Oct 15, 2024 Planning & Zoning

[1. Call to Order]

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PAUL, THE TUESDAY, OCTOBER 15TH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION.

FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY THAT WE'VE ENJOYED.

AND FATHER, HELP US TO BE MINDFUL OF ALL OF OUR MANY BLESSINGS.

FATHER, PLEASE BE WITH US THIS EVENING, GUIDE AND DIRECT US AS WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT OUR CITIZENS.

FATHER, PLEASE FORGIVE US WHEN WE FALL SHORT.

IN YOUR SON'S NAME, WE PRAY, AMEN.

[3. Public Comments]

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC, CAN DO SO NOW? YES, SIR.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY.

HELLO, MY NAME IS STEVEN VIRO, TWO 19 RANGE ROAD IN WAXAHATCHEE.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, START OFF BY SAYING THAT I LOVE THIS CITY.

UH, I, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY.

I'VE GOT FOUR KETOS OF MY OWN.

AND, UH, WE LOVE LOOKING AT WAXAHATCHEE WHENEVER IT COMES UP ON, ON THE, THE WEATHER AND THE NEWS.

WE ALWAYS GET MENTIONED.

WE GET A SHOUT OUT THERE FROM OUR NEWS STATIONS.

UH, IT'S JUST A, IT'S A REALLY WONDERFUL TOWN AND WE LIVE IN THE GARDEN VALLEY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, DEVELOPMENTS BOTH FROM A HOUSING STANDPOINT, ALSO FROM A MULTIFAMILY STANDPOINT, AND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE FUTURE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GONNA BE DEVELOPED THERE.

AND, UH, I'M, I JUST WANNA EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AND THE IMPACT THAT IT'S HAVING ON THE COMMUNITY.

UM, PRETTY FREQUENTLY I'M GOING TO HOWARD MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ALSO FELTY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON A DAILY BASIS.

AND I CAN JUST, UH, SPEAK FROM FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE THAT IS GETTING VERY CROWDED.

UH, THE ROADS ARE, UH, ARE JAM PACKED AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, AND THERE'S SOME CONCERN THERE FOR SOME OF OUR YOUNGER WAXAHATCHEE CITIZENS, UH, WHEN THEY'RE WALKING, UH, BOTH TO AND FROM SCHOOL AND ALSO TO THEIR, THEIR, THEIR FRIENDS' HOUSES.

UM, AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK THE, THE COMMISSION TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND STRATEGIC AND TO CONSIDER THE INPUT OF RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY AS WE LOOK TO BUILD OUT THOSE REMAINING PLOTS IN THAT AREA.

UH, BECAUSE IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE, AND I THINK IF WE PUT THE WRONG TYPE OF BUSINESS IN THAT AREA, IT CAN, IT CAN TOTALLY CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF, OF THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, UH, TO HEAR ME OUT.

THANKS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR.

NAME AND ADDRESS, CITY SECRETARY.

UH, MY NAME'S RAH MACHUKA.

I'M IN 1 0 7 VALLEY RANCH.

UM, I WANT TO JUST COSIGN HIS STATEMENT ABOUT THE GARDEN VALLEY COMMUNITY.

UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESS OR A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.

UM, AND, UH, JUST MOST RECENTLY, UH, THERE'S TALK ABOUT A SEVEN 11 IN THAT AREA.

AND, UH, WHAT THE DEVELOPER EXPRESSED IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS WAS THAT THE CITY HAD NO INTENT TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT COME WITH HAVING SUCH A BUSINESS IN THAT AREA.

AND SO IT'S, UH, IT'S ALARMING TO, TO KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS ARE NOT BEING CONSIDERED WHILE THE APPROVAL OF CERTAIN OF THOSE KIND OF BUSINESSES ARE, ARE BEING DISCUSSED.

SO I JUST ASK THAT, UH, THE CITY TAKES THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

I ALSO HAVE A CHILD THAT GOES TO HOWARD MIDDLE SCHOOL AS WELL, AND, UM, A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT AS WELL.

SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU GUYS REALLY LOOK INTO WHAT IS NEEDED TO DEVELOP THE AREA AND ADDING THE SAFEGUARDS FOR THESE CHILDREN THAT GO TO AND FROM SCHOOL.

UM, THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, AND I THINK THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO PROTECT THEM AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW.

SO I APPRECIATE THE, THE TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE? WE WILL CLOSE THE

[4. Reorganize the Commission]

THE COMMISSION NEED TO ELECT A, UH, CHAIRMAN AND A VICE CHAIRMAN THIS EVENING.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, OR WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, RICK KEELER AS CHAIRMAN OF THE OUR COMMISSION.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, NEXT, UH, IS, UH, NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIRMAN.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MARLENE NORCROSS AS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES.

WELCOME, ARLENE.

THANK YOU,

[5. Consent Agenda]

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ITEM IS THE, UH, MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH ARE

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MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL BY THE STAFF AND DISAPPROVED, UM, ITEMS OF THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES.

NEXT

[6. Continue Public Hearing on a request by Matthew Smith, Darwood Partners, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a Convenience Store and Gasoline Sales use within a General Retail (GR) zoning district located at the northwest corner of Broadhead Road and Garden Valley Parkway (Property ID 242234) – Owner: WP Legacy LTD (ZDC-139- 2024) Staff: Oanh Vu]

UH, NUMBER SIX IS THE CONTINUANCE OF A PUBLIC HEARING REQUEST BY MATTHEW SMITH, STARWOOD PARTNERS.

UH, THEY HAVE REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE UNTIL THE NOVEMBER 12TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, MEETING, UH, IF EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT OR DISAGREEMENT, UH,

[7. Consider recommendation of ZDC-139-2024]

SO MOVE.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO NOVEMBER 12TH.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

MOTION, CARRIE.

SO WE WILL SEE THEM ON NOVEMBER 12TH.

[8. Continue Public Hearing on a request by Katrina Aulson (formally Katrina Walker) & Patrick Aulson, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for an Accessory Structure exceeding onethousand (1,000) square feet in combined floor area for more than two (2) existing accessory structures use within a Single-Family Dwelling-1 (SF-1) zoning district located at 611 North Grand Avenue (Property ID 176844) – Owner(s): Katrina Walker (ZDC-180- 2023) Staff: Oanh Vu]

FORMERLY KATRINA WALKER AND PATRICKSON FOR PACIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE EXCEEDING 1000 SQUARE FEET IN COMBINED FLOOR AREA FOR MORE THAN TWO EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

USE WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.

NUMBER ONE ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED SIX 11 NORTH GRAND AVENUE PROPERTY ID 1 7 6 8 4 4 OWNERS, KATRINA WALKER, ZDC DASH 180 20 23 ON GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, CDC DASH 180 DASH 2023, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT EXCEEDS A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT IN COMBINED FLOOR AREAS FOR MORE THAN TWO STRUCTURES.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT SIX 11 NORTH GRAND AVENUE WITH A PRIMARY STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 2,918 SQUARE FEET AND AN EXISTING GARAGE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT OF 972 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN EXISTING UNUSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OF 396 SQUARE FEET.

THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS APPROXIMATELY 448 SQUARE FEET WITH A WOOD EXTERIOR UTILIZED FOR S RESTORING HOUSEHOLD ITEMS, TOOLS IN SMALLER LAWN EQUIPMENT.

THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WILL NOT HAVE ANY PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL, AND THE LOCATION IS TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE LOT.

THE APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED TO STAFF THAT THE STRUCTURE WILL NOT BE USED AS A DWELLING AND WILL NOT BE SEPARATELY METERED, SOLD OR LEASED FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE SGP REQUEST WITH THE CONDITION LISTED ON CONDITIONS LISTED ON THE STAFF REPORT AND STAFF IS HERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ALONG WITH THE APPLICANT.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? UH, I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW MANY ACRES IS THIS? DO YOU KNOW? RIGHT OFF? WE DO HAVE THAT UP HERE.

UM, IT, IT WAS OVER AN ACRE, 1.88 ACRES.

OKAY.

I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE THAN THAT.

REALLY, BECAUSE IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE RAILROAD TRACK, RIGHT? YES.

AND THEY RECENTLY REPLANTED, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR.

SO THAT'S THE TOTAL ACREAGE.

WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS? UM, JUST GREEN SPACE.

K LIKE, OH, YEAH.

UM, ON MM-HMM.

ON ONE OF THE PHOTOS I THOUGHT I SAW, UM, AN EXTERIOR LIGHT, BUT I THINK YOU SAID THERE WASN'T GONNA BE ANY ELECTRICITY ON THE FIELD.

THERE'S THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION THAT THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO ELABORATE ON.

BUT THIS IS A SAMPLE OF WHAT THEY'RE OH, AND MAYBE NOT THE ACTUAL, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WAS SENT TO STAFF AND, UM, WE, THE APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY ELECTRICAL, BUT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ELABORATE ON THAT.

THANK YOU.

AND THE, THE, THEIR GARAGE IS CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY, SO IT'S EXISTING AS AN, AS A DWELLING UNIT.

HOWEVER, I'M NOT TOO SURE IF THEY'RE UTILIZING IT AS A DWELLING UNIT.

THE APPLICANT CAN CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE USING AS A DWELLING UNIT.

IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE.

CORRECT.

IT'S A SEPARATE STRUCTURE ON THE RIGHT.

YEAH.

MM-HMM.

.

AND IS THAT TWO STORIES AT THAT TWO STORY BUILDING? YES.

UM, THE BOTTOM STORY IS THE GARAGE AND THEN OPEN SPACE FOR THE GARAGE.

AND THE TOP IS THE UNIT.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THANK YOU, HONOR.

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YES, SIR.

YOU MUST BE THE APPLICANT.

UM, I AM.

AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE.

UM, UP HERE? YES SIR.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY PATRICK OLSON.

A-U-L-S-O-N SIX 11 NORTH GRAND AVENUE, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, I AM NOT SURE HOW THIS DIDN'T GET COMMUNICATED, BUT WE DO PLAN TO HAVE ELECTRICAL IN THERE AND IT'S ALREADY WIRED.

THIS IS A BUILDING WE INTEND TO MOVE TO THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE CURRENT PLAN.

IF, UM, WE STILL HAVE TO WORK OUT GETTING IT MOVED, IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT.

BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S A 16 BY 28 FOOT SHED BASICALLY, WHICH WE'RE GONNA USE FOR STORAGE AND FOR, UM, MOWING AND LAWN EQUIPMENT AND THE OTHER STUFF.

AND THE ELECTRICAL IS FOR, IT'S ALREADY WIRED, ACTUALLY, IT'S BEEN BUILT BY A MASTER ELECTRICIAN.

AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA BRING WIRING, YOU KNOW, OUT TO IT FROM OUR METER.

AND YOU USE THE OTHER STRUCTURE AS A GARAGE? YES.

WITH STORAGE ABOVE IT.

OKAY.

YES.

AND IT'S STORAGE.

DOES THAT HAVE A UNIT ABOVE IT? YEAH, IT DOES.

IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT NOT A DWELLING UNIT, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT HABITABLE, IT'S JUST KIND OF STORAGE SPACE.

YEAH.

AT THIS POINT IT'S NOT, IT COULD BE IF WE DEVELOPED IT.

OKAY.

DO YOU KNOW THE EXACT ACREAGE THERE? ONE, 1.9 ACRES.

JUST 1.9? YEAH.

WELL, IT SURE LOOKS BIGGER.

IT FEELS IT WHEN YOU GET BACK OUT THERE AND YOU TRY TO MOW IT.

, I'LL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE AN ACRE, NOT HALF, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS, SO THAT'S WHERE THE RHINE LAWNMOWER'S GOING IN THERE.

EXACTLY.

THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

THAT AND A, AN AT, UH, AN ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE PLUS STORAGE.

WE NEED SOME MORE STORAGE.

SO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? NO.

THAT I HAVE ON GOOD STAFF.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WAS THERE ANY, UM, LETTERS OF OPPOSITION OR NO, NO LETTERS WERE SENT IN, WHETHER THEY'RE, THEY OPPOSE OR SUPPORT IT.

OKAY.

SO IT WILL BE BEHIND THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE? CORRECT.

UM, HEY ZACH, CAN YOU SCROLL TO THE SITE THAT IS THE LOCATION THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT IT AND IT MEETS THE SETBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

YES.

UM, IT NEEDS TO BE FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE.

WE WILL CLOSE

[9. Consider recommendation of ZDC-180-2023]

MR. CHAIR, I, I MOVE TO DENY THE REQUEST.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL.

IS THERE A SECOND? MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CDC 180 20 23.

A PACIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE EXCEEDING 1000 SQUARE FOOT IN COMBINATION FLOOR AREA FOR MORE THAN TWO EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

USE WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, SF ONE ZONING DISTRICT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OUR CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE ASSOCIATE DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY.

SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES SIX ONE

[10. Public Hearing on a request by Brad Yates, for a Replat of Lot 1, Block 23 of the Bullard’s Addition, to create Lots 1R & 3, Block 23 of the Bullard’s Addition, two (2) residential lots, being 0.324 acres, located at 708 S Rogers Street, (Property ID 172368) – Owner: Graily Holdings LLC (SUB-178-2024) Staff: Zack King]

TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS BEING 0.324 ACRES LOCATED 7 0 8 SOUTH ROGERS STREET.

PROPERTY ID 1 7 2 360 8.

OWNER GRAYLEY HOLDINGS, L-L-C-S-U 1 78 DASH 2024.

ZACH, YOU GOT THAT ONE? YES SIR.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.

AGENDA ITEM 10 FOR SU 1 78 DASH 2024 AS YOU NOTED, IS A REPLANT REQUEST FOR LOT ONE R AND THREE IN THE BULLARD'S EDITION.

AS A REMINDER, A RE PLAT IS SOMETHING REQUIRED BY THE WAXAHATCHEE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

IN THE INSTANCE WE HAVE A PLATTED LOT THAT IS BEING RECONFIGURED IN SOME WAY.

IN THIS INSTANCE, WE HAVE A SINGLE LOT THAT IS BEING DIVIDED INTO TWO LOTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY USE.

THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS A LITTLE UNDER A THIRD OF AN ACRE.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY INTO TWO LOTS THAT ARE

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BEFORE GOING INTO DETAIL ON THE REPL ITSELF, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE INFILL OVERLAY DISTRICT IN WAXAHATCHEE.

THIS INFILL OVERLAY DISTRICT IS SOMETHING THAT COVERS THE CORE OF WAXAHATCHEE BETWEEN I 35 AND 2 87.

IT'S ESTABLISHED TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF VACANT TRACKS WITHIN THAT DOWNTOWN CORE TO MAKE USE OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED AS OPPOSED TO OUTWARD GROWTH.

THE INFILL OVERLAY DISTRICT DOES CARRY SOME LESS STRINGENT STANDARDS FOR RELAS AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAN THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT.

SO ITEMS LIKE MINIMUM LOT SIZE ARE, UH, SOMETHING THAT THE INFILL CONTROLS, IN THIS CASE, THE INFILL OVERLAY DISTRICT REQUIRES LOT SIZE TO BE, UH, WITHIN 90% OF THE AVERAGE SIZE OF HOMES WITHIN 50 FEET.

THAT IN THIS AREA WOULD PLACE THE REQUIRED LOT SIZE AT AROUND 33,000 SQUARE FEET DUE TO THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PROPERTIES BEING EXCEEDINGLY LARGE LOTS.

I WILL NOTE THAT THE LARGER BULLARD'S EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD DOES INCLUDE, UH, LOTS THAT ARE BETWEEN 200 AND 400 FEET AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT ARE WITHIN 6,500 TO TO 9,000 SQUARE FEET.

UH, SO FROM A LOT SIZE PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS NOT OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE, BUT DOES NOT TECHNICALLY MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE INFILL, UH, BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW.

SO THE APPLICANT IS PURSUING A PETITION FOR RELIEF WAIVER.

YOU CAN THINK OF THAT AS A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR LOT SCIENCE WITH THIS REPL TO ALLOW THOSE 8,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AS PART OF THE REPL.

THE APPLICANT IS DEDICATING RIGHT OF WAY FOR SOUTH ROGERS STREET IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE WAXAHATCHEE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

THEY'RE ALSO DEDICATING A COMBINATION OF PRIVATE AND PUBLIC EASEMENTS TO PROVIDE UTILITY SERVICE TO THE PROPERTIES.

HERE.

STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PETITION FOR RELIEF WAIVER DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE.

BUT IT WILL POINT OUT WE'VE RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION FOR THIS REPL.

THAT LETTER OF OPPOSITION CAME IN AFTER THE PACKET WAS PUBLISHED, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE DESK THERE.

AS I NOTED, STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PETITION FOR RELIEF REQUEST.

WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REPLANT REQUESTS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS COVERED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THOSE CONDITIONS.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TONIGHT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTLY FOR HIM.

THANK YOU.

ZACH, YOU WANNA HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND IT'S BEING, IT WOULD REMAIN A SINGLE FAMILY, CORRECT? CORRECT.

THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT CHANGING.

EACH LOT WILL BE UTILIZED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

NO.

NO SET SETBACK VARIANCES REQUESTED? NO.

THAT'S CORRECT.

ONLY LOT SIZE IS THE ISSUE.

FRONT YARD SETBACK.

CORRECT.

THE APPLICANT HERE WILL LOTS OF THAT SIZE SUPPORT HOMES THAT ARE OF A SIMILAR SIZE TO THE OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THEY WILL, THEY WILL.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXISTING LOTS WITHIN TWO TO 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT ARE OF SIMILAR SIZE OR EVEN SMALLER THAT DO SUPPORT EXISTING HOMES.

SO THE SIZE OF THE LOTS HERE WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOMES IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.

I SEE THERE ARE A LOT OF MATURE TREES, UM, HERE AND I JUST WONDER IF YOU PLAN TO KEEP ANY OF THEM.

SO, BRAD YATES TWO 11 NORTH GIBSON, UH, THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT LOT OTHER THAN IT CAME AVAILABLE.

WE SAW THE NEED FOR IT BEING THAT WE HAVE THE EVENT CENTER DIRECTLY BEHIND IT AND SEVERAL OTHER LOTS IN THE, IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA IF YOU PAN.

THANKS ZACH FOR BRINGING UP THE FACT.

IF YOU PAN OUT BEYOND JUST THE 50 FEET THAT SURROUND IT, IT GETS BACK TO THE LOT SIZE, WHICH IS WHAT I'M REQUESTING.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN A FEW TIMES IN THE PAST.

I THINK THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE WE WAS ON, UH, A LOT ON FARLEY STREET.

WE DID THE SAME THING ON BRYSON STREET.

SO IT KIND OF MEETS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH SOME OF THE INFILL LOTS AROUND TOWN.

AND YOU'VE GOT WATER LINES ON BOTH STREETS THAT YOU CAN TAP INTO.

YES.

SO, UH, ACTUALLY THERE, THE SEWER RUN, THERE'S A SEWER MAIN THAT RUNS RIGHT DOWN DUNAWAY.

UM, AND THE WATER IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE COMES FROM ROGERS IN.

WHAT IS REALLY BIZARRE IS WHEN YOU GO A BLOCK TOWARD 35, IT KINDA ALL ENDS.

HUH.

SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE LOTS DOWN THERE THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY REPLANTED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE'VE GIVEN THAT EASEMENT AND, AND RIGHT AWAY TO THAT WE'RE NOW TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY GET

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YEAH.

AND TO CONFIRM, LIKE IF YOU WERE TO BUILD HOUSES THERE, THEY'D BE BACK TO BACK, RIGHT? THEY'D BE BACK TO BACK, YEAH.

ONE WOULD BE FACING DUNAWAY AND ONE WOULD BE THE OBVIOUS.

YOU DON'T NEED, OBVIOUSLY THE FIR THE ONE THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY FACES ROGERS.

YEAH.

OKAY.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, RENOVATING THAT ONE AS WE SPEAK.

OKAY.

SO LIKE THE PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN, YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO CUT DOWN ON MOWING? YES.

YES.

THERE'S A LOT OF PECAN TREES AND RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? BRAD? WHY IS THE NEIGHBOR SO OPPOSED? I WISH I HAD THAT ANSWER.

I DON'T KNOW.

DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY'D APPROACHED YOU.

I, I HAVEN'T.

I, IN, IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH, WITH HER IN THE PAST, SHE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF EVERYTHING WE WERE DOING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MM-HMM.

.

SO I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT POINT THAT CHANGED TO BE QUITE HONEST.

THAT'S WHY I'M SURPRISED TO SEE HER.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I MEAN, BASED ON THIS LETTER IT MENTIONS COMMERCIAL ZONING.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE ZONING.

YEAH.

AS SHE MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE REZONING IT COMMERCIAL.

SO, AND, AND JUST IN MY OPINION, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST HARD FOR CHANGE.

YEAH.

ANYONE ELSE? THANKS SIR.

YOU BET.

THANKS.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE.

THE PUBLIC HEARING

[11. Consider recommendation of SUB-178-2024]

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REZONING OF, LET ME READ IT IN THE COURT.

YES.

YEAH, THERE WE GO.

UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF C, EXCUSE ME, ZDC DASH 180 DASH 2023.

A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

THAT'S NUMBER 11.

SORRY, I'M ON THE WRONG ONE.

THERE WE GO.

UH, MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UH, SUB DASH 1 7 8 DASH 2024.

A RELA OF LOT ONE BLOCK 23 OF THE BULLARD'S EDITION.

SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY.

I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES.

[12. Public Hearing on a request by Mark Singleton, Waxahachie Development Company, for a Zoning Change from a General Retail (GR) zoning district to Planned Development- General Retail (PD-GR) zoning district, for a Retail Stores & Shops and Drive-Through Establishment use, located directly south of 450 E US Highway 287 Bypass, (Property ID 179056) - Owner: Waxahachie Development Company, (ZDC-72-2022) Staff: Zack King]

LOCATED DIRECTLY SOUTH OF FOUR 50 EAST US HIGHWAY 2 87.

BYPASS PROPERTY ID 1 7 9 0 5 6.

OWNER WALKS HATCH DEVELOPMENT COMPANY ZDC DASH 72 DASH 2022.

ZACH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.

AS YOU MENTIONED, AGENDA ITEM 12 FOR ZDC 72 DASH 2022.

IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FOR THE 2 87 SPORTS COMPLEX PLAZA.

THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN A GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT, SITUATED ON A LITTLE OVER TWO ACRES IN SIZE.

IF I ZOOM OUT HERE, YOU'LL SEE IT'S LOCATED DIRECTLY SOUTH, THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH AND WEST OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX ITSELF.

I DO WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS REQUEST.

THE APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IN JUNE OF 2022.

STAFF PERFORMED AN INITIAL REVIEW AND THE APPLICANT OPTED TO PLACE THE CASE ON HOLD AT THAT POINT.

THEY DID REACH BACK OUT TO STAFF IN MAY OF 2024 TO PROVIDE A RESUBMITTAL AND PICK THE CASE BACK UP.

SO WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE REVIEW REVIEW PROCESS FROM THERE.

UH, TO GET THIS PD BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE PD, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF TWO MULTI-TENANT RETAIL BUILDINGS AND A SINGLE DRIVE-THROUGH USE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

I'LL SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN IN JUST A MOMENT.

UH, THAT INCLUDES THAT ONE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MULTI-TENANT RETAIL BUILDING AND ONE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING THAT'S CURRENTLY CONCEPTUALIZED TO HAVE ONE TENANT.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

HERE YOU'LL SEE THE LARGER BUILDING PARALLEL WITH 2 87 AND THIS IS THE SMALLER 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS WITH A SINGLE TENANT.

THESE BUILDINGS ARE SEPARATED BY AN OPEN PLAZA THAT'S CONCEPTUALIZED TO HAVE SOME OUTDOOR SEATING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

THE APPLICANT HAS MET THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT AND SLIGHTLY EXCEEDED IT FOR THE SITE.

THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS 104 SPACES.

THEY'VE PROVIDED A TOTAL OF 107.

THEY HAVE NOT PROPOSED ANY FREESTANDING SIGNAGE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME.

THERE IS AN EXISTING BILLBOARD PARTIALLY ON THE PROPERTY THAT WILL REMAIN UNCHANGED.

AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT TO INSTALL A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG HIGHWAY 2 87.

THEY HAVE NOTED THAT THERE'S NO EXISTING SIDEWALK ASSOCIATED WITH THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH TO THE NORTH AND NO SIDEWALK LEADING TO THE INTERSECTION OF BROADHEAD ROAD TO

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UH, SO THAT IS A REQUEST AS PART OF THIS PD.

THE DESIGN OF THE SITE CURRENTLY DOESN'T INCLUDE A DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE SPORTS COMPLEX, WHICH IS LOCATED TOP OF THE PAGE HERE.

THE APPLICANT HAS DESIGNED THE SITE TO POTENTIALLY ACCOMMODATE A DRIVE THROUGH USE AT EACH OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS HERE.

THEY, HOWEVER, HAVE INCLUDED A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD WITH THIS PD THAT RESTRICTS THE PROPERTY TO HAVING A TOTAL OF ONE DRIVE THROUGH USE ON THE SITE.

SO NOT EACH BUILDING WILL GET A DRIVE THROUGH, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN THIS IS DEVELOPED.

BUT BECAUSE TENANTS HAVE NOT BEEN SELECTED OR IDENTIFIED FOR THE BUILDINGS YET, THEY HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED EXACTLY WHICH BUILDING THEY WANT TO PLACE THAT DRIVE-THROUGH USE.

UH, SO THEY DESIGNED THEM BOTH ACCORDINGLY.

EACH PROPOSED DRIVEWAY LOCATION CAN STACK THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SIX VEHICLES.

HOWEVER, I WILL NOTE THAT BUILDING ONE IS THE, UH, OFFERS THE BEST, UH, AMOUNT OF STACKING FOR THE A DRIVE-THROUGH USE AT UP TO 20 SPACES, UH, IF THEY WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING HERE.

UH, SO THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL, UH, PLACE TO LOCATE, LOCATE A DRIVE-THROUGH IN THE FUTURE.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROVIDED A LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE.

THEY HAVE MET THE MINIMUM LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND I'LL NOTE THEY HAVE INCORPORATED 17 CREPE MYRTLES INTO THE SITE HERE.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROVIDED TWO ELEVATION AND FACADE OPTIONS FOR YOU TO REVIEW AND CHOOSE FROM HERE, UH, BOTH OPTIONS UTILIZE SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, EXTERIOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, THAT BEING A COMBINATION OF BRICK STUCCO AND STONE.

OPTION ONE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE HERE, FEATURES MORE OF AN EARTH TONE COLOR PALETTE AND PRIMARILY UTILIZES THE STONE FOR THE EXTERIOR FACADE WITH SOME STUCCO AND PORCELAIN TILE ACCIDENTS.

OPTION TWO HERE FEATURES THE SIMILAR, UH, MATERIALS, UH, BUT LARGELY A RED BRICK PRIMARY EXTERIOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL.

I WILL NOTE THAT HVAC EQUIPMENT IS PROPOSED FOR THE ROOFTOP HERE, BUT THEY HAVE DESIGNED IT IN SUCH A WAY WHERE PARAPETS WILL ADEQUATELY SCREEN THAT ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT HERE.

UH, IT WILL BE NECESSARY IN YOUR MOTION TONIGHT TO SELECT YOUR, UH, PREFERRED ELEVATION FACADE OPTION TO CONTINUE ON TO COUNCIL BEFORE GETTING INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION, I WANNA REVISIT THE SITE PLAN BRIEFLY HERE.

JUST TO NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO DESIGN DESIGN ONSITE DETENTION FACILITIES.

UH, THEY WILL BE FULLY DESIGNING THOSE WITH A FUTURE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION PERMIT.

AS A REMINDER, CIVIL CONSTRUCTION PERMITS ARE REQUIRED TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT IS RELEASED FOR THE SITE.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE OBLIGATED TO ADHERE TO THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION DESIGN MANUAL FOR THAT.

THEY WILL BE WORKING WITH TXDOT TO GET THIS SINGLE DRIVEWAY AS AN ACCESS POINT ONTO THE SITE HERE.

AS FAR AS UTILITIES ARE CONCERNED, THEY WILL BE EXTENDING A SEWER LINE TO THE SOUTH TO SERVE THE PROPERTY AND THEY WILL BE ADDING, UH, FIRE HYDRANTS TO MEET, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S REQUIREMENT FOR COVERAGE FOR THE PROPERTY AS WELL.

WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR THE CASE HERE.

AND WITH ALL THAT IN MIND, STAFF IS GONNA BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PD REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THOSE CONDITIONS OR THE PROJECT IN GENERAL.

I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTLY FOR HIM.

THANK YOU ZACH.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION, ZACH.

SO IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, ANY OF THE BUILDINGS COULD HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, CORRECT? SO, BUT ONLY ONE CAN BE A DRIVE THROUGH THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THE APPLICANT HAS DESIGNED THE SITE AND THE TWO PROPOSED BUILDINGS TO ACCOMMODATE A DRIVE THROUGH USE ON EACH BUILDING SHOULD THEY CHOOSE.

SO IN THE FUTURE, HOWEVER, THIS PD WILL RESTRICT THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE TO ONLY HAVING ONE DRIVE THROUGH AT A TIME.

SO THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN HERE THE TWO POTENTIAL LOCATIONS FOR A DRIVE THROUGH ONE ON EACH BUILDING A PICKUP WINDOW FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH, I SHOULD SAY.

UM, AS THEY PROGRESS THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, SHOULD THIS PD BE APPROVED, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO, UH, BASICALLY OPERATE A DRIVE THROUGH USE AT ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS.

SO THIS FIRST LOCATION, WHAT WOULD THE CAR STACK BE IF THEY CHOSE IT FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH LOCATION? IT WOULD BE FOR BUILDING TWO.

THAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM.

IT IS SIX SPACES WRAPPING AROUND THE BUILDING AS SHOWN BY MY CURSOR HERE.

IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE ON THE, UH, SCREEN HERE BECAUSE OF THE LIGHTING THEY HAVE PROVIDED, UH, OUTLINES OF VEHICLES TO SHOW THAT STACKING IS SUFFICIENT HERE.

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UH, 1 25 WILLOW CREST WAXAHATCHEE.

AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL.

UH, WELCOME TO YOUR NEW POSITION, I GUESS AS WE LOOK AT THE PNZ.

SO, UH, IT'S NICE TO BE ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE, UH, IN MANY WAYS.

AGAIN, THIS SIDE, I WANT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR TO IT.

I GUESS IN TERMS OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, MY GRANDFATHER ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED THIS PROPERTY WAS IN OUR FAMILY BEFORE THE 2 87 BYPASS WAS ACTUALLY DONE.

SO YOU CAN CONTEMPLATE THE WXI DEVELOPMENT, THE SUBDIVISION ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO IT'S BEEN SITTING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

UH, AND EVERYTHING'S FINALLY GOTTEN LINED UP TO MAKE IT WORK.

UH, REALLY PROBABLY A FIVE YEAR EXERCISE IN TERMS OF COORDINATING SEWER AND WATER BACK.

OF COURSE, THE BACK ACROSS THE SPORTS COMPLEX, GOING THROUGH ALL THAT ENGINEERING AND THEN GETTING ON THE SIDE AND FINDING SOMETHING THAT WORKS OPTIMALLY.

UH, I HAVE MY ARCHITECT AND THEIR TEAM, TOM MALONE.

UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FAR TOO LONG, BUT I DO THINK WE'VE BROUGHT A, A REALLY UNIQUE SOLUTION TO A TRIANGULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT MANY YEARS AGO, CAR LOT WANTED TO BUY THE SITE AND SAID, OKAY, THAT'LL WORK.

BUT IT JUST LIKE THIS IS, DO I REALLY WANNA PUT THAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, OF THE CHURCH AND THE SPORTS COMPLEX? SO REALLY I THINK WE'VE COME TO SOMETHING THAT ONE AUGMENTS AND ACTUALLY ACCENTS THE, THE CHURCH ON ONE SIDE OF US.

AND THEN THE SPORTS COMPLEX.

UH, LOTS OF THOUGHT GONE INTO IT.

THE OPTION A AND B ARE ONE AND TWO ON THE FACADE DESIGN.

YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, THE WAY THE WORLD IS RIGHT IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE GOTTA KIND OF PREDISPOSE THAT.

UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN AN ERROR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

IT'S MORE FOR YOU GUYS.

IF YOU LOOK AT STUFF I'M DEVELOPING CURRENTLY WOULD BE THE NORTH GROVE AND WASHINGTON BOULEVARD, RIGHT? THAT'S FIVE STORY OR FOUR STORY APARTMENTS.

I TRIED TO KEEP THE WAXAHATCHEE BRICK ALIVE WITH ROCK, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BRING, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING HERE.

THESE PICTURES DO A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE JOB OF ILLUSTRATING WHAT WE HOPE THE, THE RELIEFS WILL LOOK LIKE.

AGAIN, THIS THING SITS THERE WITH ALL THIS ROAD FRONTAGE AND REALLY SPEAKS TO WAXAHATCHEE SIGNAGE.

WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT, I THINK AS WE GO, BUT, UM, IN ANY QUESTIONS WE'VE OPTIMIZED THE SITE FOR FIRE AND ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, OTHER WANTS AND NEEDS AND DESIRES.

AND, UM, AGAIN, I THANK STAFF FOR PUTTING UP WITH US AS WE'VE KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH, UH, GETTING A WHAT I THINK IS A PRETTY GOOD PRODUCT NOW.

HEY, MARK, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

YES, MA'AM.

THE ELEVATIONS, UM, BETWEEN ONE AND TWO, UH, WHAT'S THE PRICE DIFFERENTIAL? THEY'RE GONNA BE REALLY CLOSE, YOU KNOW, SO I, I WOULD DRAG YOU BACK TO THAT NORTH GROVE SO AT LEAST YOU CAN CONTEXTUALLY IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY AND WE'RE FULLY OPEN AT THIS POINT, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE USED ALL EXCEPT THERE'S NO STUCCO, YOU KNOW, OR A ETHOS OR WHICHEVER TERM YOU WANT TO USE.

I I, WE, THE LOOK WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THAT WALKS HATCHIE RED BRICK RED COURTHOUSE.

NOW RED BRICK'S NOT THE SAME AS THE SANDSTONE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE COURTHOUSE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO ALL THOSE THINGS AND BRING PRICE WISE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TOM, WHAT OPTION A OVER OPTION B, THEY'RE GONNA BE PRETTY CLOSE.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE USING A STICKY ROCK OR A FULL STONE, BUT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR THAT ARCHITECTURAL RELIEF.

YOU KNOW, THE DRAWING DOES A TERRIBLE JOB.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A BIG BREAD BOX, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVELY SET ON THE GROUND, BUT WITH MATERIAL USAGE AND COLORIZATION AND THEN TEXTURE, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THE BUILDING REALLY POPS.

YEAH, THE GLAZING.

THAT WILL HELP A LOT.

YEAH.

AGAIN, PICTURES DON'T DO IT JUSTICE, BUT WE CAN ONLY 50 TO $70,000 ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WITH STUCCO, IT'S, IT TENDS TO FADE, IT STARTS TO LOOK BAD A LOT QUICKER THAN BRICK OR OTHER STONE.

WHAT DRIVES SOME OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S FACING THAT SUN SIDE, YOU KNOW, SO I CAN JUMP TO OUR BATES BUILDING, WHICH SITS OUT TO WHERE OUR TITLE COMPANY SITS.

THE, WE JUST DID A, AN EFI OR REALLY AN EFI TREATMENT OVER THE BRICK.

MM-HMM.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT NIGHT SUN HIT THAT OTHER SIDE IS THAT BRICK JUST, JUST DETERIORATED AWAY.

THAT BUILDING WE BUILT CHRISTIAN FIDELITY BUILT THAT BUILDING IN 88, UH, THAT WE'RE IN NOW.

I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THE EFIT THE COLOR ACTUALLY LASTS BETTER IN THE SUN THAN THE ACTUAL RED BRICK, WHICH IS THE SUN IS BRUTAL.

YEAH.

BUT THIS ONE WON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SPOT WHERE THERE'S THIS HUGE FACE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN IT'S, THE SUN'S GONNA KIND OF WORK OVER OUR ROOFTOP VERSUS HAVING ONE FULL SIDE TO, TO, TO BLEED OUT.

BUT WE LEAVE THAT TO YOU ALL AND TRY TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS.

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ARE YOU TAKING THE WATER IN THAT SAME CORNER WHERE FIRST BAPTIST TAKES THEIR WATER? NO, WE'RE BRINGING, WELL YES, IT'S STILL GONNA HIT THAT TECH DOCK RIGHT AWAY.

THERE'S SOME THAT RUNS THE OTHER WAY, BUT NET NET IS GONNA COME ACROSS THAT WHICH COMES ACROSS US ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN WE JUMP OVER THE HIGHWAY, WE STILL HAVE ALL THAT PROPERTY TO DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.

SO ANY THOUGHT OF MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE TO THE SPORTS COMPLEX? YES, I THINK WE'D BE FOOLISH NOT TO.

RIGHT.

AND I'M AFRAID IT OPENS UP SO MANY EXTRA QUESTIONS THAT I'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO ANSWER.

AND THIS IS NOT A DIG ON STAFF, BUT AS WE TRY TO ADDRESS EVERYBODY'S WANTS AND NEEDS, IT'S THE COLOR THING.

WELL WHAT IF ONE OF MY TENANTS REALLY WANTED IT TO BE ROCK? AND THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM IS WE TRY TO, PD IS REALLY DESIGNED TO FIND THE BEST MIX FOR THE PERSON DOING IT AND THE CITY.

AND I GET IT THAT WE GOTTA TRY TO LOCK IT DOWN AS TIGHT AS WE CAN, BUT IT, WELL, BUT YES, I THINK THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE FIGURING IF A RESTAURANT WENT INTO THE YEAH.

THE SPACE ON THE RIGHT OR OR THE ONE IN THE CENTER SPOT AND SAID, HOW DO WE OPEN UP TO THE SPORTS COMPLEX WHERE IF THOSE PEOPLE WANT TO COME AND PATRONIZE THOSE BUSINESSES IT SEEMED LIKE, OR SOMEONE RIDING THEIR BACK OR WALKING ON THE TRAIL, JUST WALK RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND GO GET A COFFEE.

BUT THEN I GOTTA GO TO THE FOUR B BOARD RIDE OUT AGAIN.

IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME TO JUST GET THIS TO YOU.

WE'VE REALLY GOT A ZONING REQUEST IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'VE, YEAH, WE'VE TAKEN THE BURDEN TO HAVE TO DO A FULL SITE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY FOR THE PD PROCESS TO WORK TODAY.

WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE INTENDED YEARS AGO WHEN WE CHANGED SOME OF THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A TON OF CIVIL LIFTING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE ON THE SITE.

THERE'S A, I DON'T KNOW, DID WE DO A LIGHTING PLAN ON THIS ONE TOO? YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE ALL THESE EXTRA CONSULTANTS THAT ARE COMING OUT GIVING US, BUT WE STILL HAVE THE HURDLE TO GET THROUGH YOU ALL AND ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL.

BUT THE END RESULT WILL BE, THE END RESULT'S GONNA BE GREAT.

I IT'S, IT'S JUST GOTTEN MORE PAINFUL.

RIGHT? IT TAKES A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS.

IN THIS CASE WE DID KIND OF STOP IT ON THE CITY AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF IT WAS JENNIFER OR WHO SAID HEY AND MAYBE BE .

I'M, I'M GONNA FORGET SAID HEY MARK, WE CAN JUST STRAIGHT DO THIS.

YEAH.

BUT I SAID WE CAN'T 'CAUSE WE GOTTA DO THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT TO NOWHERE.

SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR ANYTHING EXORBITANT.

NO.

UH, I HOPE IF WE ARE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

'CAUSE MOST OF THE, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS AND STAFF'S WORK GREAT WITH US ON THAT.

AND ANY QUESTIONS OF TOM OR ARCHITECT? HE'S, HE'S BEEN WITH ME ON BOTH THESE PROJECTS AND ONE MORE THAT WE'LL SEE Y'ALL HERE IN A FEW WEEKS ON.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO YOU ONLY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE.

ONE, I MEAN ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.

THAT'S JUST A RESTAURANT DRIVE THAT'S A LOT IN THAT SPACE TRYING TO NAVIGATE CARS.

SO I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH JUST ONE ENTRANCE ON THIS SITE PLAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, DON'T THINK TEXTILE WILL GRANT TWO.

UH, AND THAT'S REALLY THE LIMITING FACTOR.

IT'S NOT THAT WE DIDN'T WANT ONE RIGHT.

BUT I DON'T BELIEVE TEXTILE AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT GUY GETTING WIDE OPEN, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LITTLE 12 FOOT DRIVE.

WE'RE REALLY, IT'S GONNA BE MUCH LIKE YOU'RE TURNING OFF WASHINGTON BOULEVARD AND IT'S, YOU CAN ONLY TURN ONE WAY TOO.

NOW.

YEAH, WE CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY AND THEY CAN ONLY COME TO US.

SO THE A TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH THIS SITE DOESN'T REALLY NEED, BUT WE'VE REALLY, WE'RE IN FRONT OF A ONE WAY ROAD SURFACE ROAD.

SO IT'S GOING TO REALLY CONTROL IT A GREAT DEAL.

I JUST THINK OF THE TARGET CHICK-FIL-A THAT NIGHTMARE.

YEAH, I'VE TRIED TO AND THAT'S A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY, AND THAT'S THE BEST EXAMPLE TO LOOK AT.

BUT IT'S GOT AN OFF RAMP AND AN ON RAMP AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TURN INTO 500,000 FEET OF RETAIL.

THIS WILL ONLY BE EFFECTIVELY 15,000.

SO, AND AGAIN, I STILL KIND OF HOPE A DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR A DENTAL OFFICE, MY WIFE'S ALREADY IN ONE, BUT SOMEBODY KINDA LIKE THAT WOULD WANT ONE PART OF THIS AND THAT THERE'S A FOOD THING THAT FITS BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF STRAT OR SYNERGY WITH TRYING TO HELP ON THE WEEKEND.

ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE REALLY A GOOD PEDESTRIAN WAY FOR THE WATCH COMPLEX TO ACCESS IT, YOU KNOW, THE WALKING TRAIL BACK TRAILS REALLY THERE.

BUT I CERTAINLY THINK SOME CREATIVE BUSINESS PERSON WOULD WANT TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THERE.

YEAH, YEAH.

YEAH.

CERTAINLY.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? THANK Y'ALL.

NO SIR.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES SIR.

JUST, UH, CURTIS JONES 1 55 WARD.

OH YES SIR.

UM, MY MAJOR CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF FARLEY DOWN ON THE OTHER END WHERE THE, WHERE THE, UH, WHATABURGER IS THAT TRAFFIC COMING FROM BOTH WAYS.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THAT ONE LITTLE SERVICE ROAD.

IF HE'S GONNA BUILD ALL OF THAT IN THERE, IT'S GONNA CREATE

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SO IS THERE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO KIND OF REDUCE SOME OF THAT CONGESTION THAT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING CREATE IS THE QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

WELL, I, I, I DON'T DRIVE THAT A LOT, BUT I DRIVE IT QUITE OFTEN AND THERE'S HARDLY ANY CARS ON IT WHEN I DRIVE IT.

NOW I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL AND SPORTS COMPLEX, YOU KNOW, THO THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND THAT DOES CREATE SOME, BUT I, ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC IS JUST GONNA KEEP GOING ON THE, ON THE SERVICE ROAD.

SO THEY WON'T REALLY IMPACT THE TRAFFIC THAT'S AT THE, AT THE, THE WATER BURGER KIND OF JUNCTION IN THE SPORTS COMPLEX.

TRAFFIC'S NOT GONNA BACK UP TO THAT.

'CAUSE ANYBODY THAT'S COMING FROM THAT, THEY'RE JUST GONNA GO AND HEAD RIGHT WHERE THE, RIGHT, WHERE THE CHURCH IS, THE TRAFFIC COMES FROM BOTH WAYS ACROSS 87 AND THEN IT COMES OUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH THEY BOTH CHURCH RIGHT THERE AT THAT JUNCTION BY THE BANK.

YEAH.

TURN TO GO NORTH, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

.

SO THAT'S GONNA CREATE A LOT OF DIRECT, BUT, BUT THESE PEOPLE WON'T CREATE IT.

THESE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THAT AREA.

THEY'RE JUST GONNA KEEP GOING 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T COME BACK THAT WAY RIGHT NOW.

YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO TO THAT, THAT HAS TO, THAT HAS TO MANEUVER THAT AREA.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE A LOT NEEDED IN THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY IF WE DEVELOP MORE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN SOUTH OF MOVIE THEATER AND THAT SERVICE ROAD PICKS UP MORE.

BUT THAT'D BE A TEXT DOT DECISION WOULD BE RIGHT WHERE LIKE IT IS ON BROWN STREET, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, RIGHT? YEAH.

I COULD DEFINITELY SEE A LOT BEING IN THERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE PROBABLY, WHICH WOULD HELP CONTROL IT.

I MEAN IT'S BACK IT UP, BUT IT'D STILL BE CONTROLLED.

BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TECH STOCKS SHOULD, COULD SURE.

LOOK AT.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

YES SIR.

THANK YOU.

AND I DON'T HAVE THAT HERE, BUT THIS IS FOR MY PRIOR LICENSE, YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, YOU KNOW, CITY ALREADY KIND OF ARTICULATED THAT YOU LOOK AT BROADHEAD, RIGHT? IT'S A IT'S A FULL BLOWN YEAH.

ALL OUR OPS, BUT THE BRIDGE STILL HASN'T GROWN UP TO WHAT THE CITY WAS REALLY LOOKING LONG TERM.

BUT THE SAME THING COME ALL THE WAY SOUTH OF THE TOWN.

DON'T REMEMBER, BUT THERE IS A THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT HAS THAT ROAD MOVING TO A, IT'LL LOOK ALMOST JUST LIKE, LIKE BROWN STREET.

THEN IT HAS TO KIND OF DO A NEW RESET BECAUSE WE HIT THOSE NARROW STREETS IN THERE.

I DON'T YEAH.

YEAH.

I THINK IT EVENTUALLY IS GONNA LOOK LIKE BROWN STREET, RIGHT? YEAH, IT SHOULD.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WITH LIGHTS AT BOTH ENDS.

YES.