[1. Call to Order]
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WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.UM, I KNOW WE'LL BE HONORING SEVERAL OF YOU TONIGHT, AND THERE'S, UH, SOME IMPORTANT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR BEING HERE.
AND THANK YOU FOR CARING ABOUT THE WONDERFUL CITY THAT A LOT OF US LIVE IN, AND, UH, A LOT OF US BORN AND RAISED HERE, AND, UM, CONSCIOUSLY DECIDE TO CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE AND RAISE OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN HERE.
WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL, UH, IF YOU WOULD STAND, UH, FOR THE INVOCATION.
GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU THIS EVENING TO THANK YOU, LORD.
LORD, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF OUR BLESSINGS DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
THOSE BLESSINGS THAT, THAT WE REALIZE ARE BLESSINGS, LORD, AND EVEN THOSE THAT MAYBE AT THE TIME THAT WE DON'T, LORD, BE WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US HERE TONIGHT IN THIS ROOM, THOSE OF US THAT MAY BE STRUGGLING WITH SOMETHING.
LORD, I LIFT, UH, THOSE UP TO YOU TONIGHT AND ASK THAT THEY FEEL YOUR PRESENCE, UH, DURING THEIR DIFFICULTIES.
LORD, I ASK THAT YOU BE WITH BRADEN TOMORROW, UH, DURING HIS SURGERY, UH, AND COUNCILMAN ATKINS AND THAT FAMILY, LORD.
AND, UH, JUST BE WITH COUNCIL AND STAFF TONIGHT AS WE MAKE IMPORTANT DECISIONS ABOUT THIS CITY, ABOUT OUR ANIMALS, LORD.
AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR FORGIVENESS.
WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN YOUR HOLY SON'S NAME.
IF YOU WOULD JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD.
[4. Announcements/Presentations ]
WE'LL START WITH THE, UH, INTRODUCING OUR HONORARY COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMAN WRIGHT.IT'S MYSTIQUE, HONOR AND PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE OUR, OUR CITY COUNCILMAN FOR THE WEEK FOR THE MONTH.
STEVE'S A LIFETIME RESIDENT OF WAXAHATCHEE.
HE MARRIED HIS HOMETOWN SWEET SWEETHEART, HILDA HARBIN, AND THEY WERE MARRIED ALMOST 50 YEARS.
HE RAISED TWO CHILDREN, JIM AND JILL, WHO BOTH LIVE IN WAXAHATCHEE.
HE GRADUATED FROM SMU, BOTH UNDERGRADUATE AND LAW SCHOOL, PRACTICED LAW IN WAXAHATCHEE FOR OVER 55 YEARS, FOCUSING IN REAL ESTATE BUSINESS AND PROBATE AREAS.
HE SERVED AT THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS FOR THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE, A REMARKABLE TESTAMENT TO HIS ABILITY TO WORK WELL WITH PEOPLE.
CAN YOU IMAGINE ANYONE LASTING SO LONG IN SUCH A DIFFICULT ROLE, OFTEN HAVING TO TELL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR? HE'S CHAIRED TOO MANY LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO LIST IT HERE.
HE'S AN AVID COLLECTOR FOCUSING ON CLASSIC AUTOMOBILES, AND IF YOU HAD NEVER SEEN THE AUTOMOBILES, HE'S GOT, BOY, HE'S GOT A COLLECTION.
HE'S AN EXPERT ON ALL THINGS WAXAHATCHEE AND IS WILLING TO SHARE HIS STORIES.
HE'S A FRIEND TO EVERYONE AND THE ENEMY OF NONE.
I'M HONORED TO CALL HIM MY FRIEND AND ADVISOR AND MENTOR STEVE CHAPMAN.
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THAT BRINGS US TO PRESENT A PROCLAMATION, RECOGNIZING SEPTEMBER AS CHILDHOOD CANCER AWARENESS MONTH.UH, WHEREAS CHILDHOOD CANCER IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH BY DISEASE AMONG CHILDREN IN THE UNITED STATES, AFFECTING THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES EVERY YEAR.
AND WHEREAS APPROXIMATELY 15,000 CHILDREN ARE DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER EACH YEAR AND IS ESTIMATED THAT ONE IN 285 CHILDREN WILL BE, WILL BE DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER BEFORE THE AGE OF 20.
AND WHEREAS CHILDHOOD CANCER TAKES MANY FORMS, INCLUDING LEUKEMIA, BRAIN TUMORS, AND VARIOUS OTHER TYPES OF CANCER.
AND THE EFFECTS OF THESE DISEASES ARE FELT NOT ONLY BY THE CHILDREN DIAGNOSED, BUT ALSO BY THEIR FAMILIES, FRIENDS, AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
WHEREAS SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE IN IMPROVING SURVIVAL RATES WITH NEARLY 80% OF CHILDREN DIAGNOSED WITH CANCERS SURVIVING.
BUT THE FIGHT IS FAR FROM OVER AND MUCH MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FIND CURES, IMPROVE, IMPROVE, IMPROVE THE TREATMENTS, AND PROVIDE FOR FAMILIES FACING THESE CHALLENGES.
AND WHEREAS THE COMMUNITY OF WAXAHATCHEE TEXAS RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF RAISING AWARENESS ABOUT CHILDHOOD CANCER, SUPPORTING RESEARCH AND HONORING THE, THE CHILDREN, FAMILIES, AND HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE DEDICATED TO BATTLING THIS DISEASE.
AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE IS COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING THE EFFORTS OF LOCAL GROUPS, INCLUDING THE FAMILIES OF CHILDREN WITH CANCER, AS WELL AS THOSE WHO ARE WORKING TIRELESSLY TO ENSURE THAT NO CHILD FACES CANCER ALONE, WHEREAS THE CITIZENS OF WAXAHATCHEE STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH ALL OF THOSE AFFECTED BY CHILDHOOD, AFFECTED BY CHILDHOOD CANCER, WORKING TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT EVERY CHILD DIAGNOSED RECEIVES THE TREATMENT AND SUPPORT THEY NEED TO THRIVE.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, SHE BILLY WALLACE, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE, TEXAS, ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL TO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 26TH AS CHILDHOOD CANCER AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN IN THE EFFORTS TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT CHILDHOOD CANCER, TO SUPPORT THE FAMILIES AFFECTED AND TO ADVOCATE FOR CONTINUED RESEARCH AND FUNDING TO FIND A CURE.
PROCLAIMED THIS 21ST DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2026, MAYOR BILLY WALLACE.
THOSE OF YOU HERE TO SUPPORT, IF YOU JOIN US FOR A PHOTO WHILE THEY'RE BREAKING UP AND SO FORTH.
THEY'VE JUST BEEN TOLD THERE'S A DOG, UH, OUTSIDE THAT'S WANTING TO GET INSIDE.
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ANY OF Y'ALL BRING A DOG THAT MAY HAVE ESCAPED YOUR VEHICLE.JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GET LOST FROM ITS OWNER IF HE BROUGHT A DOG AND MAYBE ESCAPED.
CHIEF BOYD, CITY MANAGER BOYD.
I TRIED TO SIT IT DOWN ON A BUMPER TO GET THE DOG TO COME INSIDE AND THE CUP FELL OUT THE BUMPER.
THAT BRINGS US TO PRESENT A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING OCTOBER 4TH, 2026 IS FARM HERITAGE DAY, WHERE THE SMALL FAMILY FARMS OF ELLIS COUNTY HELPED ESTABLISH THE ECONOMIC FOUNDATION FOR THE GROWTH AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF WAXAHATCHEE AND ELLIS COUNTY.
AND WHEREAS GENERATIONS OF FARM FAMILIES CONTRIBUTED THEIR HARD WORK SKILLS AND INGENUITY TO THE AGRICULTURAL PROSPERITY OF THE REGION AND HELPED TO BUILD THE COMMUNITIES, BUSINESSES, INSTITUTIONS, AND TRADITIONS THAT FOLLOWED.
AND WHEREAS AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE HISTORY FOR WHICH WAXAHATCHEE IS RECOGNIZED TODAY, WHEREAS THE ELLIS COUNTY RURAL HERITAGE FARM PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CHILDREN, FAMILIES, AND VISITORS TO LEARN AND EXPERIENCE THE WORK SKILLS, TRADITIONS, AND EVERYDAY LIVES OF EARLIER GENERATIONS.
AND WHEREAS FARM HERITAGE DAY TO BE HELD OCTOBER 4TH, 2026 AT THE ELLIS COUNTY RURAL HERITAGE FARM PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO RECOGNIZE, REMEMBER, AND CELEBRATE THE SMALL FAMILY FARMS AND FARM FAMILIES WHOSE CONTRIBUTIONS HELP SHAPE WAXAHATCHEE AND ELLIS COUNTY.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, BILLY WALLACE, THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE, TEXAS, ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE OCTOBER 4TH, 2026 AS FARM HERITAGE DAY IN THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE, TEXAS.
AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE, REMEMBER, AND CELEBRATE THE AGRICULTURE, HERITAGE, AND THE GENERATIONS OF FARM FAMILIES WHOSE HARD WORK HELPED LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR THE GROWTH OF OUR COMMUNITY.
PROCLAIM THIS 21ST DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2026.
WHO'S WHOEVER'S HERE FOR THIS? YEAH.
THANK YOU MAYOR WALLACE, BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO MAYBE PHOTOSHOP OUR FELLOW COUNCILMAN DOWN THERE INTO OUR PICTURES? WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF PICTURES TONIGHT.
HE'S NOT GETTING TO PARTICIPATE AND I JUST FEEL BAD FOR HIM.
WELL, THAT'LL BE UP TO WHO'S TAKING THE PHOTOS SO THAT, THAT'S A REQUEST.
IF THAT CAN HAPPEN, IT'S BEEN DONE.
OUR STAFF IS VERY GOOD ABOUT, UH, FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THINGS THAT WE REQUEST, SO THANK Y'ALL.
KEEP WAXAHATCHEE BEAUTIFUL COMMITTEE PRIDE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE, UH, PEN AWARD IF YOU WOULD.
Y'ALL, UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, MATTER.
UH, MADAM MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS FORESTS JOHN AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF
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OF KE WAHI BEAUTIFUL.AND THE WAHI PARKS AND RECREATION APARTMENT OF BRIDGE PRESENT SEPTEMBER'S PEN AWARD, WHICH IS A PRIDE, UH, IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IT IS OUR PLEASURE THIS EVENING TO RECOGNIZE DR.
UM, NIA GALLAGHER, UH, WHO IS A RESIDENT OF THE SETTLERS CLAN SUBDIVISION HERE IN WAXAHATCHEE, DR. GALLAGHER.
UH, GARDENING, UH, GARDENING IS FAR MORE THAN A HOBBY.
IT IS A LABOR OF LOVE, AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH NATURE, UH, AND, AND THE WORLD.
A MEANINGFUL WAY TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENT AROUND HER.
SHE PERSONALLY TENDS EVERY ASPECTS OF HER LANDSCAPE AND HAS THOUGHTFUL, THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNER GARDENS TO, TO GREAT TO CREATE A WELCOMING HABITAT FOR POLLINATORS AND LOCAL WILDLIFE.
AND BY THE WAY, SHE DID MENTION THAT SHE CUTS HER OWN GRASS, WHICH IS A RARE THING TODAY.
SO IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME AND CONGRATULATE DR.
UH, UH, FAINA GALLAGHER AS A RECIPIENT OF SEPTEMBER'S PRIDE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AWARD.
AND I THINK GO AHEAD WITH RESPECT, COUNSEL, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME JUST ONE BRIEF COMMENT.
IT HAS BEEN MY JOY AND HONOR TO BE ON KEEP WALKS.
SHE BEAUTIFUL FOR QUITE A BIT.
AND I CAN ATTEST THAT SHE IS NOT SIMPLY OUR FRIEND AND THE ONE WHOSE HOME WE DID NOT KNOW WE WERE CHOOSING IN THE BEGINNING, BUT SHE SERVED TIRELESSLY ON KECHI.
AND I COMMEND HER FOR THAT INVESTMENT AND INVOLVEMENT AS WELL.
CAN WE GET A PHOTO REAL QUICK UP HERE? I HAVE MY, YEAH, I HAVE MY TEAM HERE.
[5. Public Comments]
BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.PERSONS MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY ISSUES.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY CONCERN WHETHER ON THIS AGENDA OR NOT, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE COUNCIL MAY NOT COMMENT OR DELIBERATE SUCH STATEMENTS DURING THIS PERIOD, EXCEPT AS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 5 5 1 0 4 2 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
WE DID HAVE THREE PEOPLE SIGN UP TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DARLENE MILLER HERE, TWO 40 PARK SCHOOLHOUSE ROAD, APARTMENT ONE 14, LOXAHATCHEE, TEXAS.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR, MAYOR BILLY WALLACE, EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL, AND OUR CITY MANAGER, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, EVERYBODY, BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE AND ARE ADVOCATING FOR THE ANIMALS AND REALLY VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.
I KNOW WHEN YOU GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TODAY THAT YOU HAVE A, UH, VOTE LATER TODAY ABOUT THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, SPOT FOR A NEW ANIMAL SHELTER.
OF COURSE, IT'S MORE THAN JUST FOR ANIMAL SHELTER 'CAUSE I GUESS IT'S 20 ACRES, RIGHT? SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT.
UM, MY FRIEND JOHNNA IS OUT THERE TRYING TO
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CATCH THE DOG AND SHE WAS GONNA SPEAK TOO, BUT SHE'S ALSO IN FAVOR.AND SO IS ALL OF THE PET COALITION.
UM, I WANNA ALSO THANK, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT CAME AND SUPPORTED THE PET COALITION ON THE AUCTION.
UH, COUNCILMAN CHRIS WRIGHT WAS THERE, UH, MAYOR BILLY WALLACE.
AND, UH, PATRICK SUITER WAS THERE, UH, BY PHONE, I THINK
AND SO, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE EFFORTS.
'CAUSE THAT'S LIKE THE BIGGEST FUNDRAISER OF THE YEAR FOR THE PET COALITION.
AND I ALSO WANNA JUST MENTION THAT, UM, BILLY WALLACE, SHE'S NOT JUST A WONDERFUL MAYOR.
UM, SHE'S A WONDERFUL CITIZEN THAT DOES A LOT OF REALLY NICE THINGS FOR PEOPLE.
AND SHE'S BEEN DOING THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND, UM, AS A CITIZEN, SHE HELPED, UH, MY FRIEND TAMMY HERE AND HER SON JOSHUA, UH, HE JUST RECENTLY LOST HIS FATHER AND HER HUSBAND, UH, IN JANUARY.
AND THEY CAME TO THE SHELTER AND, UH, JOSHUA FELL IN LOVE WITH A BEAGLE THERE THAT HAS THIS HEARTWORM POSITIVE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN BEYOND THEIR REACH TO ADOPT THAT DOG.
BUT I TOLD THEM THAT, HEY, WE HAVE A MAYOR THAT IS ALSO A GREAT CITIZEN THAT HAS OFFERED TO HELP PAY FOR THE HEARTWORM TREATMENT.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO ADOPT THE DOG.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, JOSH AND RAMBO ARE REALLY TIGHT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT RELATIONSHIP.
AND NOW THEY'VE ALREADY COME TWICE TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER TO VOLUNTEER, AND HE'S WONDERFUL WITH THE DOGS AND SO IS TAMMY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT.
ALRIGHT, UH, CHRIS DAVIS, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, NICE TO TALK TO YOU AGAIN.
JUST WANTED TO, UH, MAKE A COUPLE MORE POINTS ABOUT OUR PARK, UH, THE LIONS PARK, UM, REDEVELOPMENT.
UH, ONE THING IS THERE'S ABOUT 2,500 KIDS WHO PARTICIPATE IN YOUTH ORGANIZED TEAM SPORTS, UH, IN OUR CITY.
UH, AND THEY'RE BECOMING YOUNGER.
AND THE TREND IN THE US IS A DECLINE IN TEAM YOUTH SPORTS, BUT THEY ARE BECOMING YOUNGER AND MORE AFFLUENT.
SO, UH, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE'RE, UH, THINKING ABOUT, UH, LIONS PARK.
UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAD PRESENTED WAS TO INCLUDE A WHEELED ACTION PARK.
THE WAXAHATCHEE PARK, UH, SKATE PARK INITIATIVE HAS OVER 2000, 2085, UM, UH, SIGNATURES, ADULT SIGNATURES, UH, TO SUPPORT A WHEELED ACTION OR A SKATE PARK AS PART OF BLINDS PARK OR ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THAT TYPE OF RECREATION.
UM, I, UH, LAST WEEK I WENT TO THE LEE PENN PARKS PARK AND, UH, WALKED THE PRACTICE FIELDS AND THEY'RE IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE.
YOU KNOW, OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT CAN MAINTAIN A GRASS PRACTICE FIELD EVEN THROUGH 45 DAYS OF A HUNDRED DEGREES AND NO RAIN.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE GRASS, UM, FIELDS ARE, ARE, ARE BETTER.
UH, OPTION, UH, I REALLY DON'T THINK WE NEED, WE SHOULD OVERLOOK THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS OF SEVEN ACRES OF PARKING LOT AND PLASTIC, UH, AT LIONS PARK, UM, AND OTHER, UH, PETROLEUM BASED PRODUCTS THAT ARE GONNA BE PART OF DEVELOPING, UH, SYNTHETIC TURF FIELDS.
UH, I TALKED TO A PARK PROFESSIONAL WHO IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH OUR SITUATION, AND HE SAYS, HE TOLD ME THREE THINGS.
IT'S A REALLY BAD MISTAKE, TURF AND FOLLOW THE MONEY.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LAST THING WAS ABOUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME.
AND FINALLY, I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THE BOARD HAS SUPPORTED AND APPROVED AND RECOMMENDED THE ORIGINAL KIMLEY HORN PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES NATURAL GRASP PRACTICE FIELDS AND HAS NEVER OFFICIALLY VOTED ON ANTAR PLAN.
SO THE, UH, PARK BOARD DOES NOT, HAS NEVER SUPPORTED A TURF FIELD PLAN.
DID JONNA MAKE IT BACK IN YET? NO.
HOPEFULLY SHE'LL CATCH THAT DOG.
[6. Consent Agenda ]
THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE CONSENT AGENDA.ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER ITEM SIX
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OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.THERE WILL NOT BE SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER TO EX EXECUTE ALL MATTERS NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT EACH ITEM.
ANY ITEM MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION BY ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS INCLUDES ITEM A THROUGH G COUNCIL.
MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[7. Public Hearing on a request by Corey Riley, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a Short Term Rental use within a Single-Family-2 zoning district located at 106 Trinity Lane (Property ID 172884) - Owners: Cory Riley and Brooke Riley (ZDC-89-2026) ]
NUMBER SEVEN IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY COREY RILEY FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY TWO ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 1 0 6 TRINITY LANE.OWNERS ARE CORY RILEY AND BROOKE RILEY, TRENTON.
THIS IS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AT 1 0 6 TRINITY LANE.
UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR REGULATIONS, ANY SORT OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL DOES REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND IS REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THIS ZONING PROCESS.
THE PROPERTY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY TWO DISTRICT, THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE SIMILARLY ZONED.
UM, THE TYPES OF USES ARE, THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE, UH, SPECIFIC USE, UH, PERMIT.
THE STRUCTURE WILL, HAS APPROXIMATELY OR IS BEING PROPOSED AT FOUR BEDROOMS, APPROXIMATELY 1700 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THEY ARE MEETING THE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
UM, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO PD.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CALLS PERTAINING TO THIS PROPERTY PRIOR TO THE, UM, PRIOR TO THE APPLICATION OF THIS USE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, WITH THIS SITE, THEY DID PROVIDE A FLOOR PLAN, SITE PLAN, UH, SHOWING THAT THEY DO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN ACCORDANCE TO OUR REGULATIONS.
HERE'S THE ELEVATIONS OF THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL HOME.
EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, UH, DOES LOOK LIKE WHEN WE MAILED OUT NOTICES TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, WITHIN 200 FEET AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL 500 FEET.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE EIGHT LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND THREE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FOR THE PROPOSED SUP.
UM, OUT OF THE EIGHT LETTER OF SUPPORT, SEVEN OF THOSE ARE FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE 500 FOOT BUFFER.
WE DID RECEIVE A MAJORITY OF THOSE LETTERS AFTER THE, UM, AFTER WE PUBLISHED THIS REPORT.
UM, I DID PUT COPIES OF THOSE LETTERS, UM, UH, PRIOR TO THIS MEETING AND, UM, AT EACH ONE OF YOUR PLACES, UM, WHEN THIS MOVED FORWARD, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
WE DID HAVE ONE PERSON SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
EMILY REED, IF YOU WOULD COME ON UP.
UM, 3 2 7 SOUTH CENTER AVENUE IN LANCASTER IS MY ADDRESS.
AND I'M ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AND, UM, WHEN WE WERE AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, THEY HAD ASKED FOR A RADIUS OF JUST LIKE THE DIFFERENT, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WERE IN THE AREA.
AND SO I BROUGHT THAT WITH ME JUST IN CASE YOU GUYS WANTED IT.
THERE'S 11 WITHIN A MILE RADIUS.
DO YOU HAVE THAT? YOU HAVE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I AM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT'S, YES.
SHE LISTED AS THE, UH, LOCAL EMERGENCY CONTACT FOR THE PROPERTY.
THEY DID SEND AN EMAIL SAYING THAT I COULD SPEAK FOR THEM.
WHEN DID THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY? I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
WHAT'S THE PROPERTY BEEN SINCE THEN? IT WAS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND SINCE THEY MOVED OVER THE SUMMER, IT HAS BEEN A MIDTERM RENTAL AND JUST TO STAY, UH, THIS WAS NEVER AN OPERATION AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
UH, SO THIS WAS NOT DUE TO A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
THIS IS, UH, THEY'RE SEEKING HOW TO OBTAIN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL APPROACH.
THE CITY, HOW MANY PROPERTIES DO YOU MANAGE FOR THIS COMPANY? THIS IS ONLY MY SECOND WELL OF WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
UH, WE HAVE THREE ACTUAL CITY RESIDENTS IN ADDITION IN THIS FILE THAT ARE OPPOSED.
THERE'S ONE ACTUAL CITY RESIDENT IN SUPPORT AND EIGHT NON PRESIDENTS IN SUPPORT.
NONE OF THOSE EIGHT LIVE IN ELLIS COUNTY AND TWO OF THOSE
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ARE FROM OUT OF STATE.UM, YOU SAID THAT YOU RESIDE IN LANCASTER? YES.
SO DID YOU RILE UP LIKE YOUR NEIGHBORS TO SUPPORT THIS? IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? WELL, I ASKED BECAUSE IT ALREADY CAME FROM THERE IS WHY I ASKED.
THE, THE SUPPORT CAME FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE EITHER STAYED AT A RENTAL OF MINE IN THE PAST OR THE NEIGHBORS OF THE PROPERTY THAT I DO HAVE A RENTAL AT.
JUST FOR YOU GUYS, IF YOU WANNA REFER TO THOSE EMAILS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO.
BUT THEY JUST GIVE A REFERENCE FOR BEING A NEIGHBOR OF A PROPERTY THAT I'VE MANAGED IN THE PAST OR BEING RENT, BUT NOT A NEIGHBOR OF THE RENTER, BUT NOT AN ACTUAL NEIGHBOR OR LIVING NEXT DOOR.
THAN THE ONE, NO, ACTUALLY THE NEIGHBORS.
SO THE OTHER, OTHER PROPERTY, THE ONE YES.
NO, THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT I MANAGE IS A BLOCK AWAY FROM MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
SO THEY'RE ALL NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY, BUT NOT HERE.
YOU SAID THAT YOU MANAGE ONE OTHER MM-HMM
SO YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF ALL THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE.
IT'S NOT HERE, SO IT'S NOT HERE.
THE ONES HE MANAGES IS NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
WELL, BUT I DID, WE DID GO OVER EXTENSIVELY THE REGULATIONS TO GET TO THIS POINT.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO JUST GET IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO YES, I HAVE READ ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'VE ADDED ALL OF THE, UM, EXTRA SAFETY PRECAUTIONS TO THE PROPERTY.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THOSE, UH, THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR WAXAHATCHEE, CORRECT? YEAH, NO MA'AM.
I, I VAGUELY REMEMBER YOU SPEAKING AND SAYING THAT YOU DID HAVE SUPPORT OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY AROUND THAT YET.
I DON'T SEE THAT IN ANY OF THESE LETTERS.
ALL I SEE IS FROM LANCASTER AND ODESSA AND EVERYWHERE ELSE AND YEAH.
BUT FORTUNATELY I CAN TELL YOU, AND THESE GUYS CAN ATTEST TO IT, I'M PROBABLY THE STRONGEST SUPPORTER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE, IN THE BUILDING.
BUT WHEN YOU GOTTA GO OUT OF TOWN AND OUT OF WAY OUTTA TOWN TO GET THE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT IT, AND WE HAVE THE ONE LADY THAT LIVES THERE THAT REALLY DOESN'T WANT IT, AND SHE SHOWN UP BOTH TIMES, THAT GETS A LOT MORE WEIGHT WITH ME.
I, SORRY IF THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, BUT IF UNDERSTAND COULDN'T GET THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THERE ONBOARD.
AND THEY JUST WEREN'T WILLING TO GIVE A LETTER OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND JUST DUE TO SCHEDULE CONFLICTS, I'M REALLY SORRY THAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO SHOW UP TODAY.
BUT YOU'RE ASK, BUT THEY'RE ASKING US TO ALLOW FOR A SMALL BUSINESS TO BE PUT IN A, ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S EVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT THAT DOES RESTRICT THESE.
UM, SO TO, TO ASK FOR WHAT YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY ASK, WHAT THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY ASKING YOU TO ASK THEM FOR, UM, IS FOR US TO ALLOW TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY, UM, TO COMMERCIAL.
AND THERE'S NOT ANY SUPPORT FOR IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I SEE.
HONESTLY, IF I CAN LET YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY PURPOSE AND LIKE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO KEEP IT AS A MIDTERM RENTAL DUE TO LAPSES IN, UM, JUST LIKE TIMING AND SCHEDULING AND JUST THE WAY THAT THIS BUSINESS WORKS.
BUSINESS SOMETIMES THERE IS, THERE IT IS.
YOU SAID BUSINESS? YES, I DID.
MAD MAYOR, I'M READY FOR, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE READY.
I'M, WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CONTINUE.
UM, DUE TO SCHEDULING, IT'S OFTENTIMES HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE A FEW SHORT TERM BOOKINGS IN BETWEEN THE MIDTERM BOOKINGS IN ORDER TO PAY THE RENT AND BE ABLE TO GET, UM, ALL OF THE BILLS COVERED AND FOR THE BUSINESS YES.
SO THE GOAL IS TO HAVE MIDTERM RENTERS IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S BEST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I'VE LIVED NEXT TO ONE AND I'VE MANAGED ONE FOR 10 YEARS.
YOU SAID IT WAS A MIDTERM BEFORE? WHAT WAS IT BEFORE THAT? DID SOMEBODY OWN IT? YES.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS DOESN'T PASS TONIGHT, THEN WHAT DOES IT BECOME? IT JUST, IT STAYS A MIDTERM RENTAL, WHICH IS STILL A FURNISHED RENTAL AND STILL SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COME IN AND OUT OF ON A CONSISTENT BASIS, BUT IT'S 30 DAY MINIMUM.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MA'AM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
NO OTHER PEOPLE SIGNED UP, UH, TO SPEAK.
SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
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THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COUNSEL? MADAM? ITEM EIGHT.I'M SORRY, MAY I JUST JUMP IN QUICKLY? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UH, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY ON THE DAES UNDERSTANDS, OR MY APPROACH ON THESE THINGS AND I'M VERY PROTECTIVE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE FACT THAT, AND I'VE ALWAYS LEANED TO THE SIDE THAT IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT IT, THEN I'M GENERALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.
UM, IT IS QUITE CONCERNING 'CAUSE I WAS GOING THROUGH THE ADDITIONAL HANDOUTS AND HIS, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN SMITH REFERENCED THAT THERE'S A FAIR AND ALSO COUNCILMAN WRIGHT.
UM, ALL THE SUPPORT COMING OUTSIDE OF, OF ELLIS COUNTY.
UM, I HAVE, I HAVE REAL ISSUES WITH THIS.
[8. Consider proposed Ordinance approving ZDC-89-2026 ]
EIGHT IS CONSIDER PROPOSED ORDINANCE APPROVING ZDC 89 20 26.COUNSEL, MADAM MAYOR, UH, JUST A QUICK ADD RIGHT ON THE BACK OF COUNCILMAN SUITER.
UH, FOR CONSIST, FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORS TO BRING A BUSINESS ONTO THEIR STREET, UH, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.
SO WITH THAT, I MOVE TO DE I MOVE TO DENY ZDC 89 DASH 2026, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[9. Public Hearing on a request by Hilda bailey, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for an Accessory Structure Greater than or Equal to 700 S.F. use within a Planned Development Single-Family-1 zoning district located at 2790 Eastham Way (Property ID 190456) - Owners: Hilda Bailey and Ronald Bailey (ZDC-81-2026) ]
TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY HILDA BAILEY FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO 700 SQUARE FEET USE WITHIN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT SINGLE FAMILY, ONE ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 27 90 EASTHAM WAY OWNERS HILDA BAILEY AND RONALD BAILEY TRENTON.UH, WHAT THE PROPERTY IS REQUESTING IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN EXCESSIVE STRUCTURE EXCEEDING 700 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS, UH, THE PROPERTIES AROUND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE SIMILARLY ZONED.
UM, WHEN THIS WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REQUEST.
STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
THE PROPOSED ACCESSORIES STRUCTURE IS APPROXIMATELY 825 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THIS, THIS IS A CONSISTENT, UM, REQUEST IN AREAS, UM, IN THIS AREA AND FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE SIMILARLY ZONED.
UM, WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN, UH, 200 FEET, ZERO LETTERS CAME BACK IN FAVOR, ZERO LETTERS CAME BACK IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION.
AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY DISCUSSION BY COUNSEL BEFORE MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 10.
JUST TWO QUICK ONES FOR GO AHEAD, MR. TRENTON.
UM, ARE WE STILL WORKING ON THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE THIS MAKE THINGS LIKE THIS A OR NOT THE ORDINANCE, BUT THE UPDATE TO MAKE THINGS LIKE THIS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE? YEAH, WE'RE, SO WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THAT TEXT AMENDMENT.
WE'RE IRONING OUT SOME OF OUR, UM, THE BULLET BULLET POINT LIST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING WHAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALLOWING THE FLEXIBILITY, BUT ALSO ALLOWING SOME OTHER CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THERE.
BECAUSE I, I, I JUST DON'T WANT, ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE? I'M SO, I, I JUST DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO CONTINUE ESSENTIALLY WASTING THEIR TIME TO COME UNDERSTOOD WITH, WITH THESE ALSO HECK OF A JOB GETTING THAT STREET RENAMED ON THE MAP ALREADY.
THAT WAS, WE HAVE AN AMAZING GIS DEPARTMENT
I THINK IT WAS DONE THE NEXT DAY.
[10. Consider proposed Ordinance approving ZDC-81-2026 ]
ITEM 10.CONSIDER PROPOSED ORDINANCE APPROVING ZDC 81 20 26.
COUNSEL MADAM MAYOR, MOVE TO APPROVE ZDC 81 DASH 2026.
A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO 700 SQUARE FEET, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO ES TO, TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[11. Public Hearing on a request by Susan Dixon for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for an Accessory Structure greater than or equal to seven hundred (700) square feet, use within a Future Development (FD) zoning district located at 109 Crystal Cove, (Property ID 218977) – Owner: Howard & Susan Dixon (ZDC-77-2026) ]
NUMBER 11 IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR REQUEST BY SUSAN DIXON FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO 700 SQUARE FEET USE WITHIN A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FD ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 1 0 9.CRYSTAL COVE, OWNER IS HOWARD AND SUSAN DIXON TRENTON.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY DITTO TO MY LAST PRESENTATION.
VERY SIMILAR SITUATION, PROPERTY SURROUNDING IT.
SIMILARLY ZONED ASKING FOR EXCESSIVE STRUCTURE
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OVER CER UM, OVER THE 700 SQUARE FEET.UH, WHEN THIS WENT BEFORE, UH, PLAN ZONING COMMISSION, THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UM, STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL CLOSE IT.
ANY DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM 12? SEEING NONE.
[12. Consider proposed Ordinance approving ZDC-77-2026 ]
PROPOSED ORDINANCE APPROVING ZDC 77 20 26 COUNSEL MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE ZDC 77 DASH 2026 AIF, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE EXCEEDING 700 SQUARE FEET USE WITHIN A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? YES, SIR.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[13. Public Hearing on a request by Patrick McGee, HighPark Capital, LLC for a Zoning Change from a Commercial (C) zoning district to a Planned Development-Multi-Family-2 (PD-MF-2) zoning district, located at 1761 N US Highway 77 (Property ID 186874) – Owner(s): Ferris Avenue Baptist Church DBA The Avenue (ZDC-54-2026) ]
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 13, PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY PATRICK MCGEE HIGH PARK, CAPITAL LLC FOR ZONING CHANGE FROM A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT MULTIFAMILY TWO ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 1761 NORTH US HIGHWAY 77 FERRIS AVENUE BAPTIST CHURCH IS THE OWNER'S DBA, THE AVENUE TRENTON.THE PROPERTY IS, UM, CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL.
UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR MULTI-FAMILY, UM, DWELLINGS.
UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING A BASE DISTRICT OF MF TWO.
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A CAVEAT ON THAT.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE REQUESTING A A BASE DISTRICT, THERE ARE SOME DEVIATIONS, UM, WITHIN THE PD.
UM, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY, UH, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE MF TWO, WHICH IS OKAY.
UM, SO ANYTHING THAT THE ORDINANCE IS SILENT OF, IT WILL FALL ON THE MF TWO, UH, BASE REGULATIONS.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 12.462 ACRES.
UM, THE PROPERTIES AROUND, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE SIMILARLY ZONED COMMERCIAL.
UM, THE USES RANGE FROM CHURCH OFFICE, RECREATION CENTER, UM, RE UH, TO THE NORTH, UH, EAST YOU HAVE RESTAURANTS.
AND SO THE THE USES ARE, UM, A VARIETY OF USES IN THIS AREA.
UM, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING ARE, THEY'RE PROPOSING THREE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS AND ONE PLAT OF BOT.
UM, EACH BUILDING WILL BE APPROXIMATELY, UH, FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT.
THEY'RE PROPOSING 314, UH, DWELLING UNITS, UM, A HUNDRED.
THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE DWELLING UNITS ARE A HUNDRED NINETY SIX, ONE BEDROOM, 118, TWO BEDROOM, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 24.84 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THEY ARE DOING, UM, AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THEM, THEY'RE DOING A VARIETY OF, UM, ATTACHED AND DETACHED GARAGES AND CARPORTS.
THE REASONING FOR THAT IS LOT.
WE'VE BEEN RE-LOOKING AT HOW WE DO MULTI-FAMILY AND THE DESIGN THAT WE PUT INTO THE ARCHITECTURE AND STYLES OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE HAVE THESE ENCLOSED GARAGES, IT BLOCKS THAT ARCHITECTURE THAT WE'VE WORKED ON TO TRY TO PUT AN EMPHASIS ON THAT.
AND SO STAFF DOES SUPPORT HAVING THIS, UH, HAVING THE DIFFERENTIATING, UH, DETACHED GARAGES FULLY ENCLOSED, ATTACHED GARAGES AND CARPORTS TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS.
UM, SHOWN, SHOWN THIS AREA, UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM ON, UM, QUITE A BIT IS DOING A TRAIL CONNECTION THAT WOULD GO AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS TRAIL WILL CONNECT TO, UH, THE FUTURE YMCA TRAIL, WHICH THEN WILL HOPEFULLY AT ONE POINT GET ACROSS 77, UM, CONNECTING ALL THE WAY TO OUR PARKS.
UM, IT WILL GO THROUGH, UH, CRUNCH FITNESS SPROUTS ALL THERE.
AND SO WE HAVE THAT HOPEFULLY DESIGNED INTO A LONGER TRAIL, WHICH WE CAN EVENTUALLY, HOPEFULLY CONTINUE WEST WITH THAT TRAIL.
UM, AND PART OF THAT, UH, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOES STATE THAT THAT TRAIL WILL BE, UH, MAINTAINED AND OPERATED BY THE MULTIFAMILY, BUT ALLOW FOR PUBLIC ACCESS FOR THAT T TRAIL.
HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UH, FOR THIS MULTIFAMILY, UH, DWELLING.
UM, THEY'RE TRYING TO CONCENTRATE, UM, MOVING THE, THEY TRY MOVING THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINES SO WE CAN SEE THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN SCALE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THE LANDSCAPING, UM, THEY ARE EXCEEDING OUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THEY'RE USING IN DIFFERENT WAYS ALSO.
THEY'RE, UM, SO IF YOU WERE TO COMPARE OUR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD DIFFERENTIATE, BUT IT'S DESIGNED IN A WAY TO PUT, TO ACCENTUATE THE PROPERTY IN ITS OVERALL DESIGN OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, THEY ARE MEANING BOTH THE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS.
UM, EVERYTHING FROM THE PARAS TO THE WINDOWS, THE ON, UH, INSETS OF THE BALCONIES, UM, USING A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT BUILDING MATERIALS
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TO ACCENTUATE THE ARCHITECTURE.UM, INSTEAD OF DOING A MONOTONE, UM, THIS IS, UH, AFTER MULTIPLE ITERATIONS WORKING WITH THEM.
UM, THIS IS THEIR FINAL DESIGN, WHICH STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE.
UM, GOING PAST THE ARCHITECTURE, THAT'S, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE SIDES OF THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
EACH BUILDING IS IS DIFFERENT.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS, PING UPON, UH, WHICH BUILDING IT IS AMONGST THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, ANOTHER THING I WAS FOCUSED ON, UM, BESIDES IS THE PHASING.
UM, WITH THIS, IT WILL BE DONE IN PHASES.
UM, EVEN THOUGH IT SHOWS SEVEN DIFFERENT PHASES, UM, THESE PHASES CAN ACT QUITE QUICKLY, ONE ON TOP OF ANOTHER.
UM, ONE THING THAT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN PD IS THAT THE LIFE SAFETY ARE ADDRESSED FIRST.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, A GOOD PORTION OF SOME OF THE AMENITIES WILL ALSO BE DONE IN THE FIRST FEW PHASES, UH, WITH THOSE STRUCTURES.
UM, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BUILD A STRUCTURE TO GET IT COED AND START WORK AND CONTINUOUSLY WORKING ON THE SITE TO OPEN UP THOSE OTHER STRUCTURES.
BUT WE DO, UM, IN, IN THE DESIGN AND HOW IT'S LAID OUT, UH, WE DO FILL OUT THOSE, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PHASED, IT'LL BE A QUICK PHASED, UH, PROGRAM FOR THESE APARTMENTS.
UM, HERE'S SOME OF, THERE ARE MANY CONCEPTS I'M SHOWING WHAT, UH, SOME OF THEIR AMENITIES ON THE INSIDE COMMUNITY ROOM, DEMO KITCHEN, UM, CO-WORKING SPACES.
UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED DOG PARK THAT ARE HA UH, THAT THEY WERE AMENITIZE SITE WITH.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED THEM WITH ALL OF THEIR AMENITIES OR WE, WE HAD THEM TRY JUSTIFY THE SIZES FOR THE AMENITIES.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE FOCUSED ON, WAS THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT PROVIDING A DOG PART TO GET A CHECK ON THE, UH, CHECKLIST.
THEY WERE PROVIDING A DOG PART THAT WAS, THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
UH, SAME WITH THE SWIMMING POOL AND ALL OF THE OTHER AMENITIES THAT THEY, THEY MET THE NEEDS OF THE ACTUAL, UH, PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE, THAT THEY WERE BIG ENOUGH FOR THOSE.
UH, AN EXAMPLE OF THE FITNESS ROOM, UH, INFRARED SAUNA.
UM, I HEARD THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU.
UM, LAWN GAMES, VARIETY OF DIFFERENT AMENITIES GOING THROUGHOUT.
UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING A LOT IN A MULTIFAMILY THAT ARE THESE PET YARDS, UH, THEY'RE INCLUDING THAT AS PART OF THEIR GROUND LEVEL APARTMENTS WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE.
UM, PUTTING GREENS, UM, SWIMMING POOLS, ET CETERA.
WHEN WE, MEL NOTICES ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET, ZERO CAME BACK IN FAVOR ZERO CAME BACK IN OPPOSITION.
UH, WHEN THIS WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION IN AUGUST, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH A FIVE OH VOTE.
AND STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UM, WITH FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
I KNOW THAT THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE, BUT WHERE ARE WE AT ON PROHIBITING ON-STREET PARKING? SO, UM, THE WAY WE WOULD, IT, IT'S HARD TO PROHIBIT ON STREET PARKING THROUGH A PD.
UM, I WOULD NEVER ADVOCATE THAT AS A MECHANISM TO RESTRAIN PARKING.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A PROCESS THAT WE'D GO THROUGH THE STREETS PUTTING UP SIGNS, UM, TO PREVENT ON-STREET PARKING IN THOSE FASHIONS.
SO WE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO HAVE A CONCERN ON.
WHEN WE WORKED WITH THEM, THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WE LET THEM KNOW ABOUT QUITE A BIT.
SO THE DESIGN OF THEIR LAYOUT OF THE BUILDINGS, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT ALL ACCOUNTED FOR, TRYING TO PREVENT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THIS, WITH THAT EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEX, UH, BEHIND THE HOME DEPOT.
COULD, COULD WE NOT ELIMINATE THE ISSUE BY NOT REQUIRING ALL THE GARAGE APARTMENT OR THE GARAGES THAT DON'T EVER GET RENTED AND THEY SIT THERE UNUSED AND TAKE AWAY THE PARKING THAT WE NEED IN THE COMPLEX? BECAUSE YOU GO DOWN THERE BY THOSE OTHERS THAT ARE ON RVG AND ALL ALONG THERE AND THEY'RE PARKED ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD HAS A NO PARKING SIGN, THE OTHER SIDE DOESN'T.
BUT YOU LOOK OVER AND YOU SEE THOSE GARAGES AND I TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THOSE PLACES AND THEY SAY, NO, THEY DON'T GET USED.
AND THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE PARKING IN THE STREET.
I MEAN, UM, THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE, IF COUNSEL, UH, WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NOT ALLOWING FOR GARAGES AT THIS LOCATION, UM, THAT COULD DEFINITELY BE PART OF YOUR MOTION IS TO ELIMINATE ALL GARAGES OR TO ALLOW FOR A DECREASE IN THE ADDITIONAL GARAGES.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT WHEN WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT REGARDING PARKING AND AVOIDING ON STREET PARKING, UH, THAT WE COULD THROUGH THE PD, UM, NOT ONLY DID WE LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE OF ONE REASON GO AHEAD AND, BUT IT WAS ALSO, UM, PROVIDING FOR THE NUMBER OF SPACES, ET CETERA, ON THE SITE.
AND SOMETHING WE DID HAVE THEM DO AS WELL IS THEY DID PROVIDE PARKING.
AND ONE THING WE ASKED THEM TO DO IS, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE AT YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS? SURE.
AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE WHY THIS IS ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THE SITE.
SECOND QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS LOOKING AT THESE ROADS THAT ARE GONNA GO BY THERE, I SEE THAT IT SHOWS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK IT IS? I THINK IT'S A DITCH OR AN ALLEY
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THAT EVERYBODY USES AS A STREET AND IT SHOWS THAT BEING CONVERTED INTO A REAL STREET.BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT JUST GOES UP THERE TO THE DRAINAGE FOR THE YMCA PAST THAT CLOSER UP TOWARDS 77, WHERE THAT'S MALL ROUNDABOUT IS AND ALL THAT.
HOW'S THAT THAT GONNA IMPROVE SO THAT THE TRAFFIC FROM THIS THING? 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL GONNA GO TO YMCA DRIVE, RIGHT.
THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA GO THAT WAY.
THAT'S VERY SMALL AND THAT LITTLE ROUNDABOUTS VERY SMALL.
ARE WE DOING ANYTHING THERE TO, IT'S PRIVATELY, SO YEAH, SO RIGHT HERE, THIS PORTION OF THE ROAD THAT YOU CAN SEE, MARK, THIS IS ALL PRIVATE ROAD, ALL OF NORTHTOWN BOULEVARD AND COMING UP HERE ROUNDABOUT AND THIS BRIDGE, UM, WE HAVE MET WITH THE OWNERS OF THE PRIVATE ROAD, WHICH IS, UM, THE AVENUE CHURCH.
THAT'S WHO'S SELLING THIS LAND, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND SO WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT, SO IF THEY WANT IT TO HAPPEN, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIX THE ROAD, RIGHT? AND SO, SO WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO SEE IF TO MAKE THAT PUBLIC, UM, LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD BEING CONVERTED INTO PUBLIC.
UM, SO THERE WOULD BE SOME CORE TESTING TO BE DONE ON THIS ROAD.
UM, AN ENGINEER WOULD, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT WHAT CONDITION THIS, UH, BRIDGE IS IN RIGHT HERE.
UM, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS PROPERTY, THEY ARE BUILDING A ROAD THAT MEETS OUR STANDARDS, UH, THE LENGTH OF THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, THAT WOULD STOP AT THIS PRIVATE ROAD.
THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM IT CREATES FOR THE CITIZENS AND FOR ALL THE OTHER TRAFFIC THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
THAT LEAVES A PROBLEM AND A HEADACHE FOR THE CITY TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH AFTER THE FACT.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD WORK INTO THE DEAL WHEN WE DO IT BEFORE WE APPROVE ALLOWING IT, EVEN IF IT IS A PUBLIC PRIVATE COOPERATION OR DEAL TO GET IT DONE BUT NOT ALLOW, I MEAN, HOW MANY APARTMENT UNITS DID YOU SAY THIS IS? UH, 304 TEAM DOING IT.
SO ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT, BUT 600 TO A THOUSAND, PROBABLY 620 IS WHAT I'D ESTIMATE IF YOU DID.
SO WE'RE JUST ADDING A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.
I I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT.
MY POINT IS THE, WE ALREADY GET SLAMMED CONSTANTLY ABOUT TRAFFIC AND I SEE THAT CREATING AT LEAST ON THAT POINT UP TO THE, I GUESS THAT'S THE WEST NO, THAT'S THE EAST CREATING MORE OF A TRAFFIC ISSUE SO THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK SINCE THE AVENUE OWNS THAT AND THEY OWN THE LAND AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THIS, EVEN IF, LIKE I SAID, EVEN IF IT'S A PARTNERSHIP, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT TO GET IT DONE, BUT WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT AFTER THE FACT.
SO WE DO TOO MANY THINGS AFTER THE FACT.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IN ACTIVE COMMUNICATION WITH THE OWNERS ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THAT THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THAT AND HOW TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WORKING ON IT FOR I I SIX MONTHS NOW.
IS THERE SOMEONE HERE THAT CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THIS COME ON UP QUESTIONS? YEAH.
GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UM, AND I AM, UH, TARRELL REAL ESTATE AND I AM WORKING WITH BOTH THE AVENUE AND HP TO HELP BRING THIS PROJECT HERE TOGETHER.
SO AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE TURNABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE TRENT SAID, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR A WHILE NOW WITH THE BOTH THE CHURCH AND UH, HP ON HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THIS AND WITH THE CITY.
SO IT SEEMS AS OF NOW EVERYTHING IS VERY FAVORABLE TO, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES, WHICH IS A, THAT'S REALLY NOT A TURNABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT AS IT EXISTS IS A LANDSCAPE DESIGN THAT'S REALLY AWKWARD FOR ALL OF US THAT UTILIZE THAT ALLEYWAY,
SO, UM, THE CHURCH IS AWARE OF THAT AND WE ARE LOOKING INTO WHAT IT MIGHT TAKE TO AT LEAST AT MINIMUM, UH, MAKE THAT, UH, PROPER INTERSECTION TO SOME DEGREE.
UM, THE, THE, UH, HP HAS BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND, AND OFFERED, UH, SOME RESOURCES TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THESE ROADS ARE ADEQUATE.
UH, AND THAT BRIDGE IS BUILT ADEQUATELY.
THE, UH, THE JIM MCDILL DESIGNED THAT BRIDGE, HOW MANY EVER YEARS AGO, UH, A NATURAL OVER DESIGNER AND, YOU KNOW, EXCESSIVE ENGINEER.
SO WE RIGHT NOW ALL THE STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN AND THE EXPECTATION IS THAT TO TO BE A PROPER, UM, YOU KNOW, THOROUGHFARE, WHETHER IT'S PRIVATELY HELD BY THE CHURCH, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT'S AT OR WHETHER IT, YOU KNOW, IS CONVEYED TO THE CITY.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT THAT MANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ARE, ARE BEING RESOLVED, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM? ABSOLUTELY.
AS A CITY COUNCILMAN, TO ME IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE FOR US TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT, OKAY, IT MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT WE HAVE NO TEETH TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
YEAH, WELL, I I CAN TAKE MY SKIDS, STEER THROUGH IT,
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YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET IT APPROVED, IF THAT HELPSI DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT SOLUTION.
AND I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING FORWARD AND LETTING KNOW EXACTLY.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE ALL THROUGHOUT THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF TALKS HAVE HAVE, YOU KNOW, KICKED AROUND, HEY, THIS IS COMING AND, AND THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND IT AFFECTS ME EVERY DAY THAT I, YOU KNOW, DRIVE THROUGH THIS CIRCLE.
UH, AND, AND I THINK IT AFFECTS MOST OF US WHEN YOU GET UP TO THAT AND YOU GET A LITTLE CONFUSED ON WHO'S YIELDING AND WHAT'S THE STOP AND WHERE DOES THAT GO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNSEL? MADAM MAYOR? NOT A QUESTION, BUT JUST A STATEMENT WORKING ON THIS FOR SIX MONTHS AND THINGS LOOK GOOD AND WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW UP ON WHAT COUNCILMAN WRIGHT SAYS.
I'M NOT FUZZY WITH THIS AND, AND, AND, AND FRANKLY I THINK IT IS I RESPONSIBLE FOR US TO CONSIDER THIS PROJECT WHEN THIS IS OF SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS OF GREAT IMPORTANCE, ESPECIALLY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU COULDN'T RESOLVE SOMETHING IN SIX MONTHS IF THERE'S A TRUE EFFORT TO GET IT DONE.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THIS.
I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE THE ONE TO CONFIRM THIS WITH.
UM, I THINK OUR STAFF CAN PROBABLY HELP HERE.
BUT, AND IF I'M WRONG, SAY WHEN, UH, THE AVENUE WAS REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT THIS ROADWAY ALONG THEIR PROPERTY LINE TO CONNECT TO THE ESSENTIAL WASHOUT DITCH, CORRECT.
UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IT WAS CONSTRUCTED TO CITY STANDARDS AT THAT TIME.
I UNFORTUNATELY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE ON STAFF HAVE ANY IDEA? SO SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEN IS, IS THE, IS THE BRIDGE CONSTRUCTED TO STANDARDS, IS THE 'CAUSE BECAUSE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THEY ARE BUILDING A NEW ROAD, UH, TR IF YOU DON'T MIND SHOWING THEM WHERE THE, FROM THE BRIDGE.
SO THE, THE, THE DRAINAGE DITCH WON'T BE USED.
I'M, I'M, I'M SAYING THE WHAT, WHAT THE AVENUE BUILT ORIGINALLY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY FROM WHATEVER THAT'S CALLED NORTH TOWN.
YEAH, NO, AND, AND AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEDGE OF, OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT, IT IS DONE PRIVATELY.
SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME, SOME UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WAS A PRIVATE ACCESS.
I DON'T THINK, UM, TO HIS POINT, THE, THE LANDSCAPED AREA NOR THE CURVATURE OF THE ROAD RIGHT THERE AND, AND ACTUALLY SPEAKING TO THE CHURCH, IT WAS DESIGNED TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.
I DON'T THINK BY, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, UM, THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD MEET OUR STANDARDS.
SO WITH THIS NEW ROAD, CARS WILL NOT BE DRIVING OVER THE EXISTING BRIDGE THAT'S THERE NOW, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A TO BE DETERMINED SITUATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CHURCH.
SEAN MAY ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE MORE CLARITY ON THAT THAN I CERTAINLY DO.
UM, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CORE BACK YET TO CONFIRM THAT THAT WAS TO THE DESIGN AND MET CITY STANDARDS.
IT IS OUR BELIEF AND IT IS JIM MC DI'S BELIEF THAT HE OVER-ENGINEERED THAT AND THAT IT EXCEEDS, AT LEAST AT THAT TIME, THE CITY STREETS AND STANDARDS.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT BACK YET.
THE, I THINK THE OVERALL INTENTION WILL BE TO EITHER, UH, ENSURE THAT THAT MEETS STANDARDS OR IS REMAIN PRIVATE, UH, WHICH THE CHURCH ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT TURNAROUND TO, TO MAKE THIS WORK.
I I DO KNOW THAT IN HP'S REQUEST, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BUILD IT IN TO ACCOMPLISH BOTH H THIS BEING A REQUEST BY HP.
UM, AND IT JUST DOESN'T COVER THAT PARTICULAR SIDE.
AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH TWO SEPARATE OWNERSHIP PARTIES HERE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT YOU'RE NOT IMMEDIATELY SEEING THAT INVOLVED IN THIS IS THAT HP IS ONLY GOING UP TO THE BRIDGE AND NOW WE'RE HAVING A SEPARATE CONVERSATION WITH THE CHURCH ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THIS.
YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SIMULTANEOUS, BUT NOT THROUGH THE SAME REQUEST.
'CAUSE WE CAN AGREE, AND JORDAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, WE CAN AGREE THAT WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, UH, IS NOT FEASIBLE FOR TRAFFIC TODAY.
WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FLAT TIRES AND OH, ABSOLUTELY.
THROUGH THE DRAINAGE DITCH AND NO ONE IS MAINTAINING THAT.
AND IF THE OVERALL CONCERN IS PUBLIC SAFETY,
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THEN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS A, IS DEFINITELY THE BIGGEST DISASTER.UH, HP'S COMING IN AND BRINGING IN A ROAD TO OUR STANDARDS ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT BRIDGE AND ACROSS TO AND EXTENDING YMCA.
SO IF YOU LOOK ON THAT MAP WHERE THAT BLUE LINE IS, IT, IT'S, IT, IT'S NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE TO ASSUME THAT THAT'S THE ROAD.
THE ROAD ACTUALLY GOES, UM, JUST NORTH OF THE EXISTING CHURCH OFFICE AND WILL COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN AND LEAVE THAT DRAINAGE DITCH OUT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'LL REMOVE THAT FROM BEING CAPABLE OF DRIVEN ON ANYMORE.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET, UH, A ROAD BUILT TO CITY STANDARDS INSIDE THIS PLAN.
SO IS IT SAFE TO, AND MAYBE I'M JUST CONFUSED HERE.
ONCE YOU GET TO THAT BRIDGE, IF THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD OF THE BRIDGE IS YEAH.
BUT WOULD THAT BE BLOCKED OFF TO WHERE THE PEOPLE CAN'T GO THAT WAY? I, I THINK THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT CONFIRMED, AND AGAIN, SEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THE CHAIR.
I, I'M NOT REALLY PARTY DIRECT TO EXACTLY WHAT'S BEEN PLANNED BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CHURCH OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, WHEN YOU LEAVE THAT BRIDGE.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CORING THAT CONFIRMING THAT IT DOES MEET STANDARDS AND THEN CONSIDERING A, A A A RELEASE TO THE CITY ONCE WE CONFIRM I'M AS GUILTY AS EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM, TAKING THAT FROM COMING OFF OF 77 AND GOING THAT BACK WAY.
NOW I, AND IF IT'S, AND IF IT'S NOT WANT THAT CONNECTION, I DO IT.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, EVEN IF IT'S A CITY CHURCH HP COLLABORATION TO MAKE THAT A GOOD ROAD THAT WE CAN TRAVEL THROUGH BECAUSE IT IS ANOTHER WAY OFF OF 77.
HE ACTUALLY WAS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CHURCH.
I DUNNO IF YOU GUYS WANT, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE HAVE LOOKED INTO, AND OUR PLAN IS TO PUT UP BOLLARDS ON THE DRAINAGE WAY TO KEEP IT FROM BEING A DRIVEWAY.
NOW THERE IS A BUSINESS CLOSER TO YMCA ABOUT WHERE, WELL, THE POINTER JUST WAS A SECOND AGO.
IF YOU'LL JUST MOVE TO YOUR RIGHT JUST A LITTLE BIT RIGHT THERE.
THAT HAS A BACK ENTRANCE TO THERE.
SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE'D HAVE TO LEAVE IT OPEN TO THAT POINT IN ORDER TO CONTINUE GIVING THEM ACCESS.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF BALLARDS AT ALL.
THERE'LL BE A WAY THAT WE CAN CLOSE THIS.
WELL, THE REASON WE, WE TALKED ABOUT BOLLARDS IS AGAIN, THAT'S A DRAINAGE WAY.
SO WE CAN'T PUT UP LIKE JERSEY BARRIERS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A WALL TYPE.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT A FAN OF CLOSING IT.
I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE BEEN USING THIS DRAINAGE WAY SINCE I LEARNED TO DRIVE 20 YEARS AGO.
BUT IF WE HAVE A ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OFFICE, WE NEED TO CLOSE THIS DRAINAGE WAY AS FAR AS THE DRIVEWAY.
SO QUESTION ON THE CHURCH SIDE.
UM, THAT AUXILIARY BUILDING RIGHT HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, THAT, THAT IS THE OFFICES THAT WE'VE YES.
AND DO Y'ALL STILL NEED THOSE OFFICES WITH THE EXPANSION? THAT'S, YES.
UM, MARK MILLER, UM, EXECUTIVE PASTOR AT THE AVENUE CHURCH.
I'VE BEEN HERE 15 YEARS, SO I WASN'T HERE WHEN THIS BRIDGE WAS BUILT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE SPECS ON THAT, BUT I DO BELIEVE IT WAS OVERBUILT.
AND SO I'LL SPEAK FIRST TO THE DRAINAGE DITCH.
UH, THAT IS A VERY, UH, USED, UH, BY OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, BY OUR SCHOOLS, BY CITIZENS, BY MYSELF.
UH, THIS SUMMER I, I CHANGED FOUR FLAT TIRES, NOT OF MY OWN CARS, BUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S CARS.
AND SO I'D LOVE TO ADDRESS THAT.
I THINK THAT THE PROJECT DOES ADDRESS THAT BY BRINGING A ROAD TO THE NORTH, UH, SIDE OF THE OFFICE.
THE OFFICE DOES HAVE ABOUT 35 PEOPLE IN IT.
WE ARE PLANNING TO USE THAT AS LONG AS WE CAN.
IF WE WANT TO, UH, TALK ABOUT FUTURE THINGS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SET, BUT WE STILL ARE USING THAT TO ITS FULLEST EXTENT.
UM, IT HAS ABOUT 20 PARKING SPOTS.
ALL 20 OF THOSE ARE USED BY OUR STAFF.
AND SO THIS PROJECT IS EXCITING FOR US BECAUSE I HAVE, UH, AN OFFICE THAT HAS WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS, THIS ROAD.
AND SO I SEE THE TRAFFIC TODAY.
I, I SAW A HAY BILLER, UH, MAKING A WIDE RIGHT TURN AND IT ALMOST, YOU KNOW, TOOK OUT SOMEBODY, 'CAUSE THAT'S A HAY FIELD RIGHT NOW AS WELL.
AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT, UM, ADDRESSED.
AS FAR AS MARKETPLACE BOULEVARD, THAT'S THE PLACE, UM, WHERE BUFFALO WILD WINGS AND BEST WESTERN ARE, ARE SPLIT.
THAT HAS A NAME ON IT, ON THE STREETLIGHTS MARKETPLACE BOULEVARD.
THE AVENUE CHURCH WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DEEDING THAT OVER TO THE CITY IF THAT'S THE BEST INTEREST, UH, OF THE, THE CITIZENS OF WAXAHATCHEE TO MAKE THE PROPER ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT CITY.
IF WE WANTED TO TAKE OUT THE, UH, LANDSCAPE, UH, ROUNDABOUT, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT.
THAT IS NOT A SACRED SPACE FOR US.
UH, IF WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, THIS, THIS PAST WEEKEND WE HAD ABOUT A A THOUSAND C TENS IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND, UM, WE ARE INTERESTED IN DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW RIGHT THERE.
WE THINK THIS IS A BETTER SOLUTION, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH AN ACTUAL ROAD AND THEN DEEDING THAT ROAD OVER TO THE CITY.
I THINK THERE'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT SEAN JUST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT DITCH A LOT.
AND I DID NOT REALIZE, ADMITTEDLY IN FRONT OF A MAN OF GOD AND EVERYBODY ELSE, UM,
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DISCUSSING.IT, IT'S A TOTALLY NEW, SO WHY THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE, SO THEN THAT IS THE ACCESS POINT TO YMCA DRIVE AND THAT DOES ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
SO ON THIS SITE PLAN RIGHT HERE IS THE BRIDGE, THE DRAINAGE DITCH COMES DOWN LIKE THIS.
I DID KNOW AND THE ROAD CURVES UP LIKE THIS AND THEN YMCA, BUT THE ROAD DOES CONNECT TO THE BRIDGE, CORRECT.
BUT NOT THE DRAINAGE DITCH, CORRECT? NO, NOT THE DRAINAGE DITCH.
JUST THE BRIDGE AND FROM THE BRIDGE TO 77 IS THE PART I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO THE ROAD WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS COMING UP PAST THE DITCH UP CURVES AND THEN KIND OF LINES UP WITH YMCA DRIVE AND COMES UP.
THAT'S NOT YMCA DRIVE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S YMCA DRIVE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
AND YOU GUYS WILL BE MAKING THE CONNECTION TO WHERE DO YOU GO TO YMCA? CORRECT.
I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXTENDING YMCA CORRECT BICYCLE.
SO YEAH, PATRICK AND, AND THESE GUYS PROBABLY HAVE BETTER NUMBERS.
DUSTIN, WILL YOU GET UP? THANK YOU.
YEAH, THESE GENTLEMEN PROBABLY HAVE BETTER NUMBERS, BUT YMCA DRIVES, UH, BEING EXTENDED TO A CUL-DE-SAC JUST PAST, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE END OF THIS SO THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THE REMAINING SPACE THAT THE CHURCH OWNS.
SO, UM, YMCA DRIVES BEING EXTENDED, I MEAN, SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET, AND THEN A NEW ROAD IS GOING TO BE BUILT WHERE THAT DRAINAGE DITCH, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OFFICE SPACE, THAT DRAINAGE DITCH WILL STILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE, BE UTILIZED TO DRAIN WATER.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BLOCKADE COMES FROM IS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THAT FOR DRAINAGE.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE ROAD ITSELF WILL BE A WHOLE NEW EXTENSION IN ROAD.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, THE SECONDARY CONCERN OF THE TURNABOUT, I, I DO BELIEVE THE CHURCH IS WORKING AND LIKE MARK'S SAYING TO, TO ADDRESS THAT SO THAT WE CAN TURN THAT OVER TO THE CITY.
AND, AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MEETS CITY STANDARDS OF ROAD, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THAT TURNABOUT WOULD BE REMOVED AT THAT TIME.
AND THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING, IS WE YEAH, SIR.
TOGETHER, HOWEVER WE GOTTA WORK IT SO THAT, 'CAUSE IT'LL HELP 77, IT'LL HELP ACCESS TO AND FROM THE APARTMENTS.
AND WE NEED EVER HELP WE CAN GET ON 77.
UM, I KIND OF REQUESTED THIS A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, BUT DID, DID, DID WE ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF RENAMING THAT ROADWAY TO INCLUDE IN THIS PRESENTATION? I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE NOTES.
UH, THE NORTHTOWN BOULEVARD? NO, THE CURRENT, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED COMMERCE DRIVE THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE AVENUE CHURCH, MARKETPLACE BOULEVARD.
THAT THE, WE MADE THE PRIVATE, THAT WE MADE THE PRIVATE OWNER OF THE LAND NAMED THE ROAD.
WE HAVE NOT, SINCE IT'S STILL PRIVATELY OWNED, WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE NAMING PROCESS.
SO THIS ISN'T AN OFFICIAL, THIS NORTHTOWN BOULEVARD NAME ISN'T THE OFFICIAL NAME.
NO, IT'S NOT THAT ONE THAT WE'RE IT'S THE, THE ONE THAT INTERSECTS IT.
WHERE THE, WHERE THE, WHERE THE BRIDGE IS.
NO, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET.
WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT IF AND WHEN IT'S CONFIRMED THAT THE, THE ROADS ARE BUILT TO CITY STANDARDS AND THE AVENUE WANTS TO TURN 'EM OVER TO THE CITY AND THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE 'EM OVER, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND TALKING WITH CHURCH LEADERSHIP, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE DIRECTIONS OF THE ELDERS.
AND I DON'T WANNA PUT ANY WORDS IN Y'ALL'S MOUTH OR ANYTHING, MARK, IF YOU CAN RESPEAK ON THAT.
BUT, UH, THEY WANTED TO ADDRESS THE APARTMENT ISSUE FIRST AND THEN, UH, THE NAMING OF THE STREETS AND SO FORTH LATER.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT BRINGS US TO
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COUNSEL, UM, TRENTON AND SEAN, CAN WE GET, JUST SO IT'S ON THE RECORD, UM, AND WE GET AHEAD OF IT, CAN WE LOOK AT THREE NAME OPTIONS FOR THAT ROADWAY FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION, IF THAT DOES COME FORWARD? UM, AND THIS IS FROM THE CHURCH, UH, AVENUE WAY COMMUNITY CROSSING AND LEGACY DRIVE, WHICH I DON'T THINK LEGACY AVENUE WAY WON'T WORK 'CAUSE OF NAMING CONVENTIONS.
BUT WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, THOSE OTHER, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE THREE LINES ARE KIND OF IN LIKE THE BALLPARK OF THOSE.
I THINK WE, WE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT LEGACY WAY, THERE'S LEGACY RANCH ROAD, NOT VERY FAR FROM THERE.
THAT MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC TOO.
WE, WE'VE GOTTEN THOSE NOTES AND I'LL PASS 'EM ALONG THE CITY STAFF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH WISHES AND WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK TO 'EM AND SAY, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE? OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, BUT IT HAS BEEN PASSED ALONG TO IT.
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THE THING BEFORE SOMEBODY THROWS A MOTION OUT THERE.I STILL THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WE GET THIS, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AT THAT ROAD NAILED DOWN THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING DONE TO THAT ROAD IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW IT.
I WANT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX TO BE BUILT.
I HAD SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'D RATHER HOLD THOSE OFF ANYWAY.
BUT THAT TRAFFIC THING IS AN ISSUE WHERE THAT ROAD IS TO ME, AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN STONE.
I MEAN, IF THAT MEANS IT'S, WE GOTTA HAVE A MONTH TO FIGURE IT OUT, OR WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE MONTHS TO FIGURE OUT, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT ROAD AND NOT SAY, OKAY, WELL WE'LL APPROVE THIS AND WE'LL LOOK AT THAT ROAD.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE DRAINAGE DITCH IS? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE BRIDGE IS TO THE NORTH TO 77, HOW IT'S GONNA CONNECT WHERE IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE A ROUNDABOUT, BUT IT'S NOT.
AND THAT, AND I WANNA REITERATE, THAT WAS MY POINT AS WELL, FOLLOWING WHAT COUNCILMAN WRIGHT'S SAYING.
I THINK IT'S A TERRY QUESTION.
SAME, UM, BEING AS THIS IS TOO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, ALL THE PROPERTY CURRENT THAT IN QUESTION IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE CHURCH, BUT BEING AS THE DEVELOP THE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE JUST SELLING THE PROPERTY TO THAT, HOW WOULD WE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT'S, HOW DO YOU GET THERE TO PUT SOME TYPE OF A, OF A RESTRICTION OR, OR A WE HAVE TO GET THIS PART DONE BEFORE WE CAN DO THAT PART.
IS THAT EVEN, AM I MAKING SENSE? WELL, I THINK WE'D HAVE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME AGREEMENT OF SOME SORT THAT'D BE ENFORCEABLE.
WHETHER IT BE THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH SOME TYPE OF ZONING STIPULATION, WHATEVER.
I, UH, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE MOVING PARTS, BUT IF, IF THE GOAL IS TO GET THAT HAMMERED OUT, I THINK WE PROBABLY WOULD NEED TO TAKE SOME TIME TO HAMMER THAT OUT IN ADVANCE OF APPROVING SOMETHING.
SO THERE WOULD BE AN ENFORCEABILITY COMPONENT.
WELL, I AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN SUITER THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT BRINGS ME PAUSE.
I HAVE, I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WON'T BE BROUGHT TO FRUITION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT IT, IF I WOULDN'T BE DOING MY JOB, IF I DIDN'T ENSURE THAT THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A, IT'S, IT'S, PEOPLE ARE GONNA TRAVEL THAT THOROUGHFARE, WHETHER, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM THE BRIDGE OUT TO 77, MORE SPECIFICALLY FROM THE BRIDGE TO THE, TO THE PLANTER, THE, THE LANDSCAPE, UH, CIRCLE TERRY, WITH, WITH, WITH THAT BEING CURRENTLY STILL A PRIVATE ROAD, UM, BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE DOES GIVE ME PAUSE.
I DON'T THINK A LOT NEEDS TO CHANGE TO IT TO MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S COMPLIANT, BUT IT DOES GIVE ME DEPOSIT, ITS CURRENT FORM, BUT THAT IS ALSO PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T REQUEST SOMEONE TO MAKE CHANGES TO PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, NO, WE DOES, DOES, DOES WHAT NEED TO HAPPEN? DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE CORE SAMPLING COME BACK TO BE COMPLIANT THERE AND SHOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND THEN THE NEXT STEP BE THAT ROADWAY DEDICATED TO THE CITY SO THAT IT'S PUBLIC AND THEN HAVING THE PD FOR THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
I MEAN, NORMALLY THAT WOULD GO INTO SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH A, WITH A, A TIMING COMPONENT.
SO THERE, THERE ARE STEPS TO TAKE TO, TO GET, TO GET WHERE YOU NEED TO GET.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, JUST MY EXPERIENCE AS A GENERAL RULE, TRYING TO WORK ALL THAT OUT TONIGHT, IT WOULD BE KIND OF DIFFICULT TO DO SINCE THERE ARE OTHER PARTIES INVOLVED.
SO WHETHER IT'S THROUGH COMING BACK WITH A MORE DETAILED OR A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR COMING BACK WITH DIFFERENT STIPULATIONS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE ITSELF, THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THE THING WE'D PROBABLY AGREE UPON, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE, HAVE A PROJECT WHERE SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK AND THE WHOLE PROJECT FAILS BECAUSE SOMETHING HASN'T WORKED, WORKED OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT MAY BE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, COUNCIL, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR COUNCIL, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS THAT COUNCIL SUPPORTS THIS.
WE JUST HAVE A, UH, AN ISSUE, UH, WITH MOVING THAT TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY TO 77 IF, IF THE TRAFFIC SO CHOOSES TO GO THAT WAY.
UH, IF WE WERE TO, UH, GIVE THIS THING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, COULD THAT
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ISSUE BE RESOLVED WITH A PLAN, UH, WHETHER IT BE TO REMOVE THAT, UH, ORNAMENTAL DEAL THERE IN THE, THE TRAFFIC SUPPOSED CIRCLE KIND OF CIRCLE, UH, COULD THAT, UH, BE RESOLVED, UH, IF WE GAVE THIS THING SOME MORE TIME? MARK, YOU CAN COME UP AND SPEAK TO THAT.YEAH, A LOT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE HAPPENED O OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO GET SOMETHING RESOLVED AND THEN IN AGREEMENT, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY IN THE, THE NEXT FEW DAYS IF WE COULD.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, LET GO OF THAT OR MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE NEED TO.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL EITHER, BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU, YOU GUYS WERE PRESENTING THINGS TO THE COUNCIL, I THINK YOU'D GET SOMETHING DONE.
IS THE MAIN CONCERN THE, UH, THE CURVATURE OF IT OR THE WIDTH OF IT, OR WHAT WOULD BE THE MAIN CONCERN OF, OF THE ROAD THAT IT LOOKS LIKE ONE CONTINUOUS ROAD.
THE RENEWABLE OF THE, OF THE LANDSCAPE CIRCLE FIRST AND FOREMOST.
AND THEN WITH IT BEING A PRIVATE ROAD, I, I MEAN, I WOULD ONLY, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE TOO NARROW FOR A NORMAL TWO-LANE.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE A TRAFFIC CIRCLE LIKE ON SY COLEMAN.
LIKE, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT, YOU JUST NEED TO MOVE IT UP.
THEY COULDN'T MOVE IT UP BECAUSE NORTHTOWN ISN'T PRIVATE, THAT'S PUBLIC.
SO IT MADE THE WHOLE THING KIND OF AWKWARD.
ACTUALLY, NORTHTOWN IS ALSO, WHO THE HECK OWNS THAT? THAT'S THE AVENUE, THE AVENUE BUILT IT.
WE MADE Y'ALL NAME THAT STREET TOO.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S MY, THAT'S GONNA BE MY ONLY POINT.
UM, QUITE FRANKLY, THE AVENUE'S ALREADY BUILT TWO MAJOR ROADWAYS IN HERE.
BUT, AND IF, AND IF IT'S SIMPLY THE PORTION OF THE TURNAROUND, THE TURNABOUT, THAT'S AN EASY FIX I THINK THEY CAN AGREE TO.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
THEY BUILT TWO LONG ROADWAYS AND A BRIDGE.
AND, UM, I, I REALLY THINK TO ASK 'EM TO DO MORE IS, OH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING THE AVENUE.
I I THINK WHEN ONCE, ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT STARTS AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE MOBILIZED IT'S COST MORE TO REMOBILIZE THAN IT DOES TO JUST ADDRESS IT WHILE THEY'RE THERE.
UM, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO TURN THAT INTO A TRAFFIC CIRCLE, A PROPER ONE TO INCLUDE THAT THE INTERSECTION, JUST LIKE AT PESSIE COLEMAN, UH, ONLY THING IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN WITH THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'D BE DIGGING INTO THE HOTEL AND THE, UH, BUFFALO WILD WINGS PROPERTIES.
AND I, I CAN'T SAY SAY DOESN'T THE CHURCH ON THE LAND, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT TO THE SOUTH TOO THOUGH.
DOESN'T THE CHURCH ON THE LAND ON THE SOUTH, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WIDEN OR INCREASE THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE BY GOING INTO THE HOTEL INTO BUFFALO WILD WINGS.
GO INTO THE SOUTH ISN'T GOING TO DO ANY GOOD AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC.
SO YOU GOTTA GET IT INTO THE CENTER OF NORTHTOWN.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S OFF CENTER OF NORTHTOWN.
IT'S TO THE BASICALLY KIND OF THE NORTHWEST, JUST THE WHITE CIRCLE OF NORTHTOWN.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU ASKED ME, I JUST HAD IT GO WHOOP.
OKAY, JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CURVES SINCE, DON'T Y'ALL OWN ALL THAT LAND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD? YES SIR.
I JUST ZIP IT AROUND TO WHERE HE SAID YOU HAVE TO LINE IT UP TO WHERE THEY LINE UP, BUT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE OR WHATEVER WE CALL IN IT COMPLETELY GONE.
AND THEN IT JUST HAS THE RIGHT CURVATURE TO LINE UP WITH THE OTHER ROAD.
AND IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS MR. SMITH'S SAYING HE DOESN'T THINK THAT THE, OR I'M SORRY, MR. BOYD SAYS HE DOESN'T THINK THAT THE CHURCH OUGHT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR DOING THAT, THEN THAT'S PROJECT THAT MAYBE WE HAVE TO DO, LIKE I SAID, AS A CITY WITH, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY, NOT JUST GONNA BENEFIT THOSE APARTMENTS.
IT'S GONNA BENEFIT US HAVING ANOTHER WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET OFF OF.
YEAH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT TOO.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT GETS TRAFFIC OFF OF 77.
SO I THINK THIS IS A KIND OF A DOUBLE TO YOUR POINT.
IT'S BOTH SIDES ARE BENEFITING.
SEAN, I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS CUR, OR, AND DO YOU REMEMBER IF JAMES SAID IT IS OR IS NOT THE CITY STANDARDS ON THE CURVATURE? YEAH, I DON'T RECALL.
AND JAMES DIDN'T HEAR, SO I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR HIM.
I SEEM TO REMEMBER HIM SAYING IT IS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SWEAR TO THAT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT SOME COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO OR SOMETHING.
WELL, I THINK IT'S A VERY, VERY SAFE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY ACCIDENTS.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN MORE ACCIDENTS IN THE PARKING LOT THAN ON THAT ROAD.
SO FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH, WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO MAKE IT A, A GREAT ROAD.
AND IF WHAT HE JUST SAID ABOUT JAMES IS TRUE, THEN ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING THAT CIRCLE AND LINING THAT UP STRAIGHT WITH IT, AND THEN WHATEVER THE LAND, DEDICATION OR DEEDING OR WHATEVER IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
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CIRCLE, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA CAUSE BACKUP ISSUES ONTO 77 AT THE STOPLIGHT.NO MORE THAN THE STOPLIGHT'S GONNA NO, BUT I'M SAYING LIKE STACKING UP WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO CHURCH 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A STOP SIGN AND NOT THE FREE FLOW THROUGH.
I'D BE WILLING TO BET THAT PLATE INTO THE DECISION FOR THAT STOP SIGN.
THERE IS A STOP SIGN COMING, UH, FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST TO THAT, UH, TRAFFIC CIRCLE THERE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER BEHIND THE BEST WESTERN.
THERE IS ONE STOP SIGN AND THEN THERE'S A YIELD SIGN COMING SOUTH, UM, FROM THE CHURCH PARKING LOT.
WHAT WHAT HE'S SAYING IS BY MAKING A TRAFFIC CIRCLE, NOBODY STOPS.
RIGHT? AND IT KEEPS THEM BACK IN THE FULL SECTION.
HOW MUCH DO YOU, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK Y'ALL WOULD NEED, UH, TO COME BACK, UH, WITH A MORE SOLID SOLUTION ABOUT THIS ISSUE THAT, UH, OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED AND PUT IN PLACE FOR COUNSEL TO APPROVE? UM, NOT MUCH TIME.
WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT, UH, MEETING? NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER 5TH.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY.
IF YOU NOT GONNA TAKE ACTION ON THIS, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU CONTINUE IT TO A FUTURE MEETING SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH P AND Z AND SUCH AS THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF OCTOBER 5TH IS ENOUGH TIME, SEAN, TO GET THIS KIND OF HAMMERED OUT.
SO THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THEM BEFORE IS MAKE, UH, CONSTRUCTIONAL ENGINEER GIVING US SOMETHING, SHOWING THE, THE STATUS OF THE BRIDGE AND THEN FINISHING OUT THOSE CORE SAMPLES IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ALONG NORTH HAM BOULEVARD IN THIS PRIVATE DRIVE TO MAKE SURE TO SEE WHAT TO WHAT LEVEL.
SO ONCE THAT'S DONE, I THINK WE WOULD BE FINE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, SPEAKING TO, CAN'T REMEMBER THE PASTOR'S NAME, THE MAIN ONE, DAVID BROWN.
UM, THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A HOLD OF MECHANICAL OR OF A CONSTRUCTIONAL ENGINEER, UM, AND TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT ONE, BE ABLE TO, TO DO THIS.
SO, UM, AND THEN THE BORINGS THAT THEY WERE GONNA DO FOR TESTING, I I, I'D HAVE TO, I THINK THE CITY WOULD BE DOING THE CORING.
WE, WE WOULD PREFER TO DO THE CORING OF THE PRIVATE ROAD.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER PRIVATE ROADS, RIGHT? THAT HAVE GONE PUBLIC IS THE CITY DOES THE CORING, BUT WE'RE, WE HAVE TO WAIT ON THEM FOR THAT.
UM, CONSTRUCTIONAL ENGINEER IF THAT STAMP DOCUMENT.
SO IF WE CONTINUE THIS TO OCTOBER 5TH, IF THERE WERE ISSUES AND Y'ALL NEEDED MORE TIME, Y'ALL COULD LET TRENTON KNOW.
I WOULD JUST, UH, SUBMIT A MEMO TO CONTINUE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT, IF WE ACT, IF WE NEED MORE TIME COUNSEL, Y'ALL GOOD WITH THAT? I'LL TAKE HOW, HOW DOES THAT, WITH THAT I WAS ABOUT TO ASK HOW, HOW DOES THAT HOLD UP WITH Y'ALL? ANY, ANY CLOSING TIMELINES, SALES TIMELINES, GUARANTEED MAXIMUM COST, ANY, ANY OF THOSE THINGS JUMP UP HERE? I, I THINK OCTOBER 5TH WOULD, WOULD BE A FINE TIMELINE.
I MEAN, THAT REALLY DOESN'T PUT US TOO FAR BEHIND ANYTHING.
THE, THE ONLY I GUESS QUESTION HERE WAS WOULD BE, UH, BROADLY DO WE HOPE TO HAVE A RESOLUTION TO TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY? DO WE HA HOPE TO HAVE A RESOLUTION JUST FOR THAT TURNABOUT JUST TO GET A BETTER GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT WE NEED TO TARGET IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS? AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH IS TUG OF WAR.
IT'S KIND OF BEEN A, SHOULD HP NOT GET APPROVAL? THEN WE'RE, WE'RE TURNING OVER A ROAD TO THE CITY THAT ONLY GOES TO A DRAIN.
AND SO THE CITY'S TUG OF WAR IS, WELL, WE DON'T WANT A ROAD THAT JUST GOES TO A DRAIN.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF BEEN MOVING PARTS THAT, JUST TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OF WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN RESOLVED? WELL, WE'RE MOVING VERY POSITIVELY TO THAT, BUT NO, NO, THE CITY DIDN'T REALLY WANNA TAKE IT IF IT, IF IT DIDN'T GET AN EXPANDED ROAD AND THE CHURCH AT THE SAME TIME DIDN'T WANNA LET IT GO, SHOULD HP NOT GET APPROVAL.
AND SO THERE WAS JUST KIND OF MOVING PARTS THAT ARE ALL TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS THIS ONE DIRECTION, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE INSIGHT ON, YOU KNOW, WHY THIS HASN'T BEEN IMMEDIATELY ADDRESSED.
AND I, I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND THAT THIS PORTION OF THIS ITEM BE A, A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, JUST 'CAUSE OF THIS OTHER DEVELOPMENT SO TIED INTO THE MULTI-FAMILY AND THEY WILL BE OWNED BY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS.
AND SO WHEN WE DO COMPORT, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE IT AS A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CHURCH OR H UH, IT WOULD BE THIS, THIS PORTION, THE BRIDGE AND THE, THE PRIVATE NORTH HAM BOULEVARD THAT'D BE WITH AVENUE CHURCH.
AND THEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE AVENUE, OH, WITH THE APARTMENTS.
IWI DON'T WANNA TIE US TO THAT.
UM, BUT THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON THE APPROVAL OF THE APARTMENTS.
AND IF THE APARTMENTS WERE NOT APPROVED, THEN THE CHANGEOVER OF THE OWNERSHIP WOULDN'T BE APPROVED.
BUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE, WITH THE AVENUE CHURCH WOULD THEN SHIFT THE BURDEN OF COST
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AND RESPONSIBILITY TO THE AVENUE CHURCH, WHO, AS CITY OF MAJOR BOYS ALREADY SAID, HAS ALREADY BUILT TWO PRIVATE ROADS THAT WE'RE NOW ASKING FOR, ESSENTIALLY.SO WHY WOULD WE WANT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE AVENUE CHURCH TO PUT FOR THIS PRIVATE ROAD TO BECOME PRIVATE OR BECOME PUBLIC, BUT THEN THAT SHIFT, BUT THEN THAT PUTS, THAT SHIFTS THE BURDEN TO THE AVENUE CHURCH, WHEREAS THE DEVELOPER IS THE ONE THAT'S ADDING TO THE CAPACITY THE DEVELOPER NEEDS.
THE CONNECTSHIP, THE AVENUE CHURCH DOES NOT, WE, WE COULD ADD THE DEVELOPER AS A THIRD PARTY ON IT.
MY CONCERN WOULD BE, I NEED TO REACH OUT TO TERRY, IS THAT THEY HAVE NO OWNERSHIP IN THIS.
WELL, THAT'S OFFITE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE DO, WE WE'VE DONE THAT WITH, WITH, I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT THE MINTO THING.
WE'VE, WE HAVE DONE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, SHIFTING THE BURDEN TO, TO THE AVENUE DOESN'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A CAPACITY OR, OR TRANSPORTATION ISSUE.
YEAH, WE CAN HAVE A SEPARATE AGREEMENT, BUT HAVE THEM AS THE, AS THE PARTY THEN STILL, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST STAY WITH THE PRIMARY DA, UH, HOW WE ADVERTISE THIS AND PUBLIC HEARING AND ALL THAT TO AVOID ANYTHING, UM, CAUSING US TO HAVE TO RE NOTIFY THIS ENTIRE THING.
'CAUSE THE BOUNDARIES, CAN YOU WEIGH IN ON THAT TOO? YEAH, I, IF THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL PARTY TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I DON'T THINK THE ZONING CASE NEEDS TO BE RENO, BUT IT WOULD BE EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COVERS THE NOTIFIED AREA, BUT THEN ALSO EXPANDING IT TO COVER THIS ENTIRE PORTION.
BUT THAT'S AN OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT REZONING THAT PORTION OF IT, SO, RIGHT.
SO I WASN'T, THAT'S WHY I'M REFERRING TO YOU.
I THINK WE'D BE OKAY BECAUSE HAVING A THIRD PARTY WORKING ON A THIRD PARTY ADDITIONAL PARTY TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ZONING.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER PARTY THAT COMES IN TERMS OF THE RECONSTRUCTION OR RECONFIGURATION, WHATEVER THEY DO WITH THE ROADWAY.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO NOTICE THAT THERE, THERE, THERE, THERE COULD BE A NEW PARTY TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WE DON'T NEED TO, THERE'S NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO NOTICE THAT WE JUST KEEP THE SAME ZONING CASE PUSHED OFF FOR TWO WEEKS AND THEN TRY TO GET THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WORKED OUT BETWEEN NOW AND TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE CORE SAMPLING BACK IN TWO WEEKS? DOES THAT HAPPEN? HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE? ANYBODY? MAYBE YOU'LL WORK.
I'M, I, I I'M NOT, I WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH JAMES AND JUSTIN ON THAT.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
IF THERE'S MORE TIME NEEDED, Y'ALL NEED TO WORK WITH TRENTON ON THAT AND REQUEST IT.
BUT I, I THINK FOR TONIGHT, UH, JUST CONTINUING IT TO THE OCTOBER 5TH IS PROBABLY THE BEST THING FOR NOW.
AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR THAT IF COUNSEL'S GOOD WITH IT.
MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO CONTINUE ZDC 54 DASH 2026 TO THE OCTOBER 5TH MEETING.
SELECT ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THAT'LL THEN TAKE US TO ITEM NUMBER
[16. Public Hearing and consider an Order by Council – Article XIII, Substandard Structures – 115 Elder Street ]
16, SINCE THAT ITEM IS CONTINUED A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ORDER BY COUNSEL FOR A SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURE AT ONE 15 ELDER STREET, JASON WATSON.GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UM, JASON WATSON, UH, DIRECTOR OF BUILDING AND COMMUNITY SERVICES.
SO A FEW MONTHS AGO, UH, WE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION A, UH, A STRUCTURE THAT, UH, WE FELT LIKE, UH, NEEDED ADDRESSING.
SO, UH, AN ORDER WAS NOT GIVEN BY COUNSEL IN ORDER TO, UM, TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE THE DEBRIS.
UM, WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THIS TIME TO SEE LIKE WHERE, HOW FAR CAN THE, UH, PROPERTY ORDER GO, GETTING IT CLEANED UP, UH, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE NEEDED TO MAKE AN ORDER.
UM, HAPPY TO, UM, TELL YOU THAT THE SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURE IS NO LONGER SUBSTANDARD NOR A STRUCTURE.
SO NO ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN ON THIS ISSUE.
UM, WE DO, WE DO NEED A MOTION.
MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO TAKE NO ACTION REGARDING A SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURE AT ONE 15 ELDER STREET.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[17. Public Hearing and consider an Order by Council – Article XIII, Substandard Structures – 316 Wyatt ]
ONE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ORDER BY COUNSEL[01:30:01]
FOR ANOTHER SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURE FOR THREE 16 WYATT STREET.UH, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THERE WAS AN ORDER ACTUALLY MADE BY COUNSEL IN ORDER FOR THIS STRUCTURE TO BE, UH, TAKEN DOWN AND REMOVED.
I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN AND BEEN REMOVED.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY, UH, WISHING TO SPEAK ON 16 OR 17.
UH, THAT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.
SO WE'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR 17.
MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ORDERED FOR DEMOLITION AND DEBRIS REMOVAL AT THREE 16 WYATT STREET AND CLOSE THE MATTER WITH NO FURTHER ACTION REQUIRED.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[18. Consider a contract with Key Construction for the reconstruction of the City’s Central Offices located at 820 Ferris Avenue for the Guaranteed Maximum Price of $11,995,085]
IS NUMBER 18.CONSIDER A CONTRACT WITH KEY CONSTRUCTION FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE CITY'S CENTRAL OFFICES LOCATED AT EIGHT 20 FERRIS AVENUE FOR THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE OF 11,995,085.
YEAH, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS ACTUALLY MISPRINTED ON THE AGENDA.
SO THE, THE CORRECT AMOUNT IS THAT YOU GET TO ANNOUNCE THE SAVINGS NOW.
UM, AGAIN, BRINGING THIS BACK AFTER THE AUGUST UH, MEETING, UM, WE WERE ASKED TO DEVELOP OR GET THE 75% PRICE ON CITY HALL, AND YOU WERE RECEIVED THAT ON WEDNESDAY OF LAST WEEK DURING THE WORK SESSION.
UH, JUST BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU AGAIN, 11 7 73, UH, IS A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
THAT DOESN'T EVEN MEAN THAT WE'LL SPEND THAT, UH, THOSE MONIES HAVE BEEN SECURED THROUGH THE BOND SALE AND, UH, JUST SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS CONTRACT SO THAT WE CAN GET STARTED PUTTING THIS BUILDING BACK TOGETHER.
ANY DISCUSSION BY COUNSEL? WE DO NEED RENDERINGS OR DESIGN ELEMENTS OR ANYTHING SUBMITTED.
UH, WELL, WE DIDN'T BRING THE RENDERINGS BACK.
I MEAN, WE'VE SEWN THEM BEFORE.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, INTERIOR FINISHES? YEAH, I'VE, I'VE NOT SEEN ANYTHING ON THE INTERIOR.
I'VE ASKED FOR THE, UH, ARCHITECT TO SEND THEM TO ME, UH, HAVEN'T RECEIVED 'EM YET, AND I'D SHARE 'EM WITH YOU.
AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO, EVEN AFTER THIS, IT'S STILL TIME TO CHANGE OUT SOME THINGS AND SO FORTH.
BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE COUNSEL TO HAVE SOME KIND OF FINAL APPROVAL ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN THE LAYOUT OF IT.
UH, SO I MEAN, THAT PART'S A LITTLE WAY LATE IN THE GAME TO CHANGE, BUT AS FAR AS THE FINISHES, WE CAN CERTAINLY SUPPLY THOSE THINGS.
I BELIEVE, I MEAN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE SENT THE LAYOUTS QUITE SOME TIME AGO, THE LAYOUT.
AND DURING THE WORKSHOP, I ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE, FOR THIS TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS MEETING.
OH, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY THIS MEETING.
I HAVE ASKED THE ARCHITECT TO SEND THEM, BUT I HAVEN'T RECEIVED THEM YET.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS THE OLD COMERICA BUILDING, UH, THAT'S BEEN, UH, BEEN, UH, PURCHASED BY THE CITY.
UH, THERE WILL BE CITY OFFICES, UH, INSIDE THAT BUILDING, UH, TO PROVIDE MANY SERVICES TO THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, WE WILL BE HAVING, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS IN THAT BUILDING, UH, IN THE FUTURE ONCE IT'S FINISHED.
SO IT'LL BE A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY AND, UH, PROVIDE MANY YEARS OF SERVICES, UH, TO OUR CITIZENS.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION BY COUNSEL TERRY.
CAN WE INCLUDE LANGUAGE OF SOME KIND THAT WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, THAT THERE HAS TO BE COUNCIL APPROVAL AND REVIEW OF THE FINAL INTERIOR DESIGN OF THE BUILDING? WE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ACTUAL RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDING.
AS LONG AS THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE DOESN'T CHANGE, WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
BECAUSE THE INTERIOR, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT, I MEAN, THAT WON'T CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
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THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.SO I THINK IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SEPARATE SIGN OFF ON, ON THE INTERIOR LAYOUT AND DESIGN OR WHATEVER, THAT CAN BE A SEPARATE ITEM AND STILL APPROVE THE GMP TONIGHT.
SO DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN A MOTION? IF, IF WE DO WANT THAT? I, I YOU CAN, YOU CAN REQUEST IT BE BROUGHT BACK FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE, BY THE COU, BY THE COUNCIL.
UM, BUT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED THAT TO TO, YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE THE GMP CONTINGENT ON, ON ON THAT THOUGH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
I JUST DON'T WANNA BE SURPRISED LIKE WE WERE WITH THE BEATTY BUILDING AND THE FINISHES AND THE INTERIOR OF THAT, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SEE THAT BEFOREHAND AND THEN WE GOT, WE SAW IT WHEN IT WAS DONE.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE REQUEST WOULD JUST TO BE TO THE, TO, TO RICKY THAT WHEN THOSE COME IN TO PUT THOSE ON AN AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL, OKAY.
THEY CAN'T GET THE FUNDING FOR IT.
IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT, WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE FUNDING RIGHT NOW, NO.
IF WE VOTE ON THIS, THIS ISN'T FOR THE FINISHES.
AND I, THIS IS, AND I WILL SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE GLAD TO SUPPLY THAT WHATEVER YOU WANT.
UH, IF YOU CHANGE THE FINISHES GREATLY, IT COULD VERY EASILY CHANGE THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE PICKING OUT A HOME AND YOU PICK OUT, I DON'T KNOW, STAYING CONCRETE AT FIRST AND THEN YOU CHANGE IT TO TOROSO TILE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S GONNA DRIVE THE PRICE UP AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I'M NOT, UH,
I, AND I, I THINK THAT, UM, HONESTLY, FOR ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WANTS TO, TO KNOW ABOUT THOSE THINGS OR TO SEE THOSE THINGS, UH, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AN OCCASION WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN, UH, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
I KNOW, UM, WITH THE STAFF THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY ALWAYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, FUNDING IN MIND AND, AND NOT BEING FRIVOLOUS WITH TAX DOLLARS.
UH, AND I CAN APPRECIATE MAYOR PRO TEM UH, SMITH'S, UH, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
AND I'M SURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT IF HE WANTS TO KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THE INTERIOR, THAT THAT INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE.
I, I DON'T, I HONESTLY, I, I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY COME ACROSS ANYTHING THAT HASN'T BEEN AVAILABLE.
AND I DON'T, HON I DON'T KNOW OF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAS, I MEAN, THIS, THIS CITY MANAGER'S AN OPEN BOOK AND, UH, HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING TO THE I KNOW, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T TO, TO THE CONTRARY, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOU, I MEAN, JUST LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT A SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY SHOW ALL OF THE RENDERINGS, LIKE, SO IT'S, IT'S VERY PUBLIC, IT'S VERY OPEN.
THERE'S NOT A WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE.
UM, I WOULD WOULD LIKE TO AVOID THAT.
UM, WHEN WE DO FIRE STATIONS, IT'S THE SAME WAY.
LIKE WE HAVE, WE WOULD BE SEEING WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, UM, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT WE'RE APPROVING OTHER THAN THE BUILDING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
AND THEN REPLACING THE WINDOWS AND THE FLOOR PLAN.
AND IF WE AREN'T SEEING IT, THE PUBLIC ISN'T SEEING IT.
AND THAT, THAT LEAVES UNANSWERED QUESTIONS OF IT.
IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GO THAT DIRECTION, AND I'M, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT ARGUING, ARGUING OR FIGHTING WITH THAT OR ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK WE NEED TO BRING THIS BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, WISE TO PASS THE GUARANTEE MAXIMUM PRICE.
AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS ALL WE WANT TO CHANGE SEVERAL THINGS AND THEN WE PASS ONE PRICE AND IT BECOMES ANOTHER.
I I, UM, I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR WHEN IT COMES TO THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE HAD HOUSES BUILT.
I'VE BEEN IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT WE'VE HAD BUILT.
I'VE BEEN IN KMART STORES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
WE HAVE BUILT AND THE RENDERINGS AND ALL THAT NEVER LOOK LIKE WHAT THEY GIVE TO YOU.
IT NEVER LOOKS LIKE WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE WHEN THEY GET FINISHED.
UH, DON'T PRETEND TO BE AN EXPERT INTERIOR DESIGNER OR PERSON ON THEIR THING.
AND THE MAXIMUM PRICE IS GONNA COVER UP TO A MAXIMUM PRICE.
AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT ANYTHING IN THERE THAT'S A DIME OVER IT.
NOBODY ASKED FOR A TILE SAMPLE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A STAFF COUNCILMAN WRIGHT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE SPENDING $11.7 MILLION ON.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ASKING TOO MUCH TO KNOW WHAT
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IT IS IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.UH, AND I'M, I'M NOT ASKING FOR TILE SAMPLES OR CARPET OR PAINTS.
I DON'T, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
BUT WE LITERALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE INSIDE OF THIS BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE.
AND IT'S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH, PLEASE GO AND SIT DOWN WITH, WITH RICKY.
BUT THE, BUT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO SEE IT TOO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THEIR MONEY.
WE, WE, WE NEVER PUT SAMPLES OF WHAT DOOR HANDLES AND WHAT NOBODY'S ASKING FOR DOOR HANDLES.
WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE APPROVING? WE'VE SEEN A FLOOR PLAN.
IS THERE AN ENTRYWAY? ARE THERE, LIKE, WHAT IS IT? WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
WHENEVER WE APPROVE A PARK, WE SEE THE PARK.
IT MIGHT NOT END UP THAT WAY, BUT WE SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
NO, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT TO THIS.
I MEAN, IF THIS WAS A ISSUE, THEN WHY DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE TONIGHT? WE DID.
I ASKED FOR THIS IN THE WORK SESSION.
I, I ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS IN THE WORK SESSION THAT WE NEEDED TO SEE SOMETHING.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S A VISION BOARD, SHOW ME SOMETHING.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH PASSING THE, THE, THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE TONIGHT AND NOT POSTPONING THIS ANY LONGER? I AM COMFORTABLE WITH A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM.
NOT COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING TO FINISHING OUT THIS BUILDING WITHOUT COUNSEL HAVING OVERSIGHT OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
OKAY, THEN, THEN I WOULD SAY THERE'S NO SENSE IN PASSING THE MAXIMUM, I GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS, IS FINISHING OUT THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THEN HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT THE, IN WHAT, WHAT THE GUARANTEED IS IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE? WELL, AND I'LL SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT THIS WAS BROUGHT AUGUST 5TH AND WE WOULDN'T ASK TO GET THOSE RENDERINGS AT THAT TIME.
UH, AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GET 'EM, YOU KNOW, ALL TOGETHER AND GET THEM TO Y'ALL ELECTRONICALLY BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE FILES.
UH, GIVE YOU SOME ZIP DRIVES AND I, AGAIN, I'LL BE GO GLAD TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER PROCESS YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH.
I, I WOULD JUST HATE TO PASS THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
AND THEN COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE SEVERAL CHANGES AND IT WINDS UP BEING X AMOUNT MORE.
WELL THEN COUNCIL KNOWS THAT, THAT, THAT THEY'VE MADE THE CHANGES, BUT AT LEAST WE, WE'VE MADE THE CHANGES KNOWING WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE EVEN APPROVING.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW AN AN, AN ENGINEER AND AN ARCHITECT AND FIRMS THAT DO THIS COULD SET A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM AND NOT SHOW US WHAT IT IS THAT THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM LOOKS LIKE.
WHAT, WHAT CHANGED YOUR MIND? I ASKED FOR IT IN THE WORKSHOP AND NOTHING CHANGED MY MIND.
YEAH, BUT YOU WERE P****D AT ME ON AUGUST 5TH WHEN I'M THE ONE THAT SAID, LET'S MOVE IT TO SEPTEMBER.
YOU WANTED ME TO VOTE YES THAT NIGHT.
AND THEN YOU WENT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SAID, WELL, COUNCILMAN WRIGHT VOTED AGAINST IT.
I KNOW I DID, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ALL THIS CRAP THEN THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR NOW.
I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR RENDERINGS.
I'VE NEVER NOT ASKED FOR RENDERINGS OF ANYTHING.
I'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT IN THAT WHENEVER IT'S A PARK, WHENEVER IT'S A BUILDING, WHATEVER IT IS, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ANNEX OF US HAVING NO IDEA HOW THAT WAS BEING BUILT OUT.
IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE STANDARD THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH.
SO IF THEY'VE GOT A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM, SOMEBODY KNOWS WHAT THIS THING LOOKS LIKE, THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW WHAT THIS THING COULD POTENTIALLY OR IS AIMING TO LOOK LIKE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'VE GOT IS CAUTION TAPE AND CONSTRUCTION FENCE OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND WE KNOW WHAT THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING CURRENTLY IS.
WE KNOW WHAT THE FLOOR PLAN IS.
OTHER THAN THAT WE'RE FLYING BLIND.
AND IF WE'RE FLYING BLIND, WHETHER WE SET A MEETING OR NOT, THE PUBLIC IS ALSO FLYING BLIND.
I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T AGREE WITH THE MAXIMUM.
I THINK IT'S GREAT AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT, THAT THEY SAVED MONEY AND THEY BROUGHT IT DOWN AND THEY'VE CHECKED EVERY BOX.
WE'RE ADDING OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET TO THE BUILDING ITSELF STILL COMING IN UNDER WHAT THE BUDGET WAS.
WE'RE REPLACING ALL OF THE WINDOWS TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY.
IT, IT'S, IT'S ALL GREAT, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOTTA SHOW SOMETHING WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO I'M O I'M OKAY WITH THIS MOTION.
MY ONLY QUESTION WAS CAN WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP THAT BEFORE WE, BEFORE THEY PROCEED TO THE ACTUAL FINISHING OF THE BUILDING,
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COUNSEL SHOULD APPROVE OR GIVE A A THUMBS UP TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.CAN WE HAVE SOMETHING AFTER TONIGHT? UH, RICKY? YEAH, I, I MEAN I'LL WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT AND SEE IF I CAN'T GET IT FOR YOU ON THE FIFTH.
MY, MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT WOULD BE DO YOU WANT SIMILAR THING ON STATION ONE THAT WAS PLANNING ON BRINGING THE GUARANTEE MAXIMUM PRICE NEXT MEETING, I BELIEVE CORRECT.
I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN THE GUARANTEE MAXIMUM PRICE, WE JUST DIDN'T GET IT IN TIME TO GET THE PAPERWORK IN FOR THIS MEETING.
DO WE HAVE RENDERINGS OF ANY, ANY PORTION OF IT? I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT THE INSIDES OF MOST OF THE FIRE STATIONS LOOK LIKE.
SCOTT SAFFORD, FIRE CHIEF, WE HAVE EXTERIOR RENDERINGS AS FAR AS INTERIOR FINISHES, NOTHING AT THIS POINT.
I HAVE A FLOOR PLAN AND EXTERIOR RENDERINGS PRETTY MUCH A WHITE BOX THAT YOU, Y'ALL WILL HANG STUFF ON, LIKE ON THE WALLS.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THE INSIDE OF THE FIRE STATION WILL PRETTY MUCH BE A WHITE BOX AND YOU GUYS WILL HANG STUFF ON THE WALLS.
SAME ARCHITECT THAT DESIGNED STATION FOUR.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO STATION FOUR AND FINISHES.
BUT YOU HAVE PICKED OUT THE INTERIOR FINISHES.
IT JUST HADN'T GOTTEN A RENDERING WITH THOSE FINISHES APPLIED.
AND HAVE LIKE A 3D UH, DRAWINGS WITH THAT.
A FIRE STATION IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
I'M I'M ONLY ASKING SO THAT I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO COME BACK WITH BOTH.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
I THINK WE SHOULD SEE WHAT WE ARE APPROVING.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR 18? AGAIN, I ONLY ASK THAT BEFORE THEY MOVE INTO THE FINISH ROUTE.
COUNSEL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A FINAL STAMP OF APPROVAL, KNOWING GOOD AND WELL THAT IF ANY CHANGES OCCUR THAT INCREASE THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM, THAT THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A VOTE TO APPROVE THAT.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE WORLD TO ME TO, TO BE MOVED AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNFAIR.
WITH THAT SAID, I MOVED TO APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH KEY CONSTRUCTION FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE CITY'S CENTRAL CITY'S CENTRAL OFFICES, LOCATED AT EIGHT 20 FERRIS AVENUE FOR THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE OF 11,773,333 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[19. Consider approval of a Professional Services Agreement and supplemental appropriation for Mid-Way Regional Airport Box Hangar Development in the amount of $143,253 ]
ITEM IS NUMBER 19, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT AND SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION FOR MIDWAY REGIONAL AIRPORT BOX HANGAR DEVELOPMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $143,253.DUSTIN MADAM MAYOR COUNCILS MEMBERS, DUSTIN DILL, DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.
SO THIS ITEM IS THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROPOSED BOX HANGER DEVELOPMENT AT THE MIDWAY REGIONAL AIRPORT.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, ON JUNE 4TH, THE JOINT MEETING BETWEEN US AND THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN, BOTH COUNCILS DIRECTED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ENGINEERING AND THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL BOX HANGERS BEFORE YOU.
TONIGHT IS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH KSA ENGINEERS FOR THE DESIGN AND BIDDING PHASES OF THE PROJECT, ALONG WITH THE NECESSARY SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION.
THE AGREEMENT TOTALS $143,253 AND INCLUDES THE PRE-DESIGN WORK, THE SURVEYING AND GEOTECHNICAL WORK ENGINEERING, AND THE PREPARATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, COST TESTAMENTS, AND THEN BIDDING ASSISTANCE.
THE OVERALL PROJECT WAS PRESENTED AT THE JOINT MEETING, UH, BEING APPROXIMATELY $4 MILLION.
THE OPINION OF PROBABLE COST RIGHT NOW HAS COME IN UNDER THAT CLOSER TO $3 MILLION.
UM, SO AS WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS, IT'LL ALLOW US TO REFINE THE ESTIMATE, UM, AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT PARTICULAR WILL, WHERE THAT WILL FALL.
UH, BOTH COUNCILS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THE PROJECT AGAIN BEFORE WE PROCEED INTO CONSTRUCTION.
WAXAHATCHEE AND MIDLOTHIAN WILL SPLIT THE DESIGN COST 50 50 WITH APPROXIMATELY $71,627 PER CITY.
BECAUSE WAXAHATCHEE ADMINISTERS THE AIRPORT BUDGET.
WE NEED TO APPROPRIATE THE FULL CONTRACT AMOUNT WITH WAXAHATCHEE
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SHARE SHARES COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES AND THEN STAFF APPROVES OR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN.
Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? GREAT JOB.
IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF $143,253 TO THE MIDWAY REGIONAL AIRPORT BUDGET AND A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT TO KSA ENGINEERS INCORPORATED FOR DESIGN AND BIDDING SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE MIDWAY REGIONAL AIRPORT BOX HANGER DEVELOPMENT AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THANK YOU COUNSEL AND THANK YOU DUSTIN.
[20. Consider Lions Park Improvements and Professional Services Agreement ]
NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 20.CONSIDER LINES PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT CAMARO.
GOOD, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
SO IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE LAST ON THE AGENDA ITEM.
SAY THE BEST FOR LAST, RIGHT? UM, CAMARO MARTINEZ, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
SO THE AGENDA ITEM BEFORE YOU IS GONNA HOPEFULLY GET US A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AND BETTER DIRECTION TO THE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT OF LIONS PARK.
UM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY $11.4 MILLION IN AVAILABLE FUNDING DUE TO A BOND SALE, SOME GENERAL FUND AND WCDC FUND ALLOCATIONS AND AS WELL AS A PLEDGE BY A-W-C-D-C BOARD OF $5.8 MILLION.
SO ALL THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR DESIGN FEES AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THE PROJECT.
THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS THAT I'M GONNA PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT.
THESE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU BEFORE IN A WORK SESSION LAST WEEK.
UH, WE DISCUSSED BOTH OPTIONS IN DETAIL, SO I'M JUST GONNA BRIEFLY GO OVER THESE.
THE FIRST OPTION, UH, FOR YOU IS THE NATURAL GRASS OPTION.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME WITH KENLEY HORN.
IT'S GOT, UH, ALL THE DESIGN DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN PREPARED.
THEY'RE PENDING REVIEW BY STAFF.
WE PAUSED IT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UH, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA GO WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF.
SO THAT SAID, IF WE DO CHOOSE THIS OPTION, WE WOULD HAVE TO REENGAGE CLEMY HORN, GET ON THEIR SCHEDULE, GO THROUGH STAFF REVIEW OF THE PLANS, AND, UM, GO OUT TO BID AFTER THAT.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TIME THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ALLOCATED TO ALL THAT, SO WE JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT AS WELL.
BUT THAT DESIGN DOES INCLUDE 22 AND A HALF ACRES OF IRRIGATED AND LIT PRACTICE FIELDS.
IT UTILIZES ALL OF, UH, THE CURRENT PROPERTY THAT LYONS PARK, UH, OWNS, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT SITE, BUT ALSO THE PROPERTY THAT WE ACQUIRED, UH, SEVERAL YEARS BACK.
UM, JUST TO THE NORTHEAST OF IT.
IT DOES OFFER NEW TRAIL CONNECTIONS.
SO EVERYTHING YOU SEE THAT'S COLORED ON THIS RENDERING OR THIS SCHEMATIC HERE IS WHAT YOU WOULD BE GETTING ON THE BASE BID FOR $10.4 MILLION.
UH, NEW TRAIL CONNECTIONS, A NEW DRIVE TO THE CONVENIENCE STATION THAT WILL ACT AS A BUFFER FOR THE FUTURE.
EXPANSION OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
APPROXIMATELY 180 PARKING SPACES WITHIN THE THREE DIFFERENT PURPLE SHADED AREAS, UH, FOR THE PARKING SPOTS.
UTILITY RELOCATIONS AND SOME SITE FURNISHINGS, UH, AS WELL TO THE PARK.
WHAT YOU DON'T SEE COLOR THAT'S GRAYED OUT ARE POSSIBLE BID ALTERNATES.
SO DEPENDING ON HOW FAVORABLE THE BIDS COME BACK, WE WOULD HAVE SOME, A LITTLE BIT OF EXCESS MONEY TO THEN PROGRAM TO SOME OF THOSE BID ALTERNATES, WHICH YOU CAN SEE TOTAL $4 MILLION THAT INCLUDE ADDITIONAL PARKING.
SO JUST EXPANDING THE, THE PURPLE COLORED AREAS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GET MORE PARKING SPACES.
UH, SOME COMMUNITY SPACE PROGRAMMING AREAS, BASKETBALL COURT, PICKLEBALL COURT, A PLAYGROUND, RESTROOM BUILDING, AND, UH, SOME NEW DECORATIVE FENCING BETWEEN THE CONVENIENCE STATION AND THE PARK.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD GET WITH THIS PROJECT.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE ONE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.
AND SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS, I'D BE HA HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S THE ONE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT NOT THE ORIGINAL.
THE ORIGINAL IS THE ONE THAT WAS THE 2220 $3 MILLION ONE THAT, UM, WE SCRAPPED SOME TIME BACK.
YEAH, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS JUST AN OFFSET OF THAT.
SO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS 18 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
STAFF WENT THROUGH SOME ITERATIONS OF COST SAVINGS TO SCALE BACK ON THAT, GOT IT DOWN TO 16 POINT A HALF.
UH, COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THAT STILL WAS TOO, TOO MUCH TO BITE OFF.
SO WE SCALED IT BACK BY PROGRAMMING SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS AS BID ALTERNATES AND GETTING IT DOWN TO 10.4,
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THE SEC.THE SECOND OPTION IS THE ARTIFICIAL TURF OPTION.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE RECENTLY EXPLORED, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND GOT SOME MOMENTUM GOING.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY DESIGN DOCUMENTS FOR THIS.
WE WOULD HAVE TO ENGAGE A, UH, ENGINEERING FIRM TO PREPARE DESIGN DOCUMENTS FOR THIS.
BUT YOU, YOU WOULD ULTIMATELY BE GETTING EVERYTHING IN PHASE ONE, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN THE BLUE DOTTED LINE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 7.8 ACRES OF TURF FIELDS, WHICH ARE THREE REGULAR FIELDS AND TWO SMALLER FIELDS.
UM, YOU WOULD ALSO GET A NEW DRIVE.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS LATER POINTER WILL WORK OR NOT.
A NEW DRIVE TO THE SPOILED YARD HERE, WHICH OUR STREETS AND UTILITIES DEPARTMENTS STILL ACCESS.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE EXISTING DRIVE WOULD GO AWAY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, OF THESE FIELDS.
UM, WE'D ALSO ADD SOME SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS TO THE PARKING LOT TO THE FIELDS.
UH, A NEW CONCESSION STAND AND RESTROOM AS WELL AS A COVERED PAVILION, SOME PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY SOME LIGHTING AND ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS AND, UM, CHAIN LEAK FENCE AROUND THE FIELDS.
WE DO RECOMMEND ALSO IF WE GO WITH THIS ROUTE OR THIS OPTION RATHER, IS ADDING, UH, BID ALTERNATES, WHICH INCLUDES SOME, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FIELDS, ADDING A FOOTBALL FIELD SHOCK PAD TO THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND THEN ALSO DOING THE COOLING INFILL AND WATER CANNONS FOR THE FIELDS AS THE FIELD TEMPS CAN GET PRETTY HOT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.
UH, WE ALSO ADDED SOME PICKLEBALL COURTS SO THAT IT JUST WON'T BE, UH, PRACTICE FIELDS.
WE'D HAVE SOME OTHER RECREATIONAL AMENITIES OUT THERE.
SO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS A POTENTIAL FOR FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT ARE LIT AND HAVE, UH, COVERED SHADED AREAS ON 'EM AS WELL.
THE, THE RED DOTTED AREA HERE IS A PHASE TWO, SO THAT'S NOT BEING CONSIDERED.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
AND EVERYTHING YOU WOULD SEE IN THIS ORIGINAL PHASE ONE IS WHAT'S OUTLINED IN THE BLUE STAFF WENT THROUGH THE, UH, PROCESS AND, AND, UH, ITERATION OF DEVELOPING A SCHEDULE FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE COSTS, OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE COSTS.
WE DID A 30 LIFE, 30 YEAR LIFE CYCLE FOR BOTH OPTIONS, NATURAL GRASS AND ARTIFICIAL TURF.
AND JUST TO SUMMARIZE, UM, A 30 YEAR LIFE CYCLE COSTS $13.6 MILLION FOR NATURAL GRASS, WHEREAS DEPENDING ON HOW OFTEN YOU REPLACE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF, EITHER EVERY 10 YEARS, IT WOULD COST YOU $20.6 MILLION TO MAINTAIN AND OPERATE THIS VERSION.
OR IF YOU REPLACE EVERY 15 YEARS, IT WOULD DROP IT DOWN TO 17.6.
SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL GRASS AND ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELDS.
UH, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS WORKSHEET BECAUSE WE USE, USE THESE IN OUR BUDGET, BUT THIS IS JUST TELLING YOU, GIVING YOU A, A SNAPSHOT OF ALL THE DIFFERENT COSTS THAT WE FACTORED INTO DEVELOPING THAT SCHEDULE USING A 3% INFLATION, UH, YEAR OVER YEAR.
AND SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING EITHER PROJECT.
COUNSEL, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CAN WE SLIDE BACK TO THE, THE TWO DESIGNS? CAMARO, CAN YOU USE THAT FANCY LASER POINTER TO SHOW US KIND OF WHERE THE CURRENT ROADWAY IS? THAT GOES TO THE CONVENIENCE STATION? THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE WOULD BE THE CURRENT DRIVE TO THE CONVENIENCE STATION.
SO KEEPING THAT IN MIND, GO TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE, SIR.
SO THAT ROAD, THAT'S STILL THERE RIGHT THERE.
NOW IF WE GO BACK ONE MORE TIME, EVERYTHING THAT'S GREEN TO THE RIGHT OF THAT POINTER WOULD STILL BE THERE.
SO ALL OF THAT GRASS IS STILL GRASS WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS STEERING OUR WORKSHOP AND JUST SO IT'S HERD AND SEEN HERE, THOSE NUMBERS THAT ARE GIVEN ON THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS AND THE UPKEEP OF THE GRASS FIELDS, THAT IS NOT TO MAINTAIN THOSE GRASS FIELDS AT ANY SORT OR ITERATION OF ANYTHING CLOSE TO BEING A GAME LEVEL SURFACE.
ANYTHING CLOSE TO BEING, BEING THE SAME FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT AS THE TURF WOULD BE.
THAT IS GENERAL UPKEEP OF GRASS.
UM, ADDING IN THE WATERING, THAT'S ALL IT'S DOING.
IT'S NOT ADDING THE EQUIPMENT THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO ROLL THE GRASS AS OFTEN AS, AS IT WOULD NEED TO BE.
IT'S NOT ADDITIONAL PESTICIDES OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT, THAT, THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE USED.
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IT IS NOT OVER SEEDING, IT'S, THAT'S JUST MAINTAINING WITH THE IRRIGATION.SO IF I WILL, UH, AND WITHOUT THE SPECIALTY EQUIPMENT, IF I MAY, I'M SORRY SIR.
UH, YES, WE, WE'VE MADE ACCOMMODATIONS IN OUR NUMBERS AND OUR FIGURES TO PROGRAM THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THAT.
THERE IS SOME HERBICIDE PESTICIDE APPLICATIONS AS WELL, BUT NOT TO GAME LEVEL.
SO I MEAN THAT, THAT, THAT DEGREE VARIES.
UM, SO WE WOULD MAINTAIN 'EM A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO WITH OUR CURRENT PRACTICE FIELDS.
UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT GAME FIELD GAME TYPE CONDITIONS, PROBABLY NOT NOW.
WE COULD, WE CERTAINLY COULD, BUT THOSE NUMBERS WOULD CHANGE, RIGHT? TURF IS READY FOR PARTICIPATION DAY ONE THAT IT'S SET.
YOU CAN PLAY USE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO.
AND THEN WE'VE SEEN AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX WHERE IT RAINS AFTER ABOUT 20 MINUTES, 30 MINUTES, THEY'RE BACK ON THE FIELD.
WHEREAS IF IT WAS NATURAL GRASS SEVERAL DAYS BEFORE, THEY DON'T, SEVERAL DAYS WOULD HAVE TO PASS OR ELSE THEY'RE AT A TEAR UP WHAT'S THERE AND WE'RE STARTING OVER.
THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY A BENEFIT OF ARTIFICIAL TURF.
SO IF YOU WERE WATCHING THE WORLD NEWS TONIGHT BEFORE YOU CAME UP HERE, YOU'D SEE THE TENNESSEE TITANS PAID THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES YESTERDAY AND THE FOOTBALL FIELD GU SO HOT BEING THE ASTRO TURF, IT MELTED THE SHOES ON THE PLAYERS AND THEY WERE HAVING TO SOAK THEIR FEET IN WATER TO GO BACK OUT ON THE FIELD AND THEY WERE PLAYING IN TENNESSEE, WHICH DOESN'T GET ANYWHERE NEAR AS HOT AS IT DOES DOWN HERE.
SO HOW MANY DAYS ARE THEY NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO USE THAT FIELD WHILE IT'S HOT AS HELL? I REALIZE YOU GOT THE CANNONS, HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE DEDUCTIONS THAT SHOOT OFF AND EVERYTHING'S, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL FIELD THAT DON'T HAVE THE CANNONS WHERE WE HAVE THESE GUYS THAT ARE GETTING PAID MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PLAY AND THEY DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO PROTECT THOSE PLAYERS.
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE WATER CANS AND THEY DO NOT TAKE THE BREAKS AF DURING THE GAME.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT OCCURS IN THOSE.
SO YOUR FIGURES THAT YOU GAVE FOR THE MAINTAINING OF THE ASTRO TER OR THE TURF FIELDS THERE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT'S OUT THERE OR THESE ARE THESE SELF-RUNNING CANNONS OR DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO EMPLOY THE CANNONS AND MAKE 'EM WORK AND MAKE SURE THEY SPRAY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO COOL THE FIELDS? WE WOULD PROGRAM ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES TO ACTUALLY OPERATE THOSE CANNONS.
SO ARE THEY INCLUDED IN THAT PRICE? YES SIR.
SO WE HAVE THAT INCLUDED FOR WHEN IT'S HOT.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE AFTER ALL DAY SPRAYING THOSE FIELDS.
WE WOULD, WE'VE PROGRAMMED THE COST BASED ON A, UM, HYPOTHETICAL USAGE OF BASICALLY IT PROGRAMMING THOSE SATURDAY AND SUNDAY WHERE THAT WOULD OCCUR.
SO DURING THE WEEK WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THEM BEING UTILIZED AS FREQUENTLY.
THERE'S OFTEN, UM, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DAY KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL OR PARENTS ARE AT WORK.
IT'S ON THE WEEKENDS WHEN WE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT.
SO IF WE NEED TO DO ADDITIONAL SPRAYS, WE WOULD NEED TO INCREASE COST.
RO UH, WELL FIRST AND FOREMOST, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE FOR JUST A SECOND? YES SIR.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS PLAN, EVERYTHING GETS IRRIGATED.
SO THE FIELDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE NOW THAT AREN'T IRRIGATED ONE IS, WELL, I YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.
ONE IS, UH, DO WE HAVE AN A HERBICIDE PROGRAM FOR, FOR THE EXISTING AREA THAT WE'RE IT'S BEING KEPT.
WEIGHT ON MOTHER NATURE EXCEPT FOR THE ONE FIELD? YES SIR.
UM, MY CONCERN IS, I, I SAID THIS IN THE WORKSHOP.
I REALLY DO, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT JUST THE ABILITY TO, TO, TO USE IT DURING THE RAINY SEASONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AS A FORMER, YOU KNOW, FIELD DIRECTOR FOR, FOR LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL, WE, IT'S A, IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO TRY TO RE RESCHEDULE THINGS THAT, THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR THOSE AREAS.
NOW, IF THIS IS PURELY GONNA BE A PRACTICE FIELD SETUP, I, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IF WE GOT TWICE AS MUCH SPACE WITH 70 LESS PARKING SPOTS.
SO WE PROGRAM 257 PARKING SPOTS FOR THE, FOR THE TURF, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF OF THAT.
BUT WE ONLY HAVE 183 FOR ALL OF THAT.
SO DOES THAT MEAN IN THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE ANTICIPATE FEWER
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PEOPLE TO USE THIS THAN IT WOULD BE IF IT WERE TURF? SO IN THE OTHER SITE PLAN, THE PARKING LOT WAS ALREADY UM, CONFIGURED FOR THE PHASE TWO AS WELL.THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ADDITIONAL PARKING.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK IN PHASE TWO AND TEAR UP.
CAN WE GO TO THE OTHER SLIDE? YES SIR.
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THE 257 SPOTS WOULD ENCOMPASS THE RED AS WELL? YES SIR.
AND THE GRASS TO THE NORTH, WHAT ABOUT THE YEAH, IT CAN CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE THE WHOLE FACILITY AS WE NEED TO.
DID WE GET ANY SORT OF GENERAL BALLPARK COST ON IRRIGATING THE GRASS TO THE NORTH HERE? YEAH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 12 TO 14 ACRES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND IT WOULD COST US ANYWHERE BETWEEN 700,900 TO 950,000 TO GET THAT IRRIGATION ESTABLISHED ON THAT SITE.
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME? APPROXIMATELY 13 TO 14 ACRES AT A COST OF 700 TO 950,000.
SO FOR LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS MORE WE WOULD HAVE FIELDS READY ON DAY ONE THAT COULD BE USED ALL DAY EVERY DAY.
FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS, WE WOULD HAVE NEW RESTROOMS AND A CONCESSION STAND, PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS, LIGHTS, CHAIN LINK FENCES, UH, SHOCK PADS FOR THE FOOTBALL FIELD, THE WATER CANNONS.
WE COULD IRRIGATE ALL OF THE GREEN SPACE TO THE NORTH AND HAVE ROUGHLY 22 ACRES OF FIELD USE.
'CAUSE YOU SAID, I MEAN, 14 ISH.
SO WE'D HAVE 21 ACRES OF FIELD USE AND STILL BE UNDER WHAT IT WOULD BE ON THE GAMBLE TO SEE IF ALL GRASS WORKS AND THEN THE TIME AND THE MAINTENANCE THAT COMES WITH TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT NATURAL GRASS IN A WASHOUT AREA TO A STANDARD THAT'S QUITE LITERALLY SAFE FOR YOUTH SPORTS, WHICH ARE NOT, YOUTH SPORTS ARE NOT SHRINKING OR GENTRIFYING OR WHATEVER THE CLAIM WAS UM, I IMPLORE YOU TO GO TO ANY, ANY SOFTBALL, BASEBALL, FOOTBALL, SOCCER FIELD, ANYWHERE IN THE METROPLEX ON ANY GIVEN DAY.
AND WE HAVE STUDIES WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE THAT PROVE JUST THE OPPOSITE.
UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S A FALSE CLAIM.
UM, YOUTH SPORTS ARE EXPLODING IN POPULARITY, ESPECIALLY YOUTH SOCCER AND SOFTBALL.
AND IF 6, 7, 8, 9 YEAR OLDS ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE VERY LIKELY TO FIND A CRACK IN THE GROUND THAT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR THEIR FOOT TO FALL IN AND THEN SNAP THEIR FEMUR.
AND I WISH I WAS KIDDING, BUT I'M NOT.
UM, AND THAT'S THE CURRENT CONDITION.
SO WITHOUT INJECTING THE SOIL AND ADDRESSING THAT, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH WATER YOU PUT ON IT, HOW MANY TIMES YOU ROLL IT, IT'S STILL GONNA CRACK AND BE UNSAFE.
SO I I, I JUST DON'T SEE THE $14.4 MILLION GAMBLE WHEN WE HAVE AN OPTION THAT COULD BE STILL ON THE $12 MILLION RANGE WITH 11.4 MILLION AVAILABLE, UH, TO PROVIDE ACTUAL ADEQUATE PRACTICE SPACES, BOTH GRASS AND ARTIFICIAL TURF, AND THE AMENITIES THAT COME WITH THAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION ONE, GO AHEAD.
ALL I WAS GONNA ADD TO IS THAT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, THAT'S REALLY BEING MISSED ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS THAT MUCH OF EITHER ONE OF THESE, UH, PROJECTS COULD BE, COULD QUALIFY FOR, FOR GRANT FUNDING.
I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL NOW, THIS IS MY SECOND TERM, AND SINCE DAY ONE I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A PARKS MASTER PLAN BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY'S OUT THERE AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE ONE AND WE NEED ONE.
IT'S COSTING THIS CITY MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR US NOT TO HAVE THAT.
IF I CAN JUST SPEAK TO THAT BRIEFLY,
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COUNCILMAN.WE DID PROMOTE AN RFQ FOR THAT MASTER PLAN AND CURRENTLY IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE FIRM.
SO WE HOPE TO BRING THAT TO YOU SOON.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ONE FIELD THAT'S THERE NOW THAT IS IRRIGATED.
UH, WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THAT FIELD AND IS IT BEING USED? IT DOES GET UTILIZED.
UM, IT IS IRRIGATED AND LIT AND SO FOR THAT REASON IT'S IN A LOT BETTER CONDITION THAN THE OTHER FIELDS BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD THE STORIES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE OTHER FIELDS NOT REALLY BEING, UM, ADEQUATE, SAFE TO USE.
BUT THIS ONE FIELD, UH, THAT IS BEING IRRIGATED, UH, IS BEING USED ON A REGULAR BASIS.
BY WHICH SPORTS? THIS IS AN OBVIOUS ANSWER.
FOOTBALL, FOOTBALL, SOCCER, IS IT, WOULD, WOULD YOU STAND IN FRONT OF A GROUND BALL ON THAT FIELD? NOT WITH ANY LEVEL OF CONFIDE.
I WOULD CONFIDENCE I WOULD STAND IN FRONT OF A GROUND BALL EITHER WAY, BUT, UH, YEAH, UH, NO.
WHY IS THAT? OH, IT HASN'T BEEN, UH, MAINTAINED TO THE LEVEL OF BASEBALL PLAY.
I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE, THE FIELDS NEED TO BE OBVIOUSLY, UM, DRESSED AND ROLLED AND, UH, MOWED AT A DIFFERENT HEIGHT THAN WE MOW CURRENTLY.
AND IF WE WENT WITH THE, THE GRASS OPTION, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE'D BE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO TO THE ONE DEALER? WE PROGRAM ADDITIONAL EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY ARE DOING BECAUSE WE DO REALIZE THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY POPULAR PLACE TO PRACTICE AND BE UTILIZED.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE PROGRAMMED FOR DIFFERENT SPORTS, NOT JUST SOCCER AND FOOTBALL.
SO WE WILL PUT BACK STOPS AT DIFFERENT OPPOSING CORNERS.
UH, SO IF THERE IS A LITTLE LEAGUE TEAM THAT WANTS TO DO SOME GROUND BALLS, UH, THE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM COMING OUT AND USING IT WILL BE HIGHER THAN CURRENT.
DO YOU SEE THE BENEFIT OF EITHER ONE OF THESE OPTIONS, UM, BEING, UH, BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
I'M NOT GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT,
I, I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD NOT SAY THAT.
I, I WANT TO, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE ONE LAST POINT.
IN DEFENSE OF THE GRASS FIELDS, WHETHER WHAT MR. SMITH'S THE SAME IS CORRECT OR NOT? NO ONE IN TOWN GOES THROUGH AND INJECTS THE LAND ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN AND THEY HAVEN'T FOR A HUNDRED AND HOWEVER MANY YEARS WE'VE BEEN HERE.
SO WE COULD HAVE PRACTICE FIELDS ON GRASS AND YEAH, PEOPLE BROKE THEIR LEGS ONCE IN A BLUE MOON AND ALL THAT.
BUT WE'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN A MUCH BETTER LEVEL THAN WHAT IT'S BEEN MAINTAINED IN THE PAST.
IF WE HAVE GRASS, IT'S GONNA BE MAINTAINED, IT'S GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF, IT'S GONNA HAVE HERBICIDES, IT'S GONNA BE FERTILIZED, IT'S GONNA BE WATERED, IT'S GONNA HAVE LIGHTS.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE NORTH SIDE PLAYGROUND WHERE WE GO.
EVERYBODY GOES AND PRACTICES BASEBALL IN CHAPMAN PARK WHERE THEY GO PLAY SOFT SOCCER AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE BIG EMPTY FIELD.
IT IS NOW, IT'S GONNA BE MAINTAINED.
IT'S WILL IT BE THE SAME THING AS THE TURF? NO, BUT YOU HAVE ISSUES THAT COME WITH THE TURF JUST LIKE THAT COME WITH THE GRASS INJURIES ON THE KIDS IS A HELL OF A LOT HIGHER ON ASTROTURF THAN IT IS ON GRASS INJURIES.
LONG TERM WHEN THEY DO IT AND PLAY ON IT ALL THEIR TIME IS A LOT HIGHER THAN IT IS ON GRASS.
PLUS WE'RE GETTING WAY, WAY MORE PRACTICE FIELDS WITH THIS, EVEN WHEN YOU TAKE OUT THE TIME OF RAIN.
'CAUSE HOW OFTEN DO WE HAVE IT WHERE IT RAINS A LONG ENOUGH PERIOD WHERE YOU CAN'T USE SOMETHING FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT YOUR TEAM AND YOUR GUYS HAVE PUT INTO THIS AND GOING BACK.
AND I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING AS HECK FOR YOU.
I KNOW IT'S DRIVING MR. BOYD ABSOLUTELY CRAZY
HE'S READY FOR US TO MAKE THE DECISION.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS.
TRENT, CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE AGAIN, PLEASE, SIR? OKAY, SO I'M JUST GONNA JUST GO AHEAD AND DEBUNK COUNCILMAN WRIGHT ON THE RECORD HAS ALREADY STATED PUBLICLY THAT THE GREEN SPACE TO THE RIGHT TRENTON, SORRY, JUST THE ONE NUMBER, IF YOU'LL GO BACK THE GREEN SPACE OR SORRY, GO TO THE TURF ONE.
YEAH, THE GREEN SPACE TO THE RIGHT OF THE ROAD ADDS AN ADDITIONAL 14 ACRES APPROXIMATELY.
UM, AGAIN, TO SPRINKLE THAT AND TO SERVICE THAT AN EXTRA MILLION DOLLARS, WE'LL CALL IT 12.2 MILLION, UM, THAT LEAVES US WITH A DELTA OF $800,000 TO COME UP WITH, UM, THAT CAN BE FOUND.
UM, AND I'M CONFIDENT IN THAT, UH,
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WHAT IS THE 800,000 POINTS? LET ME FINISH.THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL TO SPRINKLE THE EXTRA 14 ACRES.
WHAT ABOUT THE LIGHTS MAKING PRACTICE? THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXTRA TO SPRINKLE THE ADDITIONAL 14 ACRES, SIR.
UM, SO WHEN THE CLAIM OF WILL GET WAY, WAY, WAY MORE PRACTICE SPACE, UH, FOR THE 14.4 MILLION IS FALSE, CATEGORICALLY FALSE AND SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, DISCUSSED AT LENGTH.
UM, THAT 14.4 MILLION FOR THE GRASS AND THE 22.5 ACRES, WHICH COMES OUT TO IRONICALLY BE ABOUT THE EXACT SAME AS IF YOU SPRINKLED THE EXTRA 14 ACRES PLUS THE TURF, UM, WITH A DELTA OF $3 MILLION.
UH, COUNCILMAN WRIGHT, WHERE ARE WE FINDING THAT EXTRA $3 MILLION? YOU'RE ASKING B WHERE WE'RE GETTING 3 MILLION? YES SIR.
I I AM ASKING, I'M GOING THE PLAN THAT'S GOT LIGHTS AND WATER ON THE WHOLE DAMN THING.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHT AND SEVEN ACRES.
BUT I'M ASKING YOU WHERE YOU'RE FINDING THE EXTRA $3 MILLION TO APPROVE A PLAN.
I'M GOING WITH THE PLAN WE GOT THERE, THE 10, WHATEVER IT WAS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY GOT.
WHERE ARE YOU FINDING THE EXTRA $3 MILLION TO APPROVE? WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE MONEY FOR THE TWO ALREADY BUDGETED.
I DUNNO WHO YOU'S TALKING ABOUT.
YES, WE HAVE 11.4 MILLION BUDGETED.
CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S NOT UP THERE.
IT'S 10.4, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S A, FOR THE, UH, GRASS PUT THE GRASS ONE UP THERE, IT'S 10.4 MILLION.
SO YOU WANT NONE OF THE ALTERNATES THEN IS NOT AT THIS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NOT AT THIS TIME.
I WANT WHAT'S UNDER THE NATURAL GRASS OPTION BASED BID AT THE MOMENT.
NOT THE PLAYGROUND, NOT THE RESTROOM.
NOT BASKETBALL COURTS, NOT PICKLEBALL.
COURTS NOT PARKING EXPANSIONS.
FOR 10.4 MILLION PRACTICE, PRACTICE FIELDS, WHICH WE'VE BEEN PROMISING PEOPLE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PARKS BOARD APPROVED.
SO NOW YOU'RE GOING AGAINST EVERYTHING.
THE PARKS BOARD APPROVED THE 10.4 MILLION PR PLAN? NO, THE PARKS BOARD.
IF YOU WOULD SHOW UP TO THE MEETING, YOU WOULD KNOW BOARD.
THE PARKS BOARD APPROVED THE $18.5 MILLION PLAN.
COUNCILMAN WRIGHT, THAT'S WHAT THEY APPROVED.
AND IT'S BEEN, AND IT'S BEEN PEELED BACK SINCE THEN TO THEN 16.5 MILLION AS WAS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED HERE.
YOU ARE SUGGESTING WE DO JUST THE GRASS WITH LIGHTS IN ADEQUATE PARKING.
WHO IS GONNA PARK OVER HERE IN THIS LITTLE PURPLE SPACE OVER HERE AND WALK THEIR HAPPY TAIL ALL THE WAY OUT THERE TO PRACTICE SOFTBALL AND PULL THE, PULL THE WAGON BEHIND THEM.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING ANYTHING.
YOU'VE MADE THIS POLITICAL IF YOU WANT TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU WERE AT THE SAME MEETINGS WITH THE, WITH THE SAME ENGINEER THAT I WAS WHEN JAMES REEL TOLD US THIS TURF IS THE BEST OPTION.
HE SAID THAT AT THE MEETING, THIS WOULD GET THE MOST USE.
YOU WERE THERE, GAMA WAS THERE.
AND HE TOLD US THAT THE EX LIKE THE, OUR OUR LITTLE OUR OUR CITY EXPERT TOLD US THAT YOU WERE STANDING RIGHT THERE WHEN HE SAID IT.
YOU'VE MADE THIS POLITICAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE ME.
I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE YOU MADE THIS POLITICAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE ME.
THAT'S NOT WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY IS PROVIDING THE MOST AND THE SAFEST PRACTICE SPACES THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING US FOR.
AND IT'S NOT 22 ACRES OF LARGELY INACCESSIBLE GRASS.
WELL THEN I SUGGEST WE VOTE ON IT AND SEE HOW IT FALLS.
IF YOU CARED ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY THE WAY YOU CARE ABOUT POSTING ON FACEBOOK, YOU WOULD PUT THE COMMUNITY.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR LECTURING ME MR. SMITH.
I, I AM IMPRESSED BY WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE WE YES, MA'AM.
UM, ONE, ONE LAST THING THAT JUST IN THIS GAME OF PING PONG THAT WE JUST LISTENED TO THAT BROUGHT A QUESTION TO MIND AND THAT IS JAMES RUNS A SPORTS COMPLEX.
JAMES AT A LOT OF TIMES IS THAT CAPACITY.
AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN MENTIONED THAT IF WE WENT WITH THE TURF OPTION, THAT THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FIELD USAGE TOURNAMENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND I'M NOT PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT
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HERE.BUT FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, WOULDN'T THAT BRING INCOME BACK INTO A PROJECT LIKE THIS? WELL, I MEAN CERTAINLY IF, IF YOU PROGRAM IT FOR GAME AND TOURNAMENT PLAY, THERE'S A REVENUE STREAM THAT COMES WITH IT.
WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST, JUST, JUST USING THE, THE PORTION.
CAN YOU GO TO THAT NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? JUST, JUST USING THE PORTION THAT YOU HAVE THERE IN BLUE WITH THE FOOTBALL, THE, THE BASEBALL, SOFTBALL FIELDS, THOSE THINGS.
IF WE COULD GET MORE USAGE OUT OF THAT THROUGH TOURNAMENTS AND AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MONEY COMING BACK IN TO THAT PROJECT, CORRECT? YES SIR.
DURING THAT SAME MEETING THAT COUNCILMAN WRIGHT WAS AT, AND I WAS NOT GOING TO MENTION THE POTENTIAL FOR IT TO BE USED FOR ANYTHING ORGANIZED BECAUSE I'VE BEEN MISLABELED FOR THAT.
JAMES SAID THAT THE ABILITY TO USE THE SOCCER FIELD SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SATURDAY YMCA LEAGUE AND THE, AND THE YOUTH LEAGUE WOULD REMOVE THAT BURDEN AND THAT NEED AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX SO THAT THE SPORTS COMPLEX COULD ACTUALLY BE USED FOR TOURNAMENT PLAY.
SO IT WOULD MOVE YMCA SOCCER AND WAXAHATCHEE YOUTH SOCCER.
IT COULD MOVE THEM TO THIS COMPLEX IN THE MORNINGS AND THEN OPEN THE SPORTS COMPLEX UP TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HOST TOURNAMENT PLAY BECAUSE THEY CAN DO THAT CURRENTLY DURING SOCCER SEASONS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE SATURDAYS.
AND UNDER THAT PLAN, WAS IT NOT ALSO DISCUSSED THE ADDED EXPENSE OF ALL THE EXTRA PEOPLE WE'D HAVE TO SCHEDULE TO KEEP THE FIELDS AND THE CONDITION AND BLOCK IT UP AND MONITOR IT AND SCHEDULING AROUND THE PRACTICES AND EVERYTHING ELSE? YES.
I REALIZE THEY ONLY PLAY GAMES ON WEEKENDS AND NOT DURING THE WEEK.
BUT IT WASN'T SUGGESTED THAT WE DO THAT BECAUSE THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PRACTICE FIELDS.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE LIONS PARK, THE ENTIRE PART THAT WE'VE COME OUT WITH WAS WE WANTED IT TO BE PRACTICE FIELDS, NOT GAME PLAY.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE PRACTICE FIELDS AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX.
YOU CAN ONLY HAVE GAMEPLAY AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX.
ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UM, COULD YOU NOT UTILIZE A PROPERLY MAINTAINED GRASS FIELD FOR THE SAME PURPOSES IF WE WERE LOOKING FOR, UM, TOURNAMENT PLAY, IF THEY WERE PROPERLY MAINTAINED, YOU COULD THANK YOU AT A HIGHER COST.
IF WE GO BACK AND LET'S GO TO THE, IF YOU WANNA BRING THAT UP, LET'S GO TO THE, THE LONG TERM COST WHERE IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE DOWN HERE.
I MEAN, SHORT TERM, LONG TERM, LONG TERM.
I COULD ARGUE IT IF YOU WANT A PIECEMEAL IT, I WAS JUST MAKING A, A CLARIFICATION BECAUSE, UH, UH, A QUESTION HAD BEEN ASKED AND I WAS JUST MAKING A CLARIFICATION THAT IT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR THE SAME PURPOSES.
YOUR LONG TERM AND SHORT TERM ON THIS SLIDE ARE QUITE TILTED BECAUSE THOSE LONG TERM ON THE TURF SIDE, THAT IS, THAT IS A ONE-TIME PURCHASE FOR REPLACEMENT.
SO YOUR LONG TERM ON THE TURF SIDE, NOT INCLUDING REPLACEMENT OF $7 MILLION IS 10, IS 10,024,724.
THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE COMPARABLE TO THE GRASS SIDE OF 12 MILLION 642, 563.
THAT IS YOUR YEAR OVER YEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR.
SO NO TURF IS A CHEAPER OPTION FOR THE ONGOING COST.
YES, THE REPLACEMENT COST IS HIGHER, BUT THAT'S ALSO NOT TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RESAW RECEIVE REGRADE THE GRASS FIELDS AT AT SOME POINT.
I'M JUST SIMPLY POINTING OUT WHAT WAS ON THE, THE, THE SLIDE PEOPLE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING CAN MAKE THEIR OWN COMPARISON.
I WAS JUST SIMPLY MAKING A STATEMENT THAT WHEN ONE WAS PRESENTED AS IT RELATED TO, UH, FOSTERING SUPPORT FOR TURF, THAT I WAS JUST BRINGING, I MEAN FOR, UH, YEAH, FOR, FOR THE ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT I WAS BRINGING UP THE GRASS, THAT'S ALL I WAS DOING.
YES, THAT THE TURF HAS A LOWER M AND O COST.
SO LOWER ANNUAL BUDGETED ITEM THAN WHAT GRASS IS.
ALL RIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE NATURAL GAS TURF FIELD PROJECT AS PRESENTED BY STAFF
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AND APPROVED TO REENGAGE KIMLEY HORN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 219,554,000 FOR $554 AND 90 CENTS AN AUTHORIZED CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[21. Convene into Executive Session to deliberate economic development incentives, as permitted by Texas Government Code Section 551.087; to deliberate the purchase, exchange, lease, or value of real property for municipal purposes, as permitted by Texas Government Code Section 551.072; to deliberate personnel matters, including the appointment, evaluation, duties or dismissal of any member of a City board or commission, as permitted by Texas Government Code Section 551.074; to consult with City Attorney regarding legal issues associated with City Code and Charter provisions and consultation with City Attorney regarding pending and anticipated litigation, as permitted by Texas Government Code Section 551.071, and all matters incident and related thereto ]
UH, BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 21 TO, UH, CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.UH, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, UH, I WILL ASK FOR COMMENTS.
IF I MAY, IS, IS THE ONLY ITEM ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THE ANIMAL SERVICES PROPERTY? NO, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER THING.
IT'S NOT PENDING LIKE THE OTHER THING THAT YOU MENTIONED.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, WITH THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID PUBLICLY, UM, AND MISPORTRAYED AND MISCONSTRUED.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE THE ANIMAL SERVICES DISCUSSION, UH, HELD OUT FRONT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH ANYBODY ELSE INVOLVED.
I'M, I'M CERTAINLY FINE WITH THAT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
THAT WAY EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S SAID.
SO, UH, AS YOU SAW AT THE UM, WORK SESSION, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN NEGOTIATIONS FOR 20 ACRES OUT ON BUSINESS 2 87, UH, $3.125 MILLION.
THERE IS WATER, SEWER, GAS IN THAT AREA.
UM, THE DEADLINE TO GIVE THEM YAY OR NAY IS THE 23RD.
AND SO IF Y'ALL WANT TO GO FORWARD, I'D ASK FOR A MOTION FOR THAT.
AND IF YOU'D WANT TO, UH, DECLINE IT AND IT'LL COST YOU A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND THE EARNEST MONEY IS ALL THAT WE WON'T GET BACK OF THE 30,000 EARNEST MONEY THAT WE PUT DOWN, I WILL POINT OUT THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE A GREAT BIT OF INTEREST IN PART OF THE LAND.
UM, AND WITH THAT IN MIND, CHAD TSON, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, HAS UH, RECOMMENDED THAT WE USE GENERAL FUND MONEY, UH, THE RAINY DAY FUND TO PURCHASE THE LAND IN CASE WE DO SELL OFF PART OF IT.
AND AT THAT POINT WE COULD DO A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION TO FINANCE WHAT IS REMAINING.
SO IT'S KIND OF A MULTI-FOLD, UM, FIRST OF ALL, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA BUY THE LAND.
AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH, UH, DIRECT, UH, A VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CONTINUE NEGOTIATION TO THE POTENTIAL OF SELLING PART OF IT.
BUT JUST GENERAL DIRECTION ON THAT.
IF YOU WANNA KEEP IT ALL, WE CAN KEEP IT ALL.
UH, BUT WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS, UM, VERY INTERESTED IN GETTING IT DONE QUICKLY, IS THE BEST WAY I CAN PUT IT.
I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF SELLING, OF SELLING OFF THE 10 ACRES THAT ARE NOT NEEDED FOR THE ANIMAL SERVICES IN ORDER TO, UH, IF THEY ARE LOOKING TO MOVE QUICKLY, UM, HELP COORDINATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADWAY THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED, THAT CONNECTS TO BUSINESS 2 87.
UM, AND, AND I'LL SAY THIS MUCH, I DON'T THINK WE CAN QUITE SELL OFF 10 ACRES JUST TO, UM, WE'LL NEED 10 ACRES FOR THE, UM, FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER ROUGHLY.
AND SOME OF THAT'S IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LOSE, SEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE'RE GONNA LOSE SOME OF IT DUE TO THE WIDENING OF BUSINESS 2 87.
AM I RIGHT IN THAT? I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION THAT WILL BE REQUIRED.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE'LL HAVE TO SET THE BUILDING BACK A LITTLE FURTHER THAN WHAT THE CURRENT LINES SHOW, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO I I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UM, IT MAY WIND UP BEING EIGHT OR NINE ACRES THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SELL AND KEEP WHAT WE NEED.
IS THERE A REQUEST, UH, A MOTION BY COUNCIL TO PURCHASE THAT 20 ACRES? I KNOW THERE, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE DO WITH WHAT, UH, WE WON'T NEED.
UH, BUT THAT IS GONNA BE THE, THE NEW HOME, UH, FOR OUR ANIMAL SHELTER, MADAM MAYOR.
UM, I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
I THINK WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
I THINK WE ALL WANNA LOOK AT A WAY TO MAXIMIZE
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THE 20 ACRES, BUT FOR PURPOSES OF THAT, I MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF THE 20 ACRES LOCATED ON BUSINESS 2 87 FOR THE PURPOSES OF A NEW ANIMAL SHELTER AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS RELATING THERE TO DO WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, HANK REAL QUICK, TERRY, DO WE NEED TO DISCLOSE THE PRICE? DO THEY NEED, DO NEED, DO THEY NEED TO STATE THE FUNDING MECHANISM IN THE MOTION? I'M JUST ASKING.I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD INCLUDE THAT EITHER IN THE MOTION OR JUST AS A POINT OF, UH, AS NOTICE FOR THE COUNCIL WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
DO WE NEED TO DISCLOSE THE PRICE? DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN THE MOTION, THE PRICE FOR THE 20 ACRES? GENERALLY? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND USE IT.
TERRY, DO YOU WANT TO TELL US A MOTION THAT WE CAN THEN I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UM, I'LL OFFER A, AN AMENDMENT FOR THE PURCHASE PRICE OF PERFECT.
AND THEN STRIKE SHELTER AND SAY SERVICES.
I'M GOOD AS LONG AS WE GET IT DONE.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
I CERTAINLY, ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND START TO MY LEFT.
UH, AND ASK FOR, UH, COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, I'M GLAD THAT WE PUT TO BED A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
AND I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE THANKS STAFF FOR ALL THEIR WORK AS IT RELATES TO BOTH OF THOSE AS IT RELATES TO LIONS PARK AND THE, UH, ANIMAL SERVICES CENTER.
UM, SO I'M GLAD TO SEE WE'RE DOING THAT.
DARLENE, I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT THERE'S THINGS THAT I HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO SAY FOR MONTHS, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF OUR CITY STAFF THAT'S BEEN TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING.
WE, AND THERE WAS AN INERTIA THERE TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
WISH WE COULD HAVE TOLD YOU EARLIER, BUT YOU, YOU SEE IT NOW.
UH, FIRST, UM, STAFF DID A, ONCE AGAIN, UH, AN EXCELLENT JOB, UH, FACILITATING THE C 10 RALLY.
UH, WE, WE, AS, AS, UH, OR MYSELF AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AS WELL AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND A BUSINESS OWNER, APPRECIATE ALL THOSE EFFORTS.
ATKIN SEAFOOD WAS BUZZING SATURDAY STANDING ROOM ONLY, SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
UM, IT WAS MENTIONED, UH, AND I'M SO GLAD WE ENDED UP DOING IT THIS WAY.
IT MAKES ME SO, 'CAUSE I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT, I SHUDDER AT THE THOUGHTS OF, OF, BUT IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, UH, WAS GONNA BE VOTED ON AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE CAN'T VOTE ON ANYTHING EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT, I JUST WANNA CLEAR THE RECORD ON THAT.
SO, SO GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO COME OUT HERE, TALK ABOUT IT, PRESENT THE MOTION.
UM, AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT THE LIONS PARK THING, IT WAS A COIN FLIP FOR ME PERSONALLY.
I LOVE GRASS, BUT I SEE THE MERITS OF, OF HAVING THOSE, THOSE TURF FIELDS.
UM, I JUST HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT UH, WE REALIZE THAT EVERYONE UP HERE ON THIS DIOCESE IS, IS FIGHTING FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, IF YOU KEEP TRACK, I MEAN, OF, OF VOTING, IT'S NOT THE SAME ON THREE, TWO VOTES.
IT'S NOT THE SAME THREE PEOPLE VOTING IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, IN THE OTHER TWO.
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE GET, WE GET TO A BETTER ANSWER.
UM, JUST APPRECIATE GETTING SEVERAL THINGS DONE TONIGHT AND, UH, TRACE JUST PRAYERS FOR YOU AND BRADEN AND KELLY FOR TOMORROW MORNING.
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ALL THAT GOES WELL.AND TO MY RIGHT, TERRY, NOTHING MADAM MAYOR.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE STAFF AND THE POLICE AND THE STREETS DEPARTMENT AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
YOU DID THE HOMECOMING PARADE, GOT PEOPLE UP AND DOWN AND I, I PULLED A TRAILER IN THAT HOMECOMING PARADE AND TURNED AROUND AND CAME BACK DOWN BROWN TO GO BACK TO WHERE I STARTED TO DROP THESE KIDS OFF.
AND THERE WAS ALREADY A STREET SWEEPERS CLEANING THE STREET.
SO AS I WENT BY, YOU COULDN'T EVEN TELL A PARADE HAD GONE DOWN THE STREET 'CAUSE EVERYTHING HAD BEEN SWEPT UP ALREADY.
SO I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE STAFF AND EVERYBODY FOR THAT.
AND I KNOW IT WAS A, A, A, UH, COMBINED EFFORT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
'CAUSE I SAW EVERY STREET THAT WAS CLOSED OFF HAD SOMEBODY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I EVEN SAW A FOUR WHEEL OFFROAD VEHICLE THAT WAS, UH, DPS
HECK, I MEAN, SEE A HIGHWAY PATROLMAN RUNNING UP DOWN THE ROAD IN A, AN OFF ROAD VEHICLE.
BUT THANK YOU GUYS REALLY, REALLY FOR THAT.
AND THEN DEALING WITH C TENS ON TOP OF THAT.
'CAUSE THAT REALLY, REALLY BRINGS A LOT OF PEOPLE INTO TOWN.
IF YOU GO DOWN THERE, IF YOU, IF YOU DID, DID A WONDERFUL JOB ON THAT, UM, TRACE FOR YOUR SON AND YOUR FAMILY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS, HOPE EVERYTHING GOES TERRIFIC TOMORROW.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE STILL GOT GUYS DEPLOYED, DON'T WE? I SAW PICTURES.
THEY'RE OUT FIGHTING GRASS FIRES AND WILDFIRES AROUND THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS WITH YOUR GUYS, THANK YOU.
UH, I WANNA JUST ECHO KIND OF WHAT'S OUR, HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, UH, JUST HAPPENED TO, UH, TO, TO RUN INTO DOWNTOWN WALLY, UH, ON HIS BIRTHDAY.
UH, I THINK HE WAS WORKING ABOUT 16 HOUR SHIFT, UH, ON HIS BIRTHDAY.
UH, WE ALL APPRECIATE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE HARD WORK, UH, OF HIM AND ALL THE REST OF STAFF.
UH, BUT TO WORK, YOU KNOW, THAT MANY HOURS ON YOUR BIRTHDAY TO GIVE UP YOUR, YOUR PERSONAL DAY, UH, TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY JUST SPEAKS VOLUMES.
AND, UM, ALL THE HARD WORK THAT WENT INTO THE PARADE AND THE C TENS, UH, IN THE PARK, AND THEN THE AFTER PARTY ON THE SQUARE, JUST, UH, SO MUCH APPRECIATION FOR OUR STAFF FOR ALL OF THAT.
I'M GLAD THAT WE FINALLY MADE THE DECISION ON LINES PARK.
UH, AND, UM, AND JUST TO SPEAK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE OPTION THAT WE END UP GOING WITH.
UM, I COULD SEE BENEFIT IN EITHER ONE OF THOSE.
UH, I'M JUST GLAD THAT WE MADE A DECISION AND LIKE WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, A LOT OF TIMES DIFFERENT PEOPLE UP HERE AGREES SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES WE DON'T AGREE.
AND, UH, THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU EVERY ONE OF US UP HERE, WE DO IT WITH HEART AND, UH, WE ALL LOVE THIS CITY.
AND, UM, AFTER TONIGHT WE'LL GET OVER WHATEVER WE DIDN'T AGREE ON, UH, WHEN WE LEAVE HERE TONIGHT.
AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND WE'LL LOOK TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEMS. AND, UM, JUST, UH, JUST TO SHOUT OUT TO, UH, ALL THE ANIMAL VOLUNTEERS, UH, THAT THIS IS A, A HUGE STEP, UH, FOR THE PURCHASE OF THIS 20 ACRES FOR A NEW ANIMAL SHELTER THAT IS, UH, WAY OVERDUE.
ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT IN, UH, JUST TO, UH, TO KEEP, KEEP OUR CITY AFLOAT, UH, WITH THE ANIMAL ISSUE.
AS Y'ALL KNOW THAT WHEN THE SPCA SHUT DOWN, IT CAUSED A MAJOR CRISIS IN OUR COUNTY.
AND, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS WAXAHATCHEE, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES, UM, THAT'S TRIED TO, UH, HELP ALL THE VOLUNTEERS, UM, YOU KNOW, DUSTIN AND KINZIE AND EVERYBODY AT THE SHELTER TO TAKE IN AS MANY DOGS AS THEY COULD TAKE, ALL WHILE BEING, UH, OVER CAPACITY.
UH, AND THAT'S JUST SO APPRECIATED.
UH, SO WE WILL, UH, IN TIME BE BUILDING A NEW ANIMAL SHELTER.
AND FOR THAT, THAT'S EXCITING.
AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY AND THE ANIMALS DESERVE IT.
UH, AND I, AND UH, THE LAST THING IS JUST, UH, AS I SAID IN MY, UH, INVOCATION, JUST, YOU KNOW, WANNA LIFT UP THE ATKINS FAMILY.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN FACED WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHALLENGES AND, UH, TOMORROW'S A BIG DAY FOR THEIR FAMILY.
UH, JUST WHEN, WHEN YOU, UH, HAVE SOME TIME IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS, IF YOU'LL JUST LIFT BRADEN UP AND, UH,
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HIS SURGERY THAT HE'LL BE HAVING TOMORROW, UH, WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.UH, WITH THAT, UM, I THINK, UH, WE'RE GONNA GONNA CALL IT A NIGHT.
UH, SO WITH THAT, UH, AT 9 41, UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE MEETING.