE CITY AND YOU HAVE THE INSPECTORS, THEN SOMEDAY YOU SELL THAT HOUSE, WHOEVER BUYS THAT HOUSE HAS SOME CONFIDENCE BECAUSE THE CITY INSPECTED THE ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING AND ALL THOSE TYPE THINGS. AND NOW WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN DONE. RIGHT. OR NOT. I MEAN, IT MAY BE A HUNDRED PERCENT GREAT, BUT NO ONE HAS, NO ONE KNOWS. RIGHT. THAT'S KIND OF THE DILEMMA, RIGHT? YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID, UH, THERE'S A FEW TIMES, [00:15:01] I MEAN, AFTER THE SHED WAS DONE, 'CAUSE SHED, THE SHED WAS LIKE AROUND 22. UM, THAT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WITH THE PEOPLE THAT HAD HELPED ME, THAT ONCE I HAD THE FIRST ONE, I DIDN'T HAVE TO GO AND GET, LET ME GET ELECTRICAL, LET ME GET, AND 'CAUSE NOW THAT I LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, THE $400 OR $500, LIKE THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW? BUT, BUT YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? BLESS CHAIRMAN. YES, SIR. UM, MR. ROJAS, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? UM, FOR THE MOST PART, I'M IN DUNCANVILLE, WHERE I'M BACK AND FORTH. UM, HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY LIVING AT 3 0 3 MCKENZIE STREET? MAYBE HALF THE YEAR. OKAY. AND YOU RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, YOU'RE CLAIMING A HOMESTEAD, WHICH IS, THAT'S YOUR PRIMARY PUR UH, PRIMARY RESIDENCE. RIGHT. AND BY CLAIMING A HOMESTEAD, YOU'RE ASSERTING TO THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND VARIOUS TAXING AUTHORITIES THAT, UM, YOU QUALIFY FOR TAX BREAKS AS A HOMESTEAD. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT, THAT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE COME UP HERE, WHETHER IT'S FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS OR SIMILAR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT, IS SOMEBODY CLAIMING, UH, A STATUS THAT ARGUABLY THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR, WHICH TAKES AWAY FROM THE REVENUE THAT THE CITY AND COUNTY, UM, UH, RELY UPON. SO I DON'T HAVE A VOTE IN THIS. I'M THE COUNCIL LIAISON. UM, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO RECONSIDER, UNLESS YOU'RE LIVING THERE AND QUALIFY AS A HOMESTEAD FOR A HOMESTEAD THAT, UM, YOU TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. YEAH. AND I WANT TO CLARIFY WITH YOU, AND, AND MAINLY WHAT IT WAS, IS I WAS GONNA GET MARRIED AT ONE POINT, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY, AND THEN THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT, BUT I MEAN, I WAS THERE. UM, BUT THEN, BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GO TELL HIM, HEY, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE MOST OF THE TIME, BUT I'LL DO THAT. BUT IT'S MAINLY THAT IT WASN'T, LIKE I SAID, ON PURPOSE. OH YEAH. LET ME KEEP CLAIMING MY HOMESTEAD AND YEAH. YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT. THE ONLY PROBLEM MR. ROJAS, IS IT SEEMS TO BE EVERYBODY ELSE'S FAULT, BUT YOURSELF THAT YOU DIDN'T CHECK INTO THIS STUFF. RIGHT. AND I KNOW IF IT GOES TO COUNSEL COUNSEL'S GONNA PICK UP ON THAT AS WELL. SO JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU MAY WANNA GET YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW. YEAH. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, NOW THAT YOU SAID THAT, SO I NEED, I NEEDED TO TELL 'EM THAT, HEY, I'M NOT HERE FULL TIME ANYMORE, AND THEN TO TAKE IT OFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PROCESS. MM-HMM . ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE. THE PUBLIC HEARING CHAIR [10. Consider recommendation of ZDC-34-2025] WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF ZDC DASH 34 DASH 2025. A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT USE. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? I RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM [11. Public Hearing on a request by Richard Shinpaugh, Ellis County Bail Bonds, to consider revoking a Specific Use Permit (Ordinance 3495) which allows for the use of a Bail Bond Agency located at 216 South Jackson Street (Property ID 170438) – Owner: Richard Shinpaugh (ZDC-35-2025)] IS PUBLIC HEARING ON REQUEST BY RICHARD SHEPA ELLIS COUNTY BELL BONDS TO CONSIDER REVOKING OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE USE OF A BAIL BOND AGENCY LOCATED TWO 16 SOUTH JACKSON STREET. PROPERTY ID 1 7 0 4 3 8. OWNER, RICHARD SHEPA, ZDC DASH 35 DASH 2025. ON GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS ZDC DASH 35 DASH 2025 THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REVOKE HIS SUP FOR A BAIL BOND AGENCY USE THAT WAS APPROVED ON MAY 20TH, 2024 FOR TWO 16 SOUTH JACKSON STREET. THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST IS THAT THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS MR. SHIN PAUL DECIDED TO STAY AT HIS CURRENT LOCATION AT 1 0 4 NORTH JACKSON AND APPLIED FOR A NEW SUP FOR A BAIL BOND AGENCY. USED AND WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR. UH, STAFF SENT OUT A TOTAL OF 21 NOTICES WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER, AND WE RECEIVE NO LETTERS IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR THIS REQUEST. STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, HONOR. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF? NO. THANKS. HAN THE APPLICANT HERE? [00:20:02] YES SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS? CITY SECRETARY. IT'S RICK SHIN PILE. 7 0 3 EAST MARVIN WAXAHATCHEE. SO YOU'RE GONNA STAY WHERE YOU'RE AT, WHERE YOU GOT THE NEW ONE? YES, SIR. OKAY. YES, SIR. UH, WE PUT A HOLD ON BUILDING A NEW BUILDING, WHICH THIS SUP WAS FAR, SO I, YEP, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND WITHDRAW IT. JUST STATE MY CURRENT LOCATION. OKAY. IN THE EVENT THAT YOU DECIDE TO BUILD, WOULD YOU EVER MOVE BACK ON UP THERE? NO SIR. YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONTENT WHERE YOU ARE? I'M CONTENT WHERE I'M AT, . ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? NO. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CHAIR AND RETAIN [12. Consider recommendation of ZDC-35-2025] A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZDC 35 20 25 REVOKING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ORDINANCE 34 95 FOR THE USE OF A BAIL BOND AGENCY. AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT [13. Public Hearing on a request by Ben Williams, QuikTrip South, LLC for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a Convenience Store & Gasoline Sales uses within a Light Industrial-1 zoning district located east of 1000 Solon Road (Property ID 291997) - Owner: Round Top Assets, LLC (ZDC-17-2025)] ITEM, PUBLIC HEARING ON REQUEST BY BEN WILLIAMS. QUICK TRIP SOUTH LLC FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR CONVENIENCE STORE AND GASOLINE SALES USE WITHIN A LOT INDUSTRIAL. ONE ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED 1000 SOLAND ROAD PROPERTY ID 2 9 1 9 9 7. OWNER ROUND TOP ASSETS AT L-L-C-Z-D-C DASH 17 DASH 2025 ON. SO ONE THING TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS ON THE STAFF REPORT THAT INCLUDES, UH, T-E-R-D-T-R WDS APPROVAL FOR THEIR EASEMENT TO CROSS ENCROACH INTO THEIR EASEMENT. HOWEVER, I'VE, UH, PRINTED OUT, UM, RECEIVED IT RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING PRINTED OUT AND LEFT IT AT YOUR RESPECTIVE SPACES. SO, UH, I'LL GET INTO IT. OKAY. ZDC DASH 17 DASH 2 0 2 5. THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS QUICKTRIP QT, IS REQUESTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR CONVENIENCE STORE AND GASOLINE CELLS WITHIN THE LI TWO ZONING DISTRICT. PER THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE, A SUP IS REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR BOTH USES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 6.32 ACRES LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF I 35 E AND MARSHALL ROAD. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF A PRIMARY STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 5,100 SQUARE FEET AND A FUEL CANOPY WITH EIGHT DUAL-SIDED GAS PUMPS TOTALING 16 NOZZLES. QT PLANS TO OPERATE 24 HOURS A DAY EVERY DAY WITH, UH, BETWEEN TWO TO 10 EMPLOYEES AT ANY GIVEN TIME. QT HAS NOTED THAT THIS SITE WILL NOT ACCOMMODATE 18 WHEELERS AND HAS PROVIDED ONE SET OF ELEVATIONS TO INCLUDE TWO STONE ACCENTS AND ONE WITH EFIS ACCENT OPTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS. SUP QT IS EXCEEDING THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY PROVIDING 58 SPACES WHERE THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 29. AND QT HAS MET THE MINIMUM LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN INDICATION THAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO PRESERVE ANY OF THE EXISTING TREES ON THE PROPERTY. QT IS PROPOSING TWO MONUMENT SIGNS, ONE AT EACH LOCATION, ONE ON MARSHALL ROAD, AND ONE ON I 35 E SERVICE ROAD AND A POLE SIGN OF 65 FEET TALL. NONE OF THE PROPOSED SIGNS, WELL MONUMENT SIGNS AND POLE SIGN COMPLY WITH THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE. THE PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGNS EXCEED THE ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 80 SQUARE FEET AND THE PROPOSED ONE LOCATED ALONG 35 SERVICE ROAD IS ENCROACHING INTO A UTILITY EASEMENT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AT THE TIME THAT THEY PLA THIS, UH, PROPERTY. REGARDING THE POLE SIGN, THEY ARE PROPOSING 65 FEET IN HEIGHT WITH PART OF THE BASE ENCROACHING INTO THE CITY'S WATERLINE EASEMENT ALONG MARSHALL ROAD. UH, QT IS REQUESTING EXCEPTIONS FROM THE CITY CODES SHOULD THIS SUP BE APPROVED. STAFF IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THESE, UM, EXCEPTIONS. ONE IS TO ALLOW A POLE SIGN OF 65 FEET IN HEIGHT, LOCATED 10 FEET FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE AND ENCROACHING INTO A REQUIRED UTILITY EASEMENT. THESE ZONING ORDINANCE CALLS FOR POLE SIGNS OVER 25 FEET IN HEIGHT TO BE A MINIMUM OF 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, PLUS ONE FOOT FOR EACH SIGN EXCEEDING ONE, UH, 25 FEET. SO ESSENTIALLY 65 FOOT POLE. IT NEEDS [00:25:01] TO BE SETBACK 65 FEET ALSO, UM, TO ELIMINATE SETBACK RESTRICTIONS FOR MONUMENT SIGNS AND TO ALLOW TWO MONUMENT SIGNS OF 89 SQUARE FEET. AND THE LAST EXCEPTION IS TO ALLOW LESS THAN REQUIRED GLAZING AND WINDOWS OF 30%. STAFF HAS SEVERAL CONCERNS REGARDING UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, SEDIMENTATION SITE DESIGN, ELEVATIONS, AND SIGNAGE WITH THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE. QT WILL NEED TO EXTEND SEWER FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CROSSING TRWD AND ENCORE'S EASEMENTS. UM, IN ADDITION, THEIR DRIVE IS ENCROACHING ONTO ENCORE EASEMENT. UM, QT HAS NOT SUBMITTED APPROVAL LETTER FROM ENCORE. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT COULD CHANGE IF APPROVAL IS NOT RECEIVED. ADDITIONALLY, THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS SIGNIFICANT SEDIMENTATION ISSUE FROM THE EXISTING CONCRETE BATCH PLANT THAT IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. QT PROPOSED TO TO PLANT CANOPY TREES TO MITIGATE THIS ISSUE. HOWEVER, STAFF RECOMMENDS A MASONRY SCREENING WALL OR A PHYSICAL BARRIER LIKE A BERM. AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ONE OF THE PRIME INTERSECTIONS LEADING INTO THE CITY. AND THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS DO NOT OFFER AN ENHANCED BUILDING DESIGN FROM QTS. MOST RECENTLY APPROVED LOCATION ON BROWN STREET AND 2 87 STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED POLE SIGN AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM, AGAIN, THEY ARE PROPOSING A 65 FOOT POLE SIGN. HOWEVER, STAFF WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF A MONUMENT SIGN OF 30 FEET BECAUSE WELL, ONE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR BROWN STREET AND 2 87. ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE TOPOGRAPHY IS PRETTY CONSISTENT AND, UM, FOR AT LEAST A MILE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, ALSO CONSUMERS LOOK ON THEIR PHONES TO, YOU KNOW, GET TO THE LOCATION VERSUS A HUGE POLE SIGN. SO, UM, THERE'S THAT. AND ALSO STAFF IS STAFF WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, THE APPLICANT REMOVING THE PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN LOCATED AT THEIR I 35 SERVICE ROAD ENTRANCE TO AVOID A CLUSTER OF SIGNAGE. AND LASTLY, THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED DO NOT CONTAIN ALL INFORMATION AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 7 0 1 7 0.01 OF THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE. ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE REQUIRED PER SITE PLAN, UH, APPLICATION. SO IN CONCLUSION, STAFF DE STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED SUP DUE TO MULTIPLE CONCERNS AND LACK OF SUBMITTAL OF PERTINENT DOCUMENTS FOR STAFF TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE THE SGPS REQUEST. ALSO, IF ENCORE DOES NOT GRANT, UH, QT PERMISSION TO UTILIZE THEIR UTILIZE OR ACCESS THEIR EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE THE REDESIGNING OF THE SITE COULD CHANGE, UH, IN COMPARISON TO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TODAY. UM, HOWEVER, SHOULD YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS SUP REQUEST, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CONDITIONS AS LISTED ON THE STAFF REPORT STAFF SEND OUT EIGHT NOTICES AND RECEIVE NO LETTERS IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF THIS REQUEST. AND STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANKS ANNE. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I DO. HI, ANNE. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, GOOD. SO WHEN YOU PROVIDED THIS FEEDBACK TO, UH, THE APPLICANT, DID YOU GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEEDED, UH, TO DO A PROPERTY EV VOW OR IS THIS AS CURRENT AS WHAT YOU, THIS IS CURRENT AS OF TODAY, OR AT LEAST THE, UH, THIS POSTING OF THE AGENDA PACKET. HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU COME INTO, I GUESS, OVER YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHERE IT ALMOST KIND OF FEELS LIKE TO ME, AND FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, THAT THIS COULD THIS BE A TIMING ISSUE? WOULD, I MEAN, I, I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANNA GET TRWD ON BOARD. SO TRWD IS ON BOARD AND THAT'S WHY THE APPROVAL LETTER IS THERE. OKAY. IT'S JUST ENCORE NOW THAT THEY'RE NEEDING. OKAY. ALSO, IT'S NOT JUST APPROVAL FROM ENCORE, IT'S ALSO DOCUMENTATION LIKE STAFF HAD MADE COMMENTS THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. YES. AND THAT WOULD AFFECT THE SITE PLAN PACKET THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RESUBMIT FOR STAFF TO FULLY REVIEW IT. THANKS. AND, AND IT MAY BE A TIME ISSUE ON THEIR END, UM, BUT I'LL DEFER TO THEM TO ANSWER. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANYONE ELSE? SO THE CITY IS NOT OPPOSED TO ANOTHER QT COMING IN. I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE GOT TWO. UM, THE CITY'S NOT OPPOSED TO THIS, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEM SUBMITTING [00:30:01] ALL DOCUMENTS. PERFECT. CORRECT. AND, AND AGREEING TO OUR LIMITATIONS OF THE SIGN. CORRECT. IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT TO THE POINT THAT WE NEED TO BE HERE. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAYING IT. WE NEED TO CLEAR THAT UP WITH CITY HALL WITH Y'ALL BEFORE IT COMES HERE BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE OUR HANDS ARE TIED. WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION. COULD THE APPLICANT COME UP? MM-HMM . NO. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THANKS, HONOR. YES SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. BEN WILLIAMS. UH, 42 17 FOXBOROUGH TRAIL. ARLINGTON, TEXAS. YOU GOT SOMETHING FOR US, SIR? YOU I DO, I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, A SITE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF LAUGHLIN DRIVE AND I 35. IT IS JUST UNDER 5,000 SQUARE FEET AND DOES HAVE 16 FUELING POSITIONS. SORRY, I DON'T KNOW. THERE WE GO. UM, WE WILL REQUIRE AN SUP AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, UH, FOR THE GASOLINE SALES AND, UH, HAVING LESS THAN 30% GLAZING, UH, REQUIREMENTS ON ALL BUILDING ELEVATIONS. UH, AND WE WERE REQUESTING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, UM, THAT WE WOULD BEGIN CONSTRUCTION WITHIN ONE YEAR OF T ROAD WORK, UH, COMPLETION. AND THEN, UH, THIS IS NO LONGER RELEVANT AS OWEN MENTIONED. UM, TRWD WE HAVE SUBMITTED AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE SUBMITTED ENCORE'S LETTER OF APPROVAL AS WELL TODAY. SO BOTH OF THOSE ARE, ARE, UH, IN Y'ALL'S HANDS NOW. UM, SINCE OUR LAST SUBMITTAL WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE DONE SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS AND WE'VE MADE A FEW SITE PLAN CHANGES PER CITY, UH, PER STAFF COMMENTS. UM, THE MONUMENT SIGN THAT IS LOCATED ON THE LAUGHLIN, UH, DRIVE THAT HAS BEEN SHIFTED OUT OF THAT SEWER EASEMENT. THE SEWER WAS REROUTED PER STAFF COMMENTS TO GO ON THAT HARD CORNER. UM, THE PREVIOUS MONUMENT SIGN ALONG THE FRONTAGE ON THE EAST SIDE OF OUR SITES, UM, HAS BEEN REMOVED. UM, AND WE REPLACED IT WITH CANOPY PRICERS ON THAT, UH, GAS CANOPY. AND THEN THE HIGH-RISE SIGN, UH, WE HAVE RELOCATED THAT FROM THE HARD CORNER. WE'VE PUT IT BY OUR DETENTION POND. UM, SO WE ARE NOW MEETING THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND IT'S NOT AS PROMINENT ON THAT HARD CORNER. UH, LANDSCAPING WE HAVE PROVIDED, UM, OF THE TOTAL TREES THAT REQUIRED WERE SIX, WE PROVIDED 14 TOTAL SHRUBS REQUIRED WAS 15. WE PROVIDED 192 GROUND COVER REQUIRED WAS 150 SQUARE FEET. AND WE'VE GOT GIVEN 416 SEASONAL COLOR REQUIRED WAS 20 SQUARE FEET AND WE'VE PROVIDED 60 SQUARE FEET OF THAT FOR THIS SITE. WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING A BUILDING DESIGN WITH THE, UH, THE BUILDING ELEMENTS, UM, AS LONG OR AS WELL AS CUSTOM SIGNAGE. THIS SLIDE IS JUST SHOWING OUR CUSTOM BUILDING. UM, NOTICE NO, NO TOWERS. UM, THERE ARE NO PILE LASTERS. UM, THERE'S NO, UM, MECHANICAL SCREEN ON THE TOP TO COVER THE ROOFTOP UNITS. UH, THIS NEXT SLIDE IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION. UM, SO ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING WE HAVE THE TOWERS WITH THE CORNICES, UH, WE HAVE THE STACKED STONE, UM, ELEMENTS AROUND THE PILE LESTERS ALONG THE FRONT AND THE REAR. UM, AND THEN WE'VE ADDED THE ADDITIONAL GLAZING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING. ONE OF OUR NEW PROJECTS IS GOING AROUND AND ADDING DOWN LIGHTING. UM, THIS WILL BE ONE OF OUR FIRST SITES IN THE STATES TO HAVE THIS NEW DOWN LIGHTING FOR SECURITY. THIS IS OUR STANDARD MONUMENT SIGN VERSUS THE CUSTOM MONUMENT SIGN THAT WE'VE PROVIDED. UH, THE MONUMENT SIGN, THE SIGNAGE AREA IS, UH, 49 SQUARE FEET AND THE TOTAL AREA IS 76 AND A HALF. CAN WE EXPECT THAT TO BE THE OPENING DAY PRICE FOR A GALLON OF GASOLINE ? UH, THIS DAY AND AGE, YOU NEVER KNOW. UH, THE HIGH RISE SIGN. WE HAVE ALSO ADDED THE STACK STONE ELEMENTS. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, I'M SORRY, LET'S SKIP IT AHEAD. UM, THESE ARE A COUPLE OF SLIDES OF WHAT THE SITE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND NOTICE THAT HIGH RISE WAS PULLED OFF OF THAT HARD CORNER. UM, ONE POINT OF CONTENTION HAS BEEN THE HIGH RISE AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, WE KINDA WANNA EXPLAIN HOW WE GET THERE, WHAT THE HEIGHT IS BASED ON. UH, SO WHAT WE DO IS HIRE A SIGN COMPANY. WE HAVE THEM HAVE, UH, LIFT UP A CRANE, UM, TO WHAT OUR DESIRED HEIGHT IS, ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT HEIGHTS. UM, AND THEN WE BASICALLY RIDE IT UP AND DOWN THE HIGHWAY BY OUR EXIT AND TAKE A BUNCH OF PICTURES AND VIDEOS AND SEE KIND OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT'S GONNA BE EFFECTIVE. UM, SO WE DID OUR SIGN RIDE. THIS IS THE VIEWPOINT LOOKING NORTHBOUND. [00:35:01] UM, AND THIS WAS, UH, ACTUALLY AT 75 FEET. WE HAVE SINCE DROPPED BASED ON THE SIGN RIDE. UM, THIS NEXT SLIDE IS, UH, SOUTHBOUND VIEWPOINT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE IN THIS, BUT OUR MAIN, OUR MAIN CONCERN AND THE NEED FOR THE HEIGHT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT TREE LINE. UM, THAT'S GONNA BE KIND OF, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY, LIKE RIGHT THERE. UM, THIS NEXT SLIDE IS OUR SITE LINE EXHIBITS PROVIDED BY AN ENGINEER. UM, THIS IS BASED ON A 65 FOOT HEIGHT. UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE VIEWPOINT IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE THE TEXT, BUT FROM OUR EXIT VIEWPOINTS, UH, THAT WOULD BE OUR VISIBILITY IN BLUE, JUST ABOVE THAT TREE LINE. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE REASON WE DROPPED IT DOWN. UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED THE EXTRA HEIGHT AS LONG AS IT'S VISIBLE. OUR POINT IN THE HEIGHT IS SO OUR DRIVERS CAN MAKE A SAFE EXIT AND, AND GET TO OUR SITE WITH HAVING A CROSS THE HIGHWAY. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WE'RE SEEKING SUP TO ALLOW FOR THE, UH, FUEL SALES AS WELL AS THE, UH, GLAZING REQUIREMENTS OR, UH, NOT MEETING THOSE GLAZING REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN WITH THE CONDITIONS, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR A ONE YEAR FROM THE COMPLETION OF TEXTILES ROAD WORK WITH ROAD WORK. AS WE ALL KNOW, THE TIMING IS CHANGED CONSTANTLY. UM, WE, WE'VE TALKED TO THE STAFF ABOUT, UM, A THREE YEAR CONDITION, WHICH I'M GLAD TO WORK WITH, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF OUR HANDS AS FAR AS TIMING. IF WE GET TO THREE YEARS IN TEXDOT DECIDED TO PUSH THIS PROJECT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, KIND OF PUTS US IN A HARD PLACE. RIGHT. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANKS SIR. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I DO. UM, I'M SORRY, YOU SAID YOUR NAME'S BEN? YES, MA'AM. UH, BEN. UM, UH, THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THE T-R-D-T-R-W-D APPROVAL. UM, AND THESE CONTINGENCIES THAT ARE ATTACHED WITH THIS APPROVAL, THAT'S WHAT'S COVERED THERE, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, THE, YEAH, THIS, THIS SAYS, UM, CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ATTACHED PLANS. SO WHAT'S HERE IS, WAS REPRESENTED THERE. YES, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S WITH THIS, YES MA'AM. AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING FROM TDOT IN THIS PACKAGE. UH, TDOT HAS NOT GIVEN US ANYTHING YET. SO WE ARE WORKING WITH TDOT, UH, BUT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN OFFICIAL APPROVAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BOTH HERE. YOU SAID THAT WE COULD HAVE ON ENCORE AND TRW ENCORE, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH TDOT. YES, MA'AM. YEAH, SO, AND THERE'S SOMETHING FROM ENCORE THAT WAS SENT TODAY AS WELL. OKAY. IF YOU DON'T MIND. I'M TOMMY VVI. I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT. WE'RE AT 1700 ALMA DRIVE, PLANO, TEXAS, UH, SUITE 3 75. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TRWD AND ENCORE TO GET APPROVALS WITH THEM. WE WENT THROUGH MANY ROUNDS OF REVISION. YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S A DELAY ISSUE. UH, TRWD ACTUALLY REQUIRED THAT WE POTHOLE, WHICH MEANS TO GO OUT AND ACTUALLY FIND OUT WHERE THE LOCATIONS OF THOSE LINES ARE, AREA WHERE THE LINES ARE WAS REALLY WET. AND SO WE STARTED THAT PROCESS RIGHT AFTER IT SNOWED AND IT STAYED WET FOR MONTHS AND WE FINALLY GOT A PERIOD WHERE IT WAS DRY ENOUGH THAT WE COULD GET THEM OUT THERE. GOT THAT INFORMATION AND GOT THAT APPROVAL IN TODAY AT ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK. ENCORE HAS SENT US THE ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS AN ACTUAL FILE DOCUMENT THAT THEY FILE WITH THE PROPERTY. SO IT IS ALL BUT APPROVED. WE'RE WAITING TO, WE GOT IT IN TODAY AS WELL. UM, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING AS FAST AS WE CAN TO TRY AND WORK THROUGH THESE STAFF COMMENTS TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO Y'ALL. BUT THAT DOCUMENT ACTUALLY HAS TO BE FILED IN, IN MY OPINION, THAT IS APPROVAL. WHEN THEY SEND US OVER THE DOCUMENTS, SAY, HEY, SIGN THIS, SEND IT BACK TO US AND WE'LL SIGN IT. ENCORE'S APPROVED IT SET. I CAN, I CAN TOTALLY APPRECIATE THAT. BUT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT IN OUR HANDS, WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT APPROVED. THAT'S ALL COMMISSIONER. THIS GOES TO COUNSEL. I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO HAVE BEEN FILED AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO COUNSEL AND COMMISSIONER. UH, WE DID RECEIVE THE AGREEMENT FROM ENCORE. IT WAS NOT EXECUTED, UH, MEANING IT HAS NOT BEEN YET SIGNED, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE NOT PROVIDED THAT YET. 'CAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A SIGNED AND RECORDED DOCUMENT THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT, UM, ENCORE HAS GIVEN THIS, HAVE GIVEN THESE PERMISSIONS. THEY AREN'T, THEY HAVE LAID AND EMAIL COMMUNICATION THAT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET THAT SIGNED AND EXECUTED. BUT AS OF THIS POINT, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT. IT HAS TO BE SIGNED BY BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND, AND ENCORE. SO, BUT WE'D EXPECT TO HAVE THAT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO. WE JUST LITERALLY GOT IT IN TODAY. AND THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF IS KIND OF POINTED OUT AS FAR AS SIGNAGE, HEIGHT, AND I UNDERSTAND AS MUCH AS I CAN, UH, UM, DRIVING AND TAKING PICTURES AND SPECIFICATIONS ON ALL THE REST OF THAT STUFF. BUT BASED ON WHAT WE DO IN THE CITY, IS THAT NOTHING THAT WE COULD KIND OF COME TO SOME COMMON GROUND ON. UH, IF I RECALL, THE SIGN CODE HERE ALLOWS FOR A 75 FOOT POLE SIGN. RIGHT? AND SO THE PROPOSAL IS A 65 FOOT, IT'S 65. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE'RE GOING ACTUALLY BELOW WHAT, WHAT'S WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. [00:40:01] BUT BECAUSE THIS IS AN SUP, IT IS OPEN FOR DEBATE. UM, I WILL SAY THE TECH DOTS PLANS THERE, WHILE THE AREA IS RELATIVELY FLAT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PLANNING ON IN THE FUTURE ELEVATING THE ROADWAY THERE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE, THE TALLER SIGN THERE IS THAT LAUGHLIN DRIVE WILL BE GOING UNDERNEATH AND 35 WILL BE GOING OVER. SO THE VISIBILITY COULD BE HAMPERED. THAT DESIGN IS EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY, SO IT'S LIKELY TO CHANGE WHO KNOWS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. AND QT DOESN'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE AN INVISIBLE STORE WHEN TXDOT DOES MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK Y'ALL. SO BEN, DURING YOUR PRESENTATION, I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT MOST OF THE DESIGN ELEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT STAFF HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT Y'ALL ARE NOW COMPLYING WITH. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? UH, YES SIR. YES SIR. SO I GUESS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS HOW DID IT JUST NOW GET TO WHERE YOU WOULD AGREE WITH STAFF? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND IT WOULD'VE MADE MUCH MORE SENSE FOR THEM TO HAVE, FOR YOU TO HAVE AGREED TO THAT AND THEN IN THEIR PRESENTATION TO US, ALL THOSE ISSUES WOULD'VE BEEN, WOULD'VE BEEN RESOLVED. AND THAT'S JUST ONE MORE, ONE LESS HURDLE THAT YOU WOULD'VE TO OVERCOME. UNDERSTOOD. SO, AND YOU KNOW, STAFF, I'M ASSUMING, ARE Y'ALL JUST NOW SEEING THIS TOO? OR HAVE Y'ALL HAD THIS UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE FINAL REVISIONS THAT THEY OKAY. ARE SHOWING THEIR POWERPOINT. OKAY. UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE RECEIVE THEM SOON. WE GIVE US TIME TO YEAH. SO REVIEW 'EM BEFORE COUNSEL ON MONDAY. UH, AND AND PART OF THAT IS, IS CONTRACTUAL DEADLINES, RIGHT? WE'RE THE WAY WE, WE DO OUR PROCESSES, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AS FAST AS WE CAN TO GET THROUGH ZONING WHILE WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT SELLER. UH, WE TRY NOT TO DO CLOSING UNTIL WE GET ZONED OR AT LEAST COMFORTABLE WITH ZONING. IF WE END UP PURCHASING A PROPERTY, WE CAN'T ZONE IT AFTERWARDS. WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THAT AND, YOU KNOW, KINDA TRYING TO GET THAT, GET RID OF THE LAND AT THAT POINT. UM, SO JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THAT SUBMITTAL PROCESS. SURE. UH, WE WENT THROUGH TWO ROUNDS OF GOING BACK AND FORTH. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST WITH THE TIMING OF TRYING TO GET IN HERE BEFORE WE GET TO CLOSING. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M SURE THE SELLER WANTS TO CLOSE, BUT I'M SURE THE SELLER, YOU KNOW, WILL AGREE TO WHATEVER CONTINUANCE THAT YOU MAY REQUEST. IT MAY COST YOU A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UH, SO, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, YOUR ARGUMENT ON THE SIGN, WHICH IS THE EXACT ARGUMENT THAT, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SAME OWNER OWNS ALL THREE OF THESE, OR THESE ARE CORPORATE STORES OR IT'S CORPORATE OR, OR, OR WHAT, BUT THAT WAS THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT WAS MADE ON, ON THE BROWN STREET AND YOU KNOW, Y'ALL AGREED TO LOWER THAT SIGN AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY THERE, IT'S PACKED. SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK LOWERING THIS SIGN FROM 65 TO WHATEVER STAFF RECOMMENDS IS GONNA IMPACT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SALES THERE. IT MAY, IT MAY APPEAR TO, EVERYBODY'S GONNA KNOW THAT THERE'S A, A QUICK TRIP THERE, YOU KNOW, IN ENOUGH TIME FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE THEIR EXIT. WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY IF I CAN, UH, WE'RE IN SURE IN THE CONVENIENCE BUSINESS, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT A DESTINATION, YOU KNOW, NO. IT IS GOING OUT TO, YOU KNOW, GETTING DRESSED UP TO GO TO QUICKTRIP. UM, SO OUR SIGNAGE IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. UM, STAFF IS CURRENTLY RECOMMENDING THAT WE, WE, UH, REDUCE THE HEIGHT TO 30 FEET. UM, AND IN THAT SIGHT LINE YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THOSE, THE TREE LINE THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR SITE IS 30 PLUS FEET TALL. SO IT'S FOR US TO DO A 30 FOOT SIGN. WE ARE JUST KIND OF BURYING THAT RIGHT BEHIND THAT TREE LINE. UM, SO THAT, THAT'S OUR, OUR MAIN CONCERN. AND, AND AS I UNDERSTAND WITH THE OTHER LOCATION THAT WAS RECENTLY OPENED, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A SCHOOL NEARBY WHERE IT'S VISIBLE, WHICH COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. YOU DON'T WANNA SEE THAT EVERY DAY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, FOOTBALL GAMES. UM, AND THIS IS MORE OF A INDUSTRIAL AREA WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A ROCK QUARRY. WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR, UH, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT NEXT IN, UH, RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY NEARBY. YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, CHANCES ARE BEFORE YOU MAY BREAK GROUND, SOMEBODY MAY BUY THE ADJOINING TRACK AND TEAR ALL THOSE TREES DOWN, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A TREE ISSUE. SO, BUT I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE FORMULAS. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE, I'LL JUST SAY I'D LIKE, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION TRYING TO CLOSE, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR THE STAFF TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND ALL THE CHANGES YOU PROPOSED TONIGHT AND GET THE CHECK, CHECK DONE SO THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT WE'RE NOT BEING FED STUFF [00:45:01] THAT MAYBE WILL, MAYBE WON'T, THEN IT'S GONNA GO COUNT AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL WHY DIDN'T THE COMMISSIONERS LOOK AT THIS? SO, UM, I GUESS THAT'S MY POSITION IS I JUST FEEL LIKE WE WERE GIVEN A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION LIKE RIGHT NOW AND STAFF HASN'T. AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE WE HAVE AS STAFF IS TO REALLY VALIDATE SOME OF IT. SO THAT'S KIND OF MY POSITION. UNDERSTOOD. I AGREE. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU SIR. YES, SIR. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? IF NOT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES SIR. WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT IT ON HOLD FOR TWO WEEKS? WELL, THAT WOULD GIVE STAFF TIME TO REVIEW IT AND, AND I THINK WE COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS, DON'T WE? MM-HMM . 25TH. YES. 29TH. SO I'LL BROACH THAT WITH THE APPLICANT, WHETHER THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO CONTINUE THIS TILL THE NEXT MEETING. WOULD THEY RATHER US VOTE ON IT TONIGHT? AND JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU SAID TWO WEEKS AND THAT WOULD BE PR UH, PNC, AGAIN, PNC TO US. AND CHAIRMAN, I WILL INTERJECT HERE AND NOTE, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME TO CONDUCT A PROPER REVIEW, GET THE AGENDA PUBLISHED FOR YOU AGAIN AND, AND TURN BACK AROUND, HOPEFULLY A PROJECT THAT HAS ADDRESSED ALL THESE CONCERNS, I THINK TWO WEEKS IS, IS, UH, OPTIMISTIC. SO, UH, I I WOULD RECOMMEND LOOKING FARTHER THAN TWO WEEKS, POTENTIALLY A MONTH OR, OR OR MORE, RIGHT. UM, WE DO HAVE A FIVE BUSINESS DAY REVIEW PERIOD, RIGHT? SO EVEN IF WE WERE TO RECEIVE A, A RESUBMITTAL TODAY, WE'RE, WE'RE UP AGAINST IT AS FAR AS PUBLISHING THE AGENDA, UM, FOR THE NEXT MEETING. SO THAT WOULD PUSH IT TO THE 11TH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVE A, A FEW ADDITIONAL UPCOMING MEETING DATES. UM, THE MAY 13TH MEETING IS UPCOMING ABOUT A MONTH FROM NOW. WE ALSO HAVE A MAY 27TH DATE. UM, EITHER OF THOSE ARE MORE FEASIBLE THAN TURNING AROUND FOR THE VERY NEXT P AND Z MEETING. YES SIR. IF I MAY, UH, CRAIG HONEYWELL, 1120 NORTH INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD, U TEXAS, UM, WITH BEN AND, AND TOMMY, I'M AN EMPLOYEE FOR QUICKTRIP. UM, PUSHING THIS PAST TWO WEEKS, UM, IS, IS QUITE A BIT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CONTRACTUAL SIDE. UM, WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO JUST, IF YOU GO PAST TWO WEEKS, WE'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO JUST SAY, HEY, CAN WE MAKE IT A CONDITION THAT WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN US TODAY IS GONNA BE WHAT, WHAT YOU GO WITH. UM, WE FEEL LIKE WITH ALL THE REVISIONS BEING DONE, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEK REVIEW, TWO WEEK EXTENSION, WE CAN GET BY WITH ON OUR CONTRACTS. UH, GOING MUCH PAST THAT AND HAVING A NOT A NOT A HARD TARGET DATE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR US. UM, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION IS COMING LATE AND WE, WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, WITH THE WEATHER AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WORKING THROUGH THE WATER DISTRICT WAS HARDER. UH, REROUTING THE SEWER IS REALLY WHAT DROVE A LOT OF THE, THE CHANGES. BY THE TIME YOU REROUTE THE SEWER, OUR SIGNS ARE FORCED TO BE PUSHED BACK. THAT'S WHAT ALLOWED US TO GO AHEAD AND JUST SCRAP ONE OF THEM COMPLETELY. MAKE THE OTHER ONE MUCH, MUCH, MUCH SMALLER TO COMPLY WITH THE COMMENTS. WITH THE HIGH-RISE SIGN AS WELL, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SEWER, WE'VE, WE'VE RELOCATED THE SEWER SO WE HAD MORE ROOM TO PUT THE HIGH RISE SIGN BACK THERE AS WELL. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE 65 AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, SOMEBODY MIGHT CUT DOWN THOSE TREES. UM, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY CUTS DOWN THOSE TREES AND WE HAVE A BETTER SIGHT LINE, WHEN I 30 FIVE'S BUILT, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WE WILL NOT BUILD A 65 FOOT DOLLAR SIGN. WE'RE ASKING FOR WHAT WE MAY NEED IN THE FUTURE TO GET IT ALL DONE AT ONCE. SO IF THIS DOES GET APPROVED AND THOSE TREES ARE STILL THERE, WE'RE NOT COMING BACK FOR A REVISION. IF THOSE TREES ARE CUT DOWN AND WE REDO THE SIGN, RIGHT, WHICH WE WOULD AFTER THE TDO ROADWAY IS DONE, UM, AND WE ONLY NEED A 30 FOOT SIGN, WE'LL SAVE THE MONEY AND BUILD A 30 FOOT SIGN. UH, THOSE ARE ONE OF OUR MOST EXPENSIVE PIECES ON ANY PROPERTY. UM, BUT MY REAL POINT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS AND EVERYTHING BEING READY, UH, TABLING FOR THAT, IT'S PRETTY EASY FOR US. GOING, GOING PAST THAT PUTS US IN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BIND, NOT HAVING A CLEAR TARGET DATE. YOU REALIZE THE ALTERNATIVE'S PROBABLY A NO THOUGH, RIGHT? SO YOUR CHOICE IS GIVE US MORE THAN TWO WEEKS OR YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET A NO. A DENIAL. WHAT? I CAN'T ANSWER FOR THE, MY, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT I MEAN THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE AND THE WAY IT'S READING, THAT'S WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE, I GUESS. HOW LONG OF A TIMELINE ARE ARE WE ASKING FOR THEN? I MEAN, IT'S GONNA, HE JUST ASKED YOU FOR A MONTH. FOR A MONTH. THE 13TH TWO WEEKS. YEAH. WE'RE, [00:50:01] WE'RE UP AGAINST CONTRACTUAL THINGS, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA KIND OF REALLY PREVENT THAT. ONE THING I WILL POINT OUT IS WE, WE STILL HAVE COMMENTS THAT AREN'T, WE AREN'T ABLE TO ADDRESS AND THAT IS KIND OF WHY THIS, THIS TIMELINE HAS, HAS BEEN RUSHED AND IT DOES SEEM RUSHED IS THIS HAS BEEN WORKING FOR A LONG TIME AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS WITH THE SEDIMENTATION AND THE RUNOFF BASICALLY FROM THE ROCK QUARRY, WE CAN'T BUILD A WALL, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH A COMMENT THAT LEGALLY WE CAN'T ADDRESS AND THAT IS CAUSING SOME OF OUR DELAYS. AND IT IS SOME OF WHAT HARDSHIP ON US IS NOT BY US, IT'S STATE LAW. WE CANNOT CHANGE THE RUNOFF OF A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND WE'RE BEING ASKED TO ADDRESS IT IN OUR BEST POSSIBLE SCENARIO, WHICH IS CAUSING SOME DELAY IN OUR PLAN REVISIONS. WE ARE VERY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FACT THAT IT IS A LITTLE BIT RUSHED HERE. UM, BUT IT, SOME OF IT IS TRYING TO CHASE THINGS THAT WE NECESS MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO DO. WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A WALL FOR YOU GUYS THERE AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. UM, THAT RUNOFF IS GONNA BE A BATTLE WE HAVE TO FIGHT AND WE LEGALLY CAN'T CHANGE THEIR DRAINAGE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT, PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, CHAIR, WE'LL [14. Consider recommendation of ZDC-17-2025] ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF CDC DASH 17 DASH 2025 SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR CONVENIENCE STORE AND GASOLINE SALES USE USAGE USES. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? NOPE. CHAIR WILL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF DENIAL, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. MOTION CARRIES FOUR THREE FOR DENIAL. NEXT ITEM IS [15. Public Hearing on a request by Joey Scott, Stephens Engineering, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a Self-Storage Facility use within a General Retail zoning district located at 51 Indian Drive (Property ID 295119) - Owner: Buffalo Creek Plaza, LLC (ZDC-231- 2024)] PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY JOEY SCOTT STEVENS, ENGINEERING FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR SELF STORAGE FACILITY USE WITHIN THE GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED 51 INDIAN DRIVE PROPERTY ID 2 9 5 1 1 9. OWNER BUFFALO CREEK PLAZA, L-C-Z-D-C DASH 2 31 DASH 2024 ON ZDC DASH 2 31 DASH 2024 THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SGP FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY USE WITHIN THE GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT. PER THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE AS SGP IS REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR THE USE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 3.13 ACRES LOCATED AT 51 INDIAN DRIVE. UM, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 97,800 SQUARE FEET WITH A TOTAL HEIGHT OF 46 FEET AND 10 AND A HALF INCHES TALL. THE PROPOSED FACILITY IS STAFFED OR PROPOSED TO BE STAFFED BY ONE EMPLOYEE DURING THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF 6:00 AM THROUGH 10:00 PM EVERY DAY. UH, THE PROS PROPOSED PROJECT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS PER CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A LIVE SCREENING ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND TO INCLUDE A COMBINATION OF CANOPY TREES AND ORNAMENTAL TREES, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AL ALTERNATIVE OF A SIX FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL. THAT'S REQUIRED FOR ALL PROPOSED NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS LOCATED ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT OR RESIDENTIAL USED PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TWO SETS OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS WITH THE SAME BUILDING DESIGN. HOWEVER, JUST WITH DIFFERENT COLORS. THE APPLICANT, UM, IS PROPOSING TO, UH, TO MOUNT SHIELDED WALL PACKS ON THE BUILDING ALONG WITH A 20 FOOT LIGHT POLE TO BE LOCATED AT THE PARKING LOT. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT MEETS THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING LIGHTING. HOWEVER, STAFF HAS ONE CONCERN THAT THE LIGHTING MAY CAUSE A GLARE ISSUE AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A SHIELD FOR EACH LIGHTING FIXTURES AT THE TIME OF THE BUILDING PERMIT TO PREVENT ANY GLARE ISSUES. STAFF SEND OUT A TOTAL OF 11 NOTICES, RECEIVE FIVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND NO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FOR THE REQUEST. SGP REQUESTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVE OF THE SUP REQUEST WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED ON THE STAFF REPORT. STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ON ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? NO. ON THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S GOING TO SERVE AS THE [00:55:01] SCREENING WALL THAT'S NOT COUNTED IN THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. RIGHT? IT IS COUNTED TOWARDS THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. HUH? SO THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING CORRECT. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE LETTING THEM, YOU BUILD A SCREENING WALL AS OPPOSED TO A MASONRY WALL? CORRECT. OKAY. ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THANKS ON, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY MATERIAL? UM, BRAD TIDWELL, 1 7 8, GEICO, CIRCLE, SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS. AND I AM THE DEVELOPER AND BUYER OF THE PROPERTY. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PRESENTATION FOR US OTHER THAN WHAT THE STAFF PROVIDES? UM, NO SIR. JUST THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I READ HER PACKAGE. UH, FIRST OF ALL, YOUR STAFF'S VERY EFFICIENT. UH, WE, WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF CITIES AND THEY, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF, UH, YOU KNOW, TELLING US WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND, AND THEN RESPONDING. SO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. BUT WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO A DEAL AT WAXAHATCHEE FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW AND BEEN REALLY LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT SITE. UH, UH, WE FINALLY, UH, HAVE FOUND THIS ONE AND, UH, AND WORKED WITH THE CITY AND I, I THINK IT'S WHAT WORKS BEST FOR US, UH, IN THIS AREA. UM, ALL I CAN TELL YOU, WHICH YOU PROBABLY GATHERED FROM THE PACKAGE, IS THAT WE ARE A DALLAS BASED DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. WE'VE FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON CLASS A CLIMATE CONTROLLED, UH, SELF STORAGE. UM, THIS WILL BE THE 20TH PROJECT THAT I'VE ACTUALLY DONE, SO BEEN DOING IT A WHILE. UH, SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY SPEND A LOT OF, UH, TIME AND ENERGY MAKING SURE WE FIND THE RIGHT LOCATIONS IN THE RIGHT, UH, GROWTH MARKETS. SO WE'RE, UH, JUST REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. SO THE SIGN PLAN, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO, UH, FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM BROWN STREET AND WHAT'S GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM INDIAN DRIVE. WELL, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE THE, WE'RE THE, WE'RE THE BACK PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT IN FRONT OF US AND WHEN, UM, BUT, UH, IT WILL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT WHERE OUR, OUR PROPERTY IS NOT AS VISIBLE AS, AS MAYBE A RETAIL USER WOULD WANT IT TO BE. BUT, UH, WE'RE A DESTINATION, UM, UNLIKE QUICKTRIP OR A DESTIN PROPERTY. SO, UH, PEOPLE FIND US WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR PHONES AND THE RENDERING YOU SEE HERE IS TRAVELING EASTBOUND ON INDIAN DRIVE. SO THAT'S THE ANGLE YOU'RE SEEING HERE. OKAY. SO TOWARD 2 87. TOWARDS 2 87, OKAY. BROWN. YES. THE LITTLE CANOPY THERE IS, IS FACING BROWN STREET? CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT. SO THIS SIDE IS FACING BROWN STREET, THIS SIDE WHERE MY CURSOR IS NOW IS ALONG INDIAN DRIVE. SO IN LOOKING AT, LET'S LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES LIKE OPTION TWO AND BLOW IT UP IF WE CAN. SO THE WINDOWS THERE BELOW STORAGE THAT THE WORD STORAGE, THAT'S ALL BRICK AROUND THERE? YES, SIR. WHERE STORAGE IS THOSE PANELS, WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT STUCCO? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN BACK BEHIND IS BRICK, THE GRAY HAS GOTTA BE BRICK BECAUSE THERE'S NO METAL HARDLY ANYWHERE, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES. THE AREA TO THE RIGHT, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. IS THERE, IS THERE ANY DOORS, METAL DOORS VISIBLE AT ALL FROM ANYWHERE? I BELIEVE. DO WE HAVE, UH, WHERE YOU CAN SEE SOME DOORS, THE DRIVE UP UNITS ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S, UH, FACING THE, UH, SO THEY WOULD BE THE ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY FACING THE CREEK? YES, SIR. I MEAN ON THE, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT TO WHERE THE TREE, UH, LINE IS DOWN THERE? YEAH. YEAH. I BELIEVE THERE'LL BE A TREE LINE AND THEN EVER HOW MUCH OUR SETBACKS ARE PLUS THE DRIVES. SO THIS, THIS WOULD BE THE SOUTH SOUTHWESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY HERE, UH, TAKEN A, FROM A LOOK OF THE SITE PLAN, WHERE MY CURSOR IS IS WHERE YOU'LL HAVE SOME OF THOSE DOORS, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. OKAY. THAT WILL BE VISIBLE TO NO ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD BE, THIS ELEVATION RIGHT HERE ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE IS FACING THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE WHERE THERE IS CURRENTLY NO OTHER DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. IS THERE AN OFFICE INSIDE? YES, THERE BELOW THE CANOPY THAT YOU SEE ON THE BELOW THE WORD STORAGE DOWN THERE WOULD BE AN OFFICE. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE, BUT THERE'LL BE OFFICE DOORS AND [01:00:01] YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, IT'LL JUST BE A, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL ONE MAN GLASS DOOR. YEAH, I, I GUESS KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M STILL STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE STORAGE ASPECT OF IT, BUT IT, AS CLOSE AS IT CAN RESEMBLES AN OFFICE YES, SIR. AN OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH YES, SIR, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TOWARDS, IS THAT VISUALLY YES, SIR. IT LOOKS LIKE AN OFFICE AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SIR BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE AS MUCH METAL, NO DOORS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND YES, SIR. AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOUR CITY, LIKE A LOT OF THE CITIES WE BUILD IN, THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE ARE PUSHED TO GO INTO HISTORICALLY, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITIES WANNA SEE, ESPECIALLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE SUBURBS THAT ARE GROWING. YES, SIR. THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, UH, OR ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS, IS THE LANDSCAPING. I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD MEET THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE WITHOUT US ALLOWING YOU A LANDSCAPE SCREENING AREA. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, AS A COMPROMISE TO US REQUIRING A MASONRY WALL. YES, SIR. OH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, , WE, UH, THE CITY TELLS US WHAT THEY WANNA SEE AND WE RESPOND WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE. SURE. SO IF, UH, IF MS. ON AND LANDSCAPE SCREENING WALL IS A GREAT IDEA. YEAH. I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO USE ALL OF THAT RIGHT. IN YOUR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH, AND I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT. I MEAN, I'LL, IF SHE TELLS ME, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANNA SEE. I MEAN OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S GOOD. YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH, YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH LAND THERE THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN REALLY LANDSCAPE IF, IF NO OTHER LOCATION THAN THE, THAN THE, THE SIDE THAT WOULD FACE BROWN STREET AND THE SIDE THAT WOULD FACE INDIAN DRIVE. JUST LANDSCAPE THE HECK OUTTA THAT. YES SIR. I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? WHICH ELEVATION COLOR DO YOU PREFER? UM, TO BE HONEST, I LIKE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. OPTION TWO. THE ONE I LIKE. YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE I PREFERRED AS WELL. THAT'S WHY WE WERE WANTING TO ALL SEE IF YOU LIKED ONE. WE WERE LIKE, UH, LET YOU GO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS SIDE? SEE NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AREN'T [16. Consider recommendation of ZDC-231-2024] ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZDC DASH 2 31 DASH 2024. A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY USE WITH ELEVATION. OPTION TWO, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT. AND CAN I ADD, UM, WITH THE CONDITION OF ADDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, YES. UM, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OR CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY. I SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIED. THAT IS THE LAST ITEM WE HAVE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. GRANT, [17. Discussion about Planning and Zoning Board Member City Tour on May 16, 2025] YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US ON A TOUR? UH, YES SIR. SO, UM, WE DO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE NEW COMMISSIONERS ON THE COMMISSION. UM, THROUGH THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS THAT COME TO YOU, THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, YOU'LL, YOU SEE A VAST VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT ON PAPER. UM, A LOT OF TIME IT'S HARD TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY VISUALIZE WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IN REAL LIFE ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED. UM, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TAKE, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE IN THE PAST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, AND I'VE DONE THIS IN OTHER PLACES, IS TAKE YOU ALL ON A TOUR OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS IN DIFFERENT CITIES. AND THE PURPOSE BEHIND THAT IS THAT YOU, YOU CAN SEE HOW THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN CONSTRUCTED, WHAT THEY ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE, WHAT CERTAIN DENSITIES LOOK LIKE, WHAT CERTAIN LOSS SIZES LOOK LIKE. UM, IT'LL ALLOW YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS. UM, ON THE 15TH OR ON THE 16TH, UM, WE'RE EXPECTING TO BE CLOSE TO ALL DAY MEET IN THE MORNING, UM, COME BACK LATER IN THE AFTERNOON, WE'LL PROVIDE YOU LUNCH. UM, BUT ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE VERIDIAN AND ARLINGTON. UM, THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'VE USED DENSITY, WHAT TYPE OF AMENITIES THEY HAVE, WHAT TYPE OF AMENITIES THEY HAVE, UM, USED, UM, FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND SO YOU CAN JUST GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON. AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANNA DO CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. DO THIS A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR, UM, TO BETTER, UM, PREPARE YOU AND EDUCATE YOU ON WHAT'S GOING ON. AND YOU CAN HELP BETTER VISUALIZE DEVELOPMENTS AS THEY COME IN. SO WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF GET, UH, THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, UM, ACCOUNT OF WHO CAN ATTEND THIS TOUR. IT'LL BE RIVETING. THAT IS, IT MAY, ARE YOU SAYING MAY 16TH? WHAT ARE THE DATES AGAIN? UM, FRIDAY, [01:05:01] MAY 16TH. OKAY, SO YOU'RE GONNA SEND US SOMETHING. WHAT WAS THAT, SIR? SO YOU'RE GONNA SEND US YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL SEND YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. WE JUST, UH, AND WE'LL SEND YOU AN EMAIL TO CONFIRM WHO CAN GO. UM, BUT YEAH, IF YOU CAN START LOOKING AT YOUR CALENDARS NOW, SEE IF YOU CAN BE AVAILABLE THAT DAY AND, UM, YEAH, IT'LL BE FUN TIMES . WE DID, WE HAD, I ACTUALLY THINK IT SOUNDS VERY FUN. WE HAD A GREAT TIME WHEN WE WENT TO MERIDIAN BEFORE IT WAS STILL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS STILL IN ITS EARLY STAGES AND SO IT WAS, IT WAS A GOOD DAY. YEAH. I WOULD BE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN SOME, AT SOME POINT, UM, IN SEEING SOME GREAT EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE, UM, INCORPORATED HISTORICAL BUILDINGS WITHIN SOME OF THESE MORE MODERN DEVELOPMENTS. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN, UH, START RESEARCHING THAT OF SOME GREAT EXAMPLES AND ON ONE OF OUR LATER TOURS WE CAN DEFINITELY PLAN TO DO THAT. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. ZACH, ANYTHING FOR US? JUST WANNA SAY WELCOME AGAIN TO TERRY. UH, IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU. JOHN, ANYTHING? NO SIR. CHIEF, I GUESS THE ONLY THING IS I JUST WISH THE GAS STATION WOULD'VE GONE FOR THE CONTINGENCY. I DID. I DO TOO. I THINK I DO TOO. I THINK WE COULD'VE WORKED THINGS OUT. I DID. WE WOULD'VE. YOU JUST HATE TO SOMEBODY TO PUSH YOU AT THE EDGE AND EXACTLY. I MEAN, TRIED TO LAY IT OUT AS PLAIN AND SIMPLE AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. YOU DID A GREAT JOB, CHAD. SO, UM, HAS ANYBODY GOT A KEVLAR VEST? I CAN WEAR , THOSE SUIT FOR YOU. WE'LL SURROUND YOU. DON'T WORRY. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A BIG TREE HITS YOUR GARAGE. ITS FOUR DAYS AGO AND UH, THE SUBURBAN UNDERNEATH THE GARAGE IS WHAT HELD IT UP. SO YOU COME IN HERE ALL CRANKY AND STUFF. NO, IN ALL HONESTY. UH, I, I AGREE. I MEAN, WE, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE HASTY DECISIONS, UM, IN, IN GOVERNMENTAL ISSUES. I'VE NEVER, AND AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE PERSONAL OFFENSE TO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, BUT GOVERNMENTS JUST DON'T MOVE FAST, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S FAST MOVING AND GOVERNMENT IS A REALLY BIG OXYMORON AND SO, UM, WE ALL NEED OUR TIME TO TAKE, WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS HERE, RIGHT? THE, AT LEAST THOSE OF US HERE AND, UH, WE SHOULDN'T BE PRESSURED INTO MAKING HASTY DECISIONS, UM, WHEN IT'S UNNECESSARY. MS. JOHN, ANYTHING FOR US? I JUST WANNA TELL THE LADIES ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU GUYS AT WORK. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IT CAN'T BE EASY ALL THE TIME, I IMAGINE. AND YOU JUST STAND THERE WITH GRACE AND YOU DO YOUR JOB AND YOU KNOW, KUDOS TO YOU GUYS. GREAT . I ONLY HAD SOME LONG ONES TO TONIGHT. YEAH, SOME BIG ONES. . THANKS ZACH. THANK YOU MARLENE. ANYTHING FOR US? I JUST WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY EASTER. WE THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JENNY. ANYTHING FOR US? NO. TERRY, WHAT'D YOU THINK? WELL, IT'S, IT'S A GO TAKE, A LEARNING EXPERIENCE. YOU COMING BACK INTO, I DO WANNA SAY THAT, UH, I THINK QUICKTRIP GOT REALLY UPSET BECAUSE WE HAD A RACETRACK CUP ON OUR TABLE. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY YOU DRINKING OUTTA IT. THEIR PRESENTATION. GET THIS FOR FREE. IF YOU BUY ENOUGH GAS, YOU GET A DRINK EVERY DAY. IF YOU'RE IN THERE, JUST AN EXIT DOWN. ISN'T THERE ANOTHER QUICK TRIP, JUST AN EXIT DOWN FROM THERE, UHHUH? YEAH, BUT IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE, BUT IT'S ON OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE FREEWAY, SO IT'S LIKE A 30 MINUTE. IT'S LIKE MAYBE THAT ISN'T A QUICK TRIP. I DIDN'T WANNA SAY BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA LOOK STUPID. IN ALL HONESTY, QUICK TRIPS ARE REALLY NICE STORIES. THEY YEAH, I LIKE THEM. ABSOLUTELY. I LIKE THEIR MOCK DOGS. THE DOWN LA THAT LOOKED REALLY, REALLY NICE. MM-HMM. YEAH. COUNCILMAN MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, CONGRESS HAD A 25 HOUR FILIBUSTER. YOU WANT ME TO START ALL? OH GOD, I'M ALL WILLING TO STAY AROUND. OH NO. RAISE SOME HANDS. I CALLING LORI, COME GET YOU. LORI MUST BE OUT OF TOWN IF HE WANTS TO SPEND 25 HOURS HERE. I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LORI 'CAUSE SHE MAYBE LISTENING. SHE'S PROBABLY WATCHING. THAT'S RIGHT. WATCH. I LOVE YOU HUN. HI, LORI. ALL RIGHT. WELL MARLENE IN TWO WEEKS, IT'S YOURS. OKAY? WE'LL BE GONE, OKAY? OH, OKAY. NO, YOU'RE GONNA DO GREAT. I'M QUICK. TRIP DOESN'T COME BACK. . YEAH. WHAT HAPPENS IF MARLENE DOESN'T SHOW UP? , Y'ALL GOING HOME? Y'ALL ARE GONNA FLIP A COIN. ALL WE'RE WELL, ENJOY YOUR TRIP. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.