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[1. Call to Order]
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION.
GOOD LORD, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.
THANK YOU FOR THE SUNSHINE AFTER THE STORM AND, UH, FOR WARMING THINGS UP.
AND, UH, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR PROTECTING OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK OF OUR WATER DEPARTMENT AND STREET DEPARTMENT TO GET US THROUGH THIS.
WE LISTED UP THOSE FAMILIES THAT LOST LOVED ONES, UH, DUE TO TRAGIC ACCIDENTS DURING THIS STORM.
AND WE ASK THAT YOU AID AND COMFORT THEM IN NOT THE WAY ONLY YOU CAN DO.
UH, LORD, BE WITH THE COUNCIL AND EVERYONE HERE THIS EVENING TO, UM, HAVE DISCERNMENT, HAVE OPEN COMMUNICATIONS, UH, SO THAT WE CAN DECIDE ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT THAT WILL GREATLY, UH, AFFECT THIS CITY FOR YEARS TO COME.
YOU WOULD JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FOR ALL HONOR, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS.
MAY BE SEATED AGAIN FOR THOSE THAT ARE COMING IN, UH, IN THE LAST, UH, 30 SECONDS.
THERE IS AN OVERFLOW ROOM ACROSS THE HALL.
UH, THERE IS, UH, AUDIO BUT NO VISUAL.
UH, YOU'RE FREE TO STAY IN HERE OR BE OVER THERE, UH, WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE.
[4. Public Comments: Persons may address the City Council on any issues. This is the appropriate time for citizens to address the Council on any concern whether on this agenda or not. In accordance with the State of Texas Open Meetings Act, the Council may not comment or deliberate such statements during this period, except as authorized by Section 551.042, Texas Government Code. Speakers must observe the five (5) minute time limit.]
NOW'S THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.PERSONS MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY ISSUES.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY CONCERN WHETHER ON THIS AGENDA OR NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE COUNCIL MAY NOT COMMENT OR DELIBERATE SUCH STATEMENTS DURING THIS PERIOD, EXCEPT AS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 5 5 1 0 4 2 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.
SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE FIVE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THIS TIME, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM? YOU WANT FEEDBACK? WE CANNOT GIVE FEEDBACK AT THIS TIME.
READ US LIVE AT FIVE SERGEANT PLACE, WAXAHATCHEE, TEXAS.
I CAME TO THE MEETING JUST TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT THE LAND, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEN I GOT TO SEE, I'M SITTING HERE, I'M GOING, THIS IS A LOT OF LAND THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND Y'ALL KNOW ON THE CITY COUNCIL, MY, MY, WHERE MY HEART IS.
AND IT'S WHERE THE ANIMALS THAT ARE BEING ABANDONED AND FORGOTTEN ON OUR STREETS AND OUR BYWAYS AND OUR HIGHWAYS.
WE HAVE A LITTLE
WE GET CALLS EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY.
AND WHEN I SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, IT BREAKS MY HEART BECAUSE WITH THOSE DEVELOPING, THERE IS PEOPLE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF ANIMALS THAT COME WITH THE PEOPLE.
AND WE NEED A SHELTER FOR THOSE THAT ARE SITTING HERE REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPERS.
WE NEED HELP AS CITIZENS BECAUSE OUR COMMISSIONER'S, COURT'S NOT DOING MUCH FOR US.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE INTO STUDIES, I REALIZE THAT, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S TOUGH HAVING TO ANSWER CALLS ON INJURED ANIMALS OR ABANDONED ANIMALS.
I JUST WISH THAT A LOT OF THE FUNDS THAT GO THROUGH DEVELOPING WOULD DEVELOP A SHELTER IN OUR COUNTY, IN OUR CITY.
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THANK YOU.ANYONE ELSE? READY, SIR? ALRIGHT.
MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER BARNES.
MY DAD WAS DOUG BARNES, FORMER DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FORMER CITY COUNCIL, AND FORMER MAYOR OF THIS CITY, WAXAHATCHEE.
UM, I CURRENTLY RESIDE AT 6 0 7 BROOKSIDE ROAD.
I'M PLAYING CATCH UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE, AND I COULD PROBABLY SPEAK FOR THE NEIGHBORS ON BROOKSIDE ROAD THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL.
UM, AND THE THE QUESTION I ASK YOU IS, IS WHY, WHAT, WHAT IS THE HURRY? I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPED AND YOU'RE ANTICIPATING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK IT'S 13,000 HOUSING UNITS OR WHATEVER THE DEVELOPMENT IS.
I MEAN, LOOK AT 77 NORTH, 77, WITH ALL THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT UP THERE, TRAFFIC IS HORRENDOUS.
I MEAN, EVEN COMING OFF OF 2 87, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S HORRENDOUS.
AND IT'S, THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO BRING IN MORE GROWTH, WHICH I'M SURE IT WILL BE, 'CAUSE MY DAD WOULD ALWAYS SAY THAT GROWTH, YOU CAN'T STOP THE GROWTH.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN TRY TO MAINTAIN IT, MITIGATE IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE WANT TO KEEP THE SMALL TOWN FEEL, BUT IN THIS DAY AND AGE, WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING IN WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I ASK FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU MAKE THE DECISION, PUT YOURSELF ON BROOKSIDE ROAD.
WOULD YOU WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK ACROSS AND SEE ALL THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS? YOU WANT BROOKSIDE ROAD TO BE A FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY OR WHATEVER THE DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE.
BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT, YOU CAN'T SUSTAIN IT UNLESS YOU TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRE-PLAN AHEAD AND BE PROACTIVE AND NOT BE REACTIVE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I, THE OTHER THING IS, IS LIKE WHEN I WAS HELPING MY DAD RUN FOR REELECTION, UM, PEOPLE WOULD COME UP TO HIM AND SAY, SIR, I'VE TALKED TO YOUR PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE RUNNING AGAINST.
AND THEY SAY, YEAH, WE WANT TO KEEP THE SMALL TOWN FIELD.
YEAH, WE WON'T, WE WON'T BRING IN THE GROWTH.
AND MY DAD WOULD BE HONEST WITH 'EM AND TELL 'EM THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T STOP THE GROWTH.
YOU CAN TRY TO MITIGATE IT AND YOU TRY TO MAINTAIN IT, BUT YOU CAN'T STOP THE GROWTH.
AND THE REASON WHY I BRING THAT UP IS, IS THAT FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, I WORKED IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE'S BEEN POLITICIANS FROM NATIONAL, STATE, CITY AND LOCAL OFFICIALS.
AND PEOPLE WILL TELL PEOPLE WHEN THEY WANNA RUN, THEY'LL TELL 'EM EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR, BUT WHEN THEY GET INTO OFFICE, THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND JUST LIKE THAT.
WHETHER IT'S THE POWER, WHETHER IT'S THE POSITION, BUT THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM.
SO AS I SPEAK TONIGHT, AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON BROOKSIDE ROAD, I ASK, WHEN YOU SIT BACK AND YOU'RE IN THAT HOUSE THAT'S ON BROOKSIDE ROAD, TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU MAKE THE VOTE, YOU VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON BROOKSIDE ROAD.
THAT'S A BETTERMENT FOR THEM AS WELL AS FOR THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE.
MS. MAYOR, I KNOW MY DAD THOUGHT VERY HIGHLY OF YOU, RESPECTED YOU, AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR DECISION.
AND LIKE I SAID, I HOPE YOU GUYS MAKE THE DECISION THAT'S BEST FOR THE PEOPLE OF BROOKSIDE ROAD AS WELL AS FOR THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE.
ANYONE ELSE? AND REAL QUICK BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, UH, I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THIS BEFORE WE STARTED, BUT ANY SPEAKING TONIGHT WILL BE DONE AT THE PODIUM.
UH, THERE WON'T BE ANY OUTBURSTS, UH, ANY CLAPPING, ANY OF THAT.
AND WE'VE GOT A SERIOUS, SOME SERIOUS DECISIONS TO MAKE TONIGHT.
AND, UM, I KNOW ALL I KNOW, THIS DECISION IS NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR HEARTS.
SO PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD, UH, REFRAIN FROM DOING THAT TONIGHT.
I LIVE, UH, TWO 13 SUMAC DRIVE.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA IS RIGHT WHERE THE NEW TOM THUMB IS.
SO WE SHARE AN ENTRANCEWAY WITH THE NEW TOM THUMB AND THE, UH, BJ'S, ANYONE THAT LIVES IN THAT SUBDIVISION KNOWS THAT HEDGEWOOD DRIVE HAS BECOME A PART OF 77.
NOW, I'M ALL FOR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
I UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY FOR THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS BEING DONE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE.
AND I HAVE LITERALLY SEEN VEHICLES TRAVELING AT ABOUT 60 MILES PER HOUR BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ENTERING INTO A SUBDIVISION AND 77.
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THIS IS THE FIRST TOWN HALL MEETING I'VE BEEN TO BECAUSE IT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE BUILDING PROCESS GOING ON.AND I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT IS BEING DONE AS FAR AS ACCOMMODATING THE NEW RESIDENTS, THE BUSINESSES, BECAUSE IT LITERALLY TAKES 20 TO 25 MINUTES TO DRIVE FROM MY, THE ENTRANCE OF MY SUBDIVISION, WHICH NOW HAS A TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
SO THERE ARE THREE TRAFFIC LIGHTS THAT WEREN'T THERE BEFORE TO WALMART.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THINGS BEING BUILT NORTH OF 2 87.
IT'S JUST THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE CONSIDERATION THAT'S GIVEN AS FAR AS THE, UH, ACCESS DRIVING AND, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE.
IF NOTHING ELSE, STOP, PLEASE CONSIDER STOP SIGNS BECAUSE EDGEWOOD DRIVE AND TWO 77TH ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S BECOMING PROBLEMATIC IF YOU LIVE THERE.
ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
MY NAME IS HELEN WAGNER AND I LIVE IN ROCKET.
UM, I LIVED OUT THERE ABOUT 30 YEARS AND IT USED TO BE COUNTRY AND IT'S NOT ANYMORE.
BUT I, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS, I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE GROWTH WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, BUT MY CONCERN IS, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET AN ANSWER THAT I UNDERSTAND OR A STRAIGHT ANSWER ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THIS HUGE DEVELOPMENT.
I WAS TOLD IT'S GONNA BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY.
SO THAT MEANS OUR TAXES, EVERYBODY'S TAXES ARE GONNA GO WAY UP.
SO IS THAT, I'M, I'M HERE FOR INFORMATION.
IS THAT TRUE? OR, OR IS IT THE BUILDER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE? WE CAN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT THE STAFF AFTER THE MEETING.
UH, THERE'LL BE STAFF STANDING BY IF YOU WANT TO WANNA ASK THEM, THEN.
WE CAN ADDRESS IT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA.
WE JUST CAN'T ADDRESS LEGALLY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM UPCOMING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO.
WHEN IS THAT? IT'S THE NEXT ITEM DONE WITH THIS.
ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[5. Public Hearing on a request by Dennis Church, Minto Communities Texas, LLC, for a Zoning Change from Planned Development-Mixed Use Residential (PD-MUR), Single Family-1 (SF-1), Future Development (FD), and General Retail (GR) zoning districts to a Planned Development (PD) zoning district, located at 300 Brookside Road (Property ID’s 179468, 179534, 182520, 187960, 189323, 189326, 189333, 189336, 192306, 193815, 193822, 193823, 234203, 263786, 264568, 303651, 303652) – Owners: Walton Texas LP, United Presbyterian Homes, William & Leanne Kelley (ZDC-232-2024)]
NUMBER FIVE, A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY DENNIS CHURCH MENTO COMMUNITIES, TEXAS LLC FOR A ZONING CHANGE FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY SF ONE, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICTS TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 300 BROOKSIDE ROAD OWNERS, WALTON, TEXAS, LP, UNITED PRESBYTERIAN HOMES.I'M GONNA KEEP MY PRESENTATION, UH, BRIEF AS WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED ON THIS BEFORE.
UM, JUST TO GIVE A GENERAL LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN BETWEEN 8 75 AND 1446 AND DIRECTLY WEST OF 2 87 AND BROOKSIDE ROAD.
UH, THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS TO IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT MUR, SINGLE FAMILY ONE DISTRICT TO, TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THE NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, REQUESTED IS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE KEM ACT.
WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING AS PART OF THIS REQUEST IS APPROXIMATELY 3,100 ACRES OF TOTAL LAND.
APPROXIMATELY 206 ACRES ARE CURRENTLY IN THE ETJ AS PART OF THIS, UH, PROCESS.
UM, THERE IS AN ITEM RIGHT AFTER THIS, UH, THAT IS IN CONJUNCTION, THAT'S AN ANNEXATION, UM, WHICH WE'LL NEED TO TAKE PLACE AT THE SAME TIME AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THEY'RE REQUESTING, UM, 13,270 DWELLING UNITS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT THESE 13,270 DWELLING UNITS IS A MIXTURE BETWEEN YOUR TRADITIONAL ACTIVE ADULT, UM, MULTI-FAMILY, UH, MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, UH, DWELLINGS, INCLUDING THEIR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
UM, UP TO 11,880 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS ARE GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY 13, UH, HUNDRED TO 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
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THE ESTIMATED OVERALL DING UNITS PER ACRE IS 4.18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, THEY'RE PROVIDING A 400, A MINIMUM OF 400 ACRES OF TOTAL OPEN SPACE WITH APPROXIMATELY 45 TO 50 OF THAT, OF THOSE ACRES IN FLOODPLAIN.
UH, THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE WILL BE BROKEN OUT INTO VARIOUS PARKS, TRAILS, ET CETERA, THAT YOU CAN FIND IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
UM, AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING WE HAD SINCE THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, UM, UP TO TODAY, THERE WAS A WORKSHOP WHERE MANY THINGS WERE DISCUSSED AS PART OF THAT WORKSHOP.
UH, ONE ITEM WAS DISCUSSED TO ADD IN HERE, UH, STAFF FELT THAT ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, COMMERCIAL NEEDED TO TO OCCUR, UM, THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO HAVE A BETTER ACCESS.
UM, THEY DID GO AHEAD AND PUT, UM, LITTLE POCKETS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO, TO MEET THIS REQUIREMENT OR TO MEET THIS AS THEY AGREED.
UM, ONE THING THAT WASN'T AGREED TO WAS, WHEN DOES THIS GO INTO EFFECT? UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT AT ANY TIME THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, COMMERCIAL CAN BE USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, STAFF PROPOSE THAT IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY, IT WOULD NEED TO GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL JUST AS A REGULAR ITEM AND NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM FOR ITS ZONING CHANGE.
AND SO THAT'S ONE ITEM WE WOULD NEED CLARIFICATION FROM COUNSEL OF HOW YOU'D LIKE TO US, UH, PROCEED ON THAT.
UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS ORDINANCE, UH, THE NEXT TIME I WANTED TO BRING UP, UM, ONCE AGAIN, WE'VE GONE OVER LOT MIX.
WE'VE GONE OVER THE DESIGN, UH, THE STYLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, IN PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS, SOME GOING IN TIME, GO OVER, NOT GO OVER THAT TODAY.
UM, IS THE ANTI MONOTONY, UM, GOING BACK AND FORTH AT THE WORKSHOP, UH, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT WE DO A FOUR TWO.
UM, HERE'S THE ANTI-MONEY THAT'S PRESENTED.
UH, THIS BROWN RECTANGLE IS THE PROPOSED LOT IN QUESTION.
SO WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN, BUILDS A HOME, UM, THESE HOMES IN RED WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE THE SAME ARCHITECTURALLY OR COLOR OF THE PRIMARY OF THE, OF THIS, OF THE, UH, LOT IN QUESTION.
EVERYTHING ELSE IN GREEN CAN BE ARCHITECTURALLY THE SAME.
EVERYTHING WITH A LINE STRIPED THROUGH IT CAN BE ARCHITECTURALLY THE SAME, UH, JUST HAS TO BE A DIFFERENT COLOR.
UM, THEIR COLORS ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO HERE'S OUR COLOR PROVISIONS, UM, MORE SHADES, UH, HOW IT'S BROKEN DOWN THEIR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT WE'VE, UH, BROUGHT EXAMPLES OF, UH, THESE VARIOUS COLORS SUCH AS, UM, BLUES, YELLOWS, RED, UM, KIND OF MATCHING THE VIBE OF THOSE, OF THOSE PART OF THE COUNTRY THAT THEY'RE IN.
UH, THIS WOULD BE MORE EARTH TONE COLORS OF HOW THEY WOULD DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE DARK, MEDIUM AND LIGHT COLORS.
I'M USING IT STAFF BUILDS OUT THE INTERPRETATION.
UM, YES THEY CAN USE COLOR, BUT IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE ARCHITECTURALLY DIFFERENT FOR THE FOUR TWO RATHER THAN JUST JUST COLOR.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, INSTEAD THEY WOULD STILL LIKE TO CONTINUE ON WITH THEIR PROPOSED REQUEST OF, UH, BEING ABLE TO USE COLOR AS ONE OF THOSE DETERMINING FACTORS OF WHAT, UM, OF DIFFERENTIATING THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BREAK UP THE ANTI MONOTONY.
UH, THE NEXT TIME I WANNA BRING UP WAS THE MMD RATE.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PROCESS IMPACT FEES QUITE IN DEPTH.
WE JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING 72 CENTS, UM, PER $100 VALUATION.
WE WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING COUNCIL WAS COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, MOVING FORWARD, THAT IS THE RATE BEING PROPOSED.
UM, AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IS YEAH, WHAT WHAT COUNCIL WOULD AGREE TO.
UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY WITH THE IMPACT FEES, UM, IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, HOW WE CURRENTLY COLLECT IMPACT FEES IS WHEN A STRUCTURE, UM, SUBMITS THEIR BUILDING PERMITS, EITHER RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL.
UM, THAT'S WHEN WE COLLECT IMPACT FEES.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO IT AT PLATING, UM, WHICH IS HUGE DIFFERENCE, UM, COMING ON THE CITY SIDE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN OUR REGULAR PROCESS.
WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT COLLECTING THROUGH THAT.
WE LIKE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER PROCESSES THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING IN THE CITY.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, UH, JUST, UM, REQUIRING THEM TO FOLLOW OUR CURRENT PROCESSES, UH, REGARDING THAT.
UM, ALONG WITH THAT, UM, PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP OUR PRESENTATION OF NEW ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO COVER, UM, IN THE ORDINANCE AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THERE'S QUITE A FEW COMMENTS THAT WERE ADDRESSED AND WE DID CLEAR UP QUITE A FEW OF THOSE COMMENTS.
BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE MAIN ITEMS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, COUNSEL HAS ANOTHER STAY ON AND WE CAN GIVE, UH, MORE CLEAR DIRECTION OF HOW YOU'D LIKE US TO PROCEED FORWARD.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
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JUST TO CONFIRM, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T AWARE, THERE IS ALREADY A PD IN PLACE.AND HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT, AND HOW MANY HOMES DOES THAT INCLUDE? UH, THE ACREAGE, UM, IT WAS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 28, UH, UH, TWO, UH, 2,800 ACRES.
UH, THE NUMBER OF UNITS WAS APPROXIMATELY SEVEN, UH, ABOUT 8,000 DWELLING UNITS AND THAT, BUT THAT INCLUDES ON THE ACREAGE THERE, THAT ALSO INCLUDES SEVERAL HUNDRED ACRES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG LONE ELM ROAD, CORRECT? YEAH.
THERE WAS COMMERCIAL LOCATED ALONG LONE ELM ROAD.
ELM ROAD THAT IS, WHICH IS A ROAD THAT CAN'T SUSTAIN ANY COMMERCIAL VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW.
AND THE DEVELOPER WAS NOT GOING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THERE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THE PREVIOUS PD, UH, THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING RIGHT NOW, UH, THE KEMP RANCH PD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY APPROVED ALREADY, THIS IS APPROVED YEARS AGO, ALLOWING APPROXIMATELY, UH, 8,000 UNITS, IS THIS AREA IN HASHED IN RED RIGHT HERE.
UM, WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS THE SAME AREA PLUS, UM, THE PRESBYTERIAN PROPERTY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF LIMITS.
THAT'S THE ADDITION THAT THEY'RE ADDING TO THIS.
SO THEY'RE ADDING MORE ACREAGE, THEY'RE AT, UH, REQUESTING ADDITIONAL UNITS, UM, BUT CURRENTLY ON THE PD THAT EXISTS TODAY DOES ALLOW FOR APPROXIMATELY 8,000 DWELLING UNITS ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND, AND, AND IN THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING IN THE PD THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE, THAT IS, THAT COULD BE BUILT BY WRIGHT, UM, WHAT'S THE PROCESS THAT THAT, THAT ANY DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW TO INSTEAD OF BUILDING A MCDONALD'S IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE, UM, TO BUILD APARTMENTS INSTEAD? SO, UM, I I, I THINK THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING, I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR WITH EVERYONE HERE.
UM, SO THE PROCESS THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE FOR ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, IF IT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD, UH, THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN TO STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY, AND WE'D GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS THAT WAY.
UM, IN THE CURRENT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, ANY NEW COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, BASICALLY ANY NON SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, UH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE SITE LAYOUT DESIGN, ET CETERA.
THAT'S WR WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
SO IN THE PD THAT'S CURRENTLY SUBMITTED, UM, THEY COULD EASILY JUST, WHEREVER IT ZONED COMMERCIAL, IT WOULD COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL TO, UH, CONSTRUCT APARTMENTS WITH COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
BUT THERE'D BE NO A ANY NON SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE IT.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, EXCEPT FOR IT'S ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL? NO.
EVEN, EVEN IF IT'S, UH, IN THIS NEW PD, THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED.
I'M SAYING IN THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY APPROVED.
AND THE ONE THAT'S REQUIRED, UH, CURRENTLY THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED ALREADY YEARS AGO.
UH, THEY, IF IT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE, UM, WE, IT'D BE APPROVED IN-HOUSE BY CITY STAFF.
SO IT'D BE SAFE TO ASSUME THERE THAT ANYTHING ZONED COMMERCIAL ALONG LONE ELM ROAD COULD EASILY BE APARTMENTS WITH COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
AND THAT WOULD NOT COME OUT FOR A VOTE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED THAT WAY.
UM, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING IS ALONG LOAN ELM, UH, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO SEE IF THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR VERTICAL MIXED USE OR THAT TYPE OF MIXED USE.
BUT YES, ANY KIND OF, UM, COMMERCIAL USE, NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THAT AREA WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
WITHOUT GOING THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL PROCESS.
TRENTON, HOW, WHAT IS THE DWELLING UNIT? AND, AND IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE ON THE, UH, ON THE ORIGINAL P THE APPROVED, THE CURRENTLY APPROVED, UH, KEMP TRAK PD.
UH, I, I DON'T HAVE THE CURRENT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE RIGHT NOW.
I COULD FIND THAT IN A FEW MINUTES.
UM, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME.
WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING THAT UP, CAN I ALSO ASK YOU TO LOOK UP HOW MANY, 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING DWELLING UNITS, AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, A DWELLING UNIT, AN APARTMENT IS A DWELLING UNIT, IT'S NOT A SEPARATE BUILDING.
SO WHEN WE SAY THERE'S 13,500 DWELLING UNITS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S GONNA BE 13 500 BUILDINGS OUT THERE.
HOW MANY ACTUAL HOMES WERE IN THE FIRST IN THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES WERE IN THE ORIGINAL EMORY LAKES COMPARED TO HOW MANY HOMES THEY'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS ONE? THAT IS A, IS A WONDERFUL QUESTION.
UM, IF YOU GIMME A FEW MINUTES, I, I'D BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT TO YOU.
UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
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BELIEVE THAT THEY INCLUDE ANY MULTIFAMILY IN THEIR COUNT.IT'S JUST A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
'CAUSE IT WAS FLEXIBLE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE TO BE ABLE TO GO MULTIFAMILY.
THAT'S WHEN WE WERE REQUIRING APARTMENTS TO HAVE, WELL, I THINK THAT'S RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHEN HE JUST SAID IT'S 4.11 PER DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHEREAS ALL OUR PAPERWORK STILL SHOWS 3.95.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT FLEX AREA.
AND NOT KNOWING WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE ONE OR THE OTHER.
TRENTON, WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR ANOTHER QUESTION, LET US KNOW.
UH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND KEEP SHOOTING 'EM.
I'VE GOT LITTLE ONES AT HOME, SO I'M USED TO IT.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT SINCE IT WAS APPROVED IN 21? UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, NO, THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT REGARDING THAT, UH, EXISTING PD.
CAN ANYBODY ASK QUESTIONS OR NO, NOT YET.
SO TO, UM, TO GET AHEAD OF THIS AND TO ADDRESS IT, TERRY, ABOUT TO SHOOT A QUESTION DOWN TO YOU.
UM, WITH WHAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS DONE, UM, TO CHANGE, UH, LOCAL CONTROL, UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PD THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE, UH, THAT, THAT WE DON'T SERVICE AS A CITY, UM, CURRENTLY WE DON'T PROVIDE WATER OR SEWER.
UM, WE, WE DON'T REALLY PROVIDE ANYTHING.
UM, HOW, HOW EASY WOULD IT BE IF THEY WERE TO PLOT THIS OUT INTO FIVE SECTIONS TO DNX WITH WHAT'S BEEN DONE FROM THE STATE? FROM, FROM, OKAY.
FOR A PROPERTY THAT IS NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, GETTING OUT OF THE EXTRA TERRITORY JURISDICTION IS A, IS A SIMPLE PROCESS.
ONCE THE CITY, ONCE THE PROPERTY IS OUT OF THE ETJ, WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT ANNEX IT.
WE CAN ONLY ANNEX PROPERTY IN OUR ETJ.
SO THE ANSWER IS, IT'D BE PRETTY EASY IF YOU'RE IN THE ETJ TO GET OUT OF THE ETJ.
ALL IT TAKES IS A, IS A REQUEST AND 45 DAYS LATER IT'S, IT'S DONE.
AND THEN WITH, WITH THE PORTION THAT'S ALREADY IN THE CITY LIMITS, UM, I KNOW WE'VE CONTESTED ONE OF THOSE BEFORE AND WE DID SHOW THAT WE DO PROVIDE CITY SERVICES THERE ON BUTCHER ROAD.
UM, BUT THAT HAS ROADWAY AND WATER.
UM, SO WE DO PROVIDE THE SERVICES, RIGHT.
THE BACK HALF OF THIS, WE DON'T PROVIDE ANY SERVICES.
SO IF THEY WERE TO PARCEL IT OUT, IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY EASY TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CITY LIMITS.
IF, IF THE CITY HAS NOT COMPLIED WITH A SERVICE PLAN WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED, THEN IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO CONTEST, CONTEST IT DOWN THE LINE.
AND THERE ARE SOME TIME LIMITATIONS, ET CETERA.
SO WITH THAT, JUST TO KIND OF DRIVE HOME THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS, IF THEY WERE TO REMOVE FROM THE ETJ AND OR THE ETJ AND THE CITY LIMITS, UM, THIS, THIS COULD GO INTO A MUD QUICKLY, UM, WITH NO LOCAL APPROVAL.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT DIRECTION? YES.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN, IS THERE ANY, UH, FORCED OR INVOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, UH, IN THIS PROJECT? UH, NO.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO ANY INVOLUNTARY ANNEXATION.
IT'S ALL BEING INVOLUNTARILY ANNEXED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS VIA THE APPLICANT.
AND, UM, JUST TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED BEFORE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE CALCULATION FOR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, THE EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED IN 21, UM, HAD 8,955 TOTAL DWELLING UNITS.
OUT OF THAT 5,769 OF THOSE WERE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RES YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.
AND SO WE'RE ROUGHLY CALCULATING IT TO BE APPROXIMATELY THREE POINT SOMETHING DWELLING UNITS, UH, PER ACRE.
THE SINGLE FAMILY SECTION, UM, THEY WOULD, UH, IT STATED AS 2.6, THE MULTIFAMILY IS 18 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, THE MIXED USE NON RESIDENTIAL, UM, OR MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL IS ABOUT SIX UNITS AN ACRE.
TRENTON, YOU READY FOR ME? YES, SIR.
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CONCERNS.AND SOME OF THESE YOU AT LEAST TOUCHED UPON, BUT I AT LEAST WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT AS IT RELATES TO STAFF CONCERNS.
I'M GONNA GO ONE BY ONE IN ORDER THAT THEY'RE IN THE AGENDA.
FIRST OFF, THE BROOKSIDE ROAD CHECKPOINT, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, UH, SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT OR AG UH, TOWARDS AN AGREEMENT AS IT RELATES TO SATISFYING THE STAFF? UM, ON THE BROOKSIDE ROAD CHOKE POINT? UH, YES SIR.
THERE HAS, AND I THINK WE'RE, WE HAVE FOUND COMMON LANGUAGE THAT BOTH OUR ATTORNEY AND THEIR ATTORNEY HAVE AGREED ON.
UM, IN TERMS OF BOTH THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER FELT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH.
SECOND, AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY, SAME QUESTION.
UM, THAT WAS THE QUESTION I I BROUGHT BEFORE YOU.
UM, THE CONCERN IS THE TIMING.
DOES COUNCIL WANT A TIME, A TIME MECHANISM TO BE IN THERE THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO AT LEAST HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, COMMERCIAL IN THERE, UH, PRIOR TO THEM DEVELOPING THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL? OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH THEM AT ANY POINT IN TIME DEVELOPING IT AS SINGLE FAMILY DOING? AND THERE'S SOMETHING ON THAT CAVEAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR.
UM, IF THEY DO DECIDE TO USE ANY OF THOSE NODES FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, THAT DOES COUNT AGAINST THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, UH, IN NO WAY DOES THAT ALLOW THEM ADDITIONAL UNITS THAN WHAT'S ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
IS THERE BEEN ANY DEVELOPMENT SINCE THE, SINCE THE ISSUANCE OF THE, UH, AGENDA PACKET? UM, YEAH.
SO I MEAN, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE COME TO SOME AGREEMENTS.
UH, THE LAST ONE WOULD BE THE, THE ANTI MONOTONY, UM, PROVISION THAT WE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION IS WE, WE STILL FEEL INSTEAD OF JUST COLORS, IT SHOULD BE ARCHITECTURALLY DIFFERENT, UM, FOR THE SPACING TO BE THE FOUR TWO, UM, WHERE THEY'RE, UH, INTERPRETING THAT AS ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS OF BEING DIFFERENT WOULD BE A TR A COLOR MECHANISM THAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE STRUCTURES LOOKING DIFFERENT.
SO, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING OUR TRADITIONAL FOUR TWO, AND SO IT WOULD BE, UM, WHAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
BUT TR AREN'T THEY? THERE IS IN THE DA THOUGH, THE, THAT THREE TIER SYSTEM THAT, THAT EACH HOME HAS TO HAVE THREE THINGS FROM TIER ONE, TWO THINGS FROM TIER TWO AND CORRECT.
SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ARCHITECTURAL AND NOT COLOR? YES, SIR.
SO, UM, EACH HOME IS REQUIRED TO HAVE CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS.
UM, WHAT THE ANTI MONOTONY IS SAYING IS IF HOMEOWNER A, WHICH IS THE BROWN LOT, UM, ONCE, ONCE THESE CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IN THEIR HOME, UM, HOMEOWNER, WE'LL CALL THE C-D-E-F-A, C, D, E AND F CAN ALL BE THE EXACT SAME.
THEY COULD CHOOSE ALL THE SAME ELEMENTS.
UM, THE ONES THAT HAVE STRIPES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A DIFFERENT COLOR WITH, WITH THOSE SAME ELEMENTS.
SO, UM, EXCEPT THAT IF, BUT IF, OKAY, SO IF C YEAH, COPIED B THEN D COULDN'T COPY C, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN THAT CORRECT THERE WOULD BE STARTS THE TWO ONE AGAIN.
THAT, THAT WOULD CREATE MORE SPACING BETWEEN 'EM.
JUST FOR CURIOSITY ON THAT, IF YOU BUILT ONE HOUSE WITH, AND IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME SIDE BY SIDE AND ONE OF THE BRICK AND THE OTHER ONE'S STONE, IS THAT CONSIDERED A COLOR DIFFERENCE? IS IT CONSIDERED A, UM, DIFFERENT MATERIAL OR IS IT CONSIDERED A DIFFERENT HOUSE? SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF ARCHITECTURALLY THEY'RE USING THE SAME DESIGN OF THE HOUSE, HOWEVER, INSTEAD OF BRICK, THEY'RE USING STONE.
UM, NO, THEY CAN'T BE THE SAME SIDE BY SIDE.
THEY, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO BE ARCHITECTURALLY DIFFERENT.
UM, THEY COULD USE THAT AS A, AS A COLOR MECHANISM OF CHANGING IT.
UM, BUT USING DIFFERENT MATERIAL WOULDN'T SUFFICE THAT REQUIREMENT.
SO TRENTON, TO GO BACK TO MY QUESTION AS IT RELATES TO LOT TYPE, MIX AND ANTI MONOTONY.
SO EACH SIDE HAS A PROPOSAL, THERE'S NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
IS THAT A, A FAIR STATEMENT? UH, CORRECT, SIR.
UH, THE PART TIMING AND IMPROVEMENT, SPECIFICITY, UH, IT'S NOTED HERE, STAFF HAS CONCERNS AS TO THE PROPOSED TIMING OF DEDICATION.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY AGREEMENT, UH, REACHED SINCE THE TIME OF THE, THE ISSUANCE OF THE, UH, AGENDA PACKET? UM, YES.
SO, UH, DURING THE WORK SESSION, IT WAS, IT WAS DETERMINED A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME WOULD HAVE TO BE UTILIZED FOR THE PARKS, UH, TO BE TRIGGERED.
UM, WHEN WE RECEIVED THE PACKET WHEN
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IT WAS PUBLISHED, UH, THERE WAS STILL SOME LANGUAGE THAT THAT WAS NOT CLEAR.AFTER WE REACHED OUT TO THEM WITH THAT LANGUAGE, THEY DID MAKE THE REVISIONS AND THEY DID CORRECT IT TO MATCH WHAT STAFF IS REQUESTING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE WORKSHOP.
SO THAT IS, UH, CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE PD AND THE DA.
UM, THE NEXT SECTION ZONING AND THE ALTERNATIVE, SAME QUESTION OR IS THIS MORE JUST A CONCERN? SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT, SIR? THE ZONING AND THE ALTERNATIVE SECTION UNDER STAFF CONCERNS, DEVELOPER REQUESTS, THEIR PROPOSED PD ZONING BECOME EFFECTIVE ONCE THE DEVELOPER CLOSES ON THE PROPERTY, UM, IF APPROVED, THIS ISSUE MAY ARISE IF THE DEVELOPER ENTERS INTO AN EXTENDED PURCHASING PROCESS.
UM, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, SINCE WA IT'S QUOTED HERE, THE LAST SENTENCE, WAXAHATCHEE IS NOT APPROVED AS ZONING IN THE ALTERNATIVE REQUEST, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS REQUEST NOT BE GRANTED.
SO HAS THERE COME TO ANY AGREEMENT ON THAT? UH, YES.
SO OUR, OUR ATTORNEY, THEIR ATTORNEY HAVE COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT BOTH SATISFIES US AND THE DEVELOPER REGARDING THAT.
TERRY, IS THAT CORRECT? IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE? THIS IS REFERRING TO WHEN THE ZONING TAKES PLACE.
OH, THE EFFECTIVE DATE, RIGHT.
FOR THE PRESBYTERIAN PROPERTY.
SO, UM, IF THE CLOSING DOES NOT OCCUR, IT, IT GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ZONING BECAUSE YES, 'CAUSE THERE'S TWO TRACKS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO ANNEXATION.
WE CAN'T ZONE IN THE ETJ, WE CAN ONLY ZONE ONCE THEY'RE ANNEXED INTO PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE MAKING THE EFFECTIVE DATE CONSISTENT WITH WHEN THE ETJ TRACKS WOULD COME INTO THE CITY.
I'M, I'M JUST POINTING OUT THINGS THAT THE AGENDA PACKET THAT, THAT THERE WERE OUTSTANDING STAFF CONCERNS.
THAT WOULD BE A MOTION THAT WOULD'VE MADE TO, IF THE MOTION IS MADE TO APPROVE.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, TRENTON, IT'S KIND OF A CATCHALL ON TECHNICAL CONCERNS, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE FINAL PD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, TIA INCLUDED A FEW DOZEN TECHNICAL ERRORS AND INCONSISTENCY.
SOME OF THOSE ARE AS SIMPLE AS TYPOS, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME THINGS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE WORK SESSION.
HAVE THOSE BEEN SATISFACTORILY ADDRESSED, UM, OR HAS THOSE BEEN ADDRESSED TO THE STAFF SATISFACTION? UM, THAT, UH, YES AND NO.
UH, THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED THAT WE ARE SATISFIED WITH, UH, SOME OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS SUCH AS THE ANTI MENANI, UM, IMPACT FEE.
WHEN THOSE FEES ARE COLLECTED, UH, PERMIT VERSUS PLAT, UM, THOSE COMMENTS ARE, HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND, UH, LAST QUESTION, AS IT RELATES TO THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED, UM, AS A PROFESSIONAL IN THIS AREA, DOES THAT CONCERN YOU OR IS THIS TYPICAL AS IT RELATES TO, UM, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT IN THIS PROCESS? SO, YEAH, I, UH, AS A PROFESSIONAL, I MEAN, MY, IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THIS IS A VERY LOADED QUESTION.
UM,
I MEAN, THAT'S, UM, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THAT I HAVE CONCERNS IF THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY NOTED TO SOME TECHNICAL CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO INCONSISTENCIES, ET CETERA, THAT, UM, THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU PUT THIS IN HERE.
SO SOME OF THE CONS, INCONSISTENCIES HAVE BEEN CORRECTED.
UH, SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, INCONSISTENCIES STILL EXIST.
UM, AND THAT BLENDS THAT, THAT I, I BELIEVE THAT FALLS ON HOW THE INTERPRETATIONS WERE MADE AT THE WORKS AT THE WORKSHOP OF THOSE ITEMS. UM, STAFF FELT IT WAS INTERPRETED ONE WAY WHERE THE DEVELOPER INTERPRETED ANOTHER WAY.
UM, I DO FEEL THAT THERE'S ITEMS IN THIS PD, UH, THAT I AM CONCERNED WITH THE AM ANTI-MAN.
UM, OVERALL I'M LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS A POTENTIAL IMPACT OF 33,000 PEOPLE AT FULL GROWTH.
UM, AND SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS I'M LOOKING AT IS, IS LONG TERM OF, YOU KNOW, THE ANTI, THESE ARE THINGS I'M LOOKING AT, NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL, HOW DOES, UM, HOW, HOW IS THIS, HOW IS THIS AREA BEING SERVED? AND SO I I DO HAVE CONCERNS, UM, IF I COULD, I'D HAVE IT SO BUNDLED UP.
I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T HAVE CERTAIN THINGS BUNDLED UP ALL THE WAY.
UM, IT, IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE IN ANY, ANY MANNER OR WAY.
UM, BUT I THINK THE CONCERNS WE'VE STATED ARE, ARE, ARE VALID CONCERNS ON THE STAFF SIDE.
UM, AND I THINK THERE'S STILL CONCERNS THAT WE DO HAVE.
UM, AND THANKS STAFF FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK ON THIS.
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I HAVE A QUESTION.UH, IS THIS DEVELOPMENT IN LINE WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S IN PLACE? UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? UH, YES.
UH, I WOULD SAY A MAJORITY OF IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE ARE AREAS WHERE IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, ON THIS LARGE OF A DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK IT'S, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, AND I THINK ANY PLANNER WOULD AGREE WITH ME WHEN YOU HAVE A 3000 ACRE DEVELOPMENT FOR IT TO EVER BE CONS, THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING TO BE 100% CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, I THINK THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.
AND I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN.
UM, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA FIND SOMETHING THAT, WHERE THERE ARE SOME, UH, CONTROVERSIES IN THAT.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SAY THAT AS A VALID, VALID REASONING.
UH, BUT THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THIS, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSISTENCIES AND THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE IT DOES FALL SHORT.
AND YOU EX YOU EXPLAINED THAT THE MMD RATE, UH, IS 72 CENTS MM-HMM
AND CURRENTLY OUR TAX RATE IS 61 CENTS.
SO IF I DID THE MATH RIGHT, A HOME BUYER THAT MOVED, UH, INTO THIS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD, WOULD BE PAYING A DOLLAR AND 33 CENTS, UH, PER 100 UH, RATE.
UM, SO THAT'S 72 CENTS MORE, UH, THAN MOST, UH, HOMEOWNERS ARE PAYING CURRENTLY NOW, CORRECT? UH, CORRECT.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND REAFFIRM, I, I HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS ABOUT THIS.
UM, THE MMD IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, THIS WILL NOT, THE MMD RATE WILL NOT BE ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S ALSO CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.
DO WE KNOW HOW LONG THE, UM, HOME BUYER WOULD BE PAYING THAT EXTRA AMOUNT? IT'S UP TO THEIR BOARD.
IT'D BE UP UNTIL THE BOARD DECIDES OR THAT THE BONDS ARE PAID OFF AND THEN THE BOARD ELIMINATES THE MD AND THEN IF SOMEBODY MOVES BEFORE IT'S PAID OFF, IT TRANSFERS TO THE NEXT BUYER FOR THAT PROPERTY.
SO, UM, WHEN SOMEONE ELSE MOVES IN, BUYS A HOUSE, THEY'RE, THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO CONTINUE PAYING THAT MMMD RATE AS PART OF THEIR, UM, PURCHASE YEAH.
TREND TR CAN I JUST CONFIRM A FEW THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THIS WAS PRESENTED TO PNZ? UM, AND I MEAN THESE ARE JUST, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE YES OR NO RAPID FIRE.
IF YOU'RE READY, I'LL DO MY BEST.
AND THEY WILL ALSO, UM, THEY WILL ALSO INSTALL TWO SETS OF STOPLIGHTS ALONG 8 75, 1 AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND ONE ON BUSINESS 2 87 AT THEIR COST.
AND THEY WILL ALSO DEDICATE ALL OF THE LAND NEEDED FOR THE BELIEVE TO BE SIX LANES OF 8 75.
UM, THAT WILL BE, THAT'S LAND THAT WILL BE DEDICATED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THEIR PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THEN ON 1446, THEY'RE ALSO DOING THE STOPLIGHTS THERE AS WELL, RIGHT? THAT, THAT'S TWO SETS AT THE ENTRANCE ON 1446 WITH A TURN LANE AND DECELERATION LANE.
UM, UH, THE PARK THAT WILL BE BETWEEN THE JUNIOR HIGH AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITES WILL BE IN EXCESS OF 20 ACRES, UM, AND WILL HAVE LIGHTS, FENCING, PUBLIC RESTROOMS AND IRRIGATION, CORRECT? UH, YES AND NO.
UM, SO JUST SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR WITH EVERYONE, UH, UH, WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS THE SPECIALTY PARK.
OF THAT SPECIALTY PARK CAN BE BROKEN UP INTO, UH, THERE IS A MINIMUM ACREAGE THAT COMBINED.
THEY HAVE TO BE, UM, WHAT THOSE ACREAGES ARE IS DEPENDING UPON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, BUT YES, THERE IS A MINIMUM ACRES THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE TO, UH, DEGRADE, CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALKS, FENCING, LIGHTING, UM, RESTROOMS, ET CETERA.
THE ONLY THING WOULD BE THAT WE'RE LEAVING IT OPEN FOR FLEXIBLE SPORTS FIELDS.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE STANDS IN THERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE TYPICAL PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT UNLESS THE CITY OR THE SCHOOL DECIDE TO MAKE THOSE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS.
'CAUSE THEIR PLANS HAVE CHANGED FOR THESE SPECIALTY PARKS.
UM, AND THEN THE DEVELOPERS HAVE ALSO AGREED TO, UH, THINK IT'S $12.5 MILLION FOR FUTURE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE FOR $12.5 MILLION BROKEN UP, UM, BASED OFF
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OF WHEN BUILDING PERMITS ARE ISSUED, UM, OF WHEN THESE DIFFERENT, UM, I GUESS CHECKS AND BALANCES, YOU CAN SEE WHEN, WHEN THOSE PAYMENTS WOULD BE MADE TO THE CITY.AND THEN THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 13 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT WILL BE ALLOCATED FROM THE DEVELOPER TO THE CITY FOR A, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, UH, ALL OFF FIRE STATION.
TR THAT 12.5 MILLION THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED, WHO WILL BE PAYING THAT? UH, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPER WILL BE PAYING IT? UM, YEAH, THE DEVELOPER BUILDERS.
WHERE'S THAT MONEY COMING FROM? 'CAUSE WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT.
UH, THAT WILL BE, UM, I, I, I'D DEFER THAT TO THE DEVELOPER THEMSELVES.
I'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WHERE EXACTLY IT WILL COME FROM.
GENERALLY IT'S, UM, FROM CELLS OF HOMES, UM, OF HOW GENERALLY HOW THOSE TYPES OF PAYMENTS ARE, ARE MADE IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE SIMILAR.
WE WERE TOLD IN THE WORKSHOP THAT, THAT THAT MONEY WOULD BE DEFERRED.
THAT MONEY ALSO WOULD BE DEFERRED TO THE HOME BUYER.
SO 1 33 TAX RATE PLUS THE 12.5 MILLION THAT'LL BE SET ASIDE.
RIGHT? UH, 26 MILLION, BUT YEAH.
AND THAT'S PUTTING THAT BURDEN ON THE NEW RESIDENT, NOT OUR CURRENT RESIDENCE.
SO INSTEAD OF OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS HAVING TO PAY FOR A NEW FIRE STATION, THE NEW HOMEOWNER, AND WE'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT AND THE NEW HOMEOWNER WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ROADWAY EXPANSIONS THAT THEY'VE CAUSED.
AND THE NEW HOMEOWNER WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THE WATER LINES AND THE SEWER LINES.
UM, BECAUSE THE SEWER LINE THAT'S GONNA RUN DOWN I 35 THAT CAN BE TAPPED INTO FOR DEVELOPMENT ALONG I 35, UM, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
UM, NOW THAT SEWER LINE GET THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT, UM, WILL OPEN UP DEVELOPMENT ALONG I 35 HOPEFULLY, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL USE, WHICH WILL TO MR. BARNES'S POINT, UM, HELP ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC ALONG 77.
'CAUSE NOW WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT ALONG I 35, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOUR, YOUR FATHER HOPED FOR.
UM, WE SPOKE ABOUT A LOT ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF I 35.
SO HAVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE THERE THAT THE, THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL WILL INSTALL, THAT THE NEW HOMEOWNER WILL PAY FOR, UM, WILL IN THEORY AND IT'S JUST IN THEORY, HELP ALLEVIATE COMMERCIAL USE ALONG 77.
WILL IT ELIMINATE IT? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
CAN WE EXPAND 77? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
UH, BUT WE CAN PROACTIVELY ADDRESS THOSE THINGS IF WE APPROACH DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS.
BECAUSE IN MY QUICK MATH, AND I WANT THIS TO REALLY RESONATE.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY PROVIDE CITY SERVICES TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND THE WAY THE LEGISLATURE HAS MADE CHANGES, THEY HAVE REMOVED LOCAL CONTROL WHEN THERE ARE NOT CITY SERVICES PROVIDED.
AND IT IS FOR 88,955 DWELLING UNITS ON 2,800 LAND ACRES.
NOT ALL OF THOSE ACRES ARE BUILDABLE.
UM, YOU HAVE THE FLOODPLAIN LAND, UM, SO IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES, BUT JUST KNOW THAT IF WE DON'T PROVIDE THE SERVICES, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO REMOVE CHUNKS OF THIS PROPERTY, IF NOT ALL OF IT, AND MOVE THAT OUT OF THE CITY LIMITS OUT OF THE ETJ.
AND THEN THEIR APPLICATION GOES TO TCEQ AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT GOES.
THEY WILL ONLY CONSIDER WHERE DOES THE WATER GO? WHERE DOES THE WASTE WATER GO? THIS PROPERTY IS UNIQUELY SITUATED TO WHERE THEY CAN IDENTIFY UNNAMED TRIBUTARIES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND THEY WILL RUN IT DOWN TO WAXAHATCHEE CREEK AND THEY CAN JUSTIFY ALL OF IT.
THEN THAT'S THEN GONNA RUN THE WHOLE CREEK LINE THROUGH.
WITH THAT WILL MEAN THERE ARE TWO MUD DEVELOPMENTS ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN FROM A DEVELOPER IN AUSTIN.
AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE OVER FIVE AND A HALF HOMES PER ACRE.
SO I KNOW THE NUMBER WAS 31,000 NEW RESIDENTS.
WELL, WHEN THIS GOES INTO A MUD AND THEY MAKE NO IMPROVEMENTS ALONG 8 75, THEY MAKE NO IMPROVEMENTS ALONG BROOKSIDE ROAD.
THEY MAKE NO IMPROVEMENTS ALONG 1446.
THEY MAKE, THEY DON'T PROVIDE A FIRE STATION, THEY DON'T PROVIDE SCHOOL SITES.
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SAFETY GREEN SPACE FOR THE JUNIOR HIGH TO HAVE PRACTICE FIELDS ON.THEY DON'T PROVIDE ANY OF THAT.
NOW WE'RE AT 63,000 NEW RESIDENTS WITH ROADWAYS THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO MAINTAIN ON THE COUNTY'S DIME.
AND THE COUNTY'S DIME IS EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT OF THIS COUNTY.
YOU ARE NOW PAYING FOR THAT AND THE NEW HOMEOWNERS AREN'T.
SO I, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY OF THIS, THAT WHAT THE STATE HAS DONE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL IS REMOVED CONTROL TO THE POINT TO WHERE THESE 3,100 ACRES, IF WE DON'T SIT AT THE TABLE AND FIND A WAY TO, TO PUT THE BEST INTEREST, THE BEST PROACTIVE GROWTH FORWARD, THAT'S 60,000 PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S UNCONTROLLED GROWTH.
SO WE'RE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THE COUNCIL THAT WE SIT NEXT TO THAT'S DONE THE RESEARCH.
WE HAD ONE COUNCIL MEMBER GO VISIT A DEVELOPMENT BY THESE GUYS IN FLORIDA ON HIS OWN DIME.
SO TO SIT AND THINK THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN THOUGHT PUT INTO THIS IS DISINGENUOUS.
UM, SO I'M THANKFUL FOR STAFF AND FOR COUNSEL.
UM, AND TRENTON, JUST THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE FOR YOU IS TO, UH, PAT'S CONCERNS THAT, THAT THAT STAFF HAS RAISED, WOULD STAFF BE COMFORTABLE IF THERE WAS A MOTION IF IT CAME TO THAT POINT AND THE DEVELOPER GROUP CAN'T AGREE TO THOSE CHANGES NOW? WOULD STAFF BE COMFORTABLE IF A MOTION WERE TO INCLUDE ADDRESSING ALL OF STAFF'S CONCERNS AS LISTED IN THE DOCUMENT? UH, THE ONLY CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IS IF WE'RE AT AN IMPASSE RIGHT NOW ON UNCERTAIN ITEMS. I THINK IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE DEVELOPER AND OURSELVES TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BIND AND LOCK THEM.
UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO THE INTERPRETATION OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE BACK HERE OPENING UP.
I WOULD FEEL THAT WE WOULD NEED TO REOPEN THE PD AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AGAIN IN ORDER TO CORRECTLY DO THAT.
AND SO I I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF COUNSEL WERE TO MAYBE DISCUSS THAT WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM, UM, FEEL THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE I I DON'T THINK IT'D BE FAIR TO STAFF OR THE DEVELOPER TO BE ABLE TO SAY, TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TO EVERYTHING THAT STAFF SAID AND IF THOSE TERMS FOR SOME REASON.
SO WOULD STAFF WANT, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD STAFF APPRECIATE, UM, COUNCIL GOING HEELS IN THE SAND OR IN THE DIRT, I GUESS NOT SAND
AND THEN, UM, JUST CONFIRMING IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE 72 CENT AND THE D COLLECTION.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ANTI, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PROPOSED MONOTONY JUST BECAUSE THESE ARE NEW HOMES BEING BUILT.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE WIVES AND WHOEVER THAT'S GONNA PICK OUT THE HOME, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THE SAME HOME NEXT TO THE HOME THAT'S ALREADY BUILT.
UM, THEY'RE JUST NOT, THEY'RE, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA OKAY, THEY'RE GONNA WANT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THE SAME.
AND THEN IF COLOR IS AN OPTION, THEN THAT LEAVES THAT TO THE HOA TO ENFORCE THAT AND THAT TAKES IT AWAY FROM, FROM THE CITY SIDE OF IT.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE MONOTONY AS THE DEVELOPERS HAVE PRESENTED UNLESS COUNCILMAN WRIGHT SAW SOMETHING WHEN HE WENT TO GO, WELL, I'D LIKE, YEAH, I WENT DOWN THERE AND WHEN I WAS GOING, THIS IS AN ALL 55 OVER COMMUNITY DOWN THERE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY.
AND HONESTLY, WE WERE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET IN THIS ONE STREET.
EVERY SINGLE HOUSE ON THE STREET WAS THE EXACT SAME HOUSE.
AND IT TOOK ME ABOUT A THIRD DOWN THE STREET BEFORE I RECOGNIZED IT, THAT THEY WERE ALL THE EXACT SAME HOUSE.
OF COURSE THEY WERE DIFFERENT COLORS AND THINGS WERE FLIPPED AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT MY POINT TO THE MONOTONY IS IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN MANY OF OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THESE GUYS IN ALL THE WORKSHOPS AND EVERYBODY KEPT REFERRING TO FOX AND JACOBS AND ALL THE OLD STYLE WHERE YOU JUST HAD TICKY TACK HOUSES ONE AFTER ANOTHER.
AND THAT'S, THAT IS A VALID POINT THAT PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE PAYING 400 OR $500,000 FOR A HOUSE, YOU'RE NOT BUYING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS HOUSE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT FROM DAY ONE.
YOU GO INTO THEIR SALES CENTER AND THEY TELL YOU PICK OUT A FLOOR PLAN AND THEN THEY GO THROUGH AND
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SHOW YOU EVERYTHING YOU CAN PUT IN THERE.SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S THE EXACT SAME HOUSE THAT THIS ONE'S $300,000 AND THE ONE NEXT TO IT'S 800,000.
THAT'S THE EXACT SAME HOUSE IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE STREET.
AND YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T THROW POLITICS OUT VERY OFTEN OF MY OWN.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTY RIGHTS, I THINK IT'S THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING THAT LAND THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE WHAT HOUSE THEY WANT ON THE PIECE OF LAND THEY'RE PAYING THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR.
SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD FORCE, YOU HAVE TO BUILD THIS HOUSE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T DO THAT WHEN YOU COME TO US AND YOU WANNA BUILD A HOUSE IN ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN TOWN, WE DON'T, I MEAN, JUST GO BUILD A HOUSE.
YES, WE HAVE TOLD DEVELOPERS WE DON'T WANT MONOTONY AND WE WANT THE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE THING THAT SHOULD KILL A PROJECT OF THE QUALITY OF WHAT I SAW.
SO I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION, TRENTON.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT MYRTLE CREEK, UH, AND HAVEN RANCH, UH, THEIR TAX RATE IS 68 CENTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? DO YOU KNOW? I BELIEVE SO.
IS THAT THE HIGHEST, UH, IN ANY OF THE OTHER MMDS OR ANYTHING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE CITY IS THE 68? CORRECT.
SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT.
THE ONE THING THAT WE HEAR EVERY DAY IS, IS THAT WE'RE TAXING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE TAX RATE THAT THEY'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW, THE 61 CENTS.
AND WE'RE FIXING A A DOUBLE MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT MAD MAYOR.
THAT'S SO UNFAIR TO SAY THAT'S THE TRUTH.
NOBODY SITTING IN THIS ROOM WILL PAY THAT TAX.
YEAH, IT'S WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOBODY IN THIS ROOM THAT LIVES HERE WILL BE, WILL BE BUYING A HOUSE THERE 'CAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.
TRENTON, HOW MANY, IT'S JUST MY OPINION AND I'M ENTITLED TO IT, TRENTON, HOW MANY DEVELOPERS AND DEVELOPMENTS HAVE COME TO TOWN THAT AREN'T REQUESTING AN MMD OR A PI? AREN'T EVERY ONE OF 'EM THAT ARE COMING TO TOWN REQUESTING A PI NOW, IS THAT NOT THE NORM? IS THAT NOT THE NORM IN THE PRACTICE FOR DEVELOPMENT? IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS BECOME MORE A NORMAL PRACTICE OF THEM REQUESTING A, SOME OTHER TAX FINANCING MECHANISM AND THE 70 WHATEVER THE PRICE WAS, 73 CENTS.
OR IS THAT, AS I UNDERSTOOD THAT WHEN THEY THROW THE NUMBERS OUT, WHOEVER THE DEVELOPERS ARE, THAT IS THE ESTIMATE THAT THEY THINK THAT THE THE AMOUNT'S GONNA BE THAT THEY CANNOT, THAT'S THE CAP.
THEY CAN'T CHARGE YOU ANY MORE THAN WHAT IT ACTUALLY COSTS FOR WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING.
SO THE 72 CENTS, SO THE 72 CENTS IS THE MD CAP.
SO THEY COULD IN ESSENCE, UM, IF THEY GO THROUGH THIS THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IT'S DETERMINED THAT WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS DOESN'T EQUAL THAT RATE, UH, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE LESS THAN THE 72 CENTS.
AND THAT'S ADDRESSING WHOEVER THE PERSON WAS THAT CAME UP AND ASKED ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY WAS HAVING TO PAY FOR ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THERE WASN'T ANY INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE AT ALL.
THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE CITY'S ALSO AND BY LAW HAS TO CONTRIBUTE TO PUTTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE ANYWHERE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE GOES IN.
BUT THEY HAVE TO PAY UP TO THE CERTAIN POINT.
TRENT, SINCE, SINCE MYRTLE CREEK WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, JUST TO CONFIRM, AND AGAIN, YES OR NO, UM, ARE ARE THEY CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS A FIRST RESPONSE FACILITY AND OR $26 MILLION IN OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS? UH, NO.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP IF WE'RE READY.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO THE NAME THING.
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UH, WOULD, WOULD THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP BE OPPOSED TO THE IMPACT FEE COLLECTIONS, UH, FOLLOWING THE CURRENT POLICIES AS OPPOSED TO AT PLATTING? UH, I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE COLLECTION TIME AND WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY TRYING TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT WAS PUT IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S MODELED AFTER THE STATE STATUTE.
SO WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR, WHAT WE'VE PUT IN THE DOCUMENT IS THEY'RE ASSESSED AT THE TIME OF THE PLAT.
SO THE AMOUNT OF THE IMPACT FEES IS DEVELOPED OR SHARED WITH US AT THE TIME OF THE PLAT, THE
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COLLECTION, AT BUILDING PERMIT.AND WE ONLY HAVE IT IN THERE 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE STATUTE.
SO DO WE, WE CAN CHANGE IT TO JUST SAY, WE'LL DO IMPACT FEES THE WAY THEY DO THE STATUTE, STATUTE SAYS.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT STAFF UNDERSTOOD.
I I JUST HEARD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING AND MAYBE I HAVEN'T BEEN LISTENING, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WAS THE CONCERN BEFORE.
SO IF IT JUST STATED FOLLOWS CURRENT PROCEDURES OR A YEAH, JUST FOLLOW PROCEDURES AS YEAH.
LET, LET LET ME ADD ONE THING.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS YOU'RE REQUESTING TO PAY IMPACT FEES OBVIOUSLY AT TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THEY WOULD BE THE IMPACT FEES IN EFFECT AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT.
DO I MISUNDERSTAND THAT? NO, NO.
WE'RE THE, THE IMPACT FEES ARE ASSESSED SURE.
AT THE TIME THE PLAT IS RECORDED.
BUT, BUT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER THE STATUTE TO WORK OUT DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENTS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT Y'ALL WANTED TO DO AN ARRANGEMENT THAT SAID CLEARLY PAYMENT AT BUILDING PERMIT OF THOSE IMPACT FEES IN, IN, IN EXISTENCE AT THE TIME OF THE BUILDING PERMIT.
AGAIN, WE JUST HAD IT IN THERE THE WAY THE STATUTE READS AND THEN, BUT, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IN WHAT TERRY HAS SAID IN THE PAST, WE, WE WANT THE LANGUAGE TO BE WHAT OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE AND SO FORTH LANG OUR NORMAL PROCESS TO BE.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND THEN, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WHAT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE SAYS SO IT MAKES SURE IT GETS INTO THE DA.
AND, AND THEN, UM, ANY CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY, UH, THAT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE, THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL? YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE NOT OKAY WITH THAT ONE.
AND, AND, AND THE REASON IS AT THE WORKSHOP THAT THE, THE DISCUSSION WAS, UM, THAT THEY WANTED THE ABILITY TO PUT COMMERCIAL THERE.
SO WE, WE IDENTIFIED, AND REALLY IT WAS SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT AROUND THE SCHOOLS.
UM, AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME USES THAT ARE ALREADY PERMITTED TO BE AROUND THE SCHOOLS, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE THE ABILITY TO PUT MORE, RIGHT? SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED ADDITIONAL 28 ACRES, I THINK IT IS, BETWEEN THE THREE LOCATIONS THAT WE ADDED, UH, COMMERCIAL TWO.
AND MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT I SAID, LISTEN, WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.
THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT YOU CAN'T, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO TAKE RESIDENTIAL LAND AND ZONE IT COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT WE WANTED ANYBODY THAT KNEW THAT BOUGHT OUT THERE TO KNOW THAT THOSE AREAS COULD TURN OUT TO BE COMMERCIAL.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, I I MY TAKE AGAIN, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE, UH, THE, THE WORKING TOGETHER PART OF IT.
THERE WASN'T AN INTENTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IF WE WANTED TO PUT THE ACTUAL UNDERLYING ZONING THERE.
'CAUSE THE COMMERCIAL IS WE SET IT UP AS AN OVERLAY.
SO KEEP IN MIND THESE, ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS ARE, ARE YEARS OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM 'CAUSE THEY'RE FURTHER OUT INTO THE PROPERTY.
WELL, BUT I THINK THE, THE ISSUE HERE THOUGH IS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING, IF WE DON'T HAVE VERBIAGE IN PLACE, THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S ALONG I 35 COULD FLIP TO SINGLE FAMILY WITHOUT APPROVAL.
ONLY THESE THREE LITTLE AREAS.
UM, LET ME GO AHEAD AND SHOW YOU ON THE MAP.
THE THREE AREAS, THE INSIDE ONES, BUT IF IT'S RIGHT, SO, SO THE COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL THAT'S DIFFERENT.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL THAT HE'S REFERRING TO IS, ARE, ARE THESE NO LITTLE COMMERCIAL NODES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'RE DESIGNED MORE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THE PROVISIONS OF IT CAN BE USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENTS OR, OR COMMERCIAL.
UM, ON OUR, ALONG OUR NODES OF I 35, THOSE ARE COMMERCIALLY ZONED IN OUR MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHICH IT HAS TO HAVE A COMPONENT OF SOME SORT OF DWELLING MIXED WITH COMMERCIAL.
SO AND SO THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL ON I THREE FIVE NO MATTER WHAT.
UM, JUST THESE LITTLE POCKET NODES WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE OUTLINED, UM, JUST ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIALS OR, SO WOULD IT BENEFIT US TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE READ THAT THERE'S AT MINIMUM 28 ACRES OF DEDICATED COMMERCIAL ALONG THE TWO PRIMARY ROADWAYS? WE ALREADY HAVE.
WE, WE ALREADY HAVE LANGUAGE STATING THAT.
BUT THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK IF, AS LONG AS YOU'RE GONNA HIT YOUR 28 ACRES.
LEMME POINT TO THIS TO MAKE SURE WE ALL KNOW EXACTLY WE'RE TALKING.
SO YOU WANT POINT, WILL YOU POINT OUT HE HAS A POINTER? YEAH.
SO IF YOU SEE THOSE THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE A LITTLE, THE CANDY CANE STRIPING IS WHAT I CALL IT.
UM, THOSE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NODES.
SO THOSE CAN BE USED FOR EITHER SINGLE FAMILY OR COMMERCIAL, UH, TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, IT'S BATTERIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE AND THIS
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ONE UP HERE, THERE'S ONE DOWN 46 ON VISTA.SO WE ADDED, WE ADDED THOSE AREAS IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER COMMERCIAL WE ALREADY HAD.
THOSE ARE AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE THOUGHT THEY WERE LOGICAL LOCATIONS THAT THEY MAY FIT AS COMMERCIAL AND WE WANTED ANYBODY THAT BOUGHT A HOME ANYWHERE NEAR ONE OF THOSE TO KNOW THAT THOSE AREAS COULD BE COMMERCIAL.
AND SO, SO ONE MORE THING THAT THE COMMERCIAL IN THOSE AREAS ARE ACTUALLY MORE LIMITED THAN THE REST OF OUR COMMERCIAL AREAS AS WELL.
RIGHT? THEY'RE MORE DESIGNED FOR YOUR, SO WE DON'T RUN ANOTHER INSTANCE LIKE GARDEN VALLEY WITH THAT SEVEN 11, THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO ALLOW FOR SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THESE NODES ARE FOR BOTH TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY WHERE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE REZONING, IT'S GOING BASICALLY THE MARKET AND OKAY, SO THEN TO THAT POINT, A SEVEN 11 WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL TO BUILD, UH, THE SITE PLAN WILL YES.
FOR ANY NON-COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE, THE DISAGREEMENT, NOT THAT AT ALL DEVELOPMENT.
THE DISAGREEMENT IS, LET'S JUST SAY WHEN WE GET TO THAT, THAT SPOT ON, ON ON 8 75 FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE GET THERE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE GO AHEAD AND PUT RESIDENTIAL THERE OR HOLD IT OFF FOR COMMERCIAL.
WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR PERMISSION TO PUT RESIDENTIAL THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THIS, THESE WERE AREAS THAT WE DID NOT HAVE PROPOSED FOR COMMERCIAL ORIGINALLY AT THE WORKSHOP.
WE AGREED TO ADD THEM WITH THE PROVISION THAT THEY'D BE AN OVERLAY SO THAT WE COULD DO EITHER OR.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AGAIN.
THAT WAS, THAT, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION I THINK.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GET RID OF ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL.
WE JUST ADDED THE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN SO THAT ANYBODY THAT BOUGHT NEAR THEM WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF WE ULTIMATELY DID BUILD IT.
SO THEN AM AM I HEARING CORRECTLY THAT TECHNICALLY, UH, WOULD THOSE 28, THE ACRES NOW DESIGNATED MM-HMM
IF, IF IT WAS BUILT OUT CORRECT AND IT, IT WOULD ACTUALLY COULD POTENTIALLY DECREASE THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS IF BUILT OUT, IF FULLY BUILT OUT.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT WILL NEVER ADD TO THE OVERALL DWELLING UNITS.
SO IF, SO, IF THE CANDY CANE STRIPES, IF THOSE ARE BUILT INTO HOMES, UM, IT WOULD NOT ADD TO THE 13,000 HOMES.
NO, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY CLARIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEY WERE, SO IT WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE.
IT WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOMES POTENTIALLY.
OR THEY COULD USE THOSE HOMES IN THE FLEX DISTRICT OR THOSE DWAYNE UNITS IN THE FLEX DISTRICT.
THE MAIN IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD NOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HOMES.
IT'S THE MAX DOESN'T CHANGE GOING UNITS.
SO THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE THAT WE THOUGHT THAT WE DEVELOPED AT THE WORKSHOP.
I, AND I THINK WE JUST NEED A TIMING MECHANISM.
ONE OF SAP'S CONCERNS IS WOULD THEY GO STRAIGHT TO SINGLE FAMILY AND NOT EVEN GIVE IT A CHANCE, GIVE COMMERCIAL A CHANCE TO DEVELOP IN THAT AREA.
'CAUSE A COMMERCIAL CAN TAKE TIME.
AND SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S WHERE STAFF'S LOOKING AT THIS FROM A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN PLACE FOR, IF THESE GUYS FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ARE NO LONGER HERE, ANOTHER DEVELOPER AND THEY WANNA DO STRAIGHT SINGLE FAMILY, WE WANT THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY OR SOME SORT OF TI ME TIMING MECHANISM.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE THOUGHT OF COMING BACK THROUGH COUNCIL, UH, JUST TO GET THE THUMBS UP THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH SINGLE FAMILY THERE AS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, NON-PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I GUESS, I GUESS FROM THE, THE MASTER PLANNING STANDPOINT, UM, ALL OF THOSE LOCATIONS AGAIN ARE YEARS OUT, RIGHT? JUST LOGICALLY THEY'RE YEARS OUT.
WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS COME BACK AND LEAVE A LITTLE CORNER SITTING THERE, UM, AND THEN COME BACK AND TRY AND FIT HOUSING INTO IT BECAUSE WE'D RATHER PLAN THE HOUSING INTO THAT CORNER WHEN WE GET THERE.
IF THAT'S WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
'CAUSE ONCE WE SET IT ASIDE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK THERE AND PUT, YOU KNOW, SEVEN HOUSES THERE.
WELL, AND AND I, I GET THAT TO AN EXTENT, BUT I ALSO GET THE NEED FOR ROOFTOPS TO DRIVE THE COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT I DID LEARN FROM MAYOR BARNES, UM, IS THAT IF IF, IF WE DON'T ALLOW FOR THE ROOFTOPS TO, TO ACTUALLY BECOME CONSTRUCTED AND LIVED IN, THEN COMMERCIAL'S NOT GONNA COME ANYWAYS.
SO I CAN SEE STAFF'S CONCERNS ON NEEDING SOME KIND OF MECHANISM IN PLACE ON THE NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS, UH, BEFORE WE, WE NIX THAT.
UH, BECAUSE IF, IF, IF IT'S, IF YOU'RE AT 2000 HOMES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THEN 500 ARE BUILT AND MOVED INTO AND THEN WE SAY, OH WELL LET'S GO AHEAD AND NIX THE COMMERCIAL ON, ON 8 75.
WE HAVEN'T HIT ANY OF THE CHECKPOINTS FOR A SEVEN 11, UM, OR
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ANYTHING OF THAT SIZE.SO CAN WE, CAN WE PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE THEN THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S A TIMING MECHANISM ON THE NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS.
YOU GOT ANY IDEAS? I'M, I'M, I'M, UH, IS IT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TIME IN TIME IN TERMS OF YEARS OR IN TERMS OF I THINK IT'S UNITS.
I, I THINK AS, BUT THAT'S KINDA WHAT I WAS GETTING AT BEFORE.
WE WOULD NEVER DO IT BEFORE WE GOT TO THE DESIGN OF THAT AREA ANYWAY.
YOU KNOW, UNLESS, UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTED THE COMMERCIAL, LIKE THE, THE PIECE UP ON 8 75.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DESIGN THE COMMERCIAL THERE TOMORROW WE COULDN'T DO IT 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T GET UTILITIES THERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE HOMES AREN'T THERE YET, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THE COMMERCIAL.
WELL THE TIMING THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE ON, ON, ON THE OTHER LIKE, LIKE THE PARKS AND THOSE THINGS, UM, IS BASED ON PERMITS ISSUED.
AND JUST THINKING ABOUT IT, UM, RIGHT NOW BRAINSTORMING, ONE MECHANISM WE COULD USE IS PLATS IN THOSE AREAS WHEN A PROPERTY HAS TO BE PLATTED IN THOSE AREAS, GENERALLY WITH PLAT THEY ARE GETTING IN THE DETAILS OF IT BEING PLANNED OUT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
THAT COULD BE REQUIRED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL FOR THAT PLAT FOR OR AT THAT TIME.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I'M THINKING ABOUT OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD TO BE ABLE TO THAT WAY, I MEAN AT THE PLAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE AT THAT TIME IS THAT SOMETHING COUNSEL'S COMFORTABLE WITH DENYING THE PLAT OR MOVING FORWARD IF TERRY LEGALLY, IF WE CAN DO THAT LEGALLY.
WELL MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THE PLAT SHALL BE APPROVED, IT COMPLIES WITH OUR PLANNING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'D BE THE ONLY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A TIMING MECHANISM OR, OR OR COUNCIL DECISION WHETHER TO GO FORWARD OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF A PLAT GETS US THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COM, WE HAVE TO APPROVE A PLAT THAT COM MEETS OUR BASIC REQUIREMENTS.
SO, SO WE DON'T GET A SAY I DON'T REALLY LIKE IT, I DON'T LIKE THE LAND USE AT THE PLANNING STAGE.
I THINK MAYBE IT'S JUST THE TIMING THAT TRENTON'S REFERRING TO IS WE WOULD COME TO, TO CALL THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SAME TIME WE WOULD COME WITH THE PLAT SEPARATE ISSUES AND WE COULD CALL THE QUESTION AT THAT TIME.
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO? WELL I WAS, I WAS THINKING I WAS, I WAS THINKING ABOUT ACTUALLY HAVING IT AS PART OF THE PLAT, BUT NOW I'M JUST JOKING ABOUT THAT.
SO I'M BACKING OFF THAT COMPLETELY.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD TAKE A, SOME, AN ITEM AT THAT TIME AT PLAT WHEN YOU'RE PLATTING AROUND THAT AREA TO COUNCIL AS A, AS A AGENDA ITEM.
SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A LARGE ONE IN SINGLE FAMILY AND A LARGE IN UH, ACTIVE ADULT.
SO IF WE PUT A NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS ON EACH OF THOSE, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH? LIKE IF IT WAS 2000 ROOFS FOR EACH ONE AND THEN A DECISION COULD BE MADE TO SWITCH IT.
1500? I MEAN I'M JUST THROWING OUT A NUMBER.
'CAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE THERE YET, BUT YEAH.
I MEAN 1500 IN THE ACTIVE ADULT, YOU WON'T BE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO 1446.
UM, BUT YOU'LL KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF IF COMMERCIAL HA HAS ANY DESIRE THERE, 2000.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK FOR ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COUNCIL? I MEAN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEY STILL WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE SEE CHANGES EVEN AT 2000 I THINK WHAT I IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IT WOULD BE BEFORE 2000.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE IT BEFORE THEY GOT TO 2000 ROOFTOPS AND THEY HAD TO COME BACK, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE CITY APPROVAL.
BUT ONCE THEY GOT PAST 2000, YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE JUST FOLLOW THE ZONING THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER.
AND THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WOULD'VE TO COME BACK, CERTAIN THINGS THAT WOULDN'T AFTER 2000.
I MEAN I, I FEEL IT'S MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT WE WERE REQUESTING.
SO IF THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO AGREE, I MEAN THAT'S FINE.
LET, LEMME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
FOR ANY AREA ZONE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MAKES USE NO, NO.
THAT 2000 ROOF, 2000 BUILT 2000 BUILDING PERMITS FOR WHAT? FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.
WOULD TRIGGER WHAT HAS TO BE SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ON ALL FOUR UNIT? ALL FOUR TRACKS OR JUST NO, IF, IF WE CHOOSE, IF WE WERE TO, IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE TO PUT RESIDENTIAL HOMES, RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT IN THE AREAS THAT ARE DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL OVERLAY UHHUH, BEFORE WE HAVE 2000 HOMES BUILT ON EITHER LOCATION, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK YOU GUYS IF IT'S OKAY TO PUT
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HOMES THERE INSTEAD TO PUT, TO PUT RESIDENTIAL ON THOSE LOCATIONS.BUT AFTER 2000 THEN, THEN, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU CAN'T AFTER TWO AND TWO, RIGHT.
2000 AND SINGLE FAMILY 2000 AND RIGHT.
SO ESSENTIALLY 4,000 HOMES, IT STAYS WITH A COMMERCIAL OVERLAY, IT WILL ALWAYS HAVE COMMERCIAL OVERLAY.
THE CONCERN IS, IS THAT, THAT THE CITY DOESN'T WANT US TO TURN IT INTO HOMES TOO QUICKLY.
SO WE'RE SAYING WE'LL WAIT TILL AFTER 2000 HOMES.
IF IF WE DO IT BEFORE 2000 HOMES, WE GOTTA COME ASK YOU IF IT'S OKAY IF WE DO IT AFTER 2000 HOMES.
WE JUST COMPLY WITH THE ZONING THE WAY IT'S, AND THEY CAN CHOOSE EITHER WAY.
SO YEAH, COULD STILL GO COMMERCIAL AFTER 2000 HOMES.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK FROM THE COUNCIL THERE TO PUT A HOUSE ON THAT.
THAT WAY WE'VE GOT ENOUGH HOMES OUT THERE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT IF THE MAN'S GONNA BE THERE TO PUT SOME UNTIL YOU HIT 2000.
SO TERRY, I I THINK, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS AN OVERLAY.
SO, BUT IF YOU CAN'T, IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE UNLESS YOU, OKAY.
I THINK IT'S SIMILAR TO OUR PARK LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THERE, TERRY, WHERE MM-HMM
ONCE THE TWO 2000TH PERMIT IS ISSUED 120 DAYS AFTER, UM, THEY ARE PERMITTED TO EITHER BY A RIGHT PER THE OVERLAY LANGUAGE DEVELOPED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OR THE RESIDENTIAL WITHOUT COMING TO COUNCIL.
ANYTHING PRIOR TO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, THE LANGUAGE THAT STAFF HAS PUT IN THERE.
WE WILL HAVE TO WORK ON THE LANGUAGE FOR THAT.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER, THEY AREN'T GONNA GO BUILD THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BEFORE THERE'S ROOFTOPS.
SO THAT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE US THE PROTECTION OF HAVING THE OVERLAY IN PLACE PLUS THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS KNOWING THE HOMES ARE BUILT AND INHABITED TO GIVE SOMETHING.
NO, I THINK, I THINK IT'S JUST THE SAME AS THIS IS TRENTON.
I WAS, I WAS HAVING A SIDE CONVERSATION.
UM, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE LANGUAGE.
IF, IF, IF YOU AND TERRY CAN CAN GET OKAY WITH LANGUAGE TO DO IT AT THE PLAT, THAT'S OKAY TOO.
AND I, I, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE HAVE LANGUAGE BEFORE AS PART OF THE CONDITION.
UM, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK ON WITH TERRY REAL QUICK OR IF WE NEED TO GO INTO A BREAK FOR A MINUTE, UM, OR WE CAN CONTINUE ON.
BUT YEAH, WE'LL GET, I I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND HAVING THE LANGUAGE IRONED OUT BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING.
SO IT CAN BE PART OF THE MOTION.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT THEN AND GO TO WHAT TRENTON SAID.
WELL, PRIOR TO THE PRIOR TO WHAT? PRIOR TO DEVELOP 2002, PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT, PRIOR TO PLATTING OF ANY OF THE PROPERTY THAT INVOLVES THOSE AREAS.
WE'LL COME BACK TO MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY TO PLAT IT THE WAY WE WANT TO.
I'LL, I'LL SEND YOU SOME LANGUAGE IN A MINUTE, TERRY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THAT.
I'M REAL CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THIS WORKED OUT BEFORE TONIGHT.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FORCE THIS ROUND BALL IN A SQUARE HOLE.
COUNCILMAN SMITH, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE? NOT ON MY LIST.
IT WAS JUST THE IMPACT FEE COLLECTION, UH, WHEN THAT OCCURS.
UM, I MEAN THE MMD RATE OF SEVEN 2 CENTS THAT THE REDUCTION OF THAT OCCURS WHEN THE BONDS ARE PAID OFF AND THAT'S UP TO THEIR BOARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND THEN MONOTONY, I'M GOOD WITH THE TWO ONE.
AND THAT'S REALLY ALL THE STAFF CONCERNS THAT WE'RE REMAINING.
'CAUSE WE'VE ADDRESSED THE TIMING ON THE PARK DEDICATION AND THE BUILD OUT OF THE GREEN SPACES.
UM, AND THAT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED.
UM, I THINK IT'S 1500 AND 3000, IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK IT WAS, I BELIEVE SO.
UM, AND THEN JUST TO CONFIRM, 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN CONCERNS RAISED, UH, BY STAFF.
THE, UM, THE SEWER LINE THAT WILL RUN POTENTIALLY AND HOPEFULLY ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF I 35 AS OPPOSED TO GOING, UH, THROUGH TOWN AND HAVING TO TEAR DOWN THE OUTFIELD FENCE AT PAUL RICHARDS PARK, WHICH WE'D ALL BE CONDEMNED TO HELL FOR.
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THAT LINE WILL BE ABLE TO BE TAPPED INTO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A WALMART OR WHATEVER ALONG I 35.JAMES, JAMES, CAN YOU COME UP AND SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE? GOOD EVENING.
SO IN REGARDS TO THE SEWER ALIGNMENT, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE ALSO LOOKED AT, OKAY, HOW MANY ACRES CAN WE OPEN UP BY HAVING THE SEWER LINE ON THE, ON THE ALONG I 35 VERSUS THE, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS.
THE EASTERN OPTION ALONG OUR CURRENT, UH, SEWER LINE.
AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE COORDINATE THIS RIGHT HERE TOO, RIGHT NOW EVEN THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
AND SO, UH, BASICALLY THERE'S GONNA BE OPTIONS OF MULTIPLE LIFT STATIONS ALONG I 35 VERSUS ONE, UH, ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE.
WE CAN OPEN UP 4,000 ACRES VERSUS ALONG I 35.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION RIGHT NOW TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHICH ROUTE TO GO.
AND SO WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT AT THE TIME OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO THE ENGINEERING, THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT US WHAT THE, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.
EVEN IF WE DO GO LIKE ALONG THE EXISTING SEWER LINE, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT MUCH IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED TO ACTUALLY CONNECT TO THAT GRAVITY LINE TO OPEN UP 35 AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE TO GET MORE INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN PRESENT IT TO Y'ALL IF YOU WANT TO, BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LIMITED INFORMATION WE HAVE, I, I CAN'T SAY WHICH OF THE TWO ROUTES AND WE MAY EVEN COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT ROUTE TOGETHER WITH A DEVELOPER THAT CAN OPEN MORE LAND AS WELL.
SO I DON'T WANT TO LOCK IN WHICH ROUTE TO PUT IN RIGHT NOW.
I PERSONALLY WANT THE WESTERN SIDE OF I 35 TO OPEN UP A AND WE CAN AND WE CAN DO THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE SEW LINE, BUT NOT IF WE GO DOWN THE CREEK LINE AND THEN YOU RUN BEHIND THE BASEBALL FIELD.
SO AS WE CAN, SO IT'S, WE AGAIN, WE AIN'T GETTING MORE INTO THE DETAIL AND IF YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THAT TOO.
I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT I ANYBODY'S SAYING ON THIS, BUT THAT IS A, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HANDLE WHEN WE GET INTO ENGINEERING.
WE'RE IN ZONING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, THE, THE GOOD THING IS WE KNOW WE CAN GET SEWER ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW RIGHT NOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY IS FOR EVERYBODY.
OH, I, I GUESS I HAVE FOR, UH, THE PERSIDE FOLKS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE, BUT, UM, SETBACKS FOR MULTIFAMILY OR MUL MULTI-STORY WERE CHANGED AND MOVED.
AND, UM, JUST WHAT, WHAT ALL WAS CHANGED FROM THE LAST TIME THAT THIS WAS PRESENTED, UM, TO ADDRESS CONCERNS ALONG BROOKSIDE ROAD.
I'M GONNA NEED SOME HELP ON THIS ONE.
UM, UM, BUT WHAT WE, WHAT WE DID WAS, IS IT A THOUSAND FEET FROM, WE PUT A, WE PUT A SETBACK OF DENTIST CHURCH, THERE WERE CONCERNS OF, UH, WHERE APARTMENTS COULD BE, HOW CLOSE THEY COULD IT BE TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES, UH, DENNIS CHURCH FOR THE, UH, AND INCLUDING FROM LONE ELM AND FROM PROPERTY, OTHER PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.
SO WE, UH, PUT A CONDITION IN THAT WOULD REQUIRE ANY OF THE SENIOR APARTMENTS TO BE 500 FEET AWAY FROM, UH, ANY PROPERTY LINE OR A SCHOOL.
AND ON THE WEST SIDE WE PUT A CONDITION THAT A THOUSAND FEET FOR ANY MULTIFAMILY FROM THE LONE ELM CORRIDOR.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT ON THE, ON THE APARTMENT RELATED SETBACKS? I THINK.
YOU GOT ANYTHING? YOU, YOU SAID THAT, THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THIS TIME? IF SO, COME TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND UH, ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MARY, DID YOU WANT TO WELCOME GO THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION FIRST OR, UM, NO, WE'VE COVERED IT PRETTY WELL.
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WANTS TO HEAR.WELL, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE HERE, YOU KNOW, I'LL SPEAK
WHAT'S MY NAME? IT'S KATHY CAEL.
I LIVE AT 4 0 5 BROOKSIDE ROAD.
I SPENT AN HOUR TODAY TALKING WITH THESE GENTLEMEN.
THEY WERE VERY KIND TO DO THAT AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
AND I'LL, RIGHT NOW I WANNA ASK WHAT THE CITY'S GONNA DO ABOUT THE CHINA CONNECTION THAT WE HAVE.
BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAINLY 1500 ALREADY IN PLACE.
THAT'S WHO OWNS IT NOW? PARDON ME? THAT'S WHO OWNS THE LAND NOW.
YEAH, THAT'S WHO OWNS THE LAND.
NOW I AGAIN, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT, WITH THE STATE.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? ANYWAY, THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.
WHAT ABOUT THE CITIZENS ON BROOKSIDE ROAD? DID WE AGREE? NO.
THERE'S ONE, ONE PERSON HERE OR ONE GROUP THAT IS NOT OPPOSED.
EVERYBODY ELSE, EVERYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE IS OPPOSITION TO IT.
AND I HAVE GAVE GIVEN EVERY ONE OF ONE OF Y'ALL THINGS ABOUT THAT I DISAGREE WITH.
AND SO DO OTHER PEOPLE ON BROOKSIDE.
I GAVE YOU A LIST, UH, A LETTER TO EVERY ONE OF YOU WITH THAT.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? AND THEN SO FORTH.
ALSO, WHAT ABOUT WHAT 35,000 HOUSES OR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO? AND A LOT OF THEM OVER MY AGE AND I'M ALMOST 75 AND I COME IN TO THIS ABOVE THE 55 GROUP.
AND WHAT ABOUT IT'S GONNA DO TO OUR MEDICAL FACILITIES? YOU ALREADY WAIT THREE HOURS IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
NOW WHAT'S IT GONNA DO? ADDING THIS MANY MORE PEOPLE.
AND YOU WENT TO SEE THE, THE PEOPLE THERE.
MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE HOUSE.
I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR IT IS, THEY'RE JUST DING, DING, DING, DING.
OKAY, NOW THEN YOU HAVE, YOU SAID YOU'VE GOT, MOST OF THE HOUSES THEY SAY WILL BE MORE THAN ABOUT 350,000 ABOUT THAT.
WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S GONNA PUT THEM OVER $6,000 IN TAXES.
MUCH LESS THEIR HOAS, MUCH LESS THEIR UTILITIES WHICH ARE GOING UP.
EVERYTHING LIKE THAT WON'T AFFECT ME 'CAUSE I'M OVER THE AGE.
BUT IT'S GONNA AFFECT EVERYBODY ELSE.
THE YOUNGER PEOPLE THAT DO LIVE ON BROOKSIDE NOW COMMERCIAL RIGHT AT THE HEAD OF BROOKSIDE ROAD, THAT NICE BIG AREA RIGHT THERE AT THE HEAD OF BROOKSIDE ROAD IS MULTI-USE.
WHAT ELSE COMES WITH, WITH COMMERCIAL? YOU HAVE PAVEMENT, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE RUNOFF COMING DOWN AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA COVER UP OUR NICE LITTLE POND THAT WE HAVE THERE THAT IS AFFECTED BY THE WATER COURSE.
OH NO, WE'LL HAVE TO MOVE THAT ROAD IF WE HAVE TO.
WE DON'T, WE ARE NOT GONNA AFFECT THE WATERCOURSE.
YOU PUT ANYTHING THAT HAS RUNOFF, IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE WATERCOURSE AND THAT THAT AFFECTS EVERY ONE OF THE HOUSES ON BROOKSIDE ROAD.
IT WILL FLOOD MY HOUSE AND I GUARANTEE YOU WHAT WATER TOUCHES MY FRONT PORCH.
I'M COMING AFTER SOMEBODY IF IT FLOODS, IF IT BACKS UP WATER ON THE WATERCOURSE IN MY FRONT YARD, WHICH HAS THE DRAIN DRAINAGE.
OH WE'LL PUT IN DRAINS IN THERE.
I'VE SEEN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME WHERE THE DRAIN WAS COVERED UP BECAUSE STUFF FLOWED DOWN THE, FLOWED DOWN THE WATERCOURSE AND COVERED UP THE DRAIN AND ALMOST REACHED THEIR FRONT PORCH.
IT FLOODED MY YARD BUT IT ALMOST WENT TO THEIR FRONT PORCH.
NOW THEN WHO'S GONNA COME AND CLEAN THAT? YOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER? OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
THAT SHOULD, MEANWHILE MY HOUSE IS GETTING WATER IN IT.
OKAY, WE DON'T NEED ANY ARGUMENT ANYWAY.
BUT DO WE HAVE COMMERCIAL RIGHT AT THE HEAD OF THE ROAD LIGHTS.
THEY WANNA TAKE OFF EVERYTHING RIGHT AT THE FRONT OF THE ROAD.
THE ONLY HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME IS THE ONLY ONE LEFT IS IN THE, IN THE PROJECT HERE.
AFTER THEY TEAR EVERYTHING ELSE DOWN, THAT MEANS THE ENTRANCE THAT THEY HAVE INTO BROOKSIDE COMES RIGHT TO MY FRONT PORCH, COMES RIGHT AT MY HOUSE.
WHAT ABOUT LIGHTS COMING DOWN THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT PULLING IN BECAUSE PEOPLE DO WORK AT NIGHT COMING IN.
THAT AFFECTS SANCTITY OF MY HOME, MUCH LESS EVERYBODY ELSE ON BROOKSIDE AND WE'RE HAVING TO CROSS A SIX LANE ROAD OR HOW MANY EVER THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THERE AND NOT HAVE ANY KIND THAT'S DANGEROUS TO THOSE OF US ON THERE.
I GO STRAIGHT OUT TO THE, TO THE SERVICE ROAD NOW AND STOP THERE RIGHT NOW.
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PROBLEM WITH THAT.WE HAVE FAMILIES THAT HAVE CHILDREN AND STUFF THERE THAT ARE COMING OUT THERE.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR THEM TO HAVE ALL THIS ROAD AND STUFF COMING IN, CUTTING OFF OUR ENTRANCE, MUCH LESS HAVE ALL KIND OF COMMERCIAL STUFF AT THE HEAD RIGHT THERE OF OUR ENTRANCE.
THAT ALSO HAVING DONE MANY YEARS WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THE COMMERCIAL NEXT TO THE COM COMMERCIAL ZONING, A COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA PUTS THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA IN JEOPARDY FOR THEFT.
ANYTHING ELSE? WE ARE SITTING DUCKS ON BROOKSIDE ROAD BECAUSE OF THAT.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND WRAP IT UP.
AND THAT ONE OTHER THING YOU SAID, TALKING ABOUT SEWER JUST NOW, WHAT'S THE COST OF THE CITY TO THE CITY OF WAH APACHE WHEN THEY HAVE TO UPGRADE THE SEWERS, THE SEWER SYSTEM, THE TREATMENT PLANT.
WHAT'S THAT GONNA COST US? BECAUSE YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO 35,000 HOUSES PUTTING IN SEWER INTO OUR, IT'S NOT 35,000 HOUSES, MA BANG IS NOT GONNA WORK.
HOW MANY EVER, HOW MUCH EVER? WELL YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL THAT'LL PUT IN AS MUCH AS, AS MUCH AS OUR WHOLE STREET PUTS IN IN ONE DAY ENOUGH WATER FOR ONE ONE DAY.
AND THE COMMERCIAL STUFF IS MORE THAN WHAT WE PUT IN, IN, IN A WEEK IN OUR, ON OUR HOUSES INTO THE SEWER LINES.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE SEPTICS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW THAT WAXAHATCHEE WILL GROW BUT IT'S NOT TO DUMP THIS KIND OF STUFF ON US EVERYWHERE HERE.
ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL TO DO THAT.
AND I SAID I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WANNA BUY THESE PLACES FOR THE TAXES 'CAUSE THEY WILL BE STUCK WITH TAXES AND HOA AND STUFF AND ALL.
AND I JUST, I'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS SINCE IT WAS EMORY LAKES AND IT'S STILL THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND AGAIN.
I THANK YOU AND I DO THANK YOU.
THANK THE, ALL THE WORK THAT Y'ALL DO AND EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL LISTEN TO AND THAT Y'ALL LISTEN TO ME ESPECIALLY EVERY SINGLE TIME AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS JUST ONE QUESTION THAT SHE HAD ABOUT THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT.
AND JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF IT, BUT IT IS IN OUR LONG RANGE CIP PLAN TO EXPAND THIS.
THE THING THAT'S WHY LIONS PARKS BEING REARRANGED SEVERAL TIMES ON THE, ON THE PLANS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT.
AND EVERY FIVE YEARS, I BELIEVE IT IS TRENTON, IT HAVE, THEY HAVE AN IMPACT FEE GROUP THAT DOES ALL THESE LONG-TERM THANK YOU EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT ARE GONNA BE HAPPENING IN THE CITY AND HOW MUCH A GROWTH IS GONNA BE AND WHAT'S EXPECTED.
AND THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PLAN.
AND WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON THE PLAN FOR THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT, WHETHER THIS PLACE GETS BUILT OR NOT.
AND LAST I HEARD WAS A HUNDRED MILLION.
SO YOU WERE WANTING A DOLLAR FIGURE.
I MEAN I'M SURE THAT ALL THE TAXPAYERS WILL BE THRILLED TO DEATH WITH THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW.
ANYONE ELSE? LARRY GREEN, 4 22 VICTORIAN DRIVE WALKS A HATCHIE.
UH, ACTUALLY JUST GET A COUPLE POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.
'CAUSE TRAVIS MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY EYE-OPENING WHEN YOU STARTED THE WHOLE CONVERSATION AND THAT WAS, IF THE CITY CAN'T CONTROL THIS, IF YOU VOTE NO TONIGHT OR VOTE NO AT SOME POINT SOMEONE, THEM OR SOMEONE CAN STILL DO THIS, THEY CAN DO IT OUTSIDE OF CITY JURISDICTION.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT IN THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY COULD BUILD BY RIGHT.
WITH WHAT'S IN PLACE THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2021.
UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2018.
SO THEY COULD BY RIGHT BILL TO THAT PD, WHICH IS THE 8,955 HOMES ON 2,800 LAND ACRES, UM, THAT COULD BE BUILT TOMORROW.
DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO US FOR ANYTHING.
SO THEY COULD STILL EXPAND OUR POPULATION BY 24,000 WITHOUT PUTTING IN ANY IMPROVEMENTS, WIDENING ANY ROADS OR DOING ANYTHING WITH THE CITY COUNCILS EVEN BEING INVOLVED IN IT.
THE THE THE PD IN PLACE DOESN'T, DOESN'T REQUIRE MUCH OF YEAH.
UM, THE MORE CONCERNING PART IS THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T PROVIDE CITY SERVICES CURRENTLY, UM, THERE IS A, A ROUTE AND LOOPHOLES THAT THE STATE HAS PUT ON US THAT THEY COULD DNX AND THEN REMOVE FROM THE ETJ AND THIS COULD BE BUILT AS A MUD, UM, WHICH WOULD INVOLVE THEN, WHICH WOULD ONLY BE TCEQ.
NOBODY IN THIS ROOM WOULD HAVE ANY INPUT AT ALL.
SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO RUN THE SEWERS, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO DO ALL THE THINGS.
NO, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD RUN A DRIP LINE INTO THE CREEK AND THEY WOULD SO EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE A SEPTIC? NO, NO.
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DRIP LINE.IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY RUN AND FILTER.
UM, FILTER INTO TRIBUTARY A AND THEN INTO B AND THEN INTO C AND THERE'LL BE UNNAMED.
IT'LL JUST BE SOME WASHOUT THAT THEY IDD ON AN OVERHEAD MAP.
UM, THAT ULTIMATELY LEADS TO THE CREEK, THEN THE CREEK LEADS TO THE LAKE.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY'LL, AND AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT IF, IF WE DON'T AS A CITY CONTROL THIS, IF WE DON'T DECIDE HOW WE DO IT, PUT CONSTRAINTS IN PLACE, THE 2000, THE 2000 ALL THINGS, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITHOUT US A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND IT'S THE PEOPLE ON BROOKSIDE ARE GONNA GET OVERRUN LIKE THEY'VE NEVER SEEN.
THEY'LL, BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE ANY ROADS, THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL SEE SIX HOMES AN ACRE.
UM, WITH, BASED ON THE ROADWAYS 2021 WITH THAT'S IN PLACE NOW.
NO, THIS IS, IF IT GOES THE MUD ROUTE, WHICH IT COULD VERY EASILY GO AND WE'VE SEEN ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN, UM, WE SEE 'EM DUMPING ONTO YEAH.
ONTO ROADWAYS WHERE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.
LIKE ONTO BROADHEAD ROAD, THERE'S GONNA BE, I THINK'S 21 A HUNDRED HOMES THAT ARE GONNA DUMP ONTO AN S-CURVE INTO A BRIDGE THAT CAN'T SUSTAIN IT.
UM, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S IN THE COUNTY.
UH, AND THEY CREATED THEIR OWN MUD DISTRICT AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN THING.
AND THE CITY'S GOT NO CONTROL AND NO SALE OVER IT.
THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE NO CONTROL.
WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? 4 22 VICTORIAN DRIVE.
SO THIS WON'T AFFECT YOU, CORRECT? NO, IT WON'T.
BUT THE, UH, DIRECTLY YOU'RE RIGHT.
WHAT IF WE GET SOMETHING EVEN BETTER? THIS IS BETTER THAN WHAT'S IN PLACE NOW.
MY WHOLE POINT IS YOU CAN JUST SAY NO, THIS GROUP OR SOME GROUP COMES BACK AND SAYS, WELL, WE'LL DO WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE AND WE'LL JUST LEAVE YOU GUYS IN THE DUST BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT YEAH.
NOT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 21.
IT SHOULD BECAUSE IT COULD, IT NO, IT COULD EASILY MOVE BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS CHANGED FROM THEN TO NOW.
THIS CAN EASILY GO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S JURISDICTION AND GO, WOULD'VE COULDA, SHOULDA HAVE SPECULATION GO.
WHAT ELSE MR. GARCIA? MAYOR, YOUR POINT IS, I'M TELLING YOU IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED THEN WE'VE, IT HAPPEN DONE NECESSARILY HAPPEN.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU DECIDE TODAY THAT WE DON'T WANT THIS, THIS IS TOO MUCH, WHATEVER IT IS, WHENEVER YOU MAKE THAT DECISION, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE NEAR ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DO THAT TONIGHT.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT'S NOT YOUR CONCERN IS THAT IT DOESN'T END UP BEING SOMETHING THE COUNTY HAS TO CONTROL.
NOTHING IS GONNA SCARE ME INTO, TO MAKING A DECISION.
IT'S, THAT'S WHY I WANTED HAVE A DISCUSSION.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED THIS DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE TONIGHT IS BETTER THAN WHAT WAS IN PLACE IN 21.
IF THIS ISN'T APPROVED, SOMETHING BETTER THAN THIS MAY COME ALONG OR SOMETHING A LOT WORSE.
NONE OF US HAS A CRYSTAL BALL.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I GOT UP HERE.
'CAUSE WHEN HE OPENED THAT DOOR, I SAID, WOW.
WELL, IT SOUNDED LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE DEFENSE FOR MICHAEL JORDAN, YOU CAN'T STOP HIM.
YOU CAN ONLY HOPE TO CONTAIN IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE.
SO IF THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WE GOTTA MANAGE IT.
IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND IT'S GUARANTEED TO HAPPEN, YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THE OTHER THING REAL QUICK THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP, AND THIS DOES AFFECT ME.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL MOSTLY PAY THAT ADDITIONAL CITY TAX THAT'S ON THEM.
SO WHEN THEY BUY THAT HOUSE, THEY MAKE THAT DECISION.
THEY ALSO MAKE THE DECISION THAT EVERY HOUSE LOOKS EXACTLY ALIKE.
SO WHAT, THAT'S PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THAT'S THEIR CALL.
THEY, THEY DON'T MIND PAYING THAT TAX HO FEE THAT'S ON THEM.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYBODY ELSE PROBABLY IN THIS ROOM.
BUT WILL THE WISD BOARD BE AS GRACIOUS AND SAY, WOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA SLAP THESE NEW TAXES ON THESE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE? I DOUBT THAT.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE, I CAN'T IMAGINE IF YOU'RE TALKING 33,000 PEOPLE, IT'S ROUGHLY AVERAGE FAMILY FOUR, MAYBE BIGGER, BUT LET'S JUST SAY FOUR.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 15,000 NEW KIDS IN WISD.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING TO SPEAK TO ON THIS.
UM, 3.75 IS ABOUT THE AVERAGE THAT YOU DO USE POOR PER SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
HOWEVER, A LARGE CHUNK OF THIS IS LIKE 4,000 HOMES OR NOT HOMES, 4,000 UNITS OF THIS, UM, ARE DEDICATED TO THE ACTIVE ADULT.
SO THAT'S 55 PLUS AGE RESTRICTED.
UM, NO ONE, WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE? UH, IT'S FOUR.
UH, AND, AND THAT'S AGE RESTRICTED.
NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 COULD LIVE IN THAT HOME.
SO THE OTHER IS, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT BIG OF IMPACT ON WISD.
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SO WHEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY'VE SEEN THIS, UM, I WAS IN THE MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND THEM.UH, WE'VE WALKED THROUGH ALL THIS.
UM, THE DEVELOPERS HAVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, THAT STUBBS OUT AT THE SCHOOL SITES AND THEN THOSE GREEN SPACES WE WE'RE CALLING SPECIALTY PARKS, UM, THOSE WILL BECOME THE PRACTICE FIELDS FOR THE JUNIOR HIGH TEAMS. UM, THOSE ARE COSTS THAT ARE BEING REMOVED FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO YES, THEY'LL HAVE TO BUILD A SCHOOL.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
UM, YOU THINK JUST ONE, ONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FOR THIS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THINKS TWO, TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THAT WILL PROBABLY BE IN AND AROUND THAT.
BUT THEY'RE DEDICATING LAND FOR THREE, LIKE TO GET OUT AT, UH, SADDLEBROOK.
BUT THEY'RE DEDICATING LAND FOR THREE, UM, OKAY.
WELL, FOUR, BUT THREE EL ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND THEN A JUNIOR HIGH.
AND THEY'LL ALL FEED INTO THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY'RE LOCATED I WOULD THINK SO.
I WOULD THINK THAT THESE WOULD LIKELY FEED THERE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IS A, I KNOW THAT'S NOT UNDER YOUR PURVIEW.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL ON THE LONG RANGE GROUP.
WISD DOES, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SADDLED WITH THIS TOO.
SO ON THE LONG RANGE GROUP FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, IT WAS MADE VERY APPARENT TO US THAT WAXAHATCHEE WILL BE A FOUR HIGH SCHOOL TOWN BEFORE IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE, UH, THAT THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL IS BEING BUILT AT THE GEOGRAPHIC CENTER OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS SHOCKING.
IT'S NOT SOUTH OF TOWN THAT'S IN THE CENTER.
UM, IT'S GEOGRAPHICALLY IT IS.
SO ALL OF THAT TO SAY, UM, AT LEAST THIS DEVELOPMENT GROUP'S DOING SOMETHING FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHERS WHO HAVE JUST DEDICATED GREEN SPACE OR LAND.
UM, WE, WE HAVE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PUT DOWN.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, AGAIN, IF IT GOES TO A MUD, NOTHING, ALL BETS ARE OFF.
I JUST WANTED TO READ, THAT'S JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS.
YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY VERSUS CITY CONTROL AND WHAT HAPPENS TO WISD WHEN THEY'RE SUDDENLY SADDLED WITH MAYBE ONLY 8,000 NEW KIDS.
BUT THAT'S A HUGE INFLUX FOR A SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL'S PROBABLY ALREADY PROJECTED TO BE FULL BY THE TIME IT OPENS.
I WOULD GUESS THAT'S USUALLY HOW IT WORKS OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO A 16 YEAR BUILD OUT.
SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
IT TAKES 16 YEARS TO BRING IN THAT MANY PEOPLE.
THANK YOU, MR. WELL YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE FACT THERE'S 4,500 MINIMUM BECAUSE THE FLEX COULD HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVE ADULT IN IT ALSO.
THOSE ACTIVE ADULTS DON'T HAVE KIDS IN THE, IN THE, IN THE HOME.
THEY, THEY DO STILL PAY THE SCHOOL TAX.
ANYONE ELSE? HELLO, MY NAME IS JOSE TOVAR, 4 1 5 BROOKSIDE ROAD.
UH, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION.
DO WE, YOU, YOU, UM, I'VE HEARD THE TERM SAID THAT THERE'S A BOARD THAT SORT OF, THAT WILL APPROVE, YOU KNOW, THE PAYMENT AND THE FEES AND WHEN THEY STOP, ET CETERA.
UM, ARE THERE ANY CITY REPRESENTATIVES ON THAT BOARD OR ANYONE THAT REPRESENTS THE CITY? WE DID MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT.
I, I THINK I RECALL THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN REGULATIONS FOR THE STATE THAT REQUIRE CERTAIN MEMBERS TO BE ON THE BOARD.
UM, THEY HAVE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WHO DOES MMDS AND HAS MORE INFORMATION ON THAT, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY TO THE CITY.
AND WHEN, WHEN IT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE WORKSHOP.
SO THE WAY THAT MMD WORKS IS THAT, UM, THAT THAT BOARD, UM, THEY WILL DECIDE WHEN THE BONDS ARE PAID OFF.
IF, IF THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH IT, WITH THE TAX RATE AT 72 CENTS, OR IF THAT WILL DROP TO 16 CENTS OR 4 CENTS OR WHATEVER TO MAINTAIN WHAT'S IN PLACE.
UM, BECAUSE THE DA, UM, DOES HAVE CERTAIN, CERTAIN THINGS IN PLACE THAT THE HOA HAS TO MAINTAIN AND THAT, AND THAT THE MMD HAS TO MAINTAIN AND THEY CANNOT DISSOLVE THAT TAX RATE COMPLETELY, UM, UNTIL THEY HAVE FOUND SOMEONE ELSE TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF IT.
I JUST, I, I REMEMBER THERE SE BEING SOME TALK ABOUT THAT AND I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW IT ENDED UP.
SO, UH, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE ON SOMETHING YOU WERE SAYING, TRAVIS, YOU SAID, SO THE GOAL IS, UH, THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THE SEWER LINE WOULD BE AND WHAT OPTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE WITH THE DEVELOPER.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF WE WE CHOOSE SOMETHING, WE IT BETTER BE SOMETHING ON THE WEST SIDE SO THAT THIS PROPERTY DOESN'T GO TO A MUD, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NOT SO MUCH.
MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THE SEWER RUNS ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF I 35 FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO THAT COMMERCIAL CAN, CAN TIE DEVELOP THERE AND HOPEFULLY PULL SOME OF THE TRAFFIC OFF
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OF 77.WE'RE NOT GONNA PULL ALL OF IT OFF, BUT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE, UM, THEN THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE, THAT ARE OUT ON 66 AND IN THAT AREA WHERE THERE ARE A BUNCH OF MUDS THAT WERE BUILT.
UM, THEY CAN THEN SHOP THERE AS, AS OPPOSED TO GO INTO.
AND SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP TO THAT, ON THE, UM, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS GOING TO A MUD COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE WITH THE CURRENT PD? CORRECT.
THE CURRENT, SO THE CURRENT PD CAN BE BUILT BY RIGHT.
WOULD NOT COME BACK FOR ANYBODY IN HERE TO HERE.
UM, THEY COULD ALSO D ANNEX VOLUNTARILY AND THEN REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM IN THE CITY, THE ETJ, BECAUSE WE DO NOT PROVIDE CITY SERVICES THERE.
AND WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN ALREADY.
MY LAST QUESTION IS, THE MAJORITY IS, IS, SO THIS DECISION TONIGHT, IS IT A MAJORITY VOTE OR IS IT A UNANIMOUS VOTE? MAJORITY.
ANYONE ELSE BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? HEY, MY NAME'S KATIE GREASER.
MY SISTER AND HER HUSBAND OWN ABOUT 60 ACRES OF PROPERTY OVER THERE WITH A LOT OF CATTLE.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO PLAY BOTH DEVIL ADVOCATE TO HERE.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION IN THIS ROOM AND I JUST WANTED TO STAND UP HERE AND ACTUALLY SAY THAT I AGREE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE REASON BEING, WHEN YOU SAID ABOUT A 16 YEAR TIMEFRAME FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE DONE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THE MORE SOUTH YOU GO, THE SLOWER THINGS GET.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA GET DELAYED.
UM, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE BUYING THESE PROPERTIES, SO IF YOU SAY 16, I'M GONNA SLATE IT 20, 25 YEARS.
UM, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GONNA BE LIVING IN THESE HOMES ARE GONNA BE THE HIGH SCHOOLERS HERE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THOSE ACTIVE VOICES HERE IN THE ROOM.
UM, I'M 34 ALMOST MYSELF, SO I COULD FIND MYSELF LIVING IN AN, UH, ACTIVE RETIREMENT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I LIVED IN, I GREW UP IN RED OAK, UM, COMING TO WAXAHATCHEE WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, I, I KNEW THAT THIS TOWN HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL.
UM, I MOVED TO NEWPORT BEACH, LIVED IN A LOT OF COOKIE HOOD ON OUR HOMES UP THERE.
UM, AND I LIVED IN A ZIP CODE THAT WAS TOP FIVE IN THE UNITED STATES FOR 11 YEARS.
UM, I MOVED BACK HERE, MY DAD PASSED AWAY.
AND UH, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE A LOT OF GROWTH, BUT I'M KIND OF SURPRISED ABOUT THE GROWTH.
I THINK THAT THIS TOWN HAS A LOT MORE POTENTIAL THAN WHAT IT HAS DECIDED TO DO.
YOU TALK ABOUT CHINA OWNING THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN THERE.
PROBABLY NOT IF YOU WATCH THE NEWS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY COOL PLACE.
IF YOU CAN GET A CHANCE TO GO, I'D GO.
UM, BUT THEY DO JUST POP THINGS UP RANDOMLY WHENEVER THEY WANT.
UM, AND YOU JUST SEE THAT ALL OVER.
SO LOOKING AT THIS MORE CONTROLLED, UM, THERE'S MORE PROS THAN CONS, I FEEL.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS.
I'M JUST MADE A COUPLE NOTES MYSELF.
UH, GROWING UP, COOKIE CUTTER HOMES WERE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE KIND OF FUN TO LIVE IN, KIND OF BRING A HIGHER END, UH, HOME VALUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, HOUSE PER CAPITA, UH, WOULD REALLY HELP BRINGING JUST, UM, CERTAIN FAMILIES WITH KIDS.
UM, AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN 20 YEARS, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING CITIES, GOOGLE HAS, YOU KNOW, PURCHASED A LOT OF THAT PROPERTY IN MIDLOTHIAN.
UH, THE TEST SCORES FOR THAT DISTRICT HAVE INCREASED.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE, WELL, I KIND OF AM ABOUT WAXAHATCHEE STAYING STAGNANT AND WHATNOT.
THESE MIDDLE SCHOOLS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE WITH THE GROSS PER CAPITA PER HOUSEHOLD AND INCOME, UH, PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR HIGHER EDUCATION AND MULTIPLE OTHER THINGS.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PLACES AROUND HERE IN THIS AREA THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE THAT.
NOT JUST WAXAHATCHEE, BUT THE SURROUNDING CITIES.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE A NICE CHANGE.
UM, SO IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, I WOULD BE PROBABLY THE ONE AGAIN, I MOVED AWAY, CAME BACK HERE.
IF I MOVED AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK AND MY HOME'S ALWAYS HOME.
UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS.
MY LAST THING IS ABOUT THE PARKS AND THE LIGHTS.
UM,
THEY GROW UP WHERE THEY LIVE AND THEY LIVE.
SO THAT'S MY SISTER AND HER HUSBAND.
UM, I HAVE MOVED AROUND A LOT AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL WAXAHATCHEE THIS AREA, MY HOME.
UM, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT JUST YET BECAUSE ONE, I CAN'T AFFORD LAND, BUT I COULD AFFORD A NICE HOME THAT ISN'T A NICE PROPERTY.
I CURRENTLY LIVE IN MIDLOTHIAN AND I LOVE THE MIDLOTHIAN COMMUNITY PARK THAT THEY HAVE OUT THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL BOARD OR OTHER PEOPLE THAT I'M FRIENDS WITH THAT ARE HIGHER UP THAT HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN OVER THERE.
AND THEN WHEN I MENTIONED IT, THEY DID, THEY SAID, OH WOW, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE IS LIGHTS, THERE'S CLEAN RESTROOMS. THE HOUSES AROUND ARE REALLY NICE.
UH, THERE'S SO MUCH MORE COMMUNITY THAT'S THERE.
AND I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT WALKS DOWN, HI CHI IS BEING SPREAD OUT RIGHT NOW.
SOME PEOPLE WON'T EVEN DRIVE TO THE CHICK-FIL-A DOWN THE STREET 'CAUSE IT'S QUOTE UNQUOTE TOO FAR.
UM, SO I THINK THAT BUILDING THESE THINGS AND THESE NEIGHBORS FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC THAT CREATES A COMMUNITY WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, KIND OF ELIMINATES SOME OF THE CHAOS OUTSIDE OF THAT.
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HOW'S IT GOING? JOHN SIMMONS, THREE 70 COMPTON LANE? UM, JUST ONE THING, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S BEEN SAID.UM, I WAS READING THROUGH, TRYING TO READ THROUGH ALL THE LIKE 667 PAGES OF STUFF.
UM, I DIDN'T GET THROUGH IT ALL PROBABLY.
BUT ONE THING THAT CONCERNED ME WAS THAT ACCORDING TO A-N-C-T-C-O-G HOUSEHOLD OCCUPANCY ESTIMATE THAT THE NUMBER ACCOMP THE DWELLING UNITS MAY ACCOMMODATE A POPULATION OF 33,902.
IT SAYS THIS FIGURE REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY 65% OF WAXAHATCHEE POPULATION AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2026, 65% IN ONE SMALL POINT.
AND I'M CONCERNED PERSONALLY BECAUSE WE JUST HAD, YOU KNOW, A LIGHT SNOWSTORM, YOU KNOW, NOTHING CRAZY LIKE 21 HEB.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, GRANTED, I I THANK Y'ALL FOR WORKING INTO THE DEAL WHERE THEY'RE HAVING TO BUILD THE ROADS AND, AND SCHOOLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING THAT I'VE HEARD OUT OF ANY OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT MY CONCERNS ARE, ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S BEYOND THAT SCOPE.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERNS FOR SURE FOR Y'ALL APPROVING THAT.
UM, I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE.
I WAS BORN HERE, UH, AT, AT THE BAYLOR THAT WASN'T, IS NO LONGER BAYLOR.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M DEFINITELY FOR THE SMALL TOWN WAXAHATCHEE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I THINK THAT WAS IT.
THAT ALL I HAD ON MY AGENDA, BUT JUST CONSIDER IT AND, UH, CHOOSE WISELY, PLEASE.
ANYONE ELSE? I'M DEAN SOMY, 6 0 5 BROOKSIDE ROAD.
UH, FIRST I JUST WANNA SAY COUNCIL PEOPLE, CITY STAFF.
MAN, IT'S, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG HAUL
I'VE TRIED TO PARTICIPATE IN MOST OF THESE CON THESE CONVERSATIONS AND THESE MEETINGS.
I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HOW, HOW THE CITY WORKS.
UM, AND I GUESS I'M GONNA BE THE, THE BLACK SHEEP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
'CAUSE KATHY CALLED OUT A COUPLE THAT, THAT DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I, I'LL ADMIT I WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT OPPOSED IT.
UM, BUT I, I TOOK A STEP BACK AND I, AND I TRIED TO LOOK AT THIS AS MATERIALLY AS I COULD AS A, YOU KNOW, LONG TIME LIFELONG RESIDENT OF WAXAHATCHEE, BORN AND RAISED HERE.
I WASN'T BORN IN THE SANITARIUM, BUT I WAS BORN HERE.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT IT USED TO BE CALLED HERE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, SINCE THIS ALL STARTED, I'VE, I'VE DONE MY RESEARCH.
I'VE MET WITH SOME OF THESE GUYS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO.
THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA LAY IT OUT.
UM, WE WANNA WORK WITH BROOKSIDE ROAD.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO OSTRACIZE YOU FOLKS.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, IF TO MY FELLOW BROOKSIDE ROAD PEOPLE, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE REALLY WANTING TO DO, UH, OUR STREET IS NOT GONNA BE IMPACTED REALLY AT ALL.
IN FACT, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS DEAD END ROAD, WHICH IT IS NOW.
AND THERE WON'T BE ANYBODY GOING DOWN THERE EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE LOST, WHICH DO THAT NOW.
UH, THE THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE WITH THIS CURRENT PLAN.
AND, AND MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND YOUR PASSION WE'RE WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER OUR WHOLE LIVES.
WE WENT TO SCHOOL TOGETHER AND THE CURRENT PLAN THAT THEY'VE HAD ON THIS, THAT, LIKE COUNCILMAN SMITH SAID, IT'S READY TO GO, MAKES THE ROAD, MAKES THAT PROPERTY BEHIND ALL OF US TURN INTO THE AUTO BOND, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO ALL OF THIS STUFF, SHOULD THIS CURRENT PLAN GO THROUGH.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF MY FELLOW RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'D RATHER HAVE HOUSES AND SOME TREES AND STUFF BEHIND ME THAN HAVE A FOUR-LANE LIGHTED ENTRY LIKE GROVE CREEK COMING IN ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, IF WE DON'T, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT GO WITH WHAT THIS GROUP HAS PROPOSED.
IS IT BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW? COULD BE RIGHT NOW, YES.
AND I, YOU KNOW, MAYOR OR COUNCILMAN SMITH IS, I MEAN, HE'S KIND OF, HE'S KIND OF SOUNDING THE ALARM BELLS AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT HE'S, HE'S TELLING US EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IN THE, IN THE LONG TERM.
AND THAT IS, IF WE THROW OUR HANDS UP ON THIS AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH.
WE DON'T WANNA DEAL WITH AS A CITY.
AND WE LET THESE OWNERS WHO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD AND HOW HAVE A RIGHT TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY AND ALLOW JUST EVERYBODY
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AND THEIR GRANDMA TO COME IN AND START BUILDING HOUSES OUT HERE.UM, IT GETS TURNED OVER TO THE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY DOESN'T FOLLOW ANY RULES AT ALL.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY LET THESE DEVELOPERS GO IN HERE AND BUILD THESE THINGS AS CHEAPLY AS THEY CAN.
THE CONCRETE, AS THIN AS IT CAN BE.
THERE'S JUST NO, THERE'S NO RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE COUNTY, LIKE WHAT THE CITY HAS.
AND SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE GUIDANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY STAFF THAT THEY'VE MET WITH THESE PEOPLE AND THEY'VE GOTTEN MOST ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS WORKED OUT.
I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY SOME FEW LITTLE THINGS, BUT LIKE I MENTIONED IN ONE OF OUR OTHER MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT LITTLE SEVEN 11 OUT THERE ON BROADHEAD, THERE WAS LIKE EIGHT THINGS THAT THEY COULDN'T HARDLY AGREE ON.
IF THEY HAD 20 THINGS, THIS IS A, THIS IS NOT, THEY MIGHT BE THREE SEVEN ELEVENS IN THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE.
BUT I GUESS I'M JUST HERE TONIGHT TO SAY DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
EVERYBODY THAT'S WALKED UP HERE SAID DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA HAVE, EVERYBODY WANTS TO MOVE TO WAXAHATCHEE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THEY'RE COMING.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA STOP IT.
AND, AND MAYOR, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE A GREAT VOICE FOR ALL OF US AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I, AND I LOVE YOUR PASSION, BUT I'D RATHER BE IN THE POSITION WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW TO SAY, HEY, AT LEAST WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO REGULATE WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO IN THE LONG TERM, THEN TO THROW OUR HANDS UP TONIGHT AND START THIS WHOLE PROCESS OVER.
AND THE NEXT GUY COMES IN AND SAYS, I'M NOT GOING THROUGH WHAT THEY DID LAST TIME.
I'M JUST GONNA TAKE THE PROJECT THE WAY IT'S ZONED RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S ALREADY APPROVED, AND I'M GONNA RUN WITH IT.
AND HERE WE ARE GOING BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMAN SMITH IS, IS SAYING IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THE, THE RESIDENTS ON BROOKSIDE WILL NOT, I PROMISE YOU WILL NOT WANT THAT.
THERE'S, THESE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING IN SIGN SIGNS, STOP SIGNS, STOPLIGHTS, ROAD FRONTAGE, I MEAN THINGS THAT DR. HARDIN OR YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER HOME BUILDER THAT GOES OUT AND DO IT.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING BUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO SELL A LOT AND BUILD A HOUSE.
SO I, I IMPLORE THE COUNSELOR TO GO WITH THESE FOLKS AND LET'S, LET'S GET THIS PROJECT OFF AND GOING AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I THINK Y'ALL GOT ENOUGH CONTROL.
I THINK Y'ALL CAN SLEEP GOOD AT NIGHT SAYING, HEY, WE'VE DONE THE BEST WE CAN DO.
WE'VE GOT ENOUGH CONTROL ON THESE GUYS.
ANYONE ELSE BEFORE, BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE COMES UP? MR. SMAR? I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO WHAT YOU SAID.
'CAUSE IT'S, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR AT LEAST GETTING UP AND, AND SAYING HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THINGS.
UM, I, THIS, THE EMORY LAKES PD WOULD'VE BEEN DEAD ON ARRIVAL, HAD MOST OF THE MEMBERS, IF NOT ALL OF THE MEMBERS THAT ARE SITTING UP HERE NOW, BEEN ON COUNCIL WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED.
BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT DECK OF CARDS NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE THAT IS APPROVED.
AND SO I'M NOT THAT GUY THAT'S GOING TO GET UP HERE AND PLAY, YOU KNOW, OR, OR TRY TO SOUND LIKE I'M, I'M USING SCARE TACTIC.
I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU.
I, I'M A BUSINESSMAN AND I, I LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE AND MY, MY SERIOUS CONCERN IS JUST WHAT YOU MENTIONED.
IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER IT, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND WHETHER IT BE REVERT BACK TO A MUD LIKE COUNCILMAN SMITH SAID, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A STRETCH, BUT IT'S, IT'S FEASIBLE.
UM, MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT SOMEBODY COMES IN AND BUILDS WHAT'S ALREADY ON PAPER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT WILL IMPACT THIS CITY FOREVER AND WILL NEVER, IN MY OPINION, I JUST DON'T SEE US HAVING THE ABILITY TO CRAWL OUTTA THAT HOLE.
AND I LOVE THIS CITY WITH EVERY OUNCE OF MY BEING.
AND I WISH WE'D HAVE BUILT A FENCE AROUND IT WHEN I WAS A KID, BUT WE DIDN'T DO THAT.
IT, IT'S JUST WE'RE DEALING WITH THE HAND THAT WE'RE DEALT.
I JUST WANNA, UH, MAKE A STATEMENT, UH, FOR THE FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE, UH, THAT REACHED OUT TO ME, UH, IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN A, UM, A UH, LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS, UH, IN GOOD CONSCIOUS.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT MIKE COULD HAPPEN,
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AND I SURE DON'T.UM, AND I'M SURE NOT INFLUENCED BY SHINY TOYS, NEVER HAVE BEEN, NEVER WILL BE.
I CARE ABOUT THIS CITY, LIKE ALL OF US UP HERE.
DO WE ALL LOVE THIS CITY? AND IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE PROUD TO LIVE IN OR COULD AFFORD, I'M NOT GONNA PUT THAT BURDEN ON ANYBODY ELSE.
SO FOR THE FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT REACHED OUT TO ME AS THEIR MAYOR, I HEARD YOU.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT A PROJECT THAT I WOULD NOT WANT IN MY BACKYARD OR ON MY STREET OR IN MY TOWN, MY CITY THAT I LOVE SO MUCH.
SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LISTENING ONLINE.
THE PEOPLE LIVING HERE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S GONNA COST 'EM MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT PEOPLE ARE HURTING.
THEY'RE ALREADY BEING TAXED OUTTA THEIR HOMES.
AND PEOPLE CAN SAY, WELL, THEY'LL KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SIGNING UP FOR.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE COME BACK TO US AND SAY, WHY AM I PAYING THIS EXTRA FEE? I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS PAYING THAT EXTRA FEE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT A HUNDRED PAPERS THAT YOU SIGN WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE AND YOU'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT BUYING A HOUSE THAT YOU'RE NOT EVEN PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU'RE SIGNING.
IT'S NOT UNTIL LATER TILL THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT, THAT THEY REALIZE EVERYTHING THAT THAT'S BEING PUT ON 'EM.
THEY THINK, OH, 61 CENT TAX RATE, WHICH WE'VE HELD FOR SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE NOT INCREASED OUR TAX RATE.
THIS COUNCIL HAS WORKED HARD TO NOT INCREASE THE TAX RATE.
AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT 72 MORE CENTS ON EVERYBODY THAT BUYS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT AS YOUR MAYOR, MADAM MAYOR, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A BREAK SO THAT THEY CAN DISCUSS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP? I, I WOULD, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY SO AS WELL.
WELL, I MEAN, IF, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BREAK, I HAVE A JUST ONE QUICK THING TO SAY.
THE ADDITIONAL TAX RATE FOR THE MMD SHOULD BE PUT ON THE NEW HOMEOWNERS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES ADDING TO THE POPULATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO STRESS THIS MAD MAYOR, BUT IF IT'S NOT PUT ON THROUGH THE MMD RATE, THE COUNTY IS BROKE, THE COUNTY'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE ROADWAYS OR THE DRAINAGE OR THE FLOODING.
THE COUNTY'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO EMPLOY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICERS THAT NEED TO BE EMPLOYED WHEN THIS GOES TO A MUD, BECAUSE THE PD IN PLACE CURRENTLY WAS PUT IN PLACE SOLELY TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
AND 96% OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS LIVE ON THE MAINLAND OF CHINA.
THEY DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS HERE.
SO WHEN IT GOES THE MUD ROUTE, NOW THOSE NEEDS ARE GONNA BE PUT ON EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY.
AND WE CAN'T DROP OUR TAX RATE IN THE COUNTY ANY MORE THAN IT ALREADY IS.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO RAISE THE COUNTY TAX RATE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICERS FOR THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOW NOT ON ANYBODY EXCEPT FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US SITTING IN HERE.
WE'RE WATCHING IT HAPPEN ON THE NORTH END OF WAXAHATCHEE RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? HE DOES? I DO.
IS SHE GONNA SPEAK FIRST OR, YEAH, I, I HAVEN'T CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I GUESS I NEED TO, BUT I HAVEN'T.
UM, LEANNE KELLY, 2 0 9 KATY LAKE.
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I WANNA START WITH TALKING ABOUT NORTH GROVE AND THE DEVELOPMENT NORTH 77.WE, WE ARE ALL LIVING THE NIGHTMARE THAT THAT IS WITH THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROADS AND THINGS THAT WERE NOT PROACTIVELY DONE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS KIND OF PIECE HERE AND A PIECE THERE VERSUS AN ORGANIZED PROJECT LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW, MIDLOTHIAN DID THEIR PARKWAYS AND EVERYTHING AND THEN BUILT IT SOUNDS LIKE MINTO WANTS TO DO THE SAME.
UM, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE DEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT GO FORWARD.
I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN OVER 25 YEARS OF CONVERSATIONS LONG BEFORE THE OTHER ONE, UM, EMERY, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU MAY NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF.
IT'S BEEN A CONVERSATION FOR WELL OVER TWO DECADES.
AND WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S FINALLY COME TO THE TABLE THAT'S BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO ADDRESS EACH AND EVERY LITTLE TICK POINT.
LEANNE, I'M NOT GONNA BE UGLY HERE.
WELL, I'M TRYING NOT TO BE EITHER.
I'M NOT BEING UGLY WHEN I SAY THIS.
BUT AREN'T YOU GONNA STAND TO BENEFIT FINANCIALLY FROM THIS PROJECT? WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY, UH, I'M JUST ASKING.
HIT BELOW THE BELT, ISN'T IT? NO, IT'S NOT.
UM, AND MANY OF THE OTHER ONES ON HERE, AND I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO ANY OF YOU PERSONALLY ON THIS, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, I'M DISAPPOINTED.
I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOU AND I'M DISAPPOINTED.
I, I READ YOUR NAME HERE AND I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 400 PEOPLE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE YOUR POINT GO ACROSS TO PEOPLE.
LIKE YOU'RE JUST OFFER THE PEOPLE, OFFER THE PEOPLE.
WELL, ARE YOU, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO BE ON THIS AND BE AT THE HEAD OF THIS, AT THE DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GONNA GO IN SOME KIND OF POSITIVE WAY INSTEAD OF A KNEE-JERK REACTION.
THERE'S NO, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE ALL LIVING WITH, WITH SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
SO WHY NOT BE PROACTIVE AND NO, HE DOESN'T SPEAK FOR BROOK UD ROAD AND KATHY GRIPES ABOUT EVERYTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, SHE'S PROPO, SHE HAS OPPOSED EVERYTHING, ANY KIND OF THING ALONG THE WAY.
THE BRIDGE HOUSE AND THIS, YOU KNOW.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY WANNA SEE WAXAHATCHEE TURNED INTO A FRISCO EITHER.
BUT IF IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME OF THE MASSES OVER THERE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IT PLANNED OUT, IT'S FOOLISH NOT TO.
MS. KELLY, Y'ALL OWN PROPERTY IN THIS, CORRECT? MM-HMM
SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE A DECISION ON HOW YOU USE THAT PROPERTY OR IF YOU PROFIT FROM THAT PROPERTY? YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A FREE COUNTRY, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU SURE? BECAUSE YOU'RE THE PROPERTY OWNER, CORRECT? MM-HMM
AND FOR EVERYONE THAT KEEPS SAYING FRISCO, THAT'S THE WRONG F WORD TO BE USING.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS WILL NOT DEVELOP LIKE FRISCO.
AND WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WE ARE A COUNTY LARGER THAN TARRANT COUNTY.
AND THAT'S HOW WE WILL DEVELOP IF IT IS OUTSIDE OF CITY CONTROL BECAUSE OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS DONE.
THAT IS A VERY, VERY, VERY REAL THING.
AND TO NOT LOOK AT THAT IS EXTREMELY SHORTSIGHTED.
SO MS. KELLY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR Y'ALL'S 20 PLUS YEARS OF CONVERSATIONS ON THIS.
IT HAS BEEN OVER, IT'S BEEN CLOSE PROBABLY TO THREE DECADES, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT EITHER.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE MAKINGS THAT HAVE GONE INTO THIS, THE BLOOD, THE SWEAT, THE TIME.
AND JUST REALLY KINDA DISCIPLINE ME AND WHAT YOU SAID THERE TONIGHT.
I HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK ANY QUESTION.
WELL, YOU, WHY WOULD YOU ASK A QUESTION? YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER TO 'CAUSE YOUR, WELL, YOUR NAME'S ON HERE, SO I'M JUST WONDERING.
I, I THINK I WOULD SUPPORT IT TOO, IF I STOOD TO, TO, UH, GAIN FINANCIALLY FROM IT.
I, I BELIEVE I PROBABLY WOULD.
SO NEXT, TERRY, SEE, I THINK I STILL HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES.
NO, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIMER ON.
HE TALKED DURING MY, SOME OF MY TIME, SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE, I'M NOT ARGUE.
BE ASHAMED TO SIT DOWN RIGHT NOW.
YOU SIT DOWN, CALL YOU A FELLOW.
HATE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ESCORTED OUT HERE, BUT I WILL.
I'M, IF WE NEED A BREAK, I'M WILLING TO WAIT.
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OKAY.UH, INDULGE ME FOR A MOMENT IF YOU WILL.
I GOT SOME INFORMATION TO, UH, FOR EVERYBODY TO, TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER.
I THINK I GOT ENOUGH COPIES HERE.
IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE TWO PAGES? YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
UM, I'M HERE NOT ONLY REPRESENTING MYSELF, LET ME IDENTIFY MYSELF FIRST.
TERRY NAY SEVEN 11 BROOKSIDE ROAD, ALSO HERE REPRESENTING, UH, BROTHER AND SISTER-IN-LAW WHO ARE DOWN IN KATY TONIGHT AT SEVEN 11 BROOKSIDE ROAD.
THEY DON'T HAVE A 9 1 1 ADDRESS YET, SO THEY'RE USING MINE.
UM, ALSO HERE REPRESENTING MY FATHER, DARRELL NAY 1550 FM 1446.
MY BROTHER TROY NAY, I DON'T KNOW HIS ADDRESS, BUT HE CURRENTLY LIVES IN CARROLLTON.
UM, MY AUNT MAXINE SCHMIDT, 1550 FM 1446.
AND MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, DONNA SIRI, WHO ALSO LIVES AT 1550 FM 1446.
AND MY FIVE CHILDREN, ALL OF WHO ARE SCATTERED ALL ABOUT AND NOT HERE TONIGHT.
UH, THEY WERE GONNA BE HERE, SOME OF 'EM MONDAY, BUT NOT WEDNESDAY.
SO ANYWAY, UM, HERE, JUST TO, UH, JUST TO REITERATE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE SERIOUSLY AND HONESTLY, AND EVEN THESE GUYS, Y'ALL ALL HAVE PUT AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK INTO THIS PROJECT, NO DOUBT.
AND I THINK ONE THING WE CAN ALL AGREE ON IS WE ALL LOVE WAXAHATCHEE, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE TONIGHT.
ALL THESE PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE YOU'RE ON, AND I THINK WE ALL WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR WAXAHATCHEE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A 25, 25, 26 YEAR, UM, ELECTED OFFICIAL, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE FEELING AND WHERE YOU'RE SITTING, UH, FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN PUBLIC SERVICE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO SERVE A CONSTITUENCY AND, UH, AND TRY TO TAKE THEIR WISHES INTO YOUR, INTO YOUR DAILY CONCERNS AND HOW YOU CONDUCT YOUR BUSINESS.
AND PLANNING WHO'S NOT ELECTED, WHO'S PUT AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK INTO IT AS WELL.
SO, UH, THANK, THANK ALL YOU GUYS.
BUT, UM, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE NA COMPOUND, SO IT'S SHORTER.
UH, NA'S A GOOD SHORT LAST NAME AND COMPOUND.
WE'RE GONNA THROW ALL THAT TOGETHER.
SO, UM, WE ARE ALL UNANIMOUSLY IN OPPOSITION TO APPROVAL OF THE, UH, ZONING CHANGE.
WE WERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE LAST ZONING CHANGE OF EMORY LAKES.
AND I LITERALLY THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LYNCHING THAT NIGHT IN THE OLD CITY HALL, UH, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS UP IN ARMS ABOUT THAT AND IT STILL PASSED.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN IN OPPOSITION ALL ALONG AND THERE'S A VERY GOOD REASON FOR THAT.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE LIVE ON AND OWN AND OPERATE A 350 ACRE APPROXIMATE, UH, FAMILY FARM AND, UH, RANCH OPERATION.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE A PREVAILING SOUTH WIND HERE, CORRECT.
90% OF THE YEAR EXCEPT FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS, SWITCHED AROUND ON US.
BUT, UH, MOST OF THE TIME WE HAVE A PREVAILING SOUTH WIND.
IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT MAP, OUR LITTLE GRAY AREA RIGHT THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, WHAT'S CALLED CLUB LAKE.
IT'S ACTUALLY A FLOOD CONTROL LAKE OR A, UH, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE LIVE.
UM, AND OUR FARM COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 1446, THE LITTLE STRIP YOU SEE EXTENDED DOWN TO BUENA VISTA ROAD.
WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT, IN THAT AREA, BUT, UM, WE OPERATE A FARM AND RANCH IN THAT AREA AND HAVE FOR 50 SOME ODD YEARS NOW.
UH, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON GOING ANYWHERE.
WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON CHANGING ANYTHING, UH, IN TEXAS.
WE HAVE THIS, THIS LITTLE LAW THAT'S, THAT'S DONE AS THE TEXAS RIGHT TO FARM ACT.
AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON OPERATIONS LIKE WE DO.
WE BURN CROPS, STUBBLE, WE RUN LIVESTOCK, WHICH ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ADDING MORE DUE TO LIVESTOCK PRICES RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE, AGAIN, WE RAISE CROPS, WE SPRAY CHEMICALS ON THOSE CROPS WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE BURN CROPS WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE, STUBBLE AT THE CROPS WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UM, WE FEED THE CATTLE, WHICH GET A LITTLE SMELLY AND FLIES FROM TIME TO TIME.
UM, WE HUNT FARM, IT HUNT AT NIGHT FOR ANIMAL CONTROL.
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HOGS AS WELL.AND SO ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE DO IN OUR NORMAL, IN OUR NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS ARE GONNA BE EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE TO MOSTLY SENIOR SURROUNDING OUR AREA IS WHAT THE PLAN LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A SOURCE OF CONVENTION FOR SURE.
UM, AND, AND BASED ON THIS, BASED ON THIS CHAPTER, UM, WE'RE KIND OF REQUIRED TO NOTIFY THE CITY IN ADVANCE IF WE CAN, OF, OF THE CONFLICT OF LAND USE AND WHAT THAT MAY POSE IN THE FUTURE.
IT LIMITS OUR LIABILITY IF WE DO THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I SENT THE EMAIL THAT I SENT EARLIER A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UM, AS WELL AS GETTING THE HANDOUT TONIGHT.
UM, SO WE WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR INTEREST AND OUR LIFESTYLE, UH, FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS.
MR. NA, YOU'RE AWARE THAT THIS ALL DOES PROTECT YOU? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THERE, THERE'S THE SENIORS THAT BUY HOMES IN THAT AREA.
IT WELL, THEY CAN, BUT IT AFFORDS YOU QUITE A BIT OF PROTECTION IN THAT LAWSUIT.
THAT WON'T, THEY WON'T HAVE A CHANCE VERY AT.
IF I I I'M THE LAWYER IT'S GONNA CAUSE HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE.
MA'AM, MA'AM, IF YOU SAY ONE MORE WORD, YOU'RE GONNA BE ESCORTED OUT MR. NATE.
SO ON THE LEGAL FEES, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU WOULD BE REIMBURSED FOR THAT.
UM, IF IT'S FOUND TO BE FRIVOLOUS AND YOU'VE ALREADY, AND NOW IT'S ON PUBLIC RECORD, THAT, THAT IT'S BEEN SHARED, I, I'M GONNA CORRECT YOU ON THAT BECAUSE THE, IT'S NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A, A, A FINDING OF A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT THAT THEN STILL FALLS WITHIN YOUR ABILITY TO CAPTURE YOUR LEGAL FEES BACK.
UM, THAT'S JUST A FALSE STATEMENT THAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA GET IT BACK IF YOU WIN.
AND UNDERSTAND, YOU STILL HAVE TO DEFEND YOURSELF IN THE PROCESS.
AND THERE'S A COST INVOLVED WITH THAT UPFRONT.
I MAY RECOVER IT IN THE JUDGMENT, MAYBE, UH, THE STATUTE'S PRETTY CLEAR ON IT, BUT I STILL GOTTA PAY IT UP FRONT AND I STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE HASSLE AND I STILL HAVE TO GO TO COURT.
AND I STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT.
NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE BIGGER ISSUE IS LETTING ALL OF YOU KNOW, AND LETTING THESE FOLKS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH.
WHAT, WELL, YOU WHAT ON 10 ACRES OF LAND INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, YOU CAN HUNT ON THAT, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE 10 ACRES.
AND YOU CAN HUNT ON THAT AND POSSIBLY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S, UM, ALONG I 35 THAT WAS INTENDED FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL USE, UM, THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED YET.
WHAT'S THAT AT? UH, I 35 AND OH, THAT BRIDGE, THE TERRIBLE BRIDGE THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
LAUGHLIN, UH, THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE ACTUALLY, UM, DOING WEEKEND DOVE HUNTS OUT THERE RIGHT BEHIND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND WERE CHARGING FOR THAT.
SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF THE HOG POPULATION, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE YOU'RE ON MORE THAN 10, 10, 10 10 ACRES OF LAND AND YOU'RE IN THE COUNTY, I UNDERSTAND LEGALLY.
SO THEN YOU ARE, ARE THE NEIGHBORS GOING TO BE CALLING AND COMPLAINING TO YOU GUYS? ARE THEY GOING TO BE CALLING AND COMPLAINING TO THESE GUYS WHO ARE SELLING 'EM THE HOUSES? UH, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW AND PUTTING EVERYONE ON NOTICE, UH, TO COVER OUR BASIS.
UM, SO, WELL I THINK THEIR, THEIR SALES AGENTS WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THEM KNOWN THAT, HEY, THERE IS A FARM BEHIND YOU AND THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO THEM.
'CAUSE THEY AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO SELL THE HOMES IF THE FIRST THREE GETS SOLD.
AND THEN THOSE THREE NEIGHBORS, WHEN THEY GO TO TOUR THE NEXT HOME SITE, SAY, HEY, THAT SMELLS LIKE COW S**T OUTTA HERE AND IT EVERY DAY.
AND IT WOULD, WELL, I PROMISE THEY AREN'T GONNA, THEN THEY AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE.
WHAT ELSE, TERRY? THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS EVEN, I, I JUST, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ALL YOU GUYS AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
UM, PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
UH, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LOT, A LOT OF WORK AND UH, I JUST ASK THAT YOU VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE AND, AND PLEASE DON'T TURN WALKS OF HATCH YOU INTO WHAT EVERYONE'S MOVING HERE TO ESCAPE.
MY NAME IS TERRY SCHICK, 10 22 WEST MAIN STREET, 62 90 OLD WAYNE VISTA ROAD.
UM, I'M FOR THIS THING HERE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T STOP PROGRESSION AND STUFF.
ALL WE CAN DO IS MONITOR IT AND DO THE BEST WE CAN.
I THANK YOU GUYS ALL FOR DOING THE JOBS THAT YOU DO.
ALL OF US ARE THAT ARE IN BUSINESS HERE.
THAT'S, IF YOU TELL YOURSELF SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU'RE LYING TO YOURSELF.
SO THESE GUYS ARE GONNA MAKE MONEY.
YOU GUYS GOT OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK WITH THEM AND MAKE THE BEST SITUATIONS YOU CAN BECAUSE LIKE SITUATIONS LIKE 77, WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT.
NOW, WHOEVER MADE THAT MISTAKE, I DON'T CARE.
WE'VE BUILT BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN THAT NEVER MOVED INTO AND GOT TORE DOWN.
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WALKS A HAT MIDDLE IANS GOT, YOU GOTTA GET OFF OF 67 AND GO PAST LOVE'S TRUCK STOP TO GET BACK ON 2 87.SOMEBODY GET PAID OFF FOR THAT OR NOT.
USE THE RESOURCES WE HAVE, GET ALONG.
LIKE GOD SAYS, LOVE YOURSELF, LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR, LIKE YOU LOVE YOURSELF.
LET'S JUST GET ALONG AND MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS WE CAN BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE STUCK WITH THE PROBLEMS LIKE 77.
I DON'T WANT TO GO UP THAT ROAD.
MOST OF THE TIME IT'S NOT ENJOYABLE.
I LIVE AT 2 0 9 KATY LAKE DRIVE.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE AND ALSO I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. WRIGHT FOR YOUR TIME AND MONEY TO GO VISIT THE MENTO, UH, MARGARITAVILLE IN FLORIDA, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE IMMINENT WEATHER THAT WAS FORECAST.
UM, Y'ALL PROBABLY DON'T KNOW, BUT, UH, MR. VARS GRANDFATHER, UH, WIFE'S GRANDFATHER SOLD HIS FARM TO, UH, ORIENTALS.
THE ORIENTALS THAT WAS FROM HERE SOLD IT TO CARDINAL BACK IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS 19, UH, 1903.
FROM THAT POINT, CARDINAL WANTED TO BUY OUR PROPERTY AND THEN THEY JUST WANTED TO BUY A ROADWAY.
AND MY FATHER PUT ME IN CHARGE 'CAUSE HE WAS 90, ABOUT 90 YEARS OLD.
AND, UH, WE DIDN'T COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT AND IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR US TO COME UP WITH AGREEMENT WITH WALTONS.
HOWEVER, I DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME THAT WALTON'S, YEAH, THEY'RE OUTTA CANADA, BUT THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE FINANCED OUT OF CHINA.
AND THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES THAT HAD TO BE PRESENTED TO BACK TO WALTON JUST FOR ONE PARCEL, I BELIEVE IT WAS OVER 400.
I KNOW I DON'T WANT THE CHINESE BUILDING SOLAR PANELS OR WHAT OUT THERE.
I PREFER IT TO BE SOMEONE FROM THE UNITED STATES AND THAT HAS THEIR OFFICES IN FLORIDA.
AND THEN I GUESS Y'ALL HAVE SOME OFFICES IN CANADA, IS THAT CORRECT? ONE.
BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LAST ONE, JIM PHILLIPS, 6 0 6 WEST MARVIN AVENUE.
I KIND OF FEEL LIKE I'M THE GUILTY GUY HERE 'CAUSE I THINK I'M THE ONLY PERSON IN THE ROOM THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING PROCESS FOR THE KEMP RANCH, FOR EMORY LAKES, AND OUTTA HERE.
I WANT TO CORRECT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED TONIGHT.
WHEN WE FIRST PUT THE P AND Z PLAN TOGETHER FOR, UM, 2021, WE KNEW WALTON WAS GOING TO TAKE THAT PROJECT AND BASICALLY SPIN IT OFF TO MULTIPLE DIFFERENT BUILDERS.
MENTOS TONIGHT HAS SAID THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IT FROM GROUND UP.
EACH TIME WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE LEARN SOMETHING.
WHEN KEMP RANCH FIRST CAME ABOUT, ALL WE KNEW WAS THAT SOMEBODY HAD GONE OUT AND BOUGHT THE KEMP RANCH.
NOW WITH EMORY LAKES, THEY LITERALLY BOUGHT SEVEN NEW PARCELS OF LAND AND IT WENT TO 2,800 ACRES.
THESE FOLKS HAVE TAKEN IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, AND THEY'VE GONE OUT AND THEY'VE ACQUIRED, OR THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING, UM, THE OLD PRESBYTERIAN HOME.
AND THEY'RE GONNA ADD IN COMMERCIAL, THEY'RE GOING TO ADD IN ANOTHER LAYER TO THAT END.
I MEAN, NOBODY WANTS, UH, NOBODY WANTS TO PAY 72 CENTS MORE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, AS THE PEOPLE THAT DECIDE TO LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
THE THING I WILL ENCOURAGE US TO THINK ABOUT TONIGHT IS WITH THESE FOLKS, WE HAVE ONE POINT OF CONTACT WITH WALTON.
WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA HAVE 6, 7, 8, 10, 15 DIFFERENT BUILDERS.
THAT'S WHY WHEN WE WROTE INTO THE, THAT ORIGINAL PD BACK IN 2021, THE FACT THAT WE WANTED MULTIPLE DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS, ELEVATIONS, L-SHAPED ENTRYWAYS INTO THE PLACE WE HAD TO DEAL WITH POTENTIALLY, OR CITY COUNCIL WAS GONNA DEAL WITH MAYBE 10, 15, 20 DIFFERENT BUILDERS WHERE WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEY WERE GONNA BE.
TONIGHT, YOU GUYS HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF DEALING WITH ONE COMPANY THAT GOES A VERY LONG
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WAY.TERRY A AND I, THE NIGHT OF, UH, 2021 WENT ROUND AND ROUND.
NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE THIS LEVEL OF, OF GROWTH IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M THE GUY THAT GOT EVERYBODY IN TROUBLE.
I SAID, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO STOP A GANG.
SOMEBODY'S GOTTA HAVE A REALLY BIG CHECKBOOK AND THEY GOTTA BUY A BUNCH OF LAND.
AND THEY GOTTA GO UP TO THESE GUYS AND SAY, GUESS WHAT? I JUST PAID 60,000 AN ACRE.
AND YOU CAN'T GET IT FOR 35 AN ACRE.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WHOEVER WE GET IN BED WITH, WE GOTTA KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT 'EM.
I'LL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU, TRAVIS, WE DID NOT KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WALTON GROUP.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE WERE CHINESE INVESTORS AND ALL THE, EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL WE KNEW WAS WALTON WAS A CANADIAN COMPANY.
THERE WERE CONSOLIDATOR OF LAND, AND THEY HAD SHOWN AN INTEREST IN COMING TO WAXAHATCHEE.
WHAT WE'VE GOT TONIGHT IS THE OPPORTUNITY WITH FULL DISCLOSURE TO GO INTO BED WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT IN 35 TO 40 YEARS ARE GOING TO TRULY TRANSFORM WAXAHATCHEE.
THIS PROJECT'S NOT GONNA GET BUILT IN 10 YEARS.
IT'S NOT GONNA GET BUILT IN 20 YEARS.
I KNOW WHAT THEY DID IN NAPLES, FLORIDA, IN MY, UH, MY FATHER'S PROPERTY.
IT TOOK 'EM 25 TO 30 YEARS DOWN THERE.
I HOPE THEY BRING MARGARITAVILLE HERE BECAUSE I LOVE JIMMY BUFFET.
THAT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
THE REALITY IS THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO CONTROL THE PROJECT FROM GROUND A TO GROUND Z AND THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR THAT.
SO WITH THAT, GOOD LUCK AND I KNOW YOU GOT A TOUGH DECISION.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT IS, UH, THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE INPUT.
UM, DID YOU START SOMETHING ELSE? GO AHEAD.
ARE YOU READY? I DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DIDN'T, BUT I WAS GONNA LET HIM GO FIRST.
WELL, IT, IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG PROCESS, AS EVERYONE HAS SAID, AND THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE ATTENDED COUNCIL MEETINGS BEFORE OR WHATEVER, MR. SMITH AND I DON'T AGREE ON A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS, BUT UNBELIEVABLY ON THIS ONE, WE AGREE ON A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE THE FORWARD THINKING, AND IF YOU GO, AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY'S NOT FORWARD THINKING IF THEY DISAGREE WITH IT, WITH MY OPINION OR MR. SMITH'S OPINION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT ANYWHERE AROUND HERE IN WAXAHATCHEE.
WE'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA COME IN AND BUILD THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO BUILD.
THE REASON I WENT DOWN TO FLORIDA THAT LAST WEEK AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS I WANTED TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS.
NOW, THE ONE I WENT TO IS A 55 AND OLDER ONLY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS, BUT IT'S TWICE AS BIG IS WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE.
AND PEOPLE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND, AND HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IT'S GONNA COST AND, AND OR B AND THE DIFFERENT USES.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EVEN TALK TONIGHT ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND WEEKS AND WEEKS, BUT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
YOU KNOW, THEY BUILD AN AMENITY CENTER IN THEIR, IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
THEY BUILD ONE FOR THE OLDER PEOPLE AND A TOTALLY SEPARATE ONE FOR THE FAMILIES.
AND THEY'RE 20 ACRES EACH ON AT THIS ONE.
EVERY OTHER DEVELOPMENT WE'VE GOT HERE, EVEN MYRTLE CREEK, WHICH IS, WAS TOUTED AS BY THE HINES GROUP AS BEING, HEY, THE TOP OF THE LINE, YOU'RE GETTING IT, WE'RE BUILDING $750,000 HOUSES AND ALL THAT.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT SELLING A WHOLE LOT OF 50 $750,000 HOUSES OUT THERE.
BUT THE AMENITY CENTER IS A, A LAZY RIVER GOING AROUND A BUILDING THAT THEY BUILT.
AND YOU PUT A, UH, A, A TREADMILL IN THERE AND YOU PUT A FOUNTAIN IN THERE AND SAY, OKAY, Y'ALL CAN HAVE PARTIES IN HERE IF YOU WANT TO, AND THAT YOU CAN WORK OUT ON THAT.
THE AMENITY CENTER THAT THEY HAD HAD A FULL GYM IN THERE THAT WAS THE SIZE OF A GOLD'S GYM, AN INDOOR SWIMMING POOL WITH LAP POOL, AN OUTDOOR SWIMMING POOL, SIX OR 10 OR 12 PICKLEBALL COURTS THERE, THERE WAS AN AMPHITHEATER.
I MEAN, IT HAD SO MUCH STUFF IN THIS 20 ACRES THAT KEEPS PEOPLE FROM COMING INTO TOWN.
IT KEEPS 'EM OUT THERE, DOESN'T GET 'EM ONTO 77.
THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY DOWN THERE HAS JUST LIKE THIS ONE UP AT THE FRONT, A PLACE FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S 2,500 HOUSES THERE AND A GROCERY STORE IMMEDIATELY STARTED BUILDING AS SOON AS THEY GOT THEIR 2,500 HOUSES.
PUBLIX IS BUILDING A TOTALLY SEPARATE GROCERY STORE OUT THERE.
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WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER DEVELOPMENT AT THE MOMENT OUT IN THAT AREA.BUT WHEN I WENT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, IT WAS TOP OF THE LINE STUFF.
I MEAN, WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE HOUSES, YOU GET TO CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT IN THESE THINGS, BUT IT'S TOP OF THE LINE.
AND I GUESS WHERE I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID IS YES, IT'S EXPENSIVE.
THAT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
IT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO LIVE THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY THE MMD FEE.
GRANTED, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY THEIR HOA FEES, WHICH AREN'T CHEAP EITHER.
I MEAN THOSE TWO $5,300 A MONTH.
BUT THAT ALSO TAKES CARE OF YOU GOING TO THAT GYM AND YOU GOING AND USING THAT AMENITY CENTER AND THAT COM, EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON AND THERE'S COVERED IN THAT FEE THAT YOU'RE PAYING OR THEY'RE PAYING WHOEVER DOES IT.
BUT WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? AND I DON'T WANT TO EVEN GET INTO THE MUD.
WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WE GOT HERE.
LET'S LOOK AT CAMDEN PARK OVER THERE BY CLIFF.
THEY CAME IN AND TOLD US WE'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS.
AND THEY ADVERTISED IT TO EVERYBODY THEY WERE SELLING TO.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT.
AND WELL, YOU GOT A BUNCH OF HOUSES SIDE BY SIDE, NO AMENITY CENTER, NO SWIMMING POOL THAT THEY PROMISED.
NONE OF THE STUFF AT ALL LOWER END PRICING COMPARATIVELY TO THIS.
AND THAT DOESN'T HELP ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM THAT'S PAYING UP PROPERTY TAXES.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW, IF WE COME IN AND BUILD $150,000 HOUSES, WHICH YOU CAN'T BUILD, BUT IF YOU DO, THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP ANYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY TAX GO DOWN AT ALL.
THIS, IF IT'S BEING BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP, IS A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY THAT'S GONNA HAVE THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE IN, THERE'S NOT GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED FOR MAINTENANCE NEW ROADS OR ALL THAT FOR 20, 30 YEARS.
BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALL GONNA BE PAYING PROPERTY TAXES TO THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE, WHICH SHOULD, AND I WOULDN'T PROPOSE THIS UNTIL IT STARTED BUILDING AND THEY STARTED PUTTING UP HOUSES.
BUT THAT SHOULD ALLOW US TO LOWER YOUR PROPERTY TAX RATES, YOUR RATES WOULD GO DOWN BECAUSE THOSE GUYS ARE BRINGING IN A LOT MORE PROPERTY TAX THAN WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE LONG RUN.
IF YOU BRING IN LOW END PIECEMEAL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT BECAUSE THE VALUES AREN'T GONNA BE THERE.
I HEAR OLD TOWN WALKS AT YOU LIVED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE, BUT I I SAY THAT I'VE TRAVELED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND ALL OVER THE WORLD WITH KMART CORPORATION OPENING NEW STORES, DEVELOPING STORES WITH THOSE GUYS.
SO I'VE GOTTEN TO SEE A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF AROUND.
AND EVERYBODY GOES, OLD TOWN, W HATCHEE, OLD TOWN, W HATCHEE.
WELL, THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME REALLY WELL SAY I'LL, I'LL POINT IT OUT TO YOU WHERE EACH UNIVERSITY IS, WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING HTO RIGHT NOW, FROM THERE DOWN TO DOWNTOWN AND TO THE SOUTH SIDE ON THE HILL.
YOU GO PAST THAT WHERE HEB AND THE OLD HIGH SCHOOL AND ALL THAT, THAT'S THE NORTHERN PART.
EVEN THOUGH INDIAN HILL'S NOT BEEN HERE FOREVER, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING OLD TOWN WAXAHATCHEE, IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE TODAY, SOUTH OF HTO, IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IT'S BEEN FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC, BUT THAT PART OF WAXAHATCHEE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT.
AND YOU GET TO HEB AND GO THAT NORTHERN END, WHEN I CAMPAIGNED AND RAN FOR OFFICE AND I WENT OUT TO NORTH GROVE AND I WENT KNOCKING ON DOORS OUT THERE AND TALKING TO PEOPLE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD A LIBRARY OR A DOWNTOWN.
THEY'D NEVER COME ANY FARTHER THAN HEB.
THEY'D NEVER COME ANYWHERE ELSE THAN DOWN FROM HEBI HONESTLY FEEL, AND AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE WITH THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT ISN'T GONNA BE THAT BIG OF A DRAG INTO TOWN.
IT, IT OUGHT TO ACTUALLY PULL SOME AWAY.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT ISN'T, AND I COULD BE WRONG ON THIS, BUT I'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT WALMART'S BUILDING A NEW STORE OUT IN BETWEEN MIDLOTHIAN AND WAXAHATCHEE, WHICH THAT'S GONNA DRAW PEOPLE THE OTHER DIRECTION.
AND IF THEY BUILD A WALMART OUT THERE, VIEW CAN BE GUARANTEED.
THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER COMMERCIAL GU GOING RIGHT AROUND IT.
SO IT'S GONNA SPLIT THAT PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT ALL COMING INTO, INTO OLD WAXAHATCHEE.
NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, MR. NA, I I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING OUT THERE AND PEOPLE BUILDING ALL AROUND YOU.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE, WE'VE, EVERY ONE OF US SINCE WE'VE BEEN ON HERE, HAD TO GO TO THESE IMPACT FEE GUYS WHERE THEY COME AND THEY GIVE US THE PROJECTIONS AND THEY SAY, AND THEY'LL FLAT OUT TELL YOU, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT YOU GUYS DO, THIS IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BY THIS YEAR.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOT 33,000 PEOPLE IN IT.
OKAY? OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THESE OTHER FIVE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GONNA COME IN AND IT'S GONNA BRING 33,000 PEOPLE.
THERE'S GONNA BE 33,000 PEOPLE COMING NO MATTER WHERE THEY GO, THEY'RE COMING.
AND THE LEGISLATURES MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO SAY NO.
THE ONLY THINGS WE CAN SAY NO ON IS YOU CAN'T BUILD
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THAT HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO THAT HOUSE BECAUSE SOMEBODY DON'T THINK IT'S PRETTYTHAT'S THE ONLY THING WE CAN REALLY STOP EFFECTIVELY.
I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT CAN DO TO STOP IT.
SO THESE GUYS, I DON'T LOVE 'EM.
THERE'S THINGS AT THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT I DIDN'T, DIDN'T LIKE WHEN I WAS DOWN THERE, BUT WITH THESE GUYS THEY'VE BUILT IN NAPLES, FLORIDA, THEY'VE BUILT IN HILTON HEADS, SOUTH CAROLINA, THEY BUILT IN WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA.
THEY'VE BUILT IN, UM, THE ONE YOU LIVE IN PALM, UH, BEACH, FLORIDA, WHERE WE, I WENT THE OTHER DAY AND THEIR QUALITY COMMUNITY AND ONE PERSON RUNNING IT AND OWNING IT.
AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IN THE LONG RUN, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE OF 35.
YES, THEY'RE GONNA COME, BUT IT'S OVER THERE.
I I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, LIVE OVER THERE.
I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE AND, AND YOU LIVE IN ANOTHER WORLD.
IF YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE THINGS GETTING BUILT AROUND YOUR HOUSE, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT, HEY, STOP.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I UNDERSTAND THE REALITY OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND IT'S NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO TICK OFF HALF THE CONSTITUENCY OF WAXAHATCHEE BECAUSE I APPROVE OF SOMETHING THAT I THINK FINANCIALLY IN THE LONG RUN IS ACTUALLY GONNA HELP EVERYBODY IN WAXAHATCHEE WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR TAX RATE AND WHAT THEY'RE PAYING IN PROPERTY TAXES, AT LEAST UNTIL THE LEGISLATURE GETS RID OF 'EM, WHICH THEY KEEP PROMISING, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT IS A LOT OF SELF-SUSTAINED BECAUSE OF HOW THEY BUILD THE MASTER CLAN COMMUNITIES.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A SHORT RECESS.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AT 10 O'CLOCK.
I THINK WE HAVE, UH, SOME REMARKS BY, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM SUITER.
UM, FIRST OFF, BEFORE I SAY WHAT I SAY, UM, EARLY ON THE MENTO PEOPLE MET WITH ME, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.
I, I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF THE PROJECT, BUT I'M GONNA GET INTO SOMETHING KIND OF PROCEDURAL AND AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I ASKED TRENTON ABOUT EARLIER ON THE STAFF COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY ON THE TECHNICAL CONCERNS.
AND FORTUNATELY, OR UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE HAD DURING THE COUNCIL SESSION AND DURING THE BREAK IS MY CONCERN GOING BACK TO THESE TECHNICAL CONCERNS AS TO A FEW DOZEN ERRORS, INCONSISTENCIES, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN CAPTURED, OTHERS HAVEN'T.
UM, SO THIS ISN'T PER SE ON THE PROJECT ITSELF, IT'S ME CASTING A VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT THERE ARE STILL OUTSTANDING ISSUES ON.
AND FRANKLY, I THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THAT I HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CAMDEN PARK, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, MR. PHILLIPS MENTIONED THE, THE GOING THROUGH THIS WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY BEFORE, NOT KNOWING THINGS.
AND AS I SAID, WE HAD EIGHT PEOPLE UP HERE TALKING ABOUT ONE THING, ONE THING.
AND THAT CAUSES ME HEARTBURN, THAT WE'RE GOING INTO THIS WITH THINGS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING.
THIS ISN'T A COMMENT ON THE PROJECT ITSELF.
I RAISED MY VOICE SIX WEEKS AGO OR SO, AND PLANNING AND ZONING AND ALSO IN HERE WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONTINUANCES AND CONTINUANCES.
AND I SAID, EVERYBODY GET IN THERE AND GET THE DAMN THING DONE.
AND TO, TO CAPTURE THE SCOPE OF WHAT IS OUT THERE PERSONALLY, PAT SUITER'S TAKE ON IT, IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE WITHOUT THESE THINGS BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
SOME SORT OF AN AGREEMENT TO, TO VOTE FOR THIS.
AGAIN, THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE PROJECT, IT'S ABOUT THE UNCERTAINTY AS TO WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN ON THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SETTLED ON.
NOW, YOU MAY LOOK AT 'EM AND SAY, WELL, THEY'RE MINOR.
WELL, THEY MAY BE MINOR, THEY MAY BE MAJOR.
A MINOR THING CAN BLOW INTO A MAJOR THING.
I DON'T SEND OUT A CONTRACT IN MY LINE OF PROFESSION WITHOUT ADDRESSING MATERIAL FACTS.
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HERE IS THAT IF IT'S IN THE AGENDA, THAT THESE ARE MATERIAL ISSUES, MAYBE NOT TO THE SAME LEVEL ON ALL OF THEM, BUT AGAIN, I GIVE YOU WHAT WE JUST WITNESSED WITH EIGHT PEOPLE UP HERE TALKING ABOUT ONE THING.AND WITH THAT, THOSE LITTLE THINGS MAY HAVE IMPACT THE FOLKS ON BROOK'S SIDE OR ON ON SOME OF THESE OTHER FEEDER ROADS.
IT, IT, WHO KNOWS BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE WHAT THE NET EFFECT WILL BE ON THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SETTLED.
SO AGAIN, I WANNA TELL YOU THE PROJECTS THAT I'M, I AM SCARED OF THE ALTERNATIVE THAT MAY HAPPEN.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE, BUT IT'S THE REASON WHY I WAS SO PASSIONATE SIX WEEKS AGO WHEN I SAID, GET THIS DAMN THING DONE.
AND I'M LOOKING HERE AND AGAIN, THE METHOD TO MY MADNESS WAS TO GO THROUGH THOSE STAFF CONCERNS.
AND TRENTON, UNFORTUNATELY, I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE PUT YOU IN A BAD POSITION.
I TRIED TO QUALIFY IT, BUT Y'ALL ARE THE EXPERTS.
I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE EXPERTS.
SO WITH THAT, I'M SADDENED THAT WE HAVEN'T, SINCE ALL THE MONTHS THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, THAT WE COULDN'T HAMMER OUT THESE PARTICULAR THINGS.
AGAIN, IF THEY'RE MINOR, IF THEY'RE, IF THERE'S A DEAL KILLER IN THERE, THEN EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW IT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M, I'M SADDENED THAT THE T'S AREN'T CROSSED AND THE I'S AREN'T DOTTED.
I THINK THAT WE OWE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITIZENS OF WAXAHATCHEE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED, THAT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
ALRIGHT, MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE ONE, I HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, EIGHT MONTHS AGO WHEN WE FIRST WERE PRESENTED WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, I CUSSED THESE GUYS OUT OF THE ROOM AND THEY'LL BE THE FIRST ONES TO TELL YOU THAT TOLD 'EM THAT THEY WERE WASTING OUR TIME, THAT THEY WERE CROOKS, UM, A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THEY WERE PRESENTING WHAT THEY WERE TOLD THAT WOULD PRESENT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, AND THEY MOVED THAT FORWARD.
UM, AND THEY WERE BLINDSIDED TO THE POINT TO WHERE I CAN SAFELY AND CONFIDENTLY.
I'VE NOW, OF THE FIVE OF US UP HERE, I'VE SPENT THE MOST TIME ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A STRETCH BY ANY MEANS.
EVERY TIME THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR SOMETHING, EVERY TIME THAT WE'VE SAID, HOW CAN WE MAKE X WORK OR HOW CAN WE MAKE Y WORK, THEY FOUND A WAY.
UM, I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. PHILLIPS SAID IN THAT HE TOOK A LITTLE RESPONSIBILITY, BUT WE CAN'T PUT THAT ON THAT GROUP OF THE P AND Z AND THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME, UM, TO KNOW WHAT TO ASK FOR, TO KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR.
BUT BECAUSE THEY DID WHAT THEY DID, IT, IT LED US TO A, A PLACE WHERE WE KNOW TO ASK FOR MORE AND WE KNOW TO VALUE OUR RESIDENTS BOTH NOW AND IN THE FUTURE MORE.
UM, IT WAS JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AGO THAT WE APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS THAT SIMPLY DEDICATED LAND FOR A SCHOOL SITE.
WELL NOW WE'VE GOT A GROUP HERE THAT'S DEDICATING LAND FOR FOUR SCHOOL SITES.
THEY'RE GONNA BUILD OUT WITH FENCING AND LIGHTING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL UNDERSTAND HOW EXPENSIVE LIGHTING IS FOR PARKS, BUT IT IS EXPENSIVE.
WE'RE TALKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN LIGHTS THAT WILL BENEFIT THE CHILDREN AND THE FAMILIES OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND THEY'RE MAKING THE BUDGETS WORK AND THE EXPANSIONS TO BROOKSIDE, WHICH WILL MAKE THAT A, A PRIMARY ENTRANCE, NOT BROOKSIDE THAT YOU LIVE ON CURRENTLY.
BROOKSIDE FROM THE BRIDGE TO BUSINESS 2 87, THAT WILL MAKE THAT A PRIMARY ENTRANCE INTO WAXAHATCHEE.
THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HAPPEN AT BROOKSIDE AND BUSINESS 2 87, THE
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REDEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HAPPEN THERE.AND THEN YOU EVEN EXPAND BEYOND THAT ON WHAT THEY'VE AGREED TO GIVE UP.
NOT EVEN GIVE UP, BUT DEDICATE, PARTICIPATE IN WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT ON EIGHT SEVENTY FIVE.
TXDOT AT THIS POINT HAS BECOME PAY TO PLAY.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR THAT LAND THAT THEY NEED TO EXPAND 8 75 TX DOT'S NOT GONNA PAY FOR THOSE STOPLIGHTS IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
NONE OF THOSE PROJECTS ON 8 75 OR ON 1446 OR BROOKSIDE ROAD.
NONE OF THAT IS ON THEIR 20 YEAR PLAN.
IT'S NOT ON THEIR 30 YEAR PLAN TO FUND.
AND WE'VE GOT A DEVELOPER HERE THAT'S WILLING TO WORK IT INTO A BUDGET, ALBEIT THROUGH THE MMD TAX.
AND AT THIS POINT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN TO ACCEPT THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.
NOW, TEXAS IS LONG GONE FROM JUST HAVING DEVELOPERS COME IN WITH JUST THE CITY TAX RATE AND PAYING FOR ALL OF IT.
THAT'S HOW YOU GET HOMES THAT START AT SIX 50, THAT START AT SEVEN 50 IF YOU WANT AFFORDABLE BUY-IN FOR HOMES, IF YOU TRULY WANT AFFORDABLE BUY-IN, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE SMALLER LOTS AND YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A WAY TO BRING THOSE COSTS DOWN.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW, HOW DEEP MY FEAR IS FOR THE ALTERNATIVE HERE.
AND I'M A LITTLE SAD THAT THE BARNES IS LEFT.
BUT ONE THING THAT DOUG TOLD ME, UH, BEFORE I WAS EVEN ON THE COUNCILS WHEN I WAS STILL AT THE NEWSPAPER, UM, IS THAT WE HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A TEXAS ROADHOUSE IN FRONT OF THE TARGET.
I GUESS IT'D BE LIKE 26 YEARS AGO NOW.
UM, HE THOUGHT IT WASN'T THE BEST PLACE FOR IT.
THE CITY THOUGHT IT WASN'T THE BEST PLACE FOR IT.
THEY TRIED TO ENCOURAGE HIM TO BUILD THAT TEXAS ROADHOUSE SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE DANG, IT'S SOMETHING BETTER WILL COME ALONG.
AND WE'VE GOT A LONG JOHN SILVERS.
NOW I KNOW THAT MIGHT BE TRIVIAL, BUT THEY HEDGE THEIR BET ON SOMETHING BETTER COMING ALONG.
AND I LOVE THE CRISPIES, BUT THAT'S LONG JOHN SILVERS.
IF WE HEDGE OUR BET THAT SOMETHING BETTER WILL COME ALONG AND THERE'S SOMETHING ALREADY IN PLACE THAT IS
BUT AT SOME POINT, BEING ELECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SERVING THE, THE CITY AS A WHOLE, YOU'VE GOTTA PUT YOUR NECK OUT THERE AND YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE A DECISION THAT YOU KNOW IS BETTER FOR THE CITY MOVING FORWARD.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT, THAT THIS IS, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT, BUT SOLELY DEPENDING ON STAFF, THEY AREN'T THE ONES THAT HAVE TO GO TO THE BALLOT BOX AND PUT THEIR NAME ON THE SHEET.
YOU HAVE TO DO AND MAKE DECISIONS ON WHAT YOU TRULY BELIEVE IS OF THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR FAITH IN YOU.
SO I ENCOURAGE US ALL TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
SHOULD THIS MOVE TO A VOTE? I JUST WANNA SAY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, OUR FORMER MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER DOUG BARNES, WAS 110% AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
IF HE WERE STILL ALIVE TODAY, HE'D BE JUMPING UP AND DOWN PROTESTING AGAINST IT.
[6. Consider proposed Ordinance approving ZDC-232-2024]
US TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONSIDER PROPOSED ORDINANCE APPROVING ZDC 2 32 20 24.TERRY, IF THIS WERE TO GO TO A MOTION, UM, HOW WOULD WE INCLUDE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD TO CLEAR UP VERBIAGE? I, I HAVE A DRAFT MOTION THAT ADDRESSES THAT.
IT'D BE I MOVE TO APPROVE ZDC 2 32 DASH 2 20 24 PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING RE CHANGE REQUEST FOR APPROXIMATELY 3169.6 ACRES, UH, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION OF THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY WITH A FURTHER CONDITION THAT, UH, AS TO ANY PORTIONS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENTLY IN THE CITY'S EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
UH, THAT IS, THAT IT IS ANNEXED BY THE CITY BEFORE APRIL 6TH, 2026 AND THE ORDINANCE SHALL BECOME EFFECTIVE AS
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TO SUCH PORTIONS ON APRIL 6TH, 2026 WITH THE ADDITION TO, UH, TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CONTAINED IN THE ORDINANCE BY ADDING A NEW SUBPART C TO SECTION 5.7 0.3 TO READ.AND TRENTON HAS THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT WE AGREED ON OUT THERE.
MAD MAYOR I ACCEPT AND HE'LL, HE'LL READ THAT IF HE CAN READ THE LANGUAGE, GO TO, UH, SUBSECTION READS, A CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR ANY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE NMUR OVERLAY DISTRICT PURSUANT TO THE SAME PROCESS DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3.2 0.1.
MADAM MAYOR, I ACCEPT THAT MOTION AS READ.
OKAY, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[7. Consider Development Agreement for ZDC-232-2024]
NUMBER SEVEN, CONSIDER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR ZDC 2 32.COUNSEL TERRY, WE WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE ALL OF WHAT WAS SAID PREVIOUSLY IN THIS AS WELL.
I HAVE SOME REVISIONS OF THIS
UM, THIS MAY TAKE A LITTLE TIME.
THERE WAS A DRAFT THAT WAS, UH, PROVIDED OVER THE LATE, THE LATEST DRAFT IS ACTUALLY THE 14TH REVISION, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
AND IT WOULD BE, UH, MOVED TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONS.
AND EXCUSE ME, THIS GONNA TAKE A TAKE A WHILE, BUT WE WANT TO GET IT IN THE RECORD.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.
UM, THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENTS, THERE ARE REFERENCES TO, UH, INTEREST BEING PAID.
WE MAKE A SLIGHT AND, AND IT TALKS ABOUT A 30 DAY PERIOD.
THE 30 DAY PERIOD HAS CHANGED TO, EXCUSE ME, TALKS ABOUT A MONTHLY PERIOD WE'RE CHANGING TO A 30 DAY PERIOD.
SO THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY ABOUT, ABOUT A MONTHLY PAYMENT AND, AND IT SHOULD READ THEN THE INTEREST IS, IS AS FOLLOWS, INTEREST SHALL ACCRUE AT A RATE EQUAL TO THE APPLE TERM SECURED OVERNIGHT FINANCING RATE FOR, FOR A ONE MONTH TENOR AS PUBLISHED BY THE CME GROUP PLUS 300 BASIS POINTS PER ANNUM OR THE MAXIMUM RATE ALLOWED PERMITTED BY LAW PURSUANT TO, UH, CHAPTER 2251, THE TEXAS PROMPT PAYMENT ACT CONTAINED IN THE, IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE.
UM, THERE IS, UH, A FAIRLY LONG REVISION TO THE WAXAHACHIE CREEK BRI BRIDGE PROVISION.
I'M SO, EXCUSE ME, I APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING A WHILE TO READ THIS.
UM, AND THIS IS FOUND IN 4.6 A TWO OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT'S CALLED A W WAXAHATCHEE CREEK BRI BRIDGE.
UH, THE DEVELOPER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FOUR-LANE BRIDGE ON RIVERSIDE ROAD OVER WAXAHATCHEE CREEK.
THE BRIDGE AS REFLECTED IN EXHIBIT F SEVEN, NOT NO LATER THAN 120 DAYS AFTER THE 15TH HUNDREDTH BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE PROJECTS IS ISSUED BY THE CITY.
THE BRIDGE MAY INCLUDE THE INCORPORATION OF THE EXISTING BRIDGE OR FEATURES THEREOF INTO THE BRIDGE OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE OR MORE NEW BRIDGE STRUCTURES SUCH TO THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY ENGINEER.
PRIOR TO COMMENCING THE DESIGN OF THE EXISTING FOR THE EXISTING BRIDGE'S EXPANSION, THE DEVELOPER SHALL PREPARE AND SUBMIT TO THE CITY AND OPINION OF PROBABLE COST ESTIMATE OPC FOR ANY OF THE PROPOSED BRIDGE IMPROVEMENTS.
C AS OF THE DATE OF EXECUTION OF THIS AGREEMENT, THE PARTIES AGREE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS FOR THE BRIDGE INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO ONE.
IF THE DISTRICT OR DEVELOPERS ENGINEER AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ENGINEER DEEMS THE EXISTING BRIDGE MAY BE EXPANDED AND INCORPORATED INTO A FOUR LANE BRIDGE AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
UH, BUT THE CITY REQUIRES THE COMPLETE DEMO DEMOLITION OF THE CURRENT BRIDGE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REPLACEMENT BRIDGE.
THE CITY SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING BRIDGE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF SAID REPLACEMENT BRIDGE PROVIDED THAT THE DEVELOPER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO LANES OF THE BRIDGE.
TWO, IN THE EVENT THE EXISTING BRIDGE CANNOT BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BRIDGE AFTER AN ANALYSIS COMPLETED BY THE DISTRICT OR DEVELOPERS ENGINEER AND CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY.
BUT THE CITY REQUIRES AN ELEVATED BRIDGE BE CONSTRUCTED IN LIEU OF EXPANDING THE EXISTING BRIDGE AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
THE CITY SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THE DEVELOPER THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BETWEEN CONSTRUCTING THE BRIDGE AT GRADE AND ELEVATING THE BRIDGE AS DETERMINED BY AN OPC PREPARED BY THE DISTRICT OR DEVELOPER'S ENGINEER FOR EACH OPTION.
AND FURTHER, IN SUCH EVENT, THE CITY SHALL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DEMOLITION COST FOR THE EXISTING BRIDGE.
OR THREE IN THE EVENT THAT THE EXISTING BRIDGE CANNOT BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BRIDGE.
AND A REPLACEMENT BRIDGE OF THE CURRENT ELEVATION CANNOT BE DESIGNED AND OR PERMITTED.
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AFTER AN ANALYSIS IS COMPLETED BY THE DISTRICT OR OR DEVELOPER'S ENGINEER IN CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY, THEN THE DEVELOPER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL DEMOLITION DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR THE BRIDGE.AND THE CITY SHALL HAVE NO FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS OR RESPONSIBILITY RELATED THERETO.
SHOULD ANY OTHER OPTION BE PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPER OR THE CITY.
THE DEVELOPER IN THE CITY AGREED TO MUTUALLY COOPERATE TO DETERMINE THE FEASIBILITY COSTS AND FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS OF THE PARTIES.
D ANY OPC SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER SHALL BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY ENGINEER.
UM, SECTION 4.6, E ONE SHALL BE REVISED READ ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH OFF, EXCUSE ME, OFFSITE ROADWAY FACILITIES AS DEFINED IN CHAPTER 303 95 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, UH, SHALL BE ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FREE CREDITS OR REIMBURSEMENT THROUGH MMD BONDS.
UM, SECTION 4.7 A SHALL READ WATER, SEWER AND IMPACT ROADWAY, EXCUSE ME, WATER, SEWER AND ROADWAY IMPACT FEES FOR THE PROJECT SHALL BE ASSESSED.
WHERE'S MINE? OH SHALL BE ASSESSED, UH, AND PAID AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT.
SECTION 4.7 B SHALL READ, UH, DEVELOPERS SHALL BE ELIGIBLE FOR WATER, SEWER AND ROADWAY IMPACT FEE CREDITS FOR REIMBURSEMENT IMPACT FEES PAID FOR THE PROJECT SET FORTH IN EXHIBIT P.
THE CITY AGREES THAT ANY IMPACT FEE CREDITS GENERATED BY ANY OFFSITE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON EXHIBIT F SIX AND EXHIBIT F SEVEN AND EXHIBIT F SEVEN, EXCUSE ME, EXHIBIT F SIX, EXHIBIT F SEVEN A AND EXHIBIT F SEVEN B UH, SHALL BE USED TO OFFSET ANY ROADWAY IMPACT FEES DUE BY DEVELOPER PURSUANT TO SECTION 3 95 0.023 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH IMPACT FEES ARE GENERATED BY THE PROPERTY.
UM, SECTION SECTION 10.3, SUBPART F PURSUANT TO SECTION 3 95 0.00023 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE DEVELOPERS SHALL BE ENTITLED TO IMPACT B CREDITS AGAINST OFF ELIGIBLE OFFSITE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS INCURRED IN CONNECTION WITH MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, MINOR COLLECTOR, MAJOR COLLECTOR ARTERIAL ARTERIAL OR OFFSITE ROADWAYS IMPROVEMENTS AS AS DEFINED AGAIN IN CHAPTER 3, 9 5 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SHOWN ON THE CITY'S, UH, MASTER PLAN, MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR COMPARABLE PLANNING DOCUMENT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE PARTICULAR COLLECTOR OR INTERIOR ROADWAY IS DESIGNATED ON THE CITY'S ROADWAY.
CIPI BELIEVE THE LAST EXHIBIT P, THERE ARE FULL FOUR BULLET POINTS.
THE LAST BULLET POINT SHOULD BE AMENDED TO READ ANY CONTRIBUTION PAYMENTS TO FUTURE OFFSITE.
ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION PURSUANT TO THIS AGREEMENT SHALL BE ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS PURSUANT TO SECTION 3 95 0.023, THE TEXAS LAW GOVERNMENT CODE FOR USE AGAINST ROADWAY IMPACT FEES GENERATED ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT, THAT CONCLUDES THE REVISION.
MAD MAYOR, I ACCEPT THAT MOTION AS READ.
IS THAT IT THAT, IS THAT ALL OF IT? I THINK THAT'S IT.
ALL IN FAVOR? RE YOU CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS THERE.
YOU GUYS HAVE IT ON 19 PAGE 19 IMPACT FEE CREDITS 4.6 E ONE SIX E ONE.
CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT IT'S, YES.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU SWAPPED OUT THE WORD AND FOR OR YES.
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AND THEN ELIMINATED EVERYTHING HERE AND IT'S JUST LIMITED TO OFFSITE RIGHT.SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
'CAUSE YEAH, WE YES, WE, WE CANNOT AGREE TO THAT.
YOU TALKED ABOUT DEAL KILLERS.
YOU GUYS HAVE AN IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT'S USED TO GENERATE YOUR IMPACT FEES.
IF WE BUILD A ROADWAY, WE SHOULD NOT PAY THE CITY AN IMPACT FEE FOR IT.
CHANGING THAT AND OR MEANS THAT WE PAY AN IMPACT FEE AND WE BUILD THE ROADWAY.
IF YOU DON'T THEN THAT'S FINE.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT WE, BECAUSE THIS IS FOR THIS ONLY REFER AS AN IMPACT FEE CREDITS FOR OFFSITE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO UNDER, UNDER THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, CHAPTER 3 9 5 LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ELIGIBILITY FOR OTHER IMPACT FEES.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STILL ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS AND MMD REIMBURSEMENT FOR ONSITE ROADWAYS CONSTRUCTED.
I KNOW THIS IS OFFSITE, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE WAY THAT IT'S, UH, BEING LIKE THIS PROVISION IS WRITTEN COVERS ONSITE AND OFFSITE, THE WAY THAT IT WAS READ INTO THE RECORD MAKES IT ONLY OFFSITE.
AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT FOR THE ONSITE ROADWAYS THAT ARE ON THE CIP, WE ARE STILL ELIGIBLE FOR THAT IMPACT FEE CREDIT FOR ONSITE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE DESIGNATED IN OUR ORDINANCE, OUR IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE CORRECT.
THOSE ARE CERTAINLY ELIGIBLE FOR CREDITS OR REIMBURSEMENT.
FLIPSIDE ROAD IS AN OFFSITE ROADWAY.
IT'S ON THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE.
THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE PAY WERE, WERE, WERE GENERATED BASED UPON CAPITAL COST TO THE CITY FOR THAT ROADWAY.
SO THAT'S AN OFFSITE THAT WE SHOULD BE.
WE, WE, WE HAVE THAT IN A, FOR, IN AN ADDITIONAL PROVISION OF THE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE IN DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS AND WE HAVE A SPECIFIC RIGHT.
SPECIFIC PROVISION THAT YOU CAN USE THE, THE CREDIT BASE OF ONE SERVICE AREA, ANOTHER SERVICE AREA.
WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT BY, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS AGREEMENT ALREADY.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PRECLUDED FOR THE BROOKS SIDE OFFSITE BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON ONSITE ON THE CIP OFFSITE, NOT ON THE CIP OFFSITE.
SO FOR OFFSITE ON THE CIP FOR OFFSITE ROADWAY, OFFSITE ROADWAY, OFFITE ROADWAY ON THE CIP RIGHT.
WE WANT TO HAVE THAT SAME TREATMENT AS ONSITE.
I THINK YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE REFERENCES TO 3 95 0.023 MM-HMM.
WHICH REFERENCES THAT IN THE STATUTE AND INCLUDED HERE IN, IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR THAT PLUS THE MMD REIMBURSEMENT.
WELL, WE'RE NOT INVOLVED WITH YOUR MM D REIMBURSEMENT.
I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU NEED TO GET REIMBURSED THROUGH THE MMD, THAT'S THE PROCESS.
YOU GO THROUGH THE, YOU GO THROUGH THE MDA HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE.
EXCEPT IN THIS AGREEMENT, THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN OUT, IT SAYS YOU CAN GET THE IMPACT FEE CREDIT OR THE MMD REIMBURSEMENT, WHICH MEANS WE ARE AGREEING TO FOREGO THAT.
NO, I, I, I, I DON'T READ IT THAT WAY, BUT MM-HMM.
THIS IS MAKING MY POINT FOLKS.
MADAM MAYOR, PREVIOUS QUESTION.
THERE WAS A MOTION IN THE SECOND SHE CALLED FOR A VOTE.
ARE WE, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE? APPARENTLY THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH OUR LANGUAGE.
I THINK WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYONE IS ON BOARD WITH, ON HOW THE IMPACT B CREDIT CAN WORK BETWEEN TERRY AND US.
I BELIEVE THAT THE MOTION THAT TERRY READ OUT WAS, UM, FOR THE MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THIS SUBJECT TO WHAT WAS READ INTO THE RECORD AND FINAL APPROVAL BY THE CITY MANAGER.
AND SO TERRY AND I CAN, CAN FINALIZE THAT LANGUAGE BASED CORRECT.
PREVIOUS QUESTION, RIGHT? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
ARE YOU GOOD, JUDGE? I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
ARE YOU GOOD? IF THERE'S A, IF THERE, IF THERE'S AN, AN AGREEMENT WE CAN'T COME TO, WE'LL BRING THAT PROVISION BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR, FOR DETERMINATION.
I'M, I, I JUST, JUST OUT, OUT OF ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, WE HAVE A MECHANISM FOR DOING THAT.
SO WE HAD A MOTION AND WE HAD A SECOND FOR NUMBER SEVEN.
UM, THE, UH, CONSIDER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR ZDC 2 32 20 24.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
AND THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
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NUMBER EIGHT,[8. Consider a request by Presbyterian Children’s Homes and Services & Walton Texas LP for an annexation agreement for approximately 206.72+/- acres situated off of Brookside Road in the Elijah Bellow Survey, Abstract Number 10, Ellis County, Texas (ANX-DNX164-2025)]
CONSIDER A REQUEST BY PRESBYTERIAN CHILDREN'S HOME AND SERVICES IN WALTON, TEXAS, LP FOR AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT FOR APPROXIMATELY 2 0 6 0.72 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE SITUATED OFF OF BROOKSIDE ROAD IN THE ELIJAH BELLOW SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 10 OF ELLIS COUNTY.TERRY, THIS SHOULD BE AMENDED TO READ APRIL 6TH.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, ON OR BEFORE? NO, I MEAN, WE'RE ENTERING INTO THE AGREEMENT TONIGHT.
THE ANNEXATION WILL OCCUR PRIOR TO APRIL 6TH.
SO I THINK WE JUST, WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
TO APPROVE THIS MADAM MAYOR, MOVE TO APPROVE ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS WITH PRESBYTERIAN CHILDREN'S HOMES AND SERVICES IN WALTON, TEXAS.
LP FOR THE ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 206.72 ACRES.
WHY NOT BE BECAUSE WE'VE MOVED PAST IT.
WELL, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THAT PART YET.
THERES A MOTION ON THE TABLE DISCUSSION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND OBJECTION? ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
WE WILL NOT BE, UH, CONVENING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
APPROVE EVERYTHING WE'RE GOING, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S HUNDREDS OF US AGAINST, 'CAUSE WE PUT THE BEST INTEREST OF 40,000 RESIDENTS.
[11. Comments by Mayor, City Council, City Attorney and City Management]
COMMENTS BY MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY ATTORNEY, AND CITY MANAGEMENT.I'LL START TO MY LEFT DOWN THERE.
Y'ALL HAVE ANY COMMENTS? ALBERT? THE ONLY THING I HAVE AND, AND IT'S BEEN SAID MANY, MANY TIMES, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT STAFF PUTS IN THIS.
I KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PUTS A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, STAFF WORKS ON THESE PROJECTS FOR WELL OVER A YEAR TO TRY TO GET 'EM PUT TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING.
AND SO, UM, I JUST APPRECIATE ALL THEIR WORK AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE.
COUNCILMAN SMITH? YEAH, IT'S, UH, I MEAN, TO ECHO ALBERT STAFF HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE, UM, THROUGH THE GOOD AND THE BAD AND THE TIMES I'VE YELLED, WE'VE ALL YELLED.
UM, THIS HAS NOT BEEN A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN TAKEN LIGHTLY BY ANY MEANS.
UM, MY FIANCE WILL TELL YOU I SPEND TOO MUCH TIME UP AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING READING THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF.
UM, SO I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT Y'ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERY DAY.
AND THIS IS ON TOP OF ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR GROWING COMMUNITY.
IT DOES NOT GO UNNOTICED, AT LEAST FOR THOSE ABOVE US UP HERE.
AND THEN, UH, FOR ALL OF THOSE CRITICAL STAFF, UM, WHO LITERALLY PLOWED THROUGH THE PAST FEW DAYS, UM, TO CLEAR ROADS, TO REPAIR WATER MAINS, JUST, JUST TO KEEP US, KEEP US MOVING AND SAFE.
I'D JUST LIKE TO REITERATE, UH, COUNCILMAN SMITH'S WORDS.
UM, I WAS OUT, UH, LOOKING AROUND, UH, I GUESS IT WAS WHATEVER DAY THE WATER MAIN BROKE ON MAIN STREET AND, UH, IT'S EARLY MORNING AND, UH, THOSE GUYS WERE OUT THERE BUNDLED UP, STANDING IN WATER AND FREEZING TEMPERATURE JUST PLUGGING AWAY AT THAT THING.
AND I, I JUST, I, YOU CAN'T BUY THAT.
IT'S, IT'S EITHER YOU HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T.
AND, UH, I JUST APPRECIATE OUR, OUR STAFF.
THEY'VE, THEY, THEY MOVE MOUNTAINS FOR US.
I DON'T HAVE ANY REALLY ANYTHING NEW TO ADD.
UM, I DO AGREE WITH WHAT PATRICK OR COUNCILMAN SER SAID.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED ON THIS A LONG TIME AND WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS WITH THESE ISSUES, AND NOW WE'VE GOT THIS ONE LAST ISSUE.
THERE'S A FRAMEWORK AND, YOU KNOW, IT STILL NEEDS TO GO BACK AND FORTH.
GUYS, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU ENOUGH.
THE, THE PATIENCE OF STAFF AND SO FORTH IS OVER.
IF, IF YOU GOT A FRAMEWORK FOR, FOR LANGUAGE, YOU NEED TO GET THAT ACROSS THE TABLE AND OVER THE GOAL LINE.
SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
I'D LIKE TO THANK MS. MA, COME AND TALK ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, WHICH THEY COME EVERY MEETING AND REMIND US, WHICH WE'VE ASKED THEM TO, MR. BARNES, MR. ROWE, MS. WAGNER, AND MR. TOVAR,
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YOU JUST SPOKE AT THE BEGINNING ABOUT THE OVERALL GENERAL THINGS OF IT AND BRINGING YOUR CHILDREN LOVE TO SEE YOU BROUGHT THEM TO EVERY ONE OF THESE MEETINGS.I, I KNOW THAT'S GOTTA BE HARD FOR Y'ALL TO SIT OUT THERE.
THIS IS, HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY LONG, LONG PROCESS AND THEY THANK, WE THANK STAFF ALL THE TIME AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT I ALSO JUST FROM THE NUMBER OF EMAILS THAT I SEE COMING BACK AND FORTH, WANNA THANK OUR LAWYER FOR THAT NUMBER OF HOURS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PROBABLY COST US A FORTUNE
AND THE TWO, THE GROUPS GOING BACK AND FORTH THROUGH EMAIL AND SENDING THINGS BACK AND FORTH AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I HONESTLY, I WASN'T SURPRISED THAT THINGS ENDED UP THE WAY THEY DID.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, IF WE HAD AN UNLIMITED NUM AMOUNT OF TIME GOING FORWARD WHERE THEY COULD SIT THERE AND GO BACK, I GUARANTEE YOU GET THESE LAWYERS, THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO ON FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS ABOUT IT AT $500 OR 700, 500 OR $700 AN HOUR OR WHATEVER THEY'RE CHARGING.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, THERE WAS A DEADLINE AND, AND SOMEHOW IT GOT EXTENDED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT EXTENDED AGAIN, BUT, BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY ELSE'S OPINIONS UP HERE AND WHAT THEY'VE HAD TO SAY ABOUT WHAT THEIR PERSONAL THOUGHTS WERE, WHETHER IT WAS A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING.
WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE ON EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S WHY THE CITIZENS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE FOR US OR VOTE US OUT AND PUT SOMEBODY ELSE IN THERE.
BUT I WILL SAY, EVERYBODY HERE PUT THEIR HEARTS INTO IT.
AND WE HAD MANY, MANY, MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS AND HOURS OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS IN OTHER ROOMS WITH THE GROUPS AND, AND WORKSHOPS.
SO I'M GLAD IT'S OVER WITH, HONESTLY.
MAYOR PRO, PRO TIMM SUITER, UM, EXCUSE ME AGAIN, UM, STAFF, YOU DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE WHEN YOU GO INTO THE OFFICE EVERY MORNING YOU SEE A STACK OF REVISED DOCUMENTS ON YOUR DESK AND YOU PROBABLY JUST WANNA THROW 'EM OUT THE WINDOW.
BUT THANK Y'ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU DID.
UM, ALSO FOR CITY STAFF, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR CREWS THAT WERE OUT THERE, TRACE AND I WERE ON THE SAME WATER MAIN BREAK, AND I DROVE DOWN AND THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN STANDING IN A HOLE UP OF WATER UP OVER HIS WAIST MM-HMM
ON SATURDAY AT NOON OR SOMETHING.
AND IT WAS COLD, AND I FELT FOR HIM, BUT HE WAS OUT THERE DOING HIS JOB.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THOSE FOLKS THAT DID THAT.
UM, WANNA THANK EVERYBODY WHO, WHO NOT CAME NOT ONLY THIS TIME, BUT OTHER, OTHER TIMES TO DISCUSS THIS AND PROVIDED THEIR COMMENTS.
UM, AGAIN, MY CONCERN WAS NOT WITH THE PROJECT, BUT WITH HAVING EVERYTHING SETTLED.
UM, HONESTLY THOUGHT IN THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER THAT IT WAS NOT AN UNFAIR ASK THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE SETTLED ON RATHER THAN US TRYING TO COME UP WITH VERBIAGE ON THE FLY UP HERE.
UM, I THINK THAT IS TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE TO DO THIS AGAIN, NOTHING ON THE PROJECT, AND Y'ALL HAVE BEEN GREAT AND Y'ALL HAVE MADE YOURSELVES AVAILABLE, AND IT'S JUST THAT I, I JUST HAVE I HEARTBURN APPROVING THINGS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING.
AND, AND THERE WERE SOME THINGS UP HERE THAT WERE VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT THAT I JUST DON'T LIKE DOING ON THE FLY.
UM, GOD HELP US THAT THESE THINGS DON'T COME BACK TO HAUNT US.
BUT I THINK THAT, AND I JUST, AND I MENTIONED DURING THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER INSTANCE OF WHAT MY CONCERN WAS.
SO, UM, WELCOME TO WAXAHATCHEE.
DON'T, I THINK AS CHIEF BOYD SAID, STAFF IS, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA BE, UH, ON YOU AND YOU BETTER WORK WITH THEM.
OKAY? UM, BUT I HAVE CONCERNS WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE WITHOUT ALL EVERYTHING BEING SETTLED ON.
I JUST WANT TO, UH, THANK, UH, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WENT INTO THE INCLEMENT WEATHER AND TAKING CARE OF OUR CITY, UH, TAKING CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE, UH, ICE STORM, I KNOW, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH,
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MAN HOURS AND WOMEN HOURS, UH, PUT INTO THAT.UM, EVEN THE PEOPLE, A LOT OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT, THAT WERE HOME BECAUSE THE CITY WAS SHUT DOWN, WERE ALL STILL WORKING.
AND THEN EVERY PROBLEM THAT AROSE OUT THERE, UH, WITH WATER AND SEWER, UH, THEY, THEY WERE OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT THEY, UM, UH, REPAIRED, UH, ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD HAVE WATER AND SEWER AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO I JUST APPRECIATE THAT FROM COMMUNICATIONS CITY SECRETARY, JUST THE EMAILS JUST SO MUCH GOES INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY HATS OFF TO YOU GUYS FOR, FOR TAKING CARE OF ALL OF US AND, UM, I'M GLAD THIS PROJECT HERE, UH, IS DONE.
AND, UM, WHILE WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE UP HERE THAT'S HEALTHY, THAT WE DON'T AGREE, IF WE AGREE EVERY TIME ON EVERY PROJECT, Y'ALL SHOULD BE CONCERNED.
AND I WANT TO THANK EVERY ONE OF YOU THAT CAME TONIGHT, THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING ONLINE, UH, WHETHER YOU WERE FOR OR AGAINST IT, NO HARD FEELINGS.
AND WITH THAT, UM, YES SIR, YOU REALLY CAN'T.
SO WITH THAT, AT 10 40, UH, OUR MEETING IS OVER.