Nov 10, 2025 Planning &amp; Zoning

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY BRIAN BURKES FOR A REPL OF LOTS, FIVE AND SIX OF THE LEO HIGHTOWER LOTS EDITION TO CREATE LOTS FIVE A AND SIX A OF THE LEO HIGHTOWER LOTS EDITION TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS BEING 1.194 ACRES LOCATED AT 1 39 LAKESHORE DRIVE.

[5. Public Hearing on a request by Brian Burks, for a Replat of Lots 5 & 6 of the Leo Hightower Lots addition to create Lots 5A & 6A of the Leo Hightower Lots addition, 2 residential lots, being 1.194 acres, located at 139 Lakeshore Drive, (Property ID 174097) – Owner: William Larry Burks and John Brian Burks (SUB-155-2025)]

IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? YES.

VICE CHAIR.

AGENDA FIVE FOR SUV 1 55 DASH 2025, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS GONNA BE A REPL REQUEST FOR TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

I'LL PREFACE BEFORE GETTING INTO THIS, THE COMMISSION USUALLY DOESN'T SEE, UH, REPL ITEMS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AGENDA.

UH, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY ON CONSENT.

THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE IT HAS AN ASSOCIATED PETITION FOR RELIEF WAIVER.

SO THAT IS A WAIVER THAT REQUIRES IT TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS GONNA ACT AS A RECOMMENDING BODY TONIGHT.

THE PETITION FOR RELIEF WAIVER HAS TO DO WITH THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PROPOSED PLAT.

SO CURRENTLY THERE'S TWO LOTS THAT ARE EXISTING RIGHT HERE ON LAKE SHORE DRIVE.

THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINE, HOWEVER, IS LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO AN EXISTING HOME ON LOT SIX A.

SO THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO SHIFT THE PROPERTY LINE EVER SO SLIGHTLY WEST TO OPEN UP A LITTLE MORE SPACE BETWEEN THAT LOT LINE AND THE EXISTING HOME ON LOT SIX A.

SO THE REPL WILL NOT RESULT IN A SETBACK.

A LOT LINE SETBACK FROM THAT EXISTING HOME THAT MEETS THE ZONING REQUIREMENT FOR THE SITE.

THE ZONING REQUIREMENT CALLS FOR A SIDE SETBACK OF APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET.

UH, THEY'RE GETTING TO ABOUT 10 FEET WITH THIS REQUEST, BUT AGAIN, IT IS BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.

THAT PROPERTY LINE IS MORE OR LESS RIGHT ON THE HOME.

SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPL, IS TO TRY AND CLEAN UP THE LOT LINE TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF A LARGER SETBACK THAT'S CLOSER TO OUR TYPICAL REQUIREMENT.

UH, BECAUSE IT STILL DOESN'T MEET THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THIS PETITION FOR RELIEF WAIVER.

THE SECOND PETITION FOR RELIEF AS PART OF THIS REPL REQUEST HAS TO DO WITH RIDE OF WAY DEDICATION FOR LAKE SHORE DRIVE.

UH, TYPICALLY RIDE OF WAY DEDICATION WOULD BE REQUIRED 'CAUSE LAKE SHORE DRIVE IS SHOWN AS AN 80 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ON THE CITY'S 2024 THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

UH, HOWEVER, RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED AS PART OF THE HIGHTOWER SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH OF THIS SITE.

AND BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE REPL, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ADDING ANY LOTS.

WE'RE JUST ADDRESSING A LOT LINE ISSUE.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING NOT TO DEDICATE ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY HERE.

STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF BOTH OF THOSE REQUESTS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE PROPOSAL HERE.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE'RE GONNA BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON THIS TONIGHT.

THANK YOU, ZACH.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH?

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YOU'LL COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

UH, I'M BRIAN MARKS, UH, MY BROTHERS MARKS AND WE ARE THE CO-OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY.

AND WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? I'M SORRY? WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? 1 43 LAKE SHORE DRIVE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, SORRY, I MADE YOU GET UP FOR NOTHING.

I, UH, I MOVED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UH, SUB DASH 1 55 DASH 2025, A REPL OF LOTS FIVE AND SIX OF THE LEO HIGHTOWER ADDITION TO CREATE LOTS FIVE A AND SIX A OF THE HIGHTOWER EDITION.

ALRIGHT.

UM, IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

UM, BEAR WITH ME JUST ONE SECOND.

I'M SORRY I WASN'T PREPARED.

YEAH,

[6. Consider recommendation of SUB-155-2025]

SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OR INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

ALRIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE, UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY DAVID WILLIAMS FOR AN AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE NUMBER 3 5 8 3 TO ALLOW FOR REDUCED FIRE LANE PAVING, SCREENING, LANDSCAPING, AND SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS WITHIN AN APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR BATCH PLANT AND OUTSIDE STORAGE USES LOCATED AT 1 2 2 0 SOLAN ROAD.

[7. Public Hearing on a request by David Williams, for an Amendment to Ordinance No. 3583, to allow for reduced fire lane, paving, screening, landscaping, and sidewalk requirements within an approved Specific Use Permit (SUP) for Batch Plant and Outside Storage uses (Rinker Materials), located at 1220 Solon Road (Property ID 140094) - Owner: J & G Concrete Operations LLC (ZDC-154-2025)]

THANK VICE CHAIR.

AGENDA SEVEN, ITEM SEVEN FOR ZDC 1 54 20 25 AS YOU MENTIONED, IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AMENDMENT REQUEST FOR BATCH PLANT AND OUTSIDE STORAGE USE AT 1220 SOLAND ROAD.

THIS IS THE RINER MATERIAL SITE.

UH, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THAT, THAT THIS PROPERTY HAD A SUP APPROVED LAST DECEMBER, UH, FOR AN EXPANSION TO THE EXISTING BATCH PLANT THAT WAS THERE.

UH, THAT SUP ALSO ACCOUNTED FOR THE OUTSIDE STORAGE USES THAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN HERE.

THE SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR THE 20 ACRE SITE, AS I SCROLL DOWN TO THE SITE PLAN HERE, UH, ORIGINALLY WAS TO FACILITATE THE ADDITION OF THIS EXTRA BUILDING.

IT'S A LITTLE OVER 11,000 SQUARE FEET, JUST NORTHEAST OF THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE SITE.

AS PART OF THAT SUP EX EXPANSION PROPOSAL, THERE WERE SOME SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE REQUIRED FOR THE PROPERTY.

AMONG THOSE, UH, THAT YOU CAN SEE ON SCREEN HERE ARE THE 26 FOOT CONCRETE FIRE LANE, A FIRE LANE DRIVE AISLE ALONG THE SOUTHERN AND WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WRAP AROUND THE EXISTING BUILDING AS WELL.

SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WERE THE CONCRETE PARKING THAT WAS PROPOSED AROUND THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING ALONG MARSHALL ROAD AND SOLAND ROAD.

THERE WAS SITE IMPROVEMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR SIDEWALKS TO BE ADDED.

SIDEWALKS ARE TYPICALLY REQUIRED WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

I'LL MOVE IN BRIEFLY HERE TO THE APPROVED LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH THAT ORDINANCE HERE.

UH, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAKE OUT ON THE SCREEN DUE TO THE SCALE, BUT THERE WAS AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL REQUIRED AS WELL THAT FLANKS THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINES ALONG MARSHALL ROAD TO SCREEN THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE USE.

THERE WAS ALSO LANDSCAPING REQUIRED PRIMARILY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO SOME LANDSCAPING ON THE INTERIOR THAT YOU CAN SEE AS WELL.

WHEN THE APPLICANT WENT THROUGH THE SUP APPROVAL PROCESS, THEY HAD NOT FINALIZED THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

AS THEY GOT A LITTLE FARTHER ALONG, UM, THEY, THESE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD PUT THEM OVER BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT AND THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COME THROUGH WITH IT.

SO DUE TO THAT, THEY'RE COMING THROUGH WITH THIS AMENDMENT REQUEST TO TRY AND REDUCE THE SCOPE OF SOME OF THOSE SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, TO FACILITATE THAT EXPANSION.

UH, YOUR PACKET HERE IS GONNA REFERENCE THE REDUCTION FROM CONCRETE FIRE LANE TO AN ASPHALT FIRE LANE.

UH, THE APPLICANT DID REACH OUT TO STAFF AFTER PUBLISHING THIS REPORT TO STATE THAT THE FIRE LANE ON THE NORTH AND EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN STILL SEE HERE, THEY WOULD CONTINUE WITH CONCRETE AS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.

UH, THEY WOULD ALSO AGREE TO CONCRETE THE PARKING SPACES, UH, THAT WERE REQUIRED BY THAT ONE STORY OFFICE BUILDING.

UH, HOWEVER, THEY STILL WANTED TO DEVIATE FROM THE DRIVE AISLE AND FIRE LANE THAT WENT AROUND THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN SIDE OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING.

SOME OTHER DEVIATIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED IS ELIMINATING THE SIDEWALK ON SOLAND AND MARSHALL ROAD, AS WELL AS TAKING THAT MASONRY SCREENING WALL AND NOT GETTING RID OF IT, BUT USING AN ALTERNATIVE, UH, MANUFACTURER FOR THAT.

GETTING INTO THE WALL.

THIS IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, THE CONCEPT WAS FOR THAT WALL.

SO THEIR ALTERNATIVE IS, IS SIMILAR.

IT'S GOT A STACKED STONE PROPOSAL HERE, BUT AGAIN, JUST USING A DIFFERENT MANUFACTURER.

AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING GOES, THEY WERE LOOKING TO KEEP

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THE LANDSCAPING THAT WAS REQUIRED ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, BUT ELIMINATE THE LANDSCAPING ON THE INTERIOR.

UH, AGAIN, MOST OF THE LANDSCAPING WAS REQUIRED ON THE EXTERIOR TO BEGIN WITH.

STAFF DID ISSUE PUBLIC NOTICES FOR THIS REQUEST.

WE GOT ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTHWEST.

UH, BUT NO LETTERS OF SUPPORT DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST HERE.

STAFF DOES FEEL THAT THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS ORIGINALLY APPROVED AS PART OF THE SUP LAST DECEMBER ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE EXPANSION.

UM, THE, THE CONCRETE DRIVE AISLES ARE TYPICAL FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.

SO, UH, THAT'S A BIG ITEM, UH, FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ACCESS NOT JUST TO THE NEW BUILDING, BUT TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AS WELL.

UH, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A LIST, UH, IN YOUR PACKET TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE, UH, DEVIATION REQUEST FROM THAT ORIGINALLY APPROVED SUP.

UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THEY ARE, UH, IF THE P AND Z IS NOT AMENABLE TO ALL OF THOSE REDUCTIONS, LOOKING TO GET RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THOSE REDUCTIONS INDIVIDUALLY, UH, IF THAT WOULD BETTER SUIT UH, THE PROPOSAL.

SO THE APPLICANT'S HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THAT.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL.

ALRIGHT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YOU CAN, YES.

GREAT.

YOU CAN COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

INTERESTS OF BOTH PARTIES.

UH, DAVID WILLIAMS. I'M PROJECT MANAGER WITH RINER MATERIALS AND, UH, REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OF 1220, UH, SOLON ROAD.

UM, DENNIS MOORE, UH, VP OF OPERATIONS FOR TEXAS REGION AND I'M ALSO REPRESENTING THE 1220 SOLEMN ROAD WAXAHATCHEE.

AND I JUST WANNA GO BACK A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT THE, THE, OUR FOCUS ON THE, THE PURPOSE OF OUR PROJECT.

UM, THIS IS TO BRING A, UH, MICRO TUNNEL, UH, PRODUCTION FACILITY TO OUR EXISTING FACILITY OPERATION HERE IN WAXAHATCHEE, UM, MICRO TUNNEL.

IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY PRODUCE, A CONCRETE REINFORCED PIPE USED FOR DRAINAGE.

UH, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE ON MICRO TUNNEL PIPE IS DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO BE INSTALLED UNDER ROADWAYS WITHOUT DISTURBING TRAFFIC ON THE SURFACE.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION OF THAT, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN OUR, OUR CONSTRUCTION AREAS HERE IN TEXAS IS, UH, PRETTY APPARENT.

IT, IT ALLOWS YOU TO REALLY REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THAT, THAT DISRUPTION TO TRAFFIC.

SO WHAT THIS, UH, PROJECT WOULD DO WOULD ADD A DEDICATED MICRO TUNNEL PRODUCTION FACILITY, UH, IN WALKS HATCH YOU DEDICATED TO THE PROJECT.

UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS, UH, JUST OVERVIEW OF OUR EXISTING FACILITY.

UM, THE, THE MAIN ROADWAYS YOU'LL SEE IS MARSHALL ROAD THERE TO THE SOUTH.

SO ONGOING NORTH AND SOUTH.

UM, I THINK RIGHT NOW JUST ONE HALF OF SOLON ROAD HAS BEEN, UH, PAVED SO TO THIS POINT.

AND OUR ENTRYWAY TO OUR FACILITY IS, UH, IS SHOWN THERE BACK NEAR, UH, I 35 E.

UM, AS DAVID ALLUDED TO IN THE BEGINNING, AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME PRODUCTS, UH, MADE OF THE SAME, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS, UH, CONCRETE STEEL.

UM, WHAT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO DO IS, IS OBVIOUSLY JUST AGAIN, A REHASH FOR EVERYONE.

UM, THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE PRODUCING NEEDS AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF A BUILDING THAT, THAT DOES NOT CURRENTLY EXIST ON SITE.

THEREFORE THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, ERECT THIS BUILDING, UM, ALSO, OR THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

UM, YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO OBVIOUSLY ZACH COVERED THIS BEFORE AND THE CURRENT, UM, AMENDMENT VERSUS THE ORIGINAL SUP AND I'M SURE EVERYONE'S QUESTIONING HOW DID WE GET HERE? UM, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED AND WHY, WHY, WHY ARE WE BACK HERE AGAIN? ZACH DID.

UM, HE DID WELL, UH, INITIALLY WHEN IT WAS SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, UM, THERE WAS DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP IN, IN, UM, THE RINKER ORGANIZATION AND UPON EVALUATION WITH NEW LEADERSHIP IT CAME IN AND THEY PREEMPTIVELY HAD HAD PRESENTED THIS FOR APPROVAL.

AND, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AND WHAT WE STILL WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BE ABLE TO MEET THE INTENT OF WHAT THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE WANTS, BUT ALSO, UM, BOTH INTERESTS FOR, I MEAN THE

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AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE, WE, WE WILL CONCEDE OBVIOUSLY WE, WE PROPOSE ASPHALT.

WE DO WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE CONCRETE AND WE FULLY CONCEDE TO THAT.

UM, WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR ORIGINALLY, AS, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, WE, WE DID NOT HAVE A FIRE LANE AROUND THE EXISTING BUILDING.

UM, WE DID HAVE A MEETING, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN EARLY SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 11TH WITH, WITH ZACH AND THE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS.

WHEN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE WALKED AWAY FROM THAT MEETING, WE FELT THAT WHAT, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO, UH, ACCOMPLISH CAN STILL BE ACHIEVED THERE.

AND, AND ALSO WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, THERE IS NOT CURRENTLY A FIRE LANE THERE, BUT WE DO HAVE FORKLIFTS.

AND IF, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY A FIRE TRUCK IS 85,000 POUNDS.

UM, WE HAVE FORKLIFTS ON SITE WITH NO LOAD THAT ARE 87,000 POUNDS.

UM, 75% OF THE FULL CAPACITY IS 155,000 POUNDS, OVER 155,000 POUNDS.

SO WE DO FEEL THAT IF WE COVER THE, UM, EXPANSION THAT WE, WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO, TO MEET Y'ALL'S, UH, INTENT WITH THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING.

UM, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? SO JUST, I KNOW I ONLY HAVE FIVE MINUTES, SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW.

SO THE, THE, THE TAKEAWAY IS, IS YES, WE, WE SPOKE ABOUT THE FIRE LANE AND AGAIN, WE, WE FULLY CONCEDE THAT, THAT WE'LL DO CONCRETE, BUT WE JUST DO WANT A REDUCTION.

UM, LANDSCAPING, WE, WE AGREE THAT WE WOULD PUT IT ON THE OUTSIDE.

IT'S JUST ON THE INSIDE.

WE DO NOT SEE WHERE IT'S VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND IT WOULD ONLY BE ON THE, THE INSIDE OF THE WALL.

SO WE WOULD LIKE A, A REDUCTION ON THE LANDSCAPING ON THE INSIDE.

AND ALSO WE DO CONCEDE THAT WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE, THE SIDEWALKS AS PREVIOUSLY, UM, IN THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SUP.

UH, SO ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH.

FROM WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE, HAVE YOU ENCOUNTERED THAT BEFORE? PRIOR? NO, SIR.

NOT NO SIR.

IT, IT, IT, IT IS A CONCRETE PRODUCT, UH, RIGHT.

WE WE DO NOT, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE DUST AND THE, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL COMBUSTION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WHAT ARE Y'ALL PROPOSING TO DO REGARDING THE SCREENING WALL? I KNOW IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE, THERE WAS A PROPOSED ALTERATION.

UH, SO ARE YOU WANTING TO STICK WITH THE ALTERATION OR GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN? SAME DESIGN, JUST THE DIFFERENT VENDOR.

IT IS ALL WE'RE.

SO IT WOULD LOOK THE SAME WITHIN REASON? YES.

I MEAN, IT'D STILL BE MASONRY.

IT'LL STILL BE, IT MAY NOT BE THE EXACT SAME FACADE.

UH, I THINK HE MAY BE GOING BACK AND, AND SHOWING, I THINK THE FIRST ONE KIND OF LOOKED LIKE BLOCKS LIKE THAT.

THE, IS THERE ANY OF THAT THERE CURRENTLY? NO, SIR.

WE, WE, WE HAVE NO FENCING AROUND ANY OF THE PROPERLY PROPERTY CURRENTLY.

AND AGAIN, WE, WE WILL STILL GO WITH A, UM, MASONRY CON CONCRETE WALL.

UM, IT JUST, THE, THE FACADE MAY LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY INSTEAD OF THE BLOCK, IT MAY BE MAYBE A BRICK LOOKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT JUST, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU DO A, A MASONRY WALL LIKE THAT, UM, IT DEPENDS ON THE MANUFACTURER AND THE PATENT THEY HAVE ON IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? NO, I FORGOT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M SO SORRY.

UM, YES, SO THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT, FEEL FREE TO COME UP NOW.

BECAUSE THIS IS A, A CHANGE HERE WITH THE FIRE LANES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

MAD VICE CHAIR.

IF THERE ARE NONE, I WOULD LIKE TO, WE HAVE OUR FIRE MARSHAL HERE IF Y'ALL WOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM.

UM, MR. FULLER, WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP,

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IS IT, DOES IT CAUSE YOU ANY CONCERNS? IT DOESN'T.

EXCUSE ME, IT DOESN'T, WHEN I WAS FIRST APPROACHED, IT WAS THE PROJECT WAS GIVEN TO ME.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS GONNA BE DONE WITH THE FIRE LANES.

IT'S EXISTING BUILDING, NON-CONFORMING ANYWAY.

SO, BUT WITH THE NEW STRUCTURE, THAT'S WHERE I CAN REQUIRE THOSE LANES TO COME AROUND.

SO WHAT THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING NOW, I DID STRESS TO THEM THAT IF YOU WANT TO GET THE PROPERTY AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE, JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT THERE DOESN'T MEAN THEY SHOULDN'T BE THERE.

BUT WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT, SO I HIGHLY ENCOURAGED IT.

BUT WHERE THEY'VE LOST THEM ON THERE, I CAN'T, I CAN'T TELL 'EM THEY HAVE TO DO IT.

SO, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE PROVIDED WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE GETTING AROUND.

I WANTED TO PROVIDE HIM THOUGH IF THERE WAS ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSION THAT WANTED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS FROM THAT REGARD.

THANK YOU SIR.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UH, WHAT IS THE ZONING OR ANY OTHER APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS, UH, AROUND THE PROPERTY? SURE, WE CAN CERTAINLY COVER THAT AS I ZOOM OUT HERE.

UH, THIS IS PRIMARILY AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.

SO THE PROPERTIES ALONG MARSHALL ROAD HERE ON EITHER SIDE, UH, TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH ARE ALL LIGHT INDUSTRIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF MARSHALL ROAD IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THIS IS A COMMERCIAL ZONE PROPERTY, UH, AND TO THE NORTH ALONG AUSTIN ROAD.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'M SORRY.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT CLOSED.

YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

UH, DIRECT COM, UH, A WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANY, UM, YEAH.

UM, I'LL HANG ON SECOND, JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY THIS IS, THIS IS HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.

I DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF A BODY THAT SETS A PRECEDENT FOR, UM, DEVIATING FROM THE CITY'S STANDARDS ON THESE THINGS.

UM, SO I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT ALLOWING, UM, THESE CHANGES OTHER THAN I COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, BE PERSUADED TO REMOVE THE LANDSCAPING INSIDE THE SCREENING WALL BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC ANYWAY.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CHANGING THE, ALLOWING THEM TO USE ASPHALT INSTEAD OF CONCRETE FOR THE FIRE LANE? YOU KNOW, I DO THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT THEY'RE A CONCRETE COMPANY , BUT THEY WANT TO USE ASPHALT.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, I I IF IT'S BEHIND THAT SCREENING WALL, I DON'T KNOW.

MR. FULLER, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR CONCRETE OR ASPHALT? AND I'LL JUST CLARIFY BRIEFLY.

SO THE PROPOSAL IN THE PACKET WAS FOR ASPHALT.

THEY HAVE UPDATED THEIR PROPOSAL, UH, FOR THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN FIRE LANE.

THAT'S GONNA REMAIN TO KEEP THAT CONCRETE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, ZACH.

I APOLOGIZE.

SO MR. FULLER, IS THAT A SAFETY CONCERN AT ALL? YEAH.

WHICH PART IS THAT? IS THE PART THAT THEY STILL WANT TO MAKE ASPHALT A SAFETY CONCERN? I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO USE ASPHALT ON CONCRETE.

SO THE, THE PORTION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHERE THEY'VE REMOVED IT? YES.

SO THERE IS NOT, THERE'S NOT ASPHALT THERE NOW, IT'S JUST HARD COMPACTED YEARS AND YEARS OF JUST HARD PACKED.

SO THERE IS ON THE WEST SIDE, SOUTH SIDE THAT WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS NO FIRE LANE MM-HMM .

SO, UH, AND TO THE POINT OF THE ASPHALT, THEY'VE SWITCHED IT NOW.

SO IT'S NOT A POINT OF CONVERSATION.

I HAD ALREADY TOLD 'EM THEY'VE GOTTA PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY WANNA DEVIATE FROM CONCRETE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE FIRETRUCK WEIGHT.

BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO CONCRETE AND THEY SWITCH THAT, THAT'S COMPLETELY FINE.

BUT NO, THERE IS, THERE IS NO FIRE LANE ON THAT SIDE ON THE SOUTH AND WEST.

REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FIRE LANE AND DRY VILE ON THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IN FAVOR OF THE EXISTING CONDITION.

SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, UH, MORE OF A QUESTION FOR STAFF, I GUESS, BECAUSE WHAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT THAT'S IN OUR PACKET AND WHAT THEY PRESENTED, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE ASKING FOR FEWER DEVIATIONS AND THAN WHAT, CAN YOU HELP ME JUST UNDERSTAND WHICH DEVIATIONS ARE ACTUALLY REQUESTING RIGHT NOW? CORRECT.

UM, SO THE, THE MOST UP-TO-DATE DEVIATIONS ARE TO

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THEY WOULD KEEP THE CONCRETE FIRE LANE THAT GOES AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.

SO THE EAST AND THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE ALSO PROPOSED TO KEEP THE REQUIRED SIDEWALKS, UH, THAT WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.

UH, THE PARKING LOT IS ALSO, UH, PROPOSED NOW TO BE MAINTAINED AS CONCRETE.

IT IS THE, THE GRAVEL CURRENTLY.

SO THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THAT CONCRETE.

UH, THE DEVIATIONS THAT REMAIN FOR THE WALL ARE SWITCHING MANUFACTURERS.

UH, THEY HAVE, UH, CONCEDED THAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE A MASONRY TYPE PRODUCT.

UH, SOME, UH, TYPE OF CONCRETE FORM STYLED TO LOOK LIKE BRICK OR STACKED STONE.

AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING GOES, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO ELIMINATE THE INTERIOR LANDSCAPING.

SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF INTERIOR LANDSCAPING THAT TAKES PLACE WHERE MY CURSOR'S LOCATED HERE.

THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE REMOVED.

THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPING ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.

SO REMOVING A PORTION OF THE FIRE LANE, THE LANDSCAPING ON THE INTERIOR AND CHANGING THE MATERIAL OF THE MASONRY WALL.

THAT'S IT.

CORRECT.

AND ZACH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

AND I, I BELIEVE THE INTERIOR SCREENING LANDSCAPING INCLUDED SOME THREE INCH TREES, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE WERE A FEW CANOPY TREES LOCATED ON THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.

YOU CAN SEE THOSE SYMBOLIZE WHERE MY CURSOR AT.

AND THEN, UH, WHAT GIVES THE CITY PAUSE? THAT'S, UH, UH, WHICH OF THOSE GIVES THE CITY PAUSE AS FAR AS RECOMMENDED AND DENIAL? UH, THE PRIMARY PAUSE FOR US IS THAT DRY VIAL.

THERE, THERE IS OF COURSE THE, THE SAFETY CONCERN FOR FIRE ACCESS.

AND ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS MARSHALL ROAD IS A, A, A PRIMARY CORRIDOR INTO THE CITY AND, AND WILL CONTINUE TO, TO GROW AS A PRIMARY CORRIDOR.

SO, UH, IT DUST IN THE AREA HAS BEEN AN ISSUE IN THE PAST.

IT, IT COULD CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE WITH A DRIVE AISLE THAT IS UNIMPROVED THAT REMAINS AS GRAVEL ON THE SOUTHERN AND WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, SO THAT FACTORS INTO STAFF CONCERN AS WELL.

UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE SUP THAT WAS APPROVED, THOSE SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WE, WE DO FEEL THOSE WERE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE MINIMUM SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.

I WANT TO DO THE FIRE.

I I WILL ADD BRIEFLY, UH, AS THE DISCUSSION CONTINUES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED, AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT PORTIONS, UH, OF, OF DEVIATIONS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SELECT, UH, INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FOR THEM TONIGHT.

I'M, I'M HONESTLY A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BETWEEN THE MAN THAT DRIVES THE FIRE TRUCK AND THEN THE CITY'S STANDARD.

SO IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE AND THEN THE CITY SAYING IT'S A SAFE SAFETY ISSUE, THAT'S WHY I'M, I I'M STILL CONFUSED.

SORRY.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAFETY, IT'S WHAT'S EXISTING.

SO WHEN WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION, I WILL HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE FIRE LANES, BUT THAT BUILDING IS EXISTING.

SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE SAFEST WAY TO MAKE THAT ENTIRE COMPLEX IS TO HAVE CONCRETE FIRE LANES.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I CAN TELL YOU WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING A BUILDING, THE ACCESS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE TO A NEW STRUCTURE HAS TO BE THERE.

CORRECT.

WHAT'S EXISTING.

SO LIKE I SAID, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FROM THE THE GET GO WAS THEY WERE GOING TO ADD THE CONCRETE ANYWAY.

SO IF THEY COME ON THE BACKSIDE, THAT'S JUST WHAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

SO IF YOU'RE SAYING WHAT IS THE SAFEST, THE SAFEST IS GONNA BE IF THERE'S A CONCRETE FIRE LANE.

SO, BUT THERE AGAIN, IF THEY'RE WANTING TO REMOVE THAT, THAT WILL BE UP TO Y'ALL.

UNDERSTOOD.

GOTCHA.

BUT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THERE'S AN SP NOW I GET IT.

GOT IT.

SAY IT AGAIN.

I GET IT NOW.

YOU NOW'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY.

I UNDERSTAND.

TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF ZDC 1 5 4 202 5 A SUP AMENDMENT.

ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I, I MOVE

[8. Consider recommendation of ZDC-154-2025]

REQUEST FOR ORDINANCE NUMBER 35 83.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

AND FINALLY THIS EVENING WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY DENTIST CHURCH MINTO COMMUNITIES TEXAS LLC FOR A ZONING CHANGE FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY ONE, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICTS TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT

[9. Public Hearing on a request by Dennis Church, Minto Communities Texas, LLC, for a Zoning Change from Planned Development-Mixed Use Residential (PD-MUR), Single Family-1 (SF-1), Future Development (FD), and General Retail (GR) zoning districts to a Planned Development (PD) zoning district, located at 300 Brookside Road (Property ID’s 179468, 179534, 182520, 187960, 189323, 189326, 189333, 189336, 192306, 193815, 193822, 193823, 234203, 263786, 264568, 303651, 303652) – Owners: Walton Texas LP, United Presbyterian Homes, William & Leanne Kelley (ZDC-232-2024)]

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300 BROOKSIDE ROAD, UM, STAFF.

THANK YOU VICE CHAIR.

I I WILL NOTE BEFORE GETTING INTO THIS CASE THAT SHORTLY BEFORE THE MEETING, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE TO THE DECEMBER 8TH PZ MEETING, I BELIEVE.

UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE TABLE TONIGHT.

UH, LET US KNOW IF YOU'D STILL LIKE STAFF TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO SO AND COVER THAT.

AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HAS SOME MATERIAL, UH, THAT THEY HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM.

UH, BUT THEY HAVE JUST REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE TONIGHT.

THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO DISCUSS THAT.

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, ANSWERED, UH, TONIGHT AS WELL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO THAT ROUTE.

UM, AS A REMINDER, IF YOU DO CONTINUE THE MEETING, WE STILL DO NEED TO AFFORD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.

UM, ZACH, IS THAT MEETING ON DECEMBER 8TH OR NINTH? YES.

IS IT MONDAY OR TUESDAY? UH, IT IS A MONDAY.

IT'S DECEMBER 8TH.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD THE, THE RIGHT DATE IN MY MIND.

UM, ALRIGHT, SO, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

DO Y'ALL WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR STAFF ON THEIR PRESENTATION OR ARE YOU GUYS GOOD? GOOD.

OKAY, WE'RE GOOD ZACH.

ALRIGHT.

UM, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO COME UP AND, AND SPEAK JUST REAL QUICKLY, RICHARD, ER, UH, 2 0 8 KATY LAKE.

UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD.

THE STAFF, I WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK I SAID LAST TIME I WAS HERE, BUT STAFF IS, THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL AND THEY'VE CRUNCHED THROUGH IT EVERY TIME.

SO WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING WITH, UH, CITY MANAGER COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF ON LAST TUESDAY, AND WENT THROUGH A LOT MORE DETAIL.

WE UPDATED THAT REQUEST, SENT IT TO STAFF FRIDAY MORNING.

OBVIOUSLY THEY DID NOT HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT, UH, BEFORE THIS MEETING.

AND SO, UH, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S BEST TO LET THEM GO.

THAT'S THE 10TH SUBMITTAL, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT.

UH, AND THEY, YOU GIVE THEM TIME TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT.

AND OBVIOUSLY THE 25TH IS THANKSGIVING WEEK AND THAT THAT MEETING MAY NOT MAKE, UH, SO WE WOULD ASK FOR IT TO GO TO THE EIGHTH AND THEN THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO COUNSEL ON THE 15TH.

SO, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, TO YOU ALL AND ALL THE WHO'VE COME TONIGHT TO, UH, ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, UH, UH, I HATE TO ASK FOR ANOTHER CONTINUANCE, BUT IF YOU'RE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO PLAN IT, GIVE IT TO US.

UH, WE WOULD USE THAT TIME WISELY.

OKAY, THANKS RICHARD.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, WE, WE WILL BE VOTING ON THE REQUEST TO CONTINUE.

SO ANYONE WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

YOU ARE OF COURSE, STILL WELCOME TO COME UP AND SPEAK THIS EVENING IF YOU'D LIKE TO, BUT THERE WILL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.

SO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, YOU'RE WELCOME TO BOB FERRIS AT, UH, 60 59 EAST FM 8 75.

UH, LAST TIME WE HAD A MEETING WITH P AND ZI ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF THE TRAFFIC ON 8 75 AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE RAILROAD TRACK AND THE TRAIN.

WHAT'S GOING TO CONTROL WHETHER OR NOT TRAFFIC MOVES REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE PUT UP STREET, UH, PUT UP LIGHTS OR NOT.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN, BUT HAVE WE ADDRESSED TXDOT, WIDENING THE HIGHWAY, ACCOMMODATING THE TRAFFIC? WHAT IS THE LATENT EFFECT WHEN, WHEN THE TRAFFIC COMES? WILL WE BE PREPARED? RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S TRAINS THAT STOP ALL DURING THE DAY AND YOU MAY BE SITTING THERE 15, 20 MINUTES TRAFFIC STACKS UP.

SO IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, WE ALL LIVE IN WAXAHATCHEE.

THERE'S A RAILROAD TRACK THAT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF THIS WITH ONLY ONE OVER.

COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YOU ROSE A VERY INTERESTING POINT.

CAN WE GET AN ORDINANCE PASSED AROUND OR PETITION? WE DON'T WRITE ORDINANCE.

YOU CAN TALK TO THE GENTLEMAN AT THE END OF THE TABLE.

I'LL, I'LL FLOAT IT AROUND AND GET A QUIET ZONE DONE.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, OF THE TRAINS IS WE HAVE LITTLE TO NO CONTROL.

AND BY WE, I MEAN THE CITY HAS LITTLE TO NO CONTROL OVER WHAT THE RAILROADS DO.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE STATE TEXAS DOES.

WELL, I'M NOT TALKING TO THE STATE OF TEXAS.

PARDON ME? YOU'RE NOT TALKING TO THE STATE OF TEXAS.

WELL, I REALIZE THAT, BUT YOU, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT, BUT ALSO THE CITY ENDORSES WHEN THE CITY HAS LOOKED AT IT AND ADDRESSED IT WITH THE VARIOUS, UH, RAILROAD RAILROADS AND, AND AUTHORITIES.

IT WOULD, LAST LAST ESTIMATE WAS IT WAS GONNA COST ALMOST $10 MILLION TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE.

TRUST ME, WE ALL WANT IT TO HAPPEN.

REALLY? YES, SIR.

OH WOW.

IT'S NOT THAT WE JUST CALL UP AND DO IT.

THERE'S A COST THAT GOES WITH IT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I HAD LOOKED AT THEIR WEBSITE.

THEY DO HAVE A QUITE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN, UH, A PETITION FOR AND A QUIET ZONE ISN'T THE SAME AS AS CHANGING THE RAILROAD TRACKS OR, OR DOING ANYTHING.

THIS ISN'T DEALING, THAT'S DEALING WITH THE QUIET ZONE.

YES, SIR.

SIR, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST ONE THAT'S COME UP AND ASKED US TO DO

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SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

AND WE WOULD'VE DONE IT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

WAY BEFORE WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, IT HAD BEEN ABOUT QUARTER OF THE COST, BUT IT'S JUST GONE UP.

TRUST ME.

I FEEL I I LIVE, HOW FAR DO I LIVE FROM, WE BOTH LIVE.

WE, I CAN THROW A BASEBALL AND HIT A TRAIN.

SO SAME HERE.

THAT'S MULTIPLYING TRAFFIC.

SO YOU GET TWO O'CLOCK HORN IN THE MORNING, NEITHER ONE OF 'EM HAVE A VERY GOOD ARM.

WELL, YOU KNOW, SO I BUILD YOUR PAIN.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

BUT THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE WITH THE RAILROAD TRACK AND, AND IF WE HAVE THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THIS SUBDIVISION MAY BRING ON THAT ROAD OVER THERE, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE TRAFFIC? WHAT, HOW ARE WE GONNA CONTROL THAT TRAFFIC? HAVE WE CONSIDERED TALKING TO THE RAILROAD ABOUT WIDENING THE ROAD AND EXPANDING THAT ROADWAY AT, AT, UH, TRUS ACROSS THERE SO WE CAN PASS TRAFFIC? I MEAN, THIS IS A BIG CONCERN.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER CONCERN TOO, I HAVEN'T ADDRESSED YET.

I WANNA TALK TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

I HAVE A MEETING WITH MR. ROBINSON ON WEDNESDAY, AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THE HIGH DENSITY 20 UNITS PER DENSITY ACRE OF HOUSING, 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS THAT HAVE NO LESS THAN 800 SQUARE FEET.

LET'S LOOK AT THE IMPACT HERE.

LET'S THINK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

IF YOU HAVE TWO CARS PER FAMILY, THAT'S 40 CARS ON THE STREET.

'CAUSE THERE IS NO PARKING.

SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? TAKE A 60, UH, A 60 FOOT STREET OR AN 80 FOOT STREET PARK THOSE CARS PERPENDICULAR TO THE CURB AND AND RESTRICT THE ROADWAY ON BOTH SIDES, TRAFFIC PASSING AND GOING.

DOES THAT SOUND FEASIBLE? I WOULDN'T THINK SO.

WHAT A HAZARD WE'D HAVE.

WHAT ABOUT CHILDREN PLAYING IN THE STREET AND CHILDREN PLAYING AROUND? WHAT ABOUT EMERGENCY VEHICLES PASSING THROUGH THERE ON A HARD DAY? I MEAN, IT'S A BIG CONCERN.

THOSE ARE TIGHT.

I'M A DEVELOPER AND I UNDERSTAND UNITS PER DENSITY AND I UNDERSTAND HOW MANY CARS CAN BE ALLOWED PER FAMILY.

THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN.

NOW I HAVE TO SAY THE CONCEPT OF HAVING SMALLER, LOTS LOWER PRICED SO YOU CAN INCREASE, SO YOU CAN DECREASE THE COST OF HOUSING FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS.

THAT'D BE A GAME CHANGER.

INCREASE THE TAXES, BUT IT ALSO CREATES A LOT OF LIABILITY FOR THE CITY.

WE HAVE TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO INCREASE THE DENSITY, LOWER THE DENSITY, AND LESSEN THE TRAFFIC AND FORGET ABOUT THE TAX BASE.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN PERHAPS HUMAN LIVES.

SO I'M ING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I HADN'T BEEN PRIVY TO ALL THE PLANNING BEFORE THIS TIME AND I WAS ONLY INVOLVED THIS LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS OR SO, BUT I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN, THOSE HIGH DENSITY LOTS AND I WOULD APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO GIVE IT SOME CONCERN AND THE NET EFFECT TO THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE.

THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE WITH ME.

AND, AND LISTEN, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT, I SUBSCRIBE TO HIGH DENSITY LOTS, BUT NOT THAT HIGH.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A LIMIT TO EVERYTHING INSIDE.

UH, WHEN YOU TAKE A SQUARE, A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ON A 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, ONLY 800 FEET OF GRASS OR, OR WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THE BOUNDARIES LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THESE THESE SETBACKS GONNA LOOK LIKE? ARE THERE GONNA BE ZERO LOT LINE? OH, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, SO I DON'T KNOW.

BUT, BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE AND I'LL FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT WHEN I MEET MR. ROBINSON ON WEDNESDAY.

LOOK AT THE PLANNING AND SEE HOW THAT'S SET ASIDE.

BUT ANYWAY, PLEASE GIVE US CONCERN ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THE TRAFFIC ON 8 75.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOROUGH WAVE PLANNING REGARDING THE HIGH, HOW IMPACT OF TRAFFIC THERE? HAVE Y'ALL SEEN ANYTHING FROM THE ZONING COMMITTEE? HAVE Y'ALL SEEN ANY THOROUGH WAVE PLANNING OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC ESTIMATES MIGHT BE? YEAH, JUST TO QUICKLY ANSWER THAT.

WE HAVE DISCUSS, UH, A LOT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN AROUND THE THOROUGHFARE, UH, ROAD NETWORK.

UH, SO YES, WE, WE'VE HAD MANY, MANY DISCUSSIONS ON THE ROAD NETWORK AND THE REPAIR PLAN, ET CETERA.

MAY, MAY I ADDRESS THAT WITH YOU WHEN I SEE YOU WEDNESDAY.

I APPRECIATE ABOUT THAT.

THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? HOW DID I KNOW LY HOW DID YOU KNOW? HOW DID YOU KNOW THE MOUTH WILL BE UP HERE? BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY TONIGHT.

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? YOU KNOW, OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THIS GENTLEMAN NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

KATHY CAEL, 4 0 5 BROOKSIDE ROAD, WAXAHATCHEE, TEXAS.

Y'ALL GOT A LETTER FROM ME ABOUT THINGS BEFOREHAND AND LIKE 12 OR 14 THINGS ON THERE AND EVERYBODY'S SMILING.

TO DEVELOP A HUGE PART OF WAXAHATCHEE IS A MAJOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

FIRST OF ALL, ONLY PARTICULARLY ONE THING.

I DO HAVE A OBJECTION TO ANYTHING HERE GOING ON WITH THIS AND YOU KNOW THAT.

BUT THE OTHER THING I HAVE TO DO IS I TALKED TO ATTORNEY WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS ETHICS COMMISSION AND IT STATED HAVING A COUNTY TAX OFFICIAL WORKING ON A PAID AS A PAID PERSON ON A DEVELOPMENT, WANTING

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THIS IS FROM A STATE ETHICS COMMISSION.

SO AGAIN, IF THAT IS GOING ON HERE, BECAUSE AS I SAID IN THE CITY COUNCIL, THIS IS LIKE GOOD OLD BOY ATTITUDE.

EVERYBODY HERE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE COUNTY TAX ACCESSOR COLLECTOR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WRONG.

I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY THIS EVENING.

THAT'S WRONG FOR US TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS OFFICIAL OF THE COUNTY OF THE TEXT HERE IN WAXAHATCHEE TO REPRESENT SOMEBODY THAT WE'RE STANDING AGAINST.

THAT'S WHAT I SEE ON THAT.

AND JUST WITH THAT, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO.

THEY GAVE ME TWO OTHER COMMITTEES OR COMMISSIONS THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO TALK TO.

AND THE ATTAIN, THE ATTORNEY GEN OR THE GENERAL THAT I TALKED TO DID TELL ME THAT PLEASE CALL ME AND GIVE ME INFORMATION ON IT.

AND I SAID, YES SIR, I WILL DO SO, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, THAT, BUT THAT WAS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

AREN'T YOU THRILLED ? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, KATHY.

DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? TONY TOVAR, 4 1 5 BROOKSIDE ROAD, WAXAHATCHEE.

UH, I ACTUALLY JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

SO IS IT A COMMON OCCURRENCE FOR SOMETHING LIKE A REQUEST LIKE THIS TO COME BEFORE YOU GUYS, BEFORE IT'S COMPLETELY READY, UH, FOR, I GUESS FOR YOU GUYS TO VOTE ON? IS IT A COMMON OCCURRENCE FOR THAT TO OCCUR? WE HEAR STUFF ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY READY.

THAT'S NOT COMPLETED.

UM, AND, AND, AND IS IT UNCOMMON FOR THEM TO SUBMIT FURTHER REQUESTS ONCE THEY'VE TALKED THINGS OUT WITH STAFF? NO, I, I WILL STATE IT IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE FOR A DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN.

UM, WE DO MEET WITH THEM, UM, AND GO THROUGH THE DUE PROCESS.

SO GIVING, GRANTING AND CONTINUANCE IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.

UM, THERE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT'VE COME UP IN MEETINGS OR DISCUSSIONS WHERE MAYBE IT WASN'T THOUGHT OF OR THEY NEEDED MORE PLANNING AND THIS IS A GREAT TOOL TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE BEING DONE RIGHT, GIVING THEM THE CORRECT DUE PROCESS AND BEING ABLE TO ALLOW THEM TO GO BACK AND RE-LOOK AT IT.

SO THIS IS CONSISTENT, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS SIZE OF A DEVELOPMENT.

I, I WOULD EXPECT SOMETHING ALONG THOSE, THOSE LINES.

GREAT.

THAT'S THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ASK.

ALRIGHT, DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I'D LIKE TO SPEAK IF I COULD AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.

SO THE LADY THAT SPOKE UP HERE, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

OH, I'M SORRY.

YES, SIR.

RICHARD ROSER, AGAIN.

2 0 8 KATY LAKE HERE IN WAXAHATCHEE.

SO, UH, FIRST THING I WANNA SAY IS I'M HERE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND A BUSINESS PERSON.

I'M NOT HERE IN ANY WAY CAPACITY OFFICIALLY OR OTHERWISE FOR THE COUNTY OF ELLIS.

I AM THE COUNTY'S TAX ASSESSOR, BUT THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY PROFESSION THAT I WAS, I'VE BEEN IN THE CON THE CONSULTING BUSINESS FOR 25 YEARS.

I'VE WORKED WITH CONSULTANTS ON THIS TEAM, UH, AT OTHER, MANY OTHER PROJECTS.

I'VE REPRESENTED PEOPLE BOTH IN ELLIS COUNTY, BUT OTHER COUNTIES AROUND THE METROPLEX AND EVEN IN OTHER STATES THAT WERE DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK.

I'VE WORKED FOR SOME OF THE LARGEST DEVELOPERS FROM THE COWBOYS.

I WORKED ON THE, THE STADIUM IN ARLINGTON AND IN DALLAS COUNTY.

I'VE WORKED WITH, UH, SOME OF THE LARGEST DEVELOPERS THAT, THAT WE COULD NAME TONIGHT.

AND, AND A LOT OF SMALL DEVELOPERS, UH, PEOPLE THAT WERE WANTING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO I I DIDN'T JUST SHOW UP HERE TONIGHT TO TRY TO TWIST EVERYBODY'S ARM OR DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL.

NOW I ALSO TALKED TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION.

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE IN THEIR PURVIEW WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS NOT A PART OF WHAT THEY DO.

I TALKED TO THEIR ATTORNEY, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

I DID TALK TO THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES WHO, WHO ADVISED ME, UH, WHICH I'D ALREADY TALKED TO PREVIOUSLY BEFORE WHEN I GOT A, WHEN I TOOK THIS JOB AS A COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR.

UH, AND WHEN I WAS REELECTED, UH, BECAUSE I WAS IN THE THIS, IT SAID I WAS, THIS WAS MY CHOSEN BUSINESS FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS.

AND, UH, THEY ASSURED ME THAT I DID NOT HAVE A CONFLICT.

I COULD HAVE STAYED IN THE BACKGROUND AND NOT BEEN PUBLIC IN MY COMMENTS AND NOBODY WOULD'VE KNOWN I WAS INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT.

BUT I DON'T LIKE DOING BUSINESS THAT WAY.

I LIKE TO BE OUT IN FRONT AND TELL PEOPLE, IF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME, UH, DOING THAT, THEN YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ELECTION SEASON THAT COMES AND THEY CAN DEAL WITH THAT.

BUT I ASSURE YOU, I'M NOT VIOLATING ANY STATE LAW OR ANY CODE OF ETHICS.

I HOLD MYSELF TO A LOT HIGHER ETHICAL ABILITY AND STANDARD THAN THAT.

AND I'M SORRY THAT, UH, SOME FEEL THAT WAY, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IS NOT MY INTENTION AND THEN I DON'T, AND I DON'T REPRESENT THE FOLKS WHO ARE, UH, THAT ARE THESE FINE DEVELOPERS WHO I THINK IS A WONDERFUL COMPANY AND, UH, BRINGING A GREAT PROJECT TO OUR COMMUNITY, UH, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IN AN ETHICAL MANNER.

KIND OF READ OFF A LITTLE BIT HERE.

OKAY, THANKS.

ALRIGHT.

DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? HI, HOW ARE YOU? I'M HEATHER FAGAN.

I LIVE, UH, 1720 LONE ELM.

I MIGHT NOT MAKE IT TO THAT NEXT MEETING, SO I'M JUST GONNA

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I'M ACTUALLY THRILLED EVERYBODY THAT I'VE SENT EMAILS TO AND SPOKEN TO FROM THE DEVELOPERS TO THE CITY, EVERYBODY WANT HAS SHARED MY EXACT CONCERNS.

SO THEY SHOULD BE REALLY SIMPLE TO IRON OUT.

UM, AND I HAD DONE, I HAD MADE THE FOIA REQUEST, SO I HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION, UH, REGARDING THE PROJECT.

I WAS AWARE OF THE EMORY LAKES PROJECT PRIOR.

I ACTUALLY LIKED THAT BECAUSE IT WAS ALL OPEN GREEN SPACE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

SO IF WE COULD LOBBY FOR THAT, I WOULD BE REALLY HAPPY WITH THAT.

UM, BUT AFTER THE LAST MEETING, UM, I DID MEET WITH, UM, WITH DENNIS AND, UH, A FEW OF THE OTHER GENTLEMEN AND THEY ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED A LOT OF MY CONCERNS THAT I HAD, UM, REGARDING, UH, DIFF THE DIFFERENT ZONING, UM, ISSUES.

UM, I'M KIND OF SURPRISED WHEN I READ TODAY, BASICALLY THE CONCERNS FROM THE STAFF, UH, REGARDING THE, I WAS REALLY EXCITED ACTUALLY WHEN I MET WITH THEM TO SEE THAT THERE WAS NO COMMERCIAL, UH, OR RETAIL SPACE LOCATED AT THE END OF LONE ELM ANYMORE.

UM, BUT THEN TODAY WHEN I LOOKED, I SAW THAT THE STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF THE MIXED USE TRACKS ALONG THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT IT WOULD LIMIT THE AVAIL, UH, AVAILABILITY OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO RESIDENTS.

AND THEN LISTED CONCERNS REGARDING WALKABILITY DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.

UM, FOR ANYBODY UNFAMILIAR WITH THAT TERM.

I'M, I AM VERY FAMILIAR.

I, AS I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, I AM A CALIFORNIA REFUGEE AND I'M TRYING TO STOP TEXAS FROM TURNING INTO ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO WHAT CALIFORNIA WAS .

UM, AND SO LIKE IN, LIKE, I REALLY HOPE PEOPLE HEED MY WARNING BECAUSE THAT I, I'VE HEARD THAT LANGUAGE BEFORE, THAT EXACT SAME VERBIAGE.

THEY USE IT FOR THEIR 15 MINUTE CITIES.

UM, THE WALKABILITY, THEY TRY TO SELL IT UNDER THE GUISE OF PROGRESS.

AND IT IS ANYTHING BUT IT DESTROYS THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I LIVED IN A TINY CHICKEN TOWN THAT WAS DESTROYED BY THE TIME I MOVED OUTTA THERE.

AND WE'D, SAME THING.

WE WENT FROM ABOUT 30,000.

THEY ADD, THEY KEPT ADDING DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS.

BY THE TIME I LEFT, IT WAS OVER 80,000 PEOPLE.

UH, THERE WAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT WAS THE SAME THING.

UH, THE CONCERN THAT I'M SEEING BASICALLY WAS SAYING THAT, UH, THE STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT CREATING THE SAME TYPE OF BOTTLENECK AND, UH, CONGESTION THAT'S ALONG HIGHWAY 77.

UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN.

HOWEVER, ALL OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS OCCURRED ALONG A MAJOR HIGHWAY.

I'M ON A LITTLE LO ELM ROAD AND THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S APPLES TO ORANGES.

IT CAN'T EVEN BE COMPARED, UM, THE, THE DISTANCE FROM MY HOUSE TO HEB OR EVEN TO GET HERE.

IT TOOK ME LESS THAN EIGHT MINUTES TO GET HERE FROM LO ELM ROAD.

SO THERE'S NO REASON WHY SOMEBODY IN THE CENTER OF THIS, THEY'D BE EVEN CLOSER TO, TO HEB OR DOWNTOWN OR GROCERIES TO, TO THEN PUT RETAIL.

AND I, AGAIN, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED WITH THE LANGUAGE.

UM, DENNIS WAS GREAT.

HE WENT OVER A LOT OF STUFF WITH ME, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE FLEX HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

'CAUSE I, I HAD CONCERNS REGARDING THAT LANGUAGE, FLEX HOUSING AND WHAT IT, WHAT IT MEANS.

AND WE WENT OVER IT.

THEY WERE, THEY MADE A COUPLE LITTLE AMENDMENTS AND HE ACTUALLY SENT THEM TO ME.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, BUT BASICALLY IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT SPACE IS ALLOWED TO BE ANYTHING LISTED AS A COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL CAN ALSO BE A STORAGE FACILITY, MANUFACTURING FACILITY OR A DATA CENTER.

MM-HMM.

THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO GO.

WE ARE, I, WE ARE, MY BLOCK WAS ANNEXED, IN CASE YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, ELLE LITERALLY JUST OUR LITTLE 16 HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK.

UM, AND WE ALREADY DON'T GET CITY WATER.

WE DON'T GET CITY SEWER.

IT'S LIKE AN ACT OF CONGRESS TO GET THE ROAD PATCHED OUT THERE.

UM, AND SO I WISH THAT THAT SAME KIND OF CONCERN WAS BROUGHT TO US WITH THOSE ISSUES.

AND I, I'M HOPING THAT THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL KIND OF THINK OF LIKE, WE'RE ALREADY A PREEXISTING COMMUNITY.

SO AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND NOT WANTING IT TO LOOK LIKE 77.

NOBODY WANTS IT TO LOOK ANYTHING TO LOOK LIKE 77 AND I GET THAT.

BUT PUTTING RETAIL OUT ON THE END OF LOAN ELM ON THE LITTLE CAP THERE IS GONNA DO NOTHING OTHER THAN DESTROY OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT'S GONNA AFFECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES AND IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE THE IMPACT.

LIKE IT, YOU CAN'T PUT A GROCERY STORE OUT THERE.

LIKE THAT'S JUST NOT, AND AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS SHOULD THIS PROJECT FAIL INTO PHASE THREE NOW THIS IS ALL ZONED FOR THIS AND THE NEXT GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA COME IN, THEY'RE GONNA JUST HAVE A, THEY'RE GONNA SKATE RIGHT INTO PUTTING THIS IN.

SO I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT THAT RETAIL AT THE END OF LOAN NOW WAS GONE.

AND THEN TO READ THAT THE, THAT YOU, THE STAFF WAS CONCERNED AND WANTS THAT RETAIL SPACE BACK THERE, PLEASE RECONSIDER THAT, UM, DRIVE DOWN THAT LITTLE ROAD.

UM, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO REPAIR, UH, REPLACE THAT ENTIRE ROAD.

AND AGAIN, LIKE TO GET, LIKE IT'S ALREADY LIKE DRIVING OVER, UM,

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A MILLION TINY LITTLE, UH, SPEED BUMPS.

TRY JUST TRYING TO GET DOWN THE ROAD THERE.

UH, WHICH IS, IF IT WAS PAVED, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD BE BETTER.

'CAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE THE AUDUBON AND PEOPLE WOULD BE GOING 80 DOWN MY BLOCK.

UM, SO THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THERE.

BUT THE CITY, AFTER MEETING WITH THEM, THE CITY IS THE ONE WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WIDENING THAT ROAD AND CREATING ACCESS DOWN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY IF, IF WITH INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW THAT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST BE DEMOLISHED WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO.

UM, SO I'M, AGAIN, I'M JUST, I DON'T WANNA RAMBLE.

I DON'T WANNA BE UP HERE.

UM, I CAN'T BE AS SMOOTH AS CAT, BUT UM, WE'RE NOT A DEAD ZONE OUT THERE.

IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE IT, UH, WE'VE HAD NOTHING BUT YOU KNOW, COW NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE WAY FOR A WHILE NOW.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA CHANGE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP THE PROJECT.

UM, BUT WE ARE A PRE-EXISTING COMMUNITY OUT THERE ALREADY.

UM, WE MIGHT BE SMALL, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NEIGHBORS WE'RE WE TO HAVE THIS COME IN AND JUST POSSIBLY BE THE RETAIL THAT REALLY SCARES ME.

UM, AND AGAIN, UH, THEY'VE ASSURED ME THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUSH BACK ANY, THE FLEX HOUSING IF IT, THE ONLY WAY THAT IT COULD TURN INTO ANYTHING TALLER THAN A ONE OR TWO STORY BUILDING WOULD BE IF IT IS THE 55 AND UP COMMUNITY, IF THAT SELLS KIND OF TWO TO ONE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THEY CHOOSE.

AND IT WOULD BE A FOUR STORY.

AND THEY WERE VERY KINDLY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD PUSH IT BACK A THOUSAND FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE SO THAT I DON'T HAVE PEOPLE STARING INTO MY BACKYARD.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

SO I REALLY, I, I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN MAKE IT TO THAT NEXT MEETING.

UM, AND THAT'S IT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

ALRIGHT SIR, THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? SORRY, DEAN SOMY 6 0 5 BROOKSIDE.

I WASN'T GONNA SPEAK TONIGHT 'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA SHOW ALL MY CARDS SINCE WE WERE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

BUT, UM, WHEN I SHOWED UP HERE TONIGHT, I THOUGHT, MAN, THE CITY MUST HAVE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS THING.

'CAUSE THIS PLACE IS GONNA BE PACKED WITH ALL THESE CARS OUT HERE.

BUT I DIDN'T KNOW.

I THOUGHT, DANG.

BUT, UH, ANYWAY, UM, AND THEN COMING UP HERE, I FELT LIKE I LEFT, I WAS LEAVING THE HOUSE AT 10:00 PM JUST TO COME TO A MEETING.

BUT, UH, I'M A LEVELHEADED KIND OF GUY.

Y'ALL, I THINK.

YEP.

THE ONES THAT NORMALLY KNOW THAT.

BUT I GIVE KUDOS TO THIS, TO THE MENTO GROUP.

THEY TOOK TIME OUTTA THEIR DAY TO INVITE ME TO SIT DOWN WITH ME ONE ON ONE AND KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF OUR CONCERNS.

I I SPEAK UP HERE TONIGHT JUST ON MY BEHALF.

I DON'T REPRESENT ANYBODY ELSE ON BROOK'S SIDE, SO I DON'T WANT ANY, I DON'T WANNA HATE EMAIL OR PUT HATE STUFF ON MY DOOR TONIGHT 'CAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE I'M SIDING WITH THE ENEMY.

UH, BUT THESE GUYS AREN'T, I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY ARE THE ENEMY.

I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO PRESENT A, A REALLY GOOD, UH, DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE.

UM, THEY, LIKE I SAID, THEY DID CALL ME IN AND WE SIT DOWN FOR I THINK TWO HOURS, UH, IN THE COFFEE SHOP AND TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.

SO I GOTTA GIVE KUDOS TO THEM FOR THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE REALLY IN IT TO HELP MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE THAT IT'S AFFECTING.

MOSTLY US THERE ON BROOK SIDE.

SO, WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING, AND I KNOW WE'RE READY TO GO HOME 'CAUSE IT ALREADY FEELS LIKE IT'S MIDNIGHT, BUT, UM, THE, THE TWO THINGS THAT I KIND OF WANNA GO AHEAD AND PUT IN STAFF'S MIND IN, IN Y'ALL'S MIND THAT I STILL HAVE CONCERN WITH AND, AND THEY AGREED WITH MY CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, UM, THE FIRST THING BEING IS, IS THE RETAIL PART RIGHT THERE AT 35 AND, AND BROOKSIDE, UM, AND Y'ALL ARE WELCOME TO CORRECT ME IF I'VE READ SOMETHING WRONG, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THEM, THAT'S NOT IN THEIR PURVIEW.

THEY, THEY DON'T DO COMMERCIAL STUFF.

THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING COMMERCIAL STUFF.

SO WHAT, WHAT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAPPEN IS ASSUMING THIS GETS APPROVED, UH, THEY'LL JUST SELL OUT THOSE COMMERCIAL SPOTS TO WHOMEVER THEY WANT TO DO THAT.

AND I TOLD THEM THAT NIGHT, I, OR THAT MORNING I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS BUILT UP NORTH 77 CRAZY.

AND WHEN I ASKED THE GUYS, I SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO Y'ALL, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT PUTTING, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE GOOD TO GO THERE? AND I THINK ONE OF YOU SAID A LOWE'S AND ONE OF YOU SAID AN HEB.

AND I SAID, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.

WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE.

I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE ON BOARD WITH NOTHING LIKE THAT.

I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED A BIG BOX STORE.

WE DON'T NEED A 12,000, 15,000 SQUARE FOOT STORE IN THERE.

WE NEED THINGS THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT THIS NEW 30,000 GROUP OF PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE ON THE KIND OF ON THE EAST OR THE WEST SIDE OF, UH, 35.

SO WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN THERE AND TYING UP OUR CONGESTED ROAD TO BUY A BOX OF LUMBER OR SCRUTINY ON SOME NAILS

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OR WHATEVER WE NEED.

WE NEED PLACES LIKE THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT THAT 55 COMMUNITY.

AND SOMETHING LIKE A SPROUTS, YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER PERSONALLY BEEN IN A SPROUT.

I THEY PROBABLY DON'T SELL ANYTHING THAT I WOULD EVEN EAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTO HEALTH FOOD AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND I, I RESPECT THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST BROUGHT THAT UP.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAKE IT GO IN THERE.

THAT'S NOT A HUGE STORE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE OUR, WE GOT A LITTLE HEALTH FOOD STORE UP NORTH OF TOWN AND I THINK THEY DO REAL GOOD.

THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS THAT THEY ATTRACT.

AND SO I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT A, UH, TEXAS ROADHOUSE? YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, SALT GRASS OR SOMETHING THAT WE JUST CAN'T SEEM TO CAPTURE IN THE CITY, THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SPOT BECAUSE YES, IT WOULD BRING IN TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S TRANSIENT.

IT'S, THEY COME IN AT SIX O'CLOCK AND EAT AND THEY LEAVE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM LOW'S OR HEB THAT IT'S JUST CONSTANT, YOU KNOW, FULL OF PEOPLE.

SO I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON RECORD.

AND, AND I'VE TALKED TO ZACH TODAY AND YOU KNOW, THIS GUY'S, HE, HE'S, HE'S A GOOD GUY.

I MEAN THIS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOURS HE'S PUT IN ON THIS PROJECT, BUT HE DESERVES A RAISE WHEN THIS ONE'S OVER WITH.

BUT, UH, AND I KNOW SECOND THE MOTION.

YEAH, YEAH.

ALL IN FAVOR.

BUT, UM, HE, I THINK, THINK HE KIND OF AGREES THAT THAT'S, I WOULD LIKE Y'ALL AND THE CITY COUNCIL TOO, WHEN WE GET THERE, THAT WE KIND OF GET THE BRAKES AND MAYBE PUT A LITTLE BIT OF, OF, UM, CRITERIA INTO THE WHOLE APPROVAL PROCESS.

SAY, OKAY GUYS, WE'RE GONNA HOLD YOU TO THE FIRE ON, ON WHAT, WE'RE GONNA LET YOU DO COM ON COMMERCIAL STUFF.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET, WE'RE NOT GONNA EVER APPROVE A BIG LOWE'S OR A HEB OR HEAVEN FORBID, ANOTHER WALMART OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED.

WE NEED, WE NEED SMALL RESTAURANTS OR, YOU KNOW, CHAIN RESTAURANTS.

I DON'T CARE, UH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY MEXICAN RESTAURANTS, NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY, BUT WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF THOSE IN TOWN.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY STATE PLACES.

WE DON'T HAVE SEAFOOD.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE NEW SEAFOOD PLACES, BUT WE HAVE VERY FEW STATE PLACES.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANT TO GET UP HERE TONIGHT AND I'LL HAVE A LOT MORE PROBABLY AT THE NEXT MEETING IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

BUT I, I WANTED TO LET THEM KNOW THAT I APPRECIATE THEM, YOU KNOW, OPENING THE DOOR AND LETTING US COME IN.

I'M GOOD WITH, I'M GOOD WITH MOST OF THE PROJECT.

I'M, I'M DEPENDING ON ZACH AND THOSE GUYS TO COME IN THERE AND SAY, HEY GUYS, YOU CAN'T BUILD THESE HOUSES, CRACKER JACK RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

YOU NEED SOME KIND OF SPACING.

TO ME, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S Y'ALL'S JOB TO DO.

BUT OVERALL, THE CONCEPT OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO OUT THERE, I DON'T PARTICULARLY HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.

EVERYBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT IF YOU REALLY SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND LOOK AT THE EGRESS AND REGRESS AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE ALL THAT COMING IN, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE PRETTY NICE.

UM, THERE'S GONNA BE PLENTY OF ROOM TO COME OFF AT 35 AND GET, AND THESE GUYS DIDN'T PAY ME TO SAY ALL THIS TONIGHT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

WHO PAID FOR THE COFFEE? NO, THEY DIDN'T EVEN PAY FOR, I DIDN'T DRINK COFFEE.

I DRANK, I HAD A BOTTLE OF WATER AND I HAD TO PAY FOR THAT MYSELF.

BUT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MAPS AND HOW IT'S REALLY GONNA WORK, THERE'S, THERE IS A LOT OF ROOM COMING INTO THAT, INTO THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT AND, AND HAVING THIS LARGE, WAS IT TWO MILE IS KIND OF WHERE THAT CIRCULAR THE GIST OF IT IS? SO THERE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC.

YES.

IS IT GONNA BE UNBEARABLE? MAYBE NOT.

IS IT FEASIBLE? PROBABLY.

IS IT GONNA AFFECT 8 75? I DON'T KNOW.

IS IT GONNA AFFECT 1446? I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I DO KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE COMING INTO THAT PROJECT IS GONNA COME OFF AT 35.

IT'S, I DON'T SEE THEM TRAVELING DOWN 8 75 OR 1446 TO COME BACK IN.

RIGHT.

PEOPLE GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B IN THE SHORTEST DISTANCE THEY CAN GET THERE.

SO I, I, I, I HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT A CONCERN, BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE IN NOW WILL COME OFF OF 35 AND BROOKSIDE ROAD.

SO ANYWAY, MORE AT THE LEX MEETING, I PROMISE.

BUT I JUST WANT TO GET A FEW THINGS FOR YOU GUYS TO MAYBE THINK ABOUT AND, AND, UM, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL INVITE ME BACK IN FOR SOME MORE AND MAYBE THEY'LL BUY MY COFFEE THIS TIME.

ANYWAY.

THANK Y'ALL.

HAVE MET WITH THE, UH, MENTOS GROUP JUST TODAY, HERE RECENTLY.

SO UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

THINK ABOUT BUCKY'S.

THEY GOT BARBECUE, CLEAN RESTROOM, AND CHEAP GAS .

ALL THEY'RE, ALL THEY'RE MISSING IS SPORTS AND RELIGION.

AND WE GOT ALL FIVE CATEGORIES COVERED.

THE REST OF IT COVERED.

GOOD EVENING, TERRY NAY SEVEN ON BROOKSIDE ROAD.

UM, DEAN, YES, YOU AND I ARE GETTING OLDER.

WE PROBABLY NEED A SPROUTS, REALLY, UH, .

BUT, UH, THE REASON I'M UP HERE TONIGHT IS WENDY'S.

I LOVE THEIR FROSTIES.

THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS A WENDY'S.

BUT ALL KIDDING ASIDE, UH,

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AND, AND I DO WANT TO KIND OF ECHO WHAT DEAN HAS SAID.

I, LET ME PREFACE THIS BY SAYING I DO NOT LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT THE DENSITY.

I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT MORE PEOPLE IN WALKS OF HATCHIE PERIOD.

I WANT TO RUN IT BACK ABOUT 15 YEARS, MAYBE 20.

UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, GROWTH'S COMING AND, AND WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT AND WORK WITH IT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT.

I DO WANT TO, UH, I DO WANT TO GIVE PROPS TO MENTO FOR, FOR HEARING ALL OF US, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA, NOT ALL OF US MAYBE, BUT IF THEY HAVEN'T, I WOULD ENCOURAGE 'EM TO DO THAT WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE I'VE FOUND THEM PRETTY RESPONSIVE TO ALL THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HAD.

AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT, APPRECIATE PLANNING ALSO SITTING DOWN WITH US AND TALKING TO US ABOUT OUR CONCERNS AND ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE BACK AND FORTH AS PROBABLY AS A MEDIATOR THERE IN BETWEEN.

BUT, UM, UM, I, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT MAY BECOME ACCEPTABLE FOR EVERYBODY.

AND SO, UM, I JUST DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, THAT THEY'RE TAKING THE TIME A COUPLE HOURS WITH ME TODAY ALONE.

SO IF THEY'RE DOING THAT WITH EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S, THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME AND, AND SHOWS A LOT OF GOOD FAITH ON THEIR PART AND TRYING TO, TO SATISFY OUR CONCERNS AND AT LEAST LISTEN OUR CONCERNS AND TRY TO WORK, WORK AROUND THEM OR WORK WITH THEM IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY FOR THIS EVENING.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? MIKE MOHAT.

1810 LON ELM ROAD.

SO I'M, UH, UP THE STREET OR DOWN THE STREET NEIGHBOR FROM HEATHER.

UH, I KIND OF HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE SHE BROUGHT IT UP REGARDING THE RETAIL THAT'S WAS ON AN ORIGINAL, UH, PLAN THAT MENTOS HAD, UH, AT THE END OF LONE ELM ROAD.

AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, BECAUSE SHE'S SPOKEN WITH THEM, I, IF NOT, SO I GUESS MY QUESTIONS FOR Y'ALL, IF THEY COME BACK WITH A PLAN, AS SHE SAID, WHERE THE ZONING DOES NOT INCLUDE RETAIL ALONG THAT LONE NAIL STRETCH, UH, IS IT, UH, THE, WOULD IT BE THE ZONING GROUP HERE? WHO WOULD REQUIRE OR RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE RETAIL THERE? THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.

'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO TO SPEAK TO IF IT COMES BACK WITHOUT THAT BUT THEN ENDS UP IN IT, IS THAT 'CAUSE IT'S FROM Y'ALL THAT RECOMMEND IT, WE JUST VOTE ON IT.

YEAH, YOU VOTE ON IT.

SO CITY STAFF IS THE ONE WHO RECOMMENDS IT.

SO THE STAFF OVER HERE WILL RECOMMEND IT AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH YOU, UH, LATER THIS WEEKEND.

I'VE GOT HIS NUMBER, SO, OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO FIND OUT.

SO ON THE NINTH, IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, UH, THAT THERE'S NO, UH, RETAIL IN THAT AREA, THEN Y'ALL WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT WHETHER YOU WANT OR NOT.

AND THAT'S WHEN I WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT DON'T SHOW UP ON THE NINTH.

YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY YEAH, YOU JUST MONDAY THE EIGHTH.

YES.

RIGHT THERE.

YOU ALRIGHT.

TERRY KIN SEVEN 11 BROOKS OUT AGAIN.

UH, HAVE I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE THING AND MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY.

UH, THIS MAY BE A PLANNING QUESTION ACTUALLY, BUT EVEN IN THE COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREAS OF THIS, OF THIS UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BUILD IN THAT COMMERCIAL ZONE STILL HAS TO COME TO P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THAT ZONING.

RIGHT? THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING GET TO FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT IN, IN THE PACKET HERE TONIGHT.

THAT'S NOT THE PROPOSAL IN THE PACKET, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.

SO IT'S NOT A CARTE BLANCHE.

WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONING.

ANYTHING THAT FITS COMMERCIAL CAN GO IN THERE AND CITY HAS NO, NO DECISION IN THAT PROCESS.

THAT WOULD BE STAFF'S PRIORITY, UH, IS TO GET TO THAT POINT.

UH, WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON WORKING THAT DIRECTION.

I GOT LESS THAN 15 MINUTES AND NOT EVEN A CUP OF COFFEE ANYWAY.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY TO CLAIM CLARIFY, UM, STAFF HAS NEVER PROPOSED COMMERCIAL NEAR LOAN ELM DURING THIS PROCESS.

UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.

THAT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS P WHERE ALONG LOAN ELM THERE'S EXISTING COMMERCIAL ALREADY APPROVED.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

UM, WE DO THINK, ONCE AGAIN OUR ANALYSIS WAS MORE RETAIL COMMERCIAL NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE STRATEGICALLY DONE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER PLACES.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, LOAN EL HAS NEVER BEEN PROPOSED.

COME ON KATHY.

ONE MORE TIME.

NOTHING, NOTHING MAJOR HERE AGAIN, KATHY CASE AT 4 0 5 BROOKSIDE ROAD.

I JUST WANTED TO TELL THEM I'M REALLY JEALOUS 'CAUSE I DIDN'T GET TWO HOURS OF TIME.

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AND YOU GUYS HAVE MORE MONEY I GUESS THAN I THAN THEY THINK I DO.

SURPRISE, SURPRISE.

NOT TRUE.

BUT THAT'S WHERE WE GO AGAIN.

THEY HAVE NOT MET WITH ANYBODY BUT THESE TWO THAT I KNOW OF AND NOBODY ELSE THAT I KNOW OF ON THE STREET HAS BEEN CALLED.

THEY HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER WHENEVER THEY, UH, EMORY LAKES CAME IN BECAUSE THEY CAME AND ASKED ME FOR MY PHONE NUMBER AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE'S.

AND I'M STILL UPSET FOR THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN THE TIME TO TALK TO ME BECAUSE I LIVE ON BROOKSIDE ROAD TOO.

AND OUR ROAD IS THE ONE THAT IS GONNA BE MORE AFFECTED THAN ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF US AND ONE LITTLE ROAD RIGHT HERE THAT'S EVEN HARD TO GET TWO CARS DOWN AND IT'S GONNA AFFECT US ON BOTH SIDES.

AND THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN THE TIME TO TALK TO ME.

AND I KNOW THEY DON'T WANNA TALK TO ME BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THEM AND ALL.

BUT THEY'VE TAKEN TIME TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE TO TALK TO EVERY ONE OF US.

LIKE THEY SAID THAT THEY, EMORY LAKE, EMORY LAKE PEOPLE HAD TO DO AND THEY HAVE NOT DONE IT.

AND THAT'S JUST ONE THING.

AND I WANNA THANK Y'ALL VERY, VERY MUCH FOR Y'ALL LISTENING TO ME.

'CAUSE I KNOW THE MOUTH IS HERE, HERE, SO, BUT IT'S, ANYWAY, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL BECAUSE IT'S EVERY TIME YOU GET UP LIKE, OH PLEASE KATHY.

NO .

BUT ANYWAY, THANK Y'ALL.

AND THIS WAS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.

'CAUSE I NEED, THEY NEED TO HEAR THAT FROM US.

ALL OF US HAVE NOT BEEN TALKED TO AND THEN WE'RE, WE ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS ANYBODY THERE.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'M THE ONE THAT HAS WORKED WITH CITIES BEFORE AND I AGREE WITH YOU WITH THIS.

I DON'T WANNA BE COME BACK CALIFORNIA, YOU KNOW, LOOK LIKE CALIFORNIA.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TO US.

BUT AGAIN, I'M WILLING TO LISTEN BUT I EXPECT THEM TO LISTEN TO ME TOO BECAUSE I'M HAVING TO GO AROUND EVERYTHING ELSE AND JUST LOOK AND AND RESEARCH AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND I'M NOT RIGHT.

NOT GETTING ANYTHING.

EXCUSE ME.

YEAH, , I KNOW.

I MEAN YOU'RE TALKING TO US BUT YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM.

I'M COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM.

WELL I SO THAT EQUATES TO YOU'RE WASTING OUR TIME IS WHAT THAT AMOUNTS TO.

I'M SORRY.

EXCUSE ME.

I DO APPRECIATE THE, YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS KATHY.

ALRIGHT, DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? YES.

YES SIR.

SORRY, ONE MORE QUESTION.

4 1 5 BROOKSIDE ROAD.

TONY TOVAR.

UM, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION MET MADE BY STAFF FOR THIS REQUEST AS OF THE LAST MEETING WAS DENIAL, CORRECT? CORRECT.

CORRECT.

AND OKAY, SO AS IT STANDS, HAS THAT DOCUMENT CHANGED AT ALL SINCE THESE CONTINUOUS MEETINGS? UH, THE STAFF REPORT PUBLISHED FOR THIS AGENDA STILL HAS THAT SAME RECOMMENDATION AS THE LAST MEETING? UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MINOR UPDATES THAT WERE DONE AT THE TIME OF PUBLISHING TO DETAIL WHAT HAS OCCURRED SINCE THAT ORIGINAL MEETING.

UM, BUT EVEN SINCE PUBLISHING THE STAFF REPORT, SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, REVISIONS AND UPDATES HAVE OCCURRED THAT WE COULDN'T EVEN GET INTO THE AGENDA, UH, BECAUSE OF HOW RECENTLY THEY WERE PROPOSED.

UM, ALL THAT TO SAY THE RECOMMENDATION REMAINS THE SAME AS THE LAST MEETING.

GREAT.

I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND, AND ONE LAST THING.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST THE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S OPEN ON THE DISCUSSION OF CONTINUANCE, UH, TO, TO, TO MOVE THIS TO THE, TO THE NINTH.

IS THAT RIGHT? OR THE, SORRY, MONDAY THE EIGHTH.

SO WE WILL TAKE ACTION, UM, IF, IF THE GROUP DECIDES TO DO SO, UM, TO CONTINUE IT SO WE WILL NOT ACTUALLY CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

I WILL, UM, CONSIDER OR I WILL, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE.

IT WILL REMAIN OPEN UNTIL THAT DECEMBER 8TH MEETING.

SHOULD WE VOTE FOR A CONTINUANCE? SO FOR, FORGIVE ME.

SO IF YOU DENY THE CONTINUANCE, DOES, DOES A MOVE ON A DENIAL OR APPROVAL OF THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT HAPPEN TONIGHT? I THINK SO, YEAH.

ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL KATHY, SO WE'LL WE WILL NOT CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING JUST YET.

[10. Consider recommendation of ZDC-232-2024]

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE, UH, ZDC 2 32 DASH 2024 UNTIL THE DECEMBER 8TH PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

AND, UM, THAT'S THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, SO WE'LL JUST GO DOWN REAL QUICK.

UM, TRITON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? UH, NOT TODAY.

WHAT ABOUT YOU ZACH? UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXTRA TIME.

A LITTLE EARLIER TODAY FOR THOSE THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE IMPACT FEE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

SO WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL.

SEAN.

UH, JUST ONE REMINDER THAT THAT DATE WAS THE EIGHTH, UH, WHEREAS USUALLY IT'S, IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE NINTH.

THERE WAS A, A SCHEDULING CONFLICT IN THIS ROOM.

SO AGAIN, MONDAY THE EIGHTH KNOCK, WHAT WOULD BE THE NINTH? MR. UNDERWOOD? NO, I JUST WANT TO, UH, COMMEND THE, UH, PLANNING STAFF ON ALL THEIR HARD WORK.

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GREAT JOB OR GREAT, GREAT WORK ON THIS.

IT'S, UH, IT IS COMPLEX.

IT IS GONNA AFFECT SOME PEOPLE, UM, BUT IT'S ALSO FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF PROGRESS.

UM, THERE'S NOT A STREET IN THIS TOWN THAT DIDN'T START OUT DIRT, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

AND AS TRAFFIC GREW, THE STREETS GREW SIMPLE AS THAT.

UM, AND THAT'S NOT JUST FOR THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE, THAT'S FOR DALLAS, HOUSTON, NEW YORK CITY STARTED OUT AS STREETS OF DIRT.

SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.

I WOULD ASK THAT.

UM, IT'S, UM, WELL ON THE, ON THE EIGHTH, CAN WE START AT SEVEN? IS THAT THE PROPOSED TIME? WE GOT A DATE.

DO WE HAVE A TIME? THAT, THAT IS THE TIME.

OKAY, GREAT.

I'LL BE HERE FIVE MINUTES LATE.

ALRIGHT, MR. PORTS, I JUST WANNA SAY AGAIN, I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY COMING OUT.

IT, UH, WE TAKE EVERY WORD THAT YOU SAY VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.

UM, AND THEN TO THE MENTOS GUYS, UM, JUST IF, IF YOU CAN, I KNOW YOU WILL.

YOU GUYS ARE WORKING EXTREMELY DILIGENTLY.

GET THAT TO THE CITY AS SOON AS YOU CAN.

'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE.

AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE DEADLINES.

UM, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN JUST TO MR. ROSER, I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR A LONG TIME.

I KNOW HIS FAMILY, A MAN OF INTEGRITY, SO, UH, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

I FEEL THAT WAY A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT I KNOW.

BUT, UM, WHEN SOMEBODY STANDS UP IN THE TOWN THAT, THAT YOU STAND UP FOR AND, AND DO THE THINGS THAT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY, I TAKE THAT PERSONALLY.

SO JUST WANNA SAY THAT.

THANK YOU MR. CONNOR.

JUST, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY'S ALREADY SAID, UH, APPRECIATE THE STAFF AND ALL THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN ON THIS.

UH, AND THE JUST DUE DILIGENCE IS WHAT HAVE WE GOTTA DO? SO, THANK YOU STAFF.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT SOMETIMES WE START ON THIS END.

'CAUSE TERRY ALWAYS GETS, GETS HIS SHORT INTO HIS STICK.

I I WAS JUST THINKING THAT, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO START, HE'S GOT PROFOUND STUFF IN HIM.

I KNOW, BUT IT'S ALREADY ALL THROWN OUT THERE BY THE TIME IT GETS TO YOU.

I KNOW, BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM IS IF WE START ON THAT END, WE HAVE TO START WITH MR. MAYOR.

MAYOR.