Oct 20, 2025 City Council Regular Meeting

THIS IS CERTIFIED PROCUREMENT PROFESSIONAL.

AND I WAS LOOKING IT UP JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE SHE'S BEEN HERE A LOT LONGER.

SHE'S REALLY MADE AN IMPACT ON OUR DEPARTMENT AND, UH, AND SHE'S A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH AND SHE'S REALLY COME INTO HER ROLE.

AND, UH, SO WE'RE REALLY LUCKY AND GLAD TO HAVE HER.

AND I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THESE TWO REPRESENT THE CITY VERY WELL WHEN IT COMES TO WORKING WITH THE VENDORS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, THE ONES THAT WANNA DO BUSINESS WITH US, OUR CURRENT VENDORS, UM, WORKING WITH CITIES ON INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I JUST WANNA GO ON RECORD THAT THEY HAVE BOTH PROMISED AND NEVER LEAVE EITHER.

SO, UM, SO THE FIRST AWARD THAT I'LL MENTION IS THE ACHIEVEMENT OF EXCELLENCE IN PROCUREMENT.

AND THIS IS REALLY THE HIGHEST HONOR THAT, UH, THAT AN ORGANIZATION CAN RECEIVE.

UM, AND, AND IT SAYS, QUOTE, UH, THE ORGANIZATION DEMONSTRATES EXCELLENCE AND INNOVATION, PROFESSIONALISM, PRO PRODUCTIVITY, E-PROCUREMENT, AND LEADERSHIP ATTRIBUTES OF THE PROCUREMENT ORGANIZATION.

AND THIS IS REALLY A PRESTIGIOUS, UH, AWARD.

ONLY 85 CITIES IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES AND CANADA HAVE RECEIVED THIS AWARD.

IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK TO, TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE QUALIFICATIONS.

AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE THAT.

UM, AND THE SECOND ITEM IS, UH, RECOGNIZING LELA FOR, UH, EARNING THE N-I-G-P-C-P-P CERTIFICATION.

UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE HIGHEST PROFESSIONAL AWARD THAT, THAT YOU CAN GET IN, IN, IN HER FIELD, UM, WHICH IS THE, WHICH IS PUBLIC PROCUREMENT.

AND SO OVER THE PAST YEAR, SHE HAS STUDIED VERY HARD AND TAKEN TWO, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, TESTS, VERY DIFFICULT TESTS, AND SHE'S PASSED BOTH OF THEM.

AND SO VERY, VERY PROUD OF BOTH OF THESE, THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY THESE, THESE AWARDS ARE REALLY, TRULY, UH, TANGIBLE SYMBOLS OF THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE CITY AS WELL AS THEIR PROFESSION.

AND, UH, AND I SINCERELY APPRECIATE ALL THEY DO.

SO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THEM.

DO WE WANNA GET A, A PHOTO? YEAH.

CAN WE? YEAH, SURE.

THAT'S WHY WE DID IT TOGETHER.

SO YOU, WE LIKE TAKING PICTURE A COUPLE TIMES.

GET THE BLOOD FLOWING.

WE HAVE SO MANY TALENTED PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE, UH, THAT REALLY WORK HARD TO, TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND.

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AND LIKE CHAD SAID, UM, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE, UH, IN THE, IN THE BACKFIELD, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT DEPARTMENT IS AT THE TOP AS FAR AS IMPORTANCE AND, UH, KEEPING US IN LINE, UH, FINANCIALLY.

SO, GREAT JOB.

THAT BRINGS US

[ 5. Public Comments]

TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

PERSONS MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY ISSUES.

THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY CONCERN ON THIS AGENDA, OR NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

THE COUNCIL MAY NOT COMMENT OR DELIBERATE SUCH STATEMENTS DURING THIS PERIOD, EXCEPT AS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 5 5 1 0 4 2 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.

SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE FIVE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY.

GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, MY NAME IS IRA TENPENNY.

I LIVE ON 1 0 9 ROSA STREET WAXAHATCHEE.

I WANNA TALK ABOUT SILICA THAT'S CONTAINED.

THAT'S, UH, A FINE POWDER.

UH, QUARTZ GRINDED UP TO A FINE POWDER.

IT'S MIXED UP INTO CEMENT WHERE, UH, UH, CREATES A STRENGTH FOR THE CEMENT.

AND, UH, WHENEVER THESE CONTRACTORS GO CUTTING THE STREETS OR CEMENT PARTICLES, THEY STIR UP A DUST CLOUD.

THIS DUST CLOUD CONTAINS SILICA.

SILICA IS A FINE DUST FROM QUARTZ.

THE QUARTZ OF SILICA, WHEN YOU BREATHE IT AT A FINE DUST, IT'S ACTUALLY ROCK THAT'S SETTLING INTO YOUR LUNG LUNGS.

THAT'S THE REASON IT'S HARD TO GET RID OF, IS, UH, PERMANENT.

AND, UH, ON OCTOBER THE 16TH, I EX DRIVING BY NORTH SIDE ELEMENTARY.

THE CONTRACTOR WAS CUTTING THE PLAYGROUND PART RIGHT THERE.

CHILDREN WAS OUT THERE PLAYING IN THE PLAYGROUND WITH THE DUST GOING UP IN THE AIR.

I REPORTED TO THE SCHOOL.

BUT COMING TO OCTOBER THE 20TH, TODAY, I STILL HAVEN'T GOT ANY INFORMATION, IS THE SCHOOL HAS NOTIFIED THE PARENTS OF THIS.

THE REASON OF THIS AND NOTIFYING THE PARENTS OF THEIR CHILDREN POSSIBLY BEING, UH, EXPOSED TO SILICA FROM THE CONTRACTORS, UH, IS BECAUSE IN THE IMMUNE SYSTEM, WHEN THAT ANTIBIOTIC, THAT FOREIGN OBJECT GETS INTO YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM, IT GOES AFTER IT, IT TRIES, I'M GONNA PUT IT LIKE A CHILD, IT GOES AFTER IT TO BATTLE IT.

AND WHENEVER IT LOSES THE BATTLE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LIVING ORGANISM, AND SO IT CRE IT, IT POSSIBLY CAN CREATE THE TEMPERATURE OF THE CHILD TO GO UP.

WHEN THAT TEMPERATURE GO UP, IT CAN'T DEFEAT THE, UH, THE ROCK BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LIVING ORGANISM.

SO YOUR INCUBATOR THAT YOUR BODY PUTS OFF WILL SHUT YOU DOWN.

SO I LOOK AT THE, ALSO THE ALLERGY PROBLEM.

CHILDREN WITH ALLERGIES, IT CAN AFFECT THEM, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY WORD.

IF THEY NOTIFY THE PARENTS, IT'S NOT GIVING ME A CLEAR ANSWER.

I NEED A, THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEKING FOR.

IT'S FOR THE PARENTS TO BE NOTIFIED THAT THE, SOME OF THEIR CHILDREN WAS EXPOSED ON OCTOBER THE 16TH AT 8:35 AM IN THE MORNING OF A CONTRACTOR CUTTING A CEMENT AND THE, THEY HAD RECESS.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

BRINGS US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THAT

[6. Consent Agenda ]

ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER ITEM SIX OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.

THERE WILL NOT BE SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. APPROVAL OF THE COUN CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL MATTERS NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT EACH ITEM.

ANY ITEM MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION

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AND CONSIDERATION BY ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS INCLUDES ITEM A THROUGH I, MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST, NOT ON THIS CONSENT AGENDA, BUT GOING FORWARD.

I'VE MADE IT BEFORE PREVIOUSLY, BUT DID ANYTHING OVER $500,000 NOT BE IN THE CONSENT AGENDA? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT WE WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE BUDGET PROCESS AND, AND HAVE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH SAID WE'RE GONNA ALLOCATE THE FUNDS FOR, BUT AT THOSE MEETINGS, THEY'RE NOT PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE THE, THAT THE CITIZENS CAN MAKE A COMMENT OR WHATEVER.

I DON'T EXPECT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP.

BUT I DO HAVE PEOPLE ASK ME, WELL, Y'ALL SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS ON THERE, AND THERE WAS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR ME AS A CITIZEN TO SAY A WORD ABOUT IT, AND IT'S MY TAXPAYER MONEY.

SO I JUST REQUEST ANYTHING OVER 500,000 WE PUT INTO THE REGULAR AGENDA, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

BUT WITH THAT SAID, IF NO ONE HAS ANYTHING PROBLEMS WITH THIS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AGENDA.

OKAY, SECOND.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ITEM SEVEN HERE, UPDATE OF ACTIVITIES AT SIMS LIBRARY.

THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

[7. Hear update of activities at Sims Library]

JENNIFER GRAFF, THANK YOU MAYOR, AND TO COUNCIL FOR LETTING ME COME TODAY AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED.

WE WRAPPED UP OUR YEAR IN OCTOBER, OR STARTED OUR NEW YEAR IN OCTOBER, WRAPPED IT UP IN SEPTEMBER.

SO IT'S, UH, ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO COME AND JUST BRAG ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING, UH, AT THE LIBRARY.

LET'S SEE.

ALL RIGHT.

I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON THE AGENDA AFTER ME, SO I'LL TRY TO HURRY THIS ALONG.

BUT, SO WE HAD A GREAT, GREAT YEAR.

THIS WAS, THIS WAS MY FIRST YEAR AS DIRECTOR, SO SURVIVED YEAR ONE.

AND, UH, WE TURNED 120 YEAR THIS YEAR.

SO WE HAD A BIG CELEBRATION.

WE, UH, THE PATRON SAVED 8,196,000 FROM CHECKING OUT PHYSICAL ITEMS FROM THE LIBRARY.

THAT'S NOT COUNTING COMPUTERS OR DATABASES OR ANYTHING ELECTRONIC THAT IS STRICTLY CHECKING OUT MATERIAL THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE IF THEY DIDN'T COME TO THE LIBRARY TO GET IT.

OUR WIFI USAGE WAS UP 85%.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, LAST YEAR WE WERE UP 158%.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL TRENDING, OR WE'RE HAVING MORE STUDY PATRONS COME IN, SIT, USE OUR FREE WIFI.

WE DID PURCHASE A NEW STREAMING DATABASE CANOPY.

THAT'S ONE THING THING WE'RE GONNA LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO AT HOME.

AND JUST, YOU KNOW, DVD'S KIND OF A DYING TECHNOLOGY AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THOSE TO CHECK OUT, BUT JUST MAYBE OFFERING SOME STREAMING CAPABILITIES FOR PATRONS THAT DON'T, AREN'T ABLE TO PURCHASE IT ON THEIR OWN.

OUR PROGRAM ATTENDANCE INCREASED ONCE AGAIN, 37% THIS YEAR.

SOMETHING WE'RE EXTREMELY PROUD OF.

WE WANT A 43,000, ALMOST $44,000 GRANT FROM THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES COMMISSION.

AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THAT MONEY'S GONNA BE, UH, USED, BUT WE'RE SOMETHING WE'RE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT.

UH, I HAVE TO GIVE KUDOS TO ELIAS.

HE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

USUALLY S AND SARAH ARE STANDING HERE WITH ME, BUT SARAH HAD A BIRTHDAY TODAY, SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SARAH, IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS LIVE.

AND, UH, ELIAS HAD OTHER COMMITMENTS.

SO, UH, BUT ELIAS WROTE THAT GRANT FOR US AND WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, WIN IT.

SO ANOTHER THING WE'RE SUPER PROUD OF IS WE RAISED 34,000 IN DONATIONS AND GRANTS.

THAT'S FROM, UH, BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, JUST OTHER PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO RAISE MONEY TO JUST PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING AND JUST SET THAT BAR FOR OUR LEVEL OF PROGRAMMING AND, UM, RESOURCES AT THE LIBRARY.

UH, ELLIOTS PRESENTED AT THE AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION'S ANNUAL CONFERENCE, WHICH IS A, A VERY BIG THING YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF CONTINUING ON.

UH, SOMETHING THAT IS EXTREMELY FUN.

IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE LIBRARY LATELY, UH, AT ENERGY WROTE US A GRANT AND WE RECEIVED A BOOK VENDING MACHINE SO KIDS CAN GET TOKENS.

THERE'S THESE LITTLE GOLD TOKENS, THEY CAN EARN 'EM AT THE LIBRARY.

SEVERAL WAYS WE'RE REWARDING GOOD BEHAVIOR, KIND BEHAVIOR.

THEY PICK UP AFTER THEMSELVES IF THEY'RE BEING KIND TO OTHER PEOPLE.

UH, JUST CERTAIN READING ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THEY CAN GO TO THE BOOK VENDING MACHINE, PURCHASE A BOOK, TAKE IT HOME, AND IT'S THEIRS FOREVER.

AND IT MAKES A LOUD NOISE AND GOOD JOB READING.

AND IT'S JUST, IT'S SUPER FUN.

IT LIGHTS UP.

LED LIGHTS ARE GOING AROUND IT.

UM, OUR FRIENDS OF THE SIMS LIBRARY PURCHASED THE BOOKS FOR US, SO THEY GIVE US A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO BUY THE BOOKS.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THAT FULLY

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STOCKED FOR THE KIDDOS, UH, AT THE CHAMBER AWARDS.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WERE THERE.

WE HAD A LOT OF, UH, HIGHLIGHTS AT THAT AWARD.

WE WERE NOMINATED FOR NONPROFIT OF THE YEAR.

WE HAD A LOT OF COMPETITION, BUT JUST TO BE NOMINATED WITH THOSE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WAS A, WAS AN HONOR.

UH, ELIAS WAS NOMINATED FOR YOUNG PROFESSIONAL OF THE YEAR, AND SARAH AND MYSELF WERE NOMINATED FOR THE LEADERSHIP AWARD.

UH, AND THEN ELIAS GRADUATED WITH HIS MASTER'S IN LIBRARY SCIENCE FROM SYRACUSE THIS SPRING.

SO JUST, UH, FURTHERING HIS EDUCATION.

SO SOME NUMBERS OUR VISITOR COUNT INCREASED FROM LAST YEAR.

UM, WE WERE AT 83,000 LAST YEAR.

WE WERE AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND THIS YEAR.

WE KNOW SOME OF THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW DOOR COUNTER SYSTEM THAT DOES AN OVERHEAD VIEW THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE THAN THE COMING THE LITTLE SCANNER THAT WAS COMING THROUGH.

SO I'M INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THAT NUMBER WILL PLAY OUT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

UH, THE BORROWERS ARE, THESE ARE ACTIVE LIBRARY CARD HOLDERS, SO THAT NUMBER ALSO INCREASED FROM 16,700 TO 17,100.

AND THAT'S PEOPLE THAT ARE, HAVE THEIR CARD AND ARE USING IT.

OUR CIRCULATION AND BORROWING TRENDS.

I LOVE THIS PICTURE UP HERE BECAUSE THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, 80, 90 YEARS AGO.

AND THEN HERE'S OUR KIDS TODAY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE JUST ON THE GROUND AND THEY'RE LAUGHING AND IT'S, IT'S NOT A QUIET PLACE.

I DO TELL PEOPLE THAT.

SO IF YOU COME IN THE MORNING, IT'S GONNA BE STORY TIME AND THERE'S GONNA BE KIDS YELLING AND SCREAMING AND, AND JUST HAVING A BALL.

SO THIS IS OUR CIRCULATION BREAKDOWN.

UH, ITEMS THAT ARE CHECKING OUT BOOKS ARE STILL KING.

I KNOW WHEN E-READERS CAME OUT, EVERYBODY THOUGHT EVERYTHING WOULD GO ELECTRONIC.

PEOPLE STILL LIKE TO HOLD THAT BOOK IN THEIR HANDS.

SO 70%, 76% OF THE ITEMS CHECKED OUT WERE BOOKS.

AND YOU CAN SEE AUDIO BOOKS, EBOOKS AND EAU BOOKS DID INCREASE THIS YEAR.

WE CIRCULATED 177,000 ITEMS. NOW OUR CIRCULATION WAS DOWN AND I STARTED SEEING THAT TREND A LITTLE BIT.

WE WERE DOWN 3000, 3,500 ITEMS FROM LAST YEAR.

THAT'S PHYSICAL ITEMS. I SAW THAT AROUND DECEMBER.

AND I HAD BEEN LIKE, DIALING INTO IT ALL YEAR, LIKE, WHERE ARE WE LOSING CIRCULATION? 'CAUSE OUR PROGRAMS ARE, PEOPLE WERE COMING, LIKE, WE'RE FILLING UP THE ROOMS. UH, AND THAT'S THE TIME THAT MILLIAN OPENED.

AND THEN IN US OPENED IN THE SPRING.

SO WHEN I RAN THE REPORTS FOR THE END OF THE YEAR, I WAS LIKE, I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED.

SO I TALKED ABOUT THAT NUMBER, THAT 8 MILLION, 100,000 THAT THEY SAVED LAST YEAR.

SO WHEN I, WHEN I BROKE THAT OUT, OUR RESIDENTS SAVED $6 MILLION.

SO THAT'S LIKE $1.4 MILLION AND THEY SAVED LAST YEAR.

THAT'S CITY CARD HOLDERS.

SO PEOPLE THAT PAY TAXES, THAT LITTLE BIT OF TAXES COME INTO THE LIBRARY.

OUR OUTTA CITY RESIDENTS HAD A DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT THEY SAVED.

SO IT, IT WAS THE OUTTA CITY RESIDENTS THAT WE KINDA LOST THE CIRCULATION ON.

THEY'RE STILL COMING TO THE PROGRAMS, THEY'RE STILL ENJOYING THE FREE RESOURCES.

THEY'RE JUST NOT CHECKING OUT THE BOOKS AT THE LIBRARY.

SO, UH, MOVING ON.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PROGRAMS AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

AND LIKE I SAID, OUR ATTENDANCE WAS UP.

WE WERE UP 29,700 IN PROGRAM ATTENDANCE.

THE NUMBER OF PROGRAMS. WE INCREASED THAT ONE OF OUR GOALS LAST YEAR WHEN, WHEN I SPOKE TO YOU, WE WERE GONNA DOUBLE UP OUR PROGRAMS. 'CAUSE OUR STORY TIMES, WE WERE HITTING FIRE CAPACITY.

WE COULDN'T PUT ANY MORE KIDS IN THAT ROOM.

SO WE DOUBLED UP PROGRAMS AT THE SAME TIME, DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS.

AND WE ADDED ADAPTIVE PROGRAMS FOR NEURO DVIR NEURODIVERGENT CHILDREN.

SO OUR PROGRAM NUMBERS DID INCREASE BY 1200.

OUR BOOK MOBILITY ATTENDANCE, THAT'S JUST PEOPLE COMING ONTO THE BOOKMOBILE.

THAT'S NOT A PROGRAM THAT'S JUST OUTTA PUBLIC STOP.

THEY SEE THE BOOKMOBILE, THEY COME ON CHECK OUT BOOKS.

UH, THAT INCREASED BY 58%.

SO 8,700.

AND THEN OUR BOOK MOBILE PROGRAM ATTENDANCE ALSO INCREASED BY 5,700.

AND WE GAVE OUT ABOUT A A THOUSAND MORE FREE BOOKS TO PEOPLE JUST IN THE COMMUNITY.

SOME OF OUR DIGITAL SERVICES AND ONLINE USAGE COMPUTER USE WAS DOWN LAST YEAR.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SEEING THAT WIFI TREND GO UP.

PEOPLE WERE JUST BRINGING THEIR DEVICES, BUT OUR COMPUTERS WERE UP AGAIN, 20 THIS YEAR, 22%.

THE STUDY AREA WAS DOWN 3%.

THAT'S KIND OF OUR ROOM WHERE THE MAIN DESK IS.

WE ADDED A DIFFERENT, ANOTHER STUDY OPTION JUST BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT A QUIET LIBRARY IN THE MORNING.

SO YOU CAN HEAR THAT KID'S NOISE ALL THE WAY OVER.

SO UP IF YOU GO UPSTAIRS NEXT TO LA SEEUM, THERE'S A ROOM, WE CALL IT THE LOFT.

AND WE ADDED THAT ADDITIONAL STUDY AREA, WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE A TRACKING DEVICE IN.

SO WE THINK OUR STUDY NUMBERS ARE KIND OF STILL THE SAME.

THEY WERE JUST SPREAD OUT INTO QUIETER AREAS OF THE LIBRARY.

OUR WIFI USAGE UP DATABASE USAGE WAS A LITTLE BIT DOWN.

WE DID LOSE SOME DATABASES JUST WITH THE, UH, WHAT WAS OFFERED THROUGH THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES COMMISSION AND OCLC.

UH, WEBSITE VISITS WERE UP.

FACEBOOK FOLLOWERS AND REFERENCE QUESTIONS WERE UP.

AND THAT'S WHEN

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SOMEONE COMES TO THE DESK AND ASKS US A QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO LIKE DO RESEARCH FOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UH, WE TALLY THOSE WHEN, WHEN WE GET THOSE.

SO I MENTIONED THE GRANT.

SO THESE ARE SOME EXCITING PROJECTS WE HAVE COMING TO LIBRARY THIS YEAR.

UH, THE STUDY BOOTHS DOWN THERE IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE THOSE GRANTS FOR.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN THAT NEED TELEHEALTH.

THEY NEED A QUIET, DISTRACTION FREE, UH, AREA.

UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF LAWYERS THAT COME IN THAT NEED TO DE UH, DEPOSE, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? DEPOSITION.

UH, MS. EVELYN COLEMAN, MR. JESSE GIBSON, AND MS. MARGARET MORGAN RETIRED.

DEPOSITION.

UM, AND WE HAVE JUST, WE A NEED FOR A DISTRACTION FREE AREA.

AND THAT BUILDING'S OLD.

WE'RE 120 YEARS, WE'VE BUILT AS WE'VE GONE, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT A PRIVATE QUAD AREA.

SO WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THE THAT T SLATE GRANT TO ORDER FOUR OF THESE BOOTHS.

ONE WILL BE A DA COMPLIANT WHERE A WHEELCHAIR CAN COME INTO IT, OR YOU COULD HAVE FOUR PEOPLE IN IT AS WELL.

UH, KEEP WALKS.

ACHI BEAUTIFUL CAME TO US THE IN THE SPRING WANTING TO DO A PROJECT AT THE LIBRARY.

SO THIS IS A FULLY FUNDED PROJECT THROUGH THEM, UM, A OASS POOLS AND OUTDOOR LIVING HAS DONATED ALL THE PLANTS.

AND OUR SIDE ENTRANCE IS THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA RE LANDSCAPE THAT AND MAKE IT INTO A POLLINATOR GARDEN.

SO IT'S GONNA HAVE EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT THE PLANTS ARE AND KIND OF WHAT THOSE NATIVE AND THERE'LL BE NATIVE TEXAS PLANTS.

AND THEN IN THE BACK OF THE LIBRARY, UH, IS JUST AN AREA THAT WE WANTED TO IMPROVE.

AND THANKS TO A GENEROUS ENDOWMENT, WE, UH, WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

WE'RE GONNA ADD SOME NEW LANDSCAPING.

OUR SIDEWALK WILL WRAP ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND WE WILL HAVE A NICE OUTDOOR FOUNTAIN, KIND OF MAKE IT AN INVITING SITTING AREA.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PARK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET SO PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THAT OUTDOOR SPACE AND, UH, STILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE BEAUTIFUL GROUNDS OF THE LIBRARY.

I THINK THAT'S MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, I JUST WANNA THANK THE CITY.

WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE A LIBRARY IF IT WASN'T FOR THE CITY IN 1931 AND THEN, THEN AGAIN IN 1955.

SO THAT CONTINUED SUPPORT THAT YOU OFFER US IS JUST, YOU KNOW, VERY, WE'RE VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT.

UM, I DO HAVE, UH, THAT'S NOT IN THE SLIDE.

WE DID HAVE THREE BOARD MEMBERS THAT RETIRED THIS YEAR.

SO THAT WAS 35 YEARS OF SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDED TO THE LIBRARY.

BUT WE ARE GETTING THREE WONDERFUL BOARD MEMBERS.

MS. MEGAN MILLS IS HERE WITH ME TODAY.

UH, MS. JILL WADSWORTH AND MR. J BARKSDALE WILL BE JOINING THE LIBRARY BOARD.

AND THEN ONE OF OUR NEW MEMBERS LAST YEAR IS, UH, MR. JEFF BULLOCK.

AND HE CAME TODAY, UM, JUST TO SHOW HIS SUPPORT.

SO ANYWAYS, I JUST, I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR EVERYTHING THE CITY DOES FOR US AND ALL THE PARTNERSHIPS WE HAVE.

AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WELL, WE THINK THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR LIBRARY.

THE EXPOSURE, UM, TODAY IS IMPROVED SO MUCH, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

AND I PERSONALLY THINK THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE JUST, JUST KNOCKING IT OUTTA THE BALLPARK.

SO THANK YOU.

I DO HAVE AN AMAZING TEAM AND THEY, THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND IT SHOWS.

SO I'M VERY, VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THAT SUPPORT FROM THEM.

I HAVE A, A SOMEWHAT SERIOUS QUESTION.

UM, BECAUSE THE PARK ACROSS FROM Y'ALL IS NOT WIDELY UTILIZED AT ALL.

AND I MEAN, IT'S, HONESTLY, IF IT'S ABOVE 85 DEGREES, IT'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN SAFE TO GO GO OUT THERE.

DO YOU FEEL, AND I WON'T HOLD YOU TO THIS, BUT DO YOU FEEL THAT IF WE INVESTED SOMETHING IN THERE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LIBRARY, MAYBE IT'S, IT'S IT'S MORE POLLINATOR TYPE SPACES, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD, WOULD HELP ENHANCE AND BRING VISITORS TO THE LIBRARY ITSELF? I DO.

UH, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR OUR BOARD, BUT I, UM, SOMETHING THE LIBRARIES HAS NEEDED IN THE PAST IS AN OUTDOOR PROGRAMMING AREA.

WE HAVE THE A HUNDRED YEAR OLD TREES THAT I'VE ALWAYS SCARED ARE GONNA FALL WHEN WE HAVE 400 KIDS OUTSIDE.

SO TO HAVE LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT THAT OUTDOOR SPACE, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THE CITY DECIDED TO DO, I THINK WOULD DEFINITELY DRAW PEOPLE TO THE LIBRARY.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOL TOURS AND THEY ALWAYS COME TO THE LIBRARY AND THEN THEY GO TO THE PARK AND EAT THEIR LUNCH AFTER.

UH, SO YES, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT.

AWESOME.

AND THEN JUST A CHALLENGE FOR ALL Y'ALL UP HERE.

'CAUSE TRE DIDN'T HAVE ONE.

I GOT MY CARD THIS YEAR FOR THE FIRST SINCE I WAS LIKE, LIKE 12.

GRANTED WAS THE 8-YEAR-OLD THAT MADE ME, THAT'S SAW THERE TOO.

I CAN, I CAN VOUCH FOR HIM, BUT I CHALLENGE EVERYBODY ELSE TO GET THEIR CARD TOO.

'CAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS, ALL OF Y'ALL GOT GRANDKIDS OF SOME KIND, GO GET A CARD.

I'M JUST IMPRESSED THAT IT HAS THE PICTURE OF THE LIBRARY.

OH YES.

FANCY.

WHEN, WHEN NAME ON THE BACK DOING THAT, A BARCODE ABOUT FIVE YEARS, FOUR OR

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FIVE YEARS AGO.

SEE I NEED A NEW LIBRARY CARD, .

AND IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A KID THAT GETS A CARD, THE, THE JUNGLE BOOK PAINTING THAT HAS HUNG IN THE LIBRARY SINCE 53 IS THE PICTURE ON, ON THE CHILDREN'S CARD.

SO, WOW.

MATTER MAYOR, IF I COULD, I'M THE LIAISON FOR THE LIBRARY AS YOU KNOW, AND I WANNA GIVE 'EM CREDIT BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T GIVE THEMSELVES CREDIT FOR IS SOME OF THE HARD THINGS THAT THEY DO.

LIKE THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR PASSED A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON CHILDREN'S BOOKS AND WHAT COULD BE ALLOWED, WHERE IT CAN GO, HOW YOU CAN DISPLAY IT AND ALL THAT.

AND FOR THEM TO HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND STILL BE ABLE TO OFFER EVERYTHING, BUT ALSO DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC THAT COMES IN ON A DAILY BASIS.

THEY'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THAT.

AND I ALSO WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY ON WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT THE ENDOWMENT FOR THE BACK PART.

THE BEAUTIFICATION WITH THE FOUNTAIN, THAT WAS A DEDICATED, UH, MONEY FROM BILLY MCHAM FOR HIS WIFE.

AND THE MONEY SPECIFICALLY HAD TO BE SPENT ON A FOUNTAIN.

SO IT WAS ONE OF THOSE WHERE THEY DO GET, THEY GET ENDOWMENTS AND THEY GET DONATIONS WHERE THEY SAY, WELL WE, WE WANNA DONATE THIS MONEY, BUT YOU GOTTA DO THIS .

SO I THINK THEY'RE DOING A GREAT THING OF TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND USE THAT BACK PART TO MAKE IT LOOK A LOT MORE PRESENTABLE.

THEY HAD TO BEAUTIFY.

'CAUSE IF YOU GO BACK IN NOW, IT'S AIR CONDITIONERS AND ELECTRICAL.

BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY LEXI CASTLES.

FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU AND THE STAFF DO.

I, I LIVE ON MAINE, CATTYCORNER AT HAWKINS, SO I CAN TELL THE UPTICK AND, UH, OF CARS AND PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THERE.

AND IT'S AMAZING JOB THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MENTIONED, I I FRANKLY, I THINK THAT YOU OUGHT TO, UH, BLOW YOUR HORN MORE ABOUT ALL THE PROGRAMS AND EVERYTHING.

MY WIFE TOOK THE ADULT CRAFT CLASS THIS WEEKEND.

HER AND HER FRIEND CAME BACK RAVING ABOUT IT ALREADY.

LOOKING AT THE NEXT ONE.

EXCELLENT.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU DO.

AND YOU CAN SEE, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN SEE IT FROM THE FULL PARKING LOTS AND PEOPLE.

SO GREAT JOB.

I MEAN, THIS IS A SHINING STAR OF THIS CITY.

SO THANK Y'ALL.

NOT ONLY YOU, THE STAFF, THE BOARD, THANK Y'ALL FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.

WE'LL EVEN CONGRATULATE THE LIAISON TOO.

, IF WE COULD, WE'D LIKE TO GET A PICTURE WITH YOU.

[8. Public Hearing on a request by Lexi Cassels, Kimley-Horn, for a Zoning Change from a Commercial (C) zoning district to Planned Development-Multi-Family-2 and Planned Development-Commercial (PD-MF-2 & PD-C) zoning district, for a mixed-use development, located directly east of 2050 Conquest Boulevard, (Property ID 191630 & 191636) - Owner: B&T Realty Services Inc (ZDC-91-2024)]

KIMLEY HORN FOR A ZONING CHANGE FROM A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT MULTIFAMILY TWO AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT LOCATED DIRECTLY EAST OF 2050 CONQUEST BOULEVARD, OWNER B AND T REALTY SERVICES.

THIS IS ZDC 91 20 24.

TRENTON.

UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UM, BEFORE I GET MY PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, OR THE APPLICANT IS HERE WHO IS POSSIBLY GONNA BE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE.

SO I'D LIKE TO GO AND INVITE THE APPLICANT UP IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, I'M NOT NEAR AS GOOD LUCK AT AS LEXI, BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA STAND IN FOR .

UM, UH, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR ONE MORE CONTINUANCE ON THIS PROJECT.

WE'VE HAD A FEW ALREADY.

IT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'VE HAD UNDER CONTRACT FROM B AND T REALTY SERVICES FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF NOW.

AND IT'S BEEN A KIND OF A LABOR OF LOVE.

WE'VE WORKED WITH ZACH KING AND ALL HIS STAFF OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME IN THE CITY.

AND WE WENT THROUGH ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT SUBMITTALS BEFORE WE COULD GET EVERYBODY, ALL THE STAKEHOLDER BUY-IN ON A PROJECT, WHICH WE THINK WOULD BE A, UM, POSTER CHILD OF A, OF A BUILD TO RENT COMMUNITY, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING TYPE PRODUCT.

AND SO WE'VE WORKED REAL HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS AND EVERYTHING IN PLACE TO KIND OF CREATE A BEST IN CLASS TYPE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THAT TYPE.

UM, THE THING THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO NOW IS, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY, WE DID A LOT OF WORK AND WENT THROUGH A LOT OF SUBMITTALS AND, AND THE FIRE MARSHAL HAD WEIGHED IN.

AND SO WE HAD SOME STREET GROWTH AND ALL THESE THINGS OCCUR IN THE PROJECT, WHICH HAVE NOW WE'VE REALIZED HAVE RUN OUR COST UP QUITE A BIT.

AND WE'VE BEEN DOING AN ANALYSIS ON THAT FOR ABOUT

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A MONTH AND A HALF NOW.

SO WE HAD CIVIL GO IN AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WE, WE REALLY DIDN'T GET INTO TO THE, TO DESIGN OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL WE HAVE STAKEHOLDER BUY-IN.

'CAUSE WE WERE JUST KIND OF CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY, YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER DOING REPEAT SUBMITTALS, BUT GLAD TO DO IT.

UM, GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CAPITAL INVESTED IN THIS PROJECT.

WE'RE VERY ADAMANT TO ABOUT SEEING IT THROUGH, BUT WE GOTTA FIND A SOLUTION TO SOME OF THE ECONOMIC ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACED WITH ON THIS DEAL.

AND SO WE NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, B AND T AND GO THROUGH THAT WITH THEM AND SEE WHERE WE HAVE SOME COMMON GROUND AND THEN WE WILL DETERMINE WHETHER THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE CAN, CAN DO ON BOTH SIDES TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

AND THEN WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT WITH ZACH AT THAT POINT.

AND SO WE'RE ASKING TO KIND OF HAVE A, A CONTINUANCE FOR ONE MORE TIME.

AND I THINK IT'D BE BEST TO GO TO THE NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING, WHICH WOULD GIVE US AMPLE TIME TO DO THAT IF, UH, WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK.

I'D LIKE TO FIND A DIFFERENT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND REPLICATE IT TO WHERE THE, UH, THE HORIZONTAL COSTS ARE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE FAVORABLE FOR US.

BUT I'M, I'M TRULY COMMITTED TO GETTING IT DONE.

I JUST NEED A LITTLE HELP, UH, WITH TIME.

AND SO THAT'S, UH, MY REQUEST, UM, FREE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO THE NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING.

YES, MA'AM.

COUNSEL, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UH, I, I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT IT.

IT IS JUST THAT IF, IF YOU GUYS ARE HAVING SUCH A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, YOU DON'T GIVE ME ANY CONFIDENCE THAT THIS WOULD BE THE SIXTH TIME YOU'VE ASKED FOR CONTINUANCE ON THIS.

IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU JUMPED THE GUN GOING TO PLANNING AND ZONING IN THE FIRST PLACE UNTIL YOU HAD YOUR, ALL YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW.

AND MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT WE KICK IT BACK AND YOU GO BACK THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING ONCE YOU'VE GOT WHATEVER CHANGES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING YEAH.

BEFORE IT COMES THROUGH US.

HA, HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO DO THAT.

I CAN KIND OF TRY TO EXPLAIN THE SITUATION THAT WE, WE'VE SPENT OVER $300,000 CHASING THIS PROJECT AND WE CONTINUALLY HAD THE GOALPOST MOVED ON US THROUGH THE REVIEW, UM, OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH FIRE MARSHAL AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY.

SO WE WERE CONTINUING TO REDO PLANS, REDO PLANS EVERY TIME WE DID IT WAS $20,000.

$20,000.

AND WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE SAID, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET STAKEHOLDER BUY-IN FIRST TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GO OUT AND SPEND THE ADDITIONAL CAPITAL WE NEED TO MEASURE THIS DEAL.

AND SO THAT'S THE TRAP, THE TRAP WE FELL INTO.

AND WE HAD WALK DOWN, TYPICALLY IN HINDSIGHT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.

I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IN HINDSIGHT I WOULD'VE SPENT THAT MONEY EARLIER ON 'CAUSE I WOULD'VE KNOWN THE OUTCOME BUT DIDN'T HAVE STAKEHOLDER BUY-IN TO JUSTIFY SPENDING THAT KIND OF CAPITAL THROUGH CIVIL ENGINEERING TO GET TO THE FINAL DESIGN PART OF IT.

AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CHICKEN AND THE EGG AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

WELL, GOT AN ISSUE.

YOU SAY THAT LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, EVERYBODY KEPT CHANGING THE GOALPOSTS.

ARE YOU SAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THE WAY I INTERPRETED WHAT YOU SAID IS WE KEPT CHANGING THE RULES, WHICH I DON'T, IT WAS A REASON I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT IT WAS A REASON CASE.

AND ZACH CAN, CAN FILL YOU IN, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CITY SIDE.

BUT WE START OFF IN, IN DOING A DESIGN AND WE'D GO GET COMMENTS AND THEN WE'D COME BACK AND DO THE UPDATES AND THE DESIGN, THEN WE'D GET ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT WERE FROM THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

AND SO THEN WE HAD SOME STREET WIDTH, GROVE ALLEY WIDTH GROSS.

AND WE HAD TO RECONFIGURE AND ADD SOME NEW ALLEYS FOR FIRE SERVICE.

'CAUSE THE FIRE MARSHAL WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE, THE FOUR CORNERS HOUSE.

AND I RESPECT THAT.

SO IT IS WHAT IT IS AND WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY TO GET THESE THINGS DONE.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE CALCULATED INVESTMENTS IN THIS PROCESS TO, TO GET TO SOMETHING WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT.

WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THE PROJECT WENT THROUGH P AND Z, YOU WERE HERE, I REMEMBER THAT NIGHT.

IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE PROJECT, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO DO ATTRACTIVE PROJECTS, THE COST HAVE GONE UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, MADAM MAYOR, UM, BECAUSE OF THESE CHANGES.

'CAUSE I'M COUNCIL LIAISON FOR PNZ AND I REMEMBER THE NIGHT AND PNZ WAS ASKING, I MEAN, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS AND IF, AND AND I I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN WRIGHT HERE, THAT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO GO BACK THROUGH P AND Z ESPECIALLY WITH, I MEAN THESE ARE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND JUST TO LET THEM BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON IT BECAUSE IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS WAS PROPOSED.

SO I WOULD AGREE TO GO BACK TO P AND Z ONCE Y'ALL HAVE THE CA THE BUY-IN FROM, FROM YOUR, FROM THE OWNER AND ALL OF THAT TO SAY THIS IS WHAT IT'S, YEAH.

AND, AND, AND I CAN FURTHER CLARIFY THAT.

'CAUSE IN CASE I, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO AT THIS POINT IS WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH OUR NUMBERS AND GOING THROUGH MARKET STUDIES.

WE HAD NEW MARKET SAVINGS TO CHECK THE RENT RATES TO SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW COMPRESSED WE WERE IN THE CAP RATES.

I MEAN, WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THAT OVER AND OVER.

WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT ANALYSIS FROM JOHN BURNS DONE OVER THE COURSE OF THIS PROJECT.

SO WE, WE KEEP DIGGING FOR THE DATA.

WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE PLAN YET.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET TO A MEETING PLACE WITH THE, WITH THE SELLER, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME, THEN IT'S LIKELY WE COULD COME THROUGH COUNSEL WITH THE EXISTING PLAN.

BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT YET.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SIT DOWN.

AND I'VE TOLD HIM, I SAID, LOOK, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU EVERY NUMBER I GOT.

THERE'S NO

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FLUFF IN IT.

I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, EVERYTHING LINE BY LINE BECAUSE I NEED, YOU KNOW, HE'S BOUGHT IN AND WE'RE ALL TEAMMATES IN THIS EFFORT.

AND SO IT'S JUST, I FELT IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ME TO BRING HIM IN AT THAT LEVEL AND LET HIM LOOK AT IT AND BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ON HIS SIDE.

AND THEN HE CAN DECIDE WHETHER HE WANTS TO, TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND TRY TO TRANSACT ON IT AS IT IS OR WHETHER WE NEED TO THEN WITHDRAW, COME BACK, GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION AND SIT DOWN WITH ZACH AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE REWORK THIS TO TRY TO ACHIEVE OUR COMMON GOALS.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

SO I MEAN THAT'S THE, I WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE SOMETHING SCHEDULED TO BE ON OUR AGENDA IF THERE'S STILL A CHANCE THAT THERE COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO ME IT'S, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING TO HIM, YOU'RE BETTING ON THE COME THAT HE, THAT THEY'LL GO WITH IT OR THAT YOU WON'T HAVE TO TO CHANGE THESE THINGS.

I THINK YOU, UM, THAT YOU COULD RESPECT THAT WE WOULD WANT IT OUR OUR THE PLANNING AND ZONING TO WEIGH IN ON IT EVEN IF THERE WASN'T THAT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW.

SO I HAVE HEARTBURN PUTTING IT ON AND SCHEDULING IT LATER ON IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GET THERE AND WE'RE, AND IT'S BEFORE COUNCIL AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THAT WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL MAYBE THIS SHOULD HAVE GONE BACK THROUGH P AND C.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T ASK TO COME BACK WITH, WITH THE PLAN.

MODIFIED IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD COME TO DO THROUGH COUNCIL.

I MEAN IT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE FULL BUY-IN FROM ALL THE PARTIES THAT HAVE WORKED ON IT FOR IT TO, TO BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL AS IT WAS APPROVED BY PNZ.

THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE, UH, REALLY CLEAR.

WE'RE NOT ASKING TO, TO MODIFY THE PLAN AND COME BACK THROUGH.

I UNDERSTAND.

IF WE NEED TO DO THAT AND GET TO THAT POINT, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RESUBMIT AND, AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

SO I'LL TAKE WHATEVER DIRECTION IS, IS BEST.

I THINK I'M HEARING BOTH SIDES AND I CAN CONDUCT THEM WHAT I HEAR AND I HEAR BOTH OF THEIR POINTS.

BECAUSE IF THERE WERE GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, WHICH I'M GOING TO CAUTION USING THAT TERM BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU.

NO, SIR.

IS THAT THE, THE INITIAL PLAN WILL STILL BE THE FOUR RENT HOMES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING, CORRECT? YES SIR.

SO YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE ASKING FOR THE, THE ZONING CHANGE, WHICH THE ZONING CHANGE WITH THE, WITH THE FOUR RENT HOMES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY P AND Z.

SO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN YOUR, IN, IN YOUR ESTIMATION WOULD BE MODIFYING WHERE THE ROADS, LAND, STREET LAYOUT AND HOW MANY HOMES ARE IN BETWEEN EACH ROADWAY, NOT THE ZONING CHANGE ITSELF.

ANYTHING THAT WOULD GO TO MODIFY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE AGREED TO AND THE PLAN ZONING, THE PD DOCUMENT WOULD OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO COME BACK AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SEEKING, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'VE AVOID A VERY HONEST, OPEN PERSON, TRANSPARENT.

I MEAN, THIS IS GONNA COME DOWN TO A SITUATION AND SAY, LOOK, HERE'S SOME CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN DO INTERNALLY POTENTIALLY TO SQUEEZE SOME MONEY OUTTA THIS DEAL ON OUR SIDE AND SELLER, DO YOU WANNA DO THAT AND GO FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN OR DO YOU NOT? AND THAT'S A DECISION I NEED HIM TO MAKE.

AND ONCE HE MAKES THAT DECISION THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN I UNDERSTAND WHAT I NEED TO COME BACK AND WORK WITH STAFF ON TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, I, I DO WANT TO DO A PROJECT OF THIS NATURE IN WASATCH.

I LOVE THE AREA AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT AND I THINK IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COULD LOOK AT, SAY IF WE'RE GONNA DO PROJECTS LIKE THIS, THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO 'EM BECAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE COME TO KNOW AS THE BUILD TO RENT PRODUCT THAT HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY NICE.

AND SO, OKAY, SO I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M OPEN FOR DIRECTION.

I'LL DO WHATEVER WANT DO AGAIN, I I'M JUST GONNA CAUTION, I'M TRYING TO SELL IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST TO CONTINUE THIS PRODUCT AS IT IS PRESENTED CURRENTLY.

YES, SIR.

FOR THE MOST PART.

THAT IS CORRECT TO NOVEMBER 17TH.

SO THAT YOU AND THE, AND THE SELLER CAN WORK OUT PERCENTAGES ON THAT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

CLOSING THAT DEAL, NOT ALTERING IT COMPLETELY.

AND THEN ON THE 17TH, IF YOU COME BACK, SINCE YOU ARE HERE ON, ON, ON THE 17TH, IF YOU COME BACK AND NOW WE HAVE TO CHANGE PLANS OR GO FROM BUILD TO RENT TO NOW IT'S BILL TO TO BUY AND YOU'RE SELLING SMALLER HOMES OR WHATEVER IT IS, THEN THAT IS WHEN WE WOULD START THAT CORRECT.

WE WOULD'VE TO START A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.

DOES THAT KIND OF, DOES THAT MAKE Y'ALL FEEL LIKE A LITTLE BETTER ABOUT IT? I MIGHT NOT EXPLAIN REAL WELL, BUT REALLY SCARES ME ABOUT IT IS WHEN IT KEEPS GETTING DELAYED AND IT'S, THE WAY IT WAS MENTIONED IN THESE THINGS WAS FINANCING, GET OUR FINANCING IN ORDER, GET THIS STUFF IN ORDER AND ALL THAT IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RENTAL PROPERTY AND HE, I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A PROFIT ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT IF WE'VE GOT A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD FULL OF RENT PROPERTIES AND, AND YOU GUYS ARE REALLY HAVING TO PUSH TO GET WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF IT ONCE IT'S BUILT, ARE YOU GONNA BE THERE TO MAINTAIN IT? I'M ASSUMING THAT PART OF FULL OF RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT AREN'T TAKEN CARE OF, THAT LOOK LIKE CRAP ON A ASSUMING MAJOR HIGHWAY.

I ASSUMING PART OF THIS THOUGH IS THAT YOU'RE GONNA PURCHASE AND THE SELLER WILL MAINTAIN SOME SORT OF INTEREST OVER X NUMBER

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OF YEARS.

NO, WE WOULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ON THE TABLE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY WOULD CHOOSE TO DO.

BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL OF DISCUSSION YET.

THOSE THINGS DO HAPPEN IN REAL ESTATE TRAINING, BUT THAT'S NOT THE DEAL TODAY.

I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BUILD A A, A VERY NICE PRODUCT IN, IN A, IN A, I'M NOT RENT SENSITIVE MARKET.

I'M YOUR PRODUCT ISN'T WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.

THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, ABOUT THE MANAGER, YOU BEING ABLE TO CLOSE THE DEAL.

SO IS IT, WE'RE WE'RE CLOSING THE PURCHASE OF IT? YEAH.

WE, WE AS A COMPANY ARE, ARE FOUR 4.8 BILLION IN ASSETS UNDER MANAGEMENT.

SO WE HAVE TO DATE ABOUT 15,000 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.

WE OWN SEVEN HOTELS ON BEACHES IN FLORIDA.

I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A A A, IT'S NOT A FINANCING ISSUE.

IT'S A MARKET ISSUE.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT COMES DOWN TO WE, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO PUT OUR NAME ON SOMETHING THAT'S NICER THAN A TYPICAL BUILD TO RENT THAT YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT IN THE MARKETPLACE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE IN TIME HAVE HAD BAD, YOU KNOW, UM, PERCEPTION OF WE'RE NOT THAT.

UH, WE HAVE OUR INTERNAL INTERNAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

WE MANAGE NOT ONLY OUR, OUR UNITS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEST IN CLASS AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE ABOUT 4,000 OTHER UNITS THAT WE MANAGE FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY GOOD AT WHAT WE DO.

BUT IN THIS MARKET, YOU KNOW, CAP RATE'S GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTIVE TO INVESTORS AND RETURN'S GOTTA BE INVESTORS.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S AT A 9% IRR, WHICH IS TOUGH.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF DEAL.

SO WE GOTTA FIND SOME COMMON GROUND WITHIN OUR OWN TEAM TO TRY TO MAKE THIS DEAL WORK.

AND, AND, AND I'M VERY, UM, EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.

I LOVE THIS PROJECT.

IT'S JUST WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF WE'RE, MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT, UM, GETTING OVER OUR EXCUSES AND BE SMART ENOUGH TO ASK ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AS TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE DONE OUR, OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND TRIED EVERYTHING WE KNOW TO TRY TO DO THIS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

AND WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED AND WE GOT 120% IN IT AND NOTHING WORKED.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'VE TRIED AND, AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO THAT LEVEL OF, UM, COMMITMENT TO THIS DEAL TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME THAT STAFF'S PUT IN IT, ALL THE TIME WE PUT IT IS NOT JUST KIND OF LOOKED OVER BECAUSE IT'S THE EASIEST THING TO DO AT THIS POINT AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I, BUT AGAIN, I MEAN I, I'M, I'M, I'M HERE TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF IF THEY WOULD WEIGH IN ON THIS.

IF, IF Y'ALL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CONTINUING THIS, UH, DO YOU OR DO YOU RECOMMEND THAT IT GO BACK TO PNZ? WOULD Y'ALL PLEASE WEIGH IN ON IT? YEAH, I MEAN, UH, TYPICALLY WE DON'T HAVE, UH, THAT GO ON THIS LONG.

I KNOW THERE'S VARIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES OF WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING CONTINUANCE.

IF THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF CHANGE, I, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO GO BACK TO PLAYING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW.

UM, ONE MORE MEETING.

I, I DON'T, GOING TO THE NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A BIG ISSUE BEING CONTINUED.

THERE'S NO CHANGES.

I'VE TAKEN ALL THESE PLANS AND TAKEN EVERY ROOM AND PUT FURNITURE IN 'EM TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ACTUALLY LIVABLE FOR PEOPLE.

UM, SO I, I'M JUST GONNA BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN UPFRONT WITH US.

UM, AND I DON'T TAKE THIS AS, DON'T TAKE THIS AS ANYTHING PERSONAL.

OBJECTION, DON.

I HATE IT.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

I HATE IT.

UM, I DON'T LIKE THE BUILD TO RENT.

UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE WE GOT BURNED ON ONE ALREADY.

UM, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CHEAP.

UM, THEY TRIED TO NOT INSTALL A SIDEWALK.

I MEAN THEY, THEY TRIED EVERYTHING THEY COULD.

THE, UH, TWO CAR PARKING GARAGES, UM, ARE AN ABSOLUTE JOKE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD FIT TWO TOYOTA COROLLAS IN THERE IF YOU PARKED THEM IN BEHIND EACH OTHER.

UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT, I I DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT.

I WOULD RATHER IT BE HOMES FOR SALE FOR 200 GRAND, UM, THAN BE BUILD TO RENT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE RENTAL PART OF IT.

SO IN SAYING THAT, I'M NOT UNREASONABLE IN THE FACT THAT THIS IS A LARGE TRACT OF LAND.

UM, IF THERE WAS AN APARTMENT COMPONENT TO IT THAT YOU COULD BUILD, AND I'VE BEEN ON RECORD WITH THIS TOO.

I DON'T CARE IF WE GO SIX STORIES HIGH.

I MEAN IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME AT ALL AS LONG AS IT'S NOT NEAR OUR DOWNTOWN.

SO IF THERE'S A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, BUT YOU COULD GO HIGHER AND DO SOME KIND OF APARTMENT OR HOTEL CONCEPT AND THEN DO HOMES FOR SALE THAT ARE MORE INEXPENSIVE HOMES AND YOU SPRINKLE IN SOME BUILD TO RENT, I COULD, I COULD GET BEHIND THAT, THIS CONCEPT AS AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF BILL DURANT.

I'M OUT COMPLETELY OUT SO FAR OUT THAT I'LL NEVER BE IN, WELL, I'D LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TELL YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE DIFFERENT AT SOME POINT, MAYBE OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT, LIKE I'VE SIZED ALL THESE GARAGES FOR F-150 TRUCKS TO FIT IN WITH ANY STEPS IN THE GARAGE BEING TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TOO.

BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY ABOUT DOING A BETTER JOB.

I MEAN, PEOPLE IN TODAY'S WORLD ARE CHASING AFFORDABILITY AND IT'S JUST NOT THERE FOR 'EM.

AND SO PEOPLE NEED TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND OUR PROBLEM AS A COUNTRY IS WE'RE GETTING SO DETACHED FROM THAT.

WE'RE PUSHING PEOPLE INTO RENTALS, WHICH IS NOT A GREAT THING AS A COUNTRY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE GOTTA FIT THAT NEED.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THEN PRICES ARE GOING TO GO DOWN LINE FOR EVERYBODY MORE SO THAN THEY HAVE TODAY.

BUT I'M THINKING I'VE,

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BECAUSE IF YOU GO INTO MOST BTR MODELS, YOU'LL GO INTO MODEL AND THEY'LL HAVE A BATHROOM DOOR OFF A, A TOILET ROOM.

THE REASON IS THEY'RE SHOWING THAT WAY.

'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU GO EXACTLY.

WE WE'RE NOT DOING, WE'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT ANY OF THIS IS, IS IN OUR, OUR, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DIFFERENT AND THAT'S WHY OUR COSTS ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TOO.

WE GOT A BETTER PRODUCT AND IT'S, IT'S GOT BROKEN ROOF LINES WE SUBMIT TO RENDERINGS.

I MEAN, IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE PRODUCT.

AND SO I DON'T WANNA PUT OUR NAME, MY NAME ON ANYTHING, UH, LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TRY TO BRING THAT TO COMMUNITY TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO MOVE THROUGH THE SEASONS OF THEIR LIFE.

AND SO, UH, LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY HAVE TIME TO JUST KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH EVERYTHING.

'CAUSE BECAUSE I I I, I'VE SEEN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND I DON'T LIKE IT EITHER.

I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE, IN, IN OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT STAGE, UM, WE ARE QUICKLY BECOMING OVER SATURATED WITH RENTALS.

UM, AND RENTALS DON'T TYPICALLY BUY INTO THE COMMUNITY.

UM, BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY AREN'T PLANTED.

UM, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF JUST THE APARTMENTS, BUT THERE ARE OLDER HOMES THAT WERE SMALLER THAT FOLKS BOUGHT FOR 175 GRAND, 200 GRAND, OR THEY BOUGHT FOR 1 25 AND THEY DID LIKE THE REHAB ON 'EM AND NOW THEY ARE RENTALS.

UM, THAT'S NOT BENEFICIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY 'CAUSE WE NEED COMMUNITY BUY-IN AND YOU GET BUY-IN BY HAVING HOMEOWNERS.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT IF THAT, IF YOU COME BACK WITH A STRICTLY RENTAL PLAN NEXT TO A HIGH SCHOOL, NEXT TO APARTMENTS, BEHIND FUTURE APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM FUTURE, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET IN ON IT WHEN THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S ZONED COMMERCIALLY FOR A REASON.

AND WE'RE GONNA NEED COMMERCIAL AT SOME POINT IN THAT AREA.

DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS AROUND A HIGH SCHOOL AND IF WE KEEP SELLING IT ALL OFF TO RENTAL SPACE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP COMMERCIALLY OR ALL ALONG WHERE ALL OF THE HOUSING IS AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA KEEP YELLING AT US.

'CAUSE WE, BECAUSE STORES KEEP BUILDING ON 77, SO WE'VE GOTTA KEEP COMMERCIAL SPACE WHERE THERE'S DENSITY AND THE DENSITY'S COMING IN THIS AREA.

WE CAN'T SACRIFICE ALL OF IT FOR MORE RENTAL UNDER.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND, AND THAT'S ONE THING JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DID ALSO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IS WE HAD JOHN, YEAH, EVERYBODY'S HEARD OF JOHN BURNS, WHICH IS A, AN ANALYST THERE, ONE OF THE FOREMOST MARKETING RESEARCH COMPANIES IN THE NATION.

WE HAD THEM DO A STUDY ON ACTUALLY WHAT THE POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL IS OVER THE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS IN THAT AREA.

AND THAT CAME UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND THAT'S WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH LIKE SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.

AND SO THE IDEA WAS JUST TO ACTIVATE ALL THIS SPACE IN, IN CONNECTION, CONNECT THEM TO ONE A SAYS WALKABILITY, AND THERE'S ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GO INTO A RETAIL CENTER SHOP AND CREATE, CREATE LIKE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO ALL THOSE AREAS AND, AND KIND OF ACTIVATE THAT WHOLE AREA TODAY.

I MEAN, UNDERSTAND THE COMMERCIAL CONCEPT, IT IS A BIG TRACK FOR THAT AND MID-BLOCK THERE.

I THINK IT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGING TO GET THOSE USES BUILT OUT ON FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF SEE IT BOTH WAYS AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT I MEAN, IT'S TODAY, I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU CAN ACTIVATE SOME COMMERCIAL AND SOME RESIDENTIAL AND, AND IN AN AREA LIKE THAT, THEN YOU PROBABLY ARE GETTING THE BEST USE OF THAT PROPERTY IN TODAY'S WORLD.

YEAH, BUT I'M NOT SHOOTING FOR WALKABLE COMMERCIAL.

I'M NOT TALKING A COFFEE SHOP IN A LAUNDROMAT.

WE'VE GOT, I BELIEVE IT'S 1100 HOMES THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT WERE APPROVED TO BUILD ACROSS THE HIGHWAY.

UM, THERE'S A LARGE TRACT OF LAND THAT, IT'S SEVERAL, IT'S OVER A THOUSAND ACRES, UM, ON O VILLA ROAD.

THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO GO THE MUD ROUTE OR THEY'RE GONNA COME THROUGH THROUGH US.

SO THERE'S AGAIN, HUNDREDS AND WELL PROBABLY 3000 HOMES THERE OF VILLA ROAD IS BEING WIDENED TO SIX LANES.

WE'RE TALKING COMMERCIAL IN THE SENSE OF THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING OFF THE HIGHWAY AT THIS POINT.

THERE ARE TOO MANY ACCESS POINTS RIGHT HERE FOR THIS TO BE APARTMENTS.

WELL THAT'S WHY IT'S ZONED COMMERCIALLY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

'CAUSE THIS IS AN ACCESS POINT THAT HAS MULTIPLE CONVENIENT HERE PRETTY SOON.

STREET LIGHT AND STOPLIGHT CONTROLLED ACCESS POINTS.

AND THAT'S JUST THE WORLD WE ARE IN TODAY.

SO TO JUST FOREGO ALL OF THAT AND JUST SLAP IN MORE RENTAL, I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY, I I DON'T FIT.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND, I CAN NEVER SAY NEVER APPRECIATE APPRECI, BUT I DON'T, I I COULD GET BEHIND IT.

YEAH, NO, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE LIVE IN AMERICA.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO, TO VOICE THEIR OPINION.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE WE ALL END UP IN A COMMON PLACE.

AND, AND THAT'S WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO HERE TO TRY TO WORK WITH YOU.

I MEAN WE, UH, THROUGH P AND ZI, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT, THEY ASKED ME A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK EVERYBODY LIKED THE PLAN A LOT.

YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR TAKEAWAY, THEY, THEY SUPPORT IT UNANIMOUSLY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY SAW THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO.

AND, AND I THINK THESE, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IN, IN OUR COMMUNITIES TODAY, YOU GOT A LOT OF MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRANSIENT.

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AND SO HOW DO WE DO A GOOD JOB OF, IN OUR, IN OUR BUSINESS BEING STEWARDS, HOW DO WE DO A GOOD JOB OF DEALING WITH THAT POPULATION.

WELL, WHAT WE DO IS WE TRY TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GO SOMEWHERE AND LIVE, WORK AND BECOME GROUNDED AND, AND HAVE SOMETHING THEY CAN AFFORD.

SO THEY CAN THEN MOVE INTO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CALL HOME.

BUT WE, WE JUST GOTTA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SUCH A DA DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOME OWNERSHIP AND WHERE PEOPLE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET INTO HOUSES TODAY AND MORTGAGES.

WE NEED THOSE RATES TO CORRECT.

SO THERE COULD BE MORE PEOPLE BUYING HOMES TODAY AND TRY TO MOVE SOME OF THAT RENTAL POPULATION THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

DO DO YOU HAVE ANY SUCCESSFUL MODELS OF THIS THAT YOU'VE DONE ANYWHERE AROUND HERE? THAT WE COULD, IF WE WANTED TO, ONE OF US DRIVE OVER AND CHECK IT OUT, AND WE'RE DOING, WE'RE GETTING READY TO START ONE IN ROYCE CITY.

UH, THE SAME TYPE ARCHITECTURE.

WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WITH ROYCE CITY FOR OVER A YEAR, BUT THERE ARE NONE CURRENTLY.

NOT, NOT IN DALLAS OPEN AND OPERATING THAT, NOT, NOT YET.

SO WE COULD SEE, OH, IT'S A SUCCESS OR IT'S A FAILURE, OR IT'S, WE COULD WALK YOU THROUGH ALL THE AR I MEAN, WE COULD SHOW YOU A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE.

UH, WE JUST CAME OFF A BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION CYCLE.

WELL, I'M TALKING THIS SPECIFIC, THIS SPECIFIC MODEL.

THIS IS ALL JUST SOMETHING I JUST DESIGNED KNOWING THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THE, THE, THE BTR STUFF THAT'S OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW AND TRYING TO LOOK AT ALL THE PROBLEMS IN 'EM.

AND THE MARKET AS A WHOLE, IN MY OPINION, IS LOOKING TO FIND A BETTER PRODUCT IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO INTO THOSE, BEING A BUILDER AND YOU GO INTO THOSE PLACES, YOU START TO SEE THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOW DRESSING THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE WHEN THEY GO INTO MODEL AND THEY RENT AND THEY DON'T STAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A COMFORTABLE LIFE.

AND SO WHEN I WENT INTO DESIGN ON THIS, I STARTED ADDRESSING THOSE PROBLEMS FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, JUST BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE IN AND, AND SPEND THEIR HARD MONEY AND RETAIN THEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'RE HAPPY AND COMFORTABLE TO LIVE IN.

AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH IN THE DESIGN OF ALL THIS PROGRAM.

AND THEN WE WANT TO NOW TAKE IT AND BUILD IT IN A LARGE WAY.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE END USER AND HOW THEY LIVE AND TRY TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING.

THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF VALUE FOR THEIR MONEY.

SO THERE, THERE'S A, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT IF IT WASN'T THIS SPACE OR THIS TRACT THAT YOU MIGHT BE OPEN TO A DIFFERENT TRACT.

IF YOU COULD JUST COPY AND PASTE THIS, UM, I WOULD, REGARDLESS OF HOW OF WHAT DECISIONS MADE UP HERE, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO STICK AROUND FOR, UM, AN ITEM ON THIS AGENDA THAT'S 69 ACRES AND NOT YOUR 41 ACRES.

THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY IF, IF, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW THE COUNCIL WILL VOTE THERE, BUT, UM, COULD BE A COPY AND PASTE OPPORTUNITY THAT WOULD NOT PREVENT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ENERGY AND A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THIS, INTO THIS.

WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF FOR A LONG TIME ON THIS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE ENJOY WORKING WITH THEM AND THEY'VE BEEN MOST KIND AND, AND HELPFUL THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET TO A POINT TO WHERE YOU'VE COLLABORATED WITH SOMEBODY TO THE DEGREE WE HAVE AND, AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE, THAT'S A GOOD FEELING.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FINISH.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M, I'M HERE FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY TO ASK ME QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION AND HELP IN THIS AND, AND I'M, YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY, WHATEVER Y'ALL DECIDE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO TRY TO WORK WITH YOU, UH, NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.

AND SO, UM, BUT IF I COULD, IF I COULD GET THROUGH THIS, THEN I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE, WE WILL HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO TRY TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, WORK AND, AND I THINK ALL THE WORK THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF AND I HAVE PUT INTO OUR TEAMS, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST WANNA SEE IT THROUGH.

AND I, I JUST WANNA REITERATE, AND YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER ABOUT P AND Z.

THEY HAD YOU UP HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

THEY DID.

AND WERE ASKING THE QUESTIONS ABOUT LIVABILITY AND ROADS AND, AND ALL OF THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ASKED YOU ABOUT THE GARAGE.

I'D ALREADY HEARD ABOUT THAT ONE 50.

THEY MEASURED THAT OUT.

IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

AND, UM, MY TAKE ON IT IS, IS THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING, NOT SIG NOT SIGNIFICANT, BUT IF ANYTHING THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT THEY ASKED YOU ABOUT IS CHANGED BECAUSE OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND YOUR ULTIMATE TRANSACTION WITH THE, WITH THE OTHER PARTY ON THE BUY-IN AND RESPECT FOR THOSE MEMBERS OF P AND Z THAT TOOK THE TIME TO, TO UNDERSTAND THIS AND ASK THE QUESTIONS AND ALL THE TIME THAT YOU PUT IN LOT TIME.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT BECAUSE THEY ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A MATERIAL CHANGE, NOT A WHOLESALE CHANGE, BUT A MATERIAL CHANGE, I THINK WE OWE IT IN TO, TO TAKE IT BACK TO P AND Z, I DON'T WANNA SLOW YOU UP.

A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE.

UM, I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING I WOULD PREFER NOT TO PUSH IT OFF.

LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE IT TO LOOK AT P AND Z AND GET THIS PROCESS GOING SO IT CAN ULTIMATELY GET TO US.

SO THEN

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WE CAN, WE CAN SEE IT.

I MEAN, WHAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT.

SURE.

SO PAT, 'CAUSE I DON'T DISAGREE AT ALL.

UM, INSTEAD OF WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT I DON'T PERSONALLY WANT TO DO IS SOMEBODY THAT'S PUT IN THE EFFORT AND IS HERE IS TO DENY A CONTINUANCE.

HAVE THE PROCESS START ALL THE WAY OVER.

CAN WE NOT SEND THIS BACK TO P AND Z WITH A VOTE NOW, TERRY? UH, WITH A VOTE? A VOTE? YOU MEAN A DENIAL OR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF WHAT'S PRESENTED TODAY? CAN'T WE JUST SEND THIS BACK TO PNZ? YOU CAN SEND IT BACK TO PNZ, YOU CAN REMAND IT BACK TO PNZ AND THAT WILL TRIGGER NOTICE THE NOTICE PROCESS AGAIN IF IT GOES BACK TO PNZ.

BUT, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I WASN'T GONNA DENY IT OR ANYTHING.

I, I WANNA SEND IT BACK THERE.

SO, AND AS I SAID, TO GET THIS PROCESS GOING AND AT THE SAME TIME YOU CAN JUMP THROUGH THE HOOPS THAT YOU NEED TO JUMP THROUGH TO GO THROUGH THAT AND GET BACK TO HERE.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, BUT AT LEAST I DON'T WANNA DO A DENIAL.

YOU WANNA DO A REMAND? YEAH.

THE ONLY THING I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT IN THAT IS IF, IF, YOU KNOW, WE WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE NOTHING DID CHANGE OFF THIS PLAN AS A RESULT OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE SELLER, THEN WOULD THEY JUST NOT BE REVIEWING THE SAME THING THAT THEY'VE ALREADY REVIEWED? THE THE SITE PLAN, EVEN IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW, IS THE SITE PLAN THAT P AND Z REVIEWED AND AND APPROVED ON THAT.

SO RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW FOR P AND Z TO REVIEW, BUT WE'RE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME NOT KNOWING IF THERE'S ANYTHING WELL, WE WOULD, IF THERE IS.

SO WE, WE GET UP TO, TO IN MID-NOVEMBER AND SOMETHING'S CHANGED AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO P AND Z AND THEN THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, SAYING IS WE, IF THERE WAS, WE WOULD JUST PULL IT.

I MEAN, WE WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT GOING TO ASK TO WASTE ANYBODY'S TIME HERE BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON AND BE A HUNDRED PERCENT TRANSPARENT AND LET YOU ASK ME ALL THE QUESTIONS.

'CAUSE I MEAN, I THINK HONESTY'S THE BEST POLICY AND WE'VE DONE THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH WITH STAFF AND WE WILL ALWAYS DO THAT IN ANYTHING WE DO.

AND SO, UM, I JUST, I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN CONTINUED, I WANTED TO COME MYSELF BECAUSE THE ENGINEERS HAVE COME IN AND THEY, YOU KNOW, JUST GO THROUGH THIS MOTION.

BUT I, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT I'M, WHAT I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH.

YOU KNOW, I'M VERY COMMITTED TO IT AND I GOT A TON OF ENERGY AND TIME IN IT.

WHEN WE GO THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS LIKE WE DID AT P AND Z, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I'M TAKING THE TIME TO TRY TO SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT.

AND SO THIS IS ALL MEANINGFUL TO ME.

UM, AND SO I, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A PLACE TO DO THINGS CORRECTLY IN ALL MARKETS.

AND I THINK THAT SOMEBODY JUST HAS TO STEP UP AND HAVE THE DESIRE AND THE DRIVE AND DETERMINATION TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

AND I THINK WHEN A LOT I'VE SEEN IN MY LIFE IS WHEN YOU DO THAT, GOOD THINGS HAPPEN.

AND, AND THAT'S WHY, WELL, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU SHOWED UP THIS TIME.

'CAUSE THE LAST TIMES IT'S JUST GOTTEN CONTINUED.

IT'S JUST GOTTEN CONTINUED.

AND HONESTLY, IF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN UP, I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU WE WOULD'VE JUST VOTED TO KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT I HAD ACTUAL QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT KEPT GETTING PUT OFF.

YES, SIR.

YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S JUST A SCARY SIGN WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING GETTING KICKED FIVE, SIX TIMES, I UNDERSTAND SOMETHING'S, SOMETHING'S WRONG.

AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK YOU THE QUESTIONS AND ALL THAT.

IT'S, NOBODY HERE WANTS TO KILL YOUR PROJECT TONIGHT.

I'M, I'M JUST A LITTLE HARDHEADED SOMETIMES, .

I DO APPRECIATE YOU SHOWING UP AND, AND, AND LISTENING TO US.

YOU KNOW, I, I GET, I GET, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT I DO AND WHEN I SEE SOMETHING, I, I'M ALWAYS WANNA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK.

AND WHEN I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC, THEN THAT JUST MAKES ME THAT MUCH MORE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

AND SO I, I JUST FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M ASKING, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR YOUR HELP ON THIS AND, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION A HUNDRED PERCENT.

UH, IT'S NOT EASY IS EASY.

EVERYBODY BE DOING IT AND UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING IT SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.

AND UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD, IF IF WE GET INTO A PLACE NOW IN THIS DEAL TO WHERE WE CAN'T SEE THAT WE CAN GET THAT EXACT PROJECT AS IT WAS APPROVED BY P AND Z DONE, THEN YOU KNOW, WE'RE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND YOU'RE GONNA BE THE FIRST ONES TO KNOW.

I PROMISE YOU THAT.

IF, IF I COULD, UM, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU GUYS BE OKAY WITH IF WE JUST MADE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE AND, AND AS HE SAYS ON NOVEMBER 17TH, IF, IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN HE STARTS OVER YOU.

YOU GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY.

MATTER.

MAYOR, IF YOU'RE, I NEED TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.

I'M READY FOR A MOTION WHEN YOU ARE.

UH, IF YOU WOULD.

YES MA'AM.

DO I NEED TO SIT DOWN? YEAH, IF YOU WOULD.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM FOR OR AGAINST BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN.

AND THAT MOVES US TO

[9. Consider proposed ordinance approving ZDC-91-2024 ]

ITEM NINE.

COUNSEL, DO Y'ALL HAVE A ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT A MOTION?

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SO I'M I MOVE TO CONTINUE, UH, ZDC 91 DASH 2024 UNTIL THE NOVEMBER 17TH COUNCIL MEETING.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER

[11. Public Hearing on a request by Marisa Brewer, McAdams, for a Zoning Change from a Planned Development – Commercial (PD-5-C) zoning district to Planned Development Multi-Family-1 (PD-MF-1) zoning district located at 501 Houston Street (Property ID 189345 – Owner(s): Skanda Investments, LLC and Masina Investments, LLC (ZDC-174 2024) ]

11.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR REQUEST BY MARISSA BREWER MCADAMS FOR A ZONING CHANGE FROM A PLAN DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL PD FIVE C ZONING DISTRICT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT MULTIFAMILY.

ONE ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 5 0 1 HOUSTON STREET.

OWNER SCANA INVESTMENTS, LLC AND MESSINA INVESTMENTS ZDC 1 7 4 20 24.

TRENTON, THANK YOU.

UH, THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM THE SEC, UH, SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

UM, INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PRESENTATION ALL OVER AGAIN, I WANNA POINT OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE CHANGED FROM THE LAST, UH, TIME YOU MET WITH THEM TO NOW THEY DID DECREASE THE OVERALL, UM, ACREAGE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT A A DUMPSTER.

UM, SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL CHANGES WERE TO THE ROOM COUNTS.

SO THE TOTAL, UH, DUALING UNITS PREVIOUS WAS 60.

THEY CHANGED IT TO 59, CHANGING THE OVERALL DENSITY FROM UH, 10.18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TO 10.05.

UM, THE MAJOR CHANGE WAS TO THE ONE BEDROOM.

UH, UNITS WENT FROM 16 DOWN TO 15.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, THEY DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.

THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES SUCH AS THE, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THEY DID THAT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.

UM, DID UH, PROVIDE A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN SHOWING THAT, UM, TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT COUNSEL HAD, UH, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

AND I'LL LIKE TURN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME.

OKAY, THANK YOU TRENTON.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

GOOD EVENING.

GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

MY NAME IS MARISSA BREWER.

I'M LOCATED AT 4 4 0 0 STATE HIGHWAY 1 21, LEWISVILLE, TEXAS.

OF STATUS OF WHAT ALREADY IS THERE EXISTING AND KIND OF CONTINUING THAT THROUGH THE PHASE TWO.

UM, I'M WITH MCADAMS AND THEN I ALSO HAVE HERE BEN WITH RIGHT GROUP ARCHITECTS, BEN FORD, RIGHT GROUP ARCHITECTS, 1430 SOUTH BROADWAY, UH, CARLTON.

THANK YOU, UM, FOR ALLOWING US TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU AND PRESENT KIND OF SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE UM, ADDRESSED.

UM, SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THESE KIND OF FAST.

UM, FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON A CERTAIN SIDE.

BUT, UM, TOUCHING ON KIND OF THE OVERALL SITE PLAN CHANGE, AS TR MENTIONED, UM, WE DID GO AHEAD AND UM, PREVIOUSLY THROUGH DISCUSSION THERE WAS SOME CURRENT CONCERNS REGARDING THE REMOVING THE PARKING FOR THE NORTHERN LOT.

UM, THERE WERE DUMPSTERS LOCATED IN THAT NORTHERN LOT AND SO WE WENT AHEAD AND IDENTIFIED A DESIGNATED AREA FOR THOSE DUMPSTERS FOR THE UM, NORTHERN LOT IN THAT TOP RIGHT UM, CORNER.

AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE A MISSIONARY WALL AROUND IT SO THAT, UM, PROVIDING THAT DUMPSTER WENT AHEAD AND REMOVED ONE UNIT FOR UM, THE OVERALL UNIT COUNT TO BE 59.

WE ALSO HAVE BROKEN UP THE AMOUNT OF EIGHT UNIT BUILDINGS, SO IT WENT FROM FOUR TO TWO.

SO WE TRIED TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, NUMBER OF EIGHT UNIT, UM, BUILDINGS IN A ROW, AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP AND AT THE BOTTOM.

THOSE ARE WHERE THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.

UM, JUST TOUCHING ON THE NORTHERN LOT REAL QUICK, TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING, THOSE ARE THE IDENTIFIED AREAS OF WHERE, UM, THOSE PARKING SPOTS WOULD BE REMOVED.

AND THEN THE LOCATION OF THE NEW DUMPSTER FOR THE UM, NORTHERN LOT.

AND THEN THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ALTOGETHER.

UM, SO FOR THE ELEVATIONS, WE PREVIOUSLY WERE ONLY PROPOSING ONE ELEVATION TYPE FOR THE UNIT FOUR.

UM, THAT WAS THE UNIT TYPE A.

WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT TWO ADDITIONAL UNIT TYPES FOR UM, THE FOUR UNITS.

SO THAT WAY WE COULD BREAK UP THAT VARIATION IN THE FACADE.

UM, WE LOOKED AT MIXING DIFFERENT COLORS AND STONES TOGETHER, SO NOW THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, THAT OFFER THAT KIND OF VARIATION WHEN THEY'RE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

UM, BUT STILL OFFERING KIND OF THE SIMILAR LOOK THAT BLENDS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE, UM, CURRENT RESIDENTS OF THE HERITAGE SQUARE, UM, PHASE ONE.

AND OVERALL WE RECEIVED UM, UH, PRETTY SATISFACTORY UM, RESPONSES REGARDING THE MAINTENANCE AND KIND OF THE RESPONSES.

UM, WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PRESENT THIS SHOWING THAT UM, WE ARE CONTINUING AND WE ARE UM, KIND OF COMMITTED TO CREATING THE CURRENT KIND

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UM, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT OBVIOUSLY KIND OF MAKING SURE WE MAINTAIN THAT HIGH QUALITY OF WHAT CURRENTLY HAS KIND OF BEEN RECEIVED BACK FROM THE FIRST PHASE.

UM, AND THEN WITH THAT, THAT KIND OF CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UH, LET'S SEE IF, UH, THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK AND THEN Y'ALL CAN COME BACK UP.

YES, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

Y'ALL CAN COME BACK UP.

AND, UH, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THE SURVEY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CURRENT BUILDING.

'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I BROUGHT UP.

'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AT, AT THE P AND Z MEETING HAD QUESTION.

APPRECIATE THAT.

SO WE AT LEAST GET A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING THROUGH WITH THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

AND BUT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE WITH DUMPSTERS, 'CAUSE I ALSO BROUGHT UP DUMPSTERS 'CAUSE THEY JUST WEREN'T ON THE DRAWING AND I HAD NO CLUE WHERE THEY WERE AT.

YES SIR.

SO I WILL, I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL MAKING THOSE CHANGES.

COUNSEL, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I DON'T SO MUCH HAVE ANYTHING FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, BUT DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COUNSEL.

I DO.

SO I'LL THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

SO I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN, UM, WHICH WAS NOT ADDRESSED, UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY WOULD ADDRESS IT UNLESS THEY DECIDED AT SOME POINT TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE TO EXTEND THE ROADWAY BEHIND THEM THAT WE OWN THE LAND FOR.

UM, THAT WOULD CONNECT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MOVE IT CLOSER TO 2 87.

SO THEN MAYBE WE COULD STOMACH IT, UM, TO CONNECT IT.

BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY WAY TO LEAVE THIS PLACE IS THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD ON A CITY STREET THAT WE ALREADY NEED TO REDO.

UM, IT IS ONTO THE SERVICE ROAD AT A VERY, VERY TREACHEROUS SPOT WHERE THE OFF RAMP COMES IN OR IT'S THROUGH THE OFFICE DEPOT PARKING LOT.

THAT'S YOUR THREE OPTIONS.

SO HOWEVER MANY, HOWEVER MANY UNITS THEY ADD, THEY STILL HAVEN'T ADDRESSED ANYTHING TO GET THE RESIDENTS OUT OF THERE SAFELY OR THAT WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ALREADY THERE.

AND THE OPPORTUNITY'S THERE, WE OWN THE LAND DIRECTLY BEHIND IT THAT WOULD CONNECT TO AUB OUT THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

WHERE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FEEDING THAT TRAFFIC? UH, OUT TO? WELL IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERHEAD AND ZOOM IN, UM, CITY PROPERTY IS RIGHT THERE BEHIND IT.

WE OWN THAT, WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS AND IT GOES TO AUB OUT RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF IT AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO EVEN IF THEY WERE JUST TO, TO BUILD OUT ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE, IF IT CAME DOWN TO THE CITY HAVING TO EXTEND FROM THE END OF THEIR PRO BOTH PROPERTY LINES TO THE HIGHWAY, THAT MOVES THEIR CONNECTION FOR BEING RIGHT HERE WHERE IT GETS REAL HAIRY, REAL QUICK TO MOVING IT UP AND NOT FORCING THEM THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY REALLY THE ONLY OPTION.

IT STILL FEEDS THEM ONTO THE SERVICE ROAD TO THAT YIELD SIGN, WHICH IS VERY, VERY DANGEROUS.

GIVES 'EM A LITTLE MORE TIME.

I KNOW BECAUSE THAT'S A ONE WAY, UM, WE HAVE SO MANY PROBLEMS AT THAT YIELD SIGN ALREADY.

I AM NOT ARGUING WITH THE TRAVIS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP, BUT WHEN YOU SAY THE ONLY WAY OUT THERE IS THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD I'M LOOKING AT, YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT UP TO 2 87 OR YOU CAN GO OUT RIGHT BY OFFICE DEPOT.

AM I LOOKING WRONG? YEAH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE OFFICE DEPOT PARKING LOT.

I MEAN IT GOES RIGHT ALONG THE SIDE OF OFFICE DEPOT, BUT THEN IT FEED INTO LIKE THE DRIVE THROUGH IT NEXT TO TACO CABANA AND ALL THAT.

SO REALLY THEIR ONLY FEASIBLE WAY OUT IS GONNA BE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE'S KIDS IN FRONT YARD, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE BACKYARDS.

THAT GOES IN LIKE THE DRIVE THROUGH OF THAT AND THE BANK IS RIGHT.

IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A ROAD THAT WE NEED TO HAVE HIGH TRAFFIC ON TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN.

SO WE'RE GONNA ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO A ROAD THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN AS A CITY THAT ALSO FEEDS INTO A ONE WAY AT 77.

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THERE'S CARS THAT LINE THE STREET IN BOTH WAYS.

AND NOW WE'RE GONNA ADD 60 MORE UNITS.

SO 120 MORE CARS, 59, 59 MORE UNITS.

SO 118 MORE CARS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEY WERE MOVING PARKING.

IS ANYBODY FROM JUSTIN'S DEPARTMENT HERE WHO WOULD'VE THE ANSWER ABOUT, OH, JAMES IS HERE.

WHAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY EARTH IDEA WHAT IMPACT FEE AREA THAT'S IN? 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T ADD CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THE ROAD, BUT THAT'S ADDING CAPACITY.

OH, BEHIND THEIR PROPERTY.

THEY ABSOLUTELY COULD WE, WE ASK OTHERS TO DO IT.

NO, I'M NOT SAYING THEY COULDN'T, I'M SAYING THEY'RE NOT GOING TO 'CAUSE THE EXPENSE OF THAT ROAD WOULD TAKE ANY CHANCE OF THEM MAKING ANY MONEY OUT OF IT.

BUT IF IT'S A CITY PROPERTY AND SEEING WE HAD IMPACT MONEY IN THAT AREA, THEN A COMBINED DEAL WITH THEM AND US TO BUILD THAT ROAD OUT, WHICH WOULD HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS EVERYONE ELSE TO MOVE IT FARTHER BACK.

I'M JUST ASKING, I'M NOT SAYING WE DO IT, I'M JUST ASKING.

I DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK IT IS NUMBER SB NUMBER FOUR.

UH, BASICALLY THE WHOLE, THE MAIN PART OF THE CITY, LIKE THE, THE INCLUDES LIKE, UH, NORTH GATE AND UH, I, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S NUMBER FOUR, BUT IT'S OFF SOUTH OF 2 87.

THAT, THAT ZONE.

I WANNA SAY THAT WE AND THE REASON NOT BE ABLE TO USE IMPACT FEE MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT LOW, THAT LOW PORTION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO USE, UH, JUST, UH, MONEY FROM EITHER BOND OR FROM OPERATING FUNDS.

THAT CLARIFIES IT.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS FOR TRAFFIC AND THE MORE WE GROW, WE HAVE TO, AS A COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT TRAFFIC MORE AND MORE AND HOW THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

UH, IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, IT HASN'T BEEN SO MUCH OF AN ISSUE.

BUT MOVING FORWARD I DO AGREE THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONSIDER THIS WHENEVER WE APPROVE A, A PROJECT LIKE THIS, UH, FOR ME, I, I WISH THERE WAS A A ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE RATHER THAN JUST A LITTLE, UH, FURTHER NORTHWEST, UH, FROM, FROM WHERE IT WOULD BE RIGHT NOW.

I WISH THERE WAS A, A DIFFERENT ROUTE.

UM, SO THAT WE WEREN'T FEEDING THEM EITHER THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ONTO THE ONE WAY, UH, SERVICE ROAD, UH, DOWN TO THAT YIELD SIGN THAT'S SO DANGEROUS AND IS BACKED UP MOST OF THE TIME ALREADY.

WELL, MY, MY MY OPINION ON THIS IS, AND I UNDERSTAND, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE TALKING 59 UNITS OF THAT.

HOW MANY ARE ONE BEDROOMS? 16 OR 16 OF 'EM OR, SO THE REASON I'M ASKING, SO WHAT THE AVERAGE IS ONE AND A HALF CARS, IS THAT WHAT YOU FIGURED? IT WAS? ONE AND A HALF CARS.

SO WE'RE TALKING OF LESS, LESS THAN A HUNDRED CARS AND THREE DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET THROUGH THERE.

UH, ONLY ONE, ONLY ONE OF THE WAYS IS TWO WAY THOUGH.

SO THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHICH ONE'S ONE WAY? BOTH OF THE OTHER TWO.

THE ROAD'S NOT ONE WAY.

IS IT? IT GOES OUT TO 2 87 ON 2 2 87.

YOU CAN ONLY TURN RIGHT WHEN YOU GET TO MARK TRAIL.

WELL I UNDERSTAND YOU ONLY TURN RIGHT.

BUT YOU CAN COME OUTTA THERE AND GO UP AND TURN.

BUT, BUT, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO MARK TRAIL, YOU CAN ONLY TURN RIGHT.

YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT.

THERE'S, THERE'S A MEDIAN THERE.

YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT ON 77 ONTO 77.

SO YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE, ONE.

YOU CAN GET OUTTA THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND ONTO THE STREETS.

YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE WAY TO GET OUT TO WHERE YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO LEGITIMATELY GO LEFT OR RIGHT.

AND THAT'S THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I, IS THERE ANOTHER PROJECT IN THE SAME AREA AS WELL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? WELL, AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN USE THAT ARGUMENT ABOUT WHICH WAY COULD YOU CAN TURN 'CAUSE WE WENT AND PUT A PORK CHOP WHERE YOU CAN ONLY TURN RIGHT OFF OF BESSIE COLEMAN.

SO WE COULD PUT SPROUTS OUT THERE.

I MEAN THAT'S NOT A YEAH, BUT YOU'RE, IT'S APPLES AND APPLES WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT CODE TO GET OUT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD CAPTAIN.

A LITTLE BIT MORE AND BEEN, I WOULDN'T GO THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE ONLY OTHER CHANCE YOU GOT IS WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT THOUGH THE PARKING LOT, DO YOU SEE HOW HOW MANY HOMES YOU HAVE TO TOUCH AND WE'RE NOT EVEN ZOOMED OUT ENOUGH YET.

HOW MANY HOMES YOU HAVE TO TOUCH TO LEAVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET ONTO WHERE YOU CAN TURN LEFT OR RIGHT? LOOK AT THE BLUE SQUARE AND THEN FOLLOW IT ALL THE WAY DOWN.

I WAS ASKING YOU THE QUESTION 'CAUSE I WENT OUT THERE AND DROVE AROUND OUT THERE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT

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THAT'S BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S YOUR ONLY OPTION.

NO, I WOULD GO UP TO 2 87 AND TURN IT RIGHT AND THEN DO WHAT? WHEN I GET UP THERE TO THE RED LIGHT, I CAN GO LEFT OR I CAN GO RIGHT.

SO YOU WANNA ADD MORE TRAFFIC DIRECTLY ONTO 77 THAT WE GET YELLED AT ALL THE TIME FOR AT A, AT A, AT A VERY UNSAFE POINT OF 2 87.

A VERY UNSAFE POINT.

I I JUST DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT, UH, A PROJECT THAT THIS SIZE IS GONNA MAKE ANY ABOUT A DIFFERENCE TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON 2 87 AS COMPARED TO THE OTHER THINGS I'M NOT, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT HERE.

I I MEAN ON 77 I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT HERE AND I'M NOT THINKING THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION THOUGH.

YOU THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO THE SERVICE ROAD? I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY IS.

I THINK SOME WILL GO TO THE SERVICE ROAD.

I THINK SOME WILL GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK SOME WILL GO THE OTHER DIRECTION BY MARK TRAIL.

BY MARK TRAIL.

WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING A HUNDRED CARS TOTAL, YOU'RE TALKING, IF YOU BROKE IT UP THREE WAYS, THERE'S 30 CARS A DAY GOING WHATEVER DIRECTION.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THIS INSTANCE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD YOU CAN GO.

THAT'S JUST AN OPINION THOUGH.

WELL, AND I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THEN SOMETHING IS GONNA GO IN THERE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE THERE'S GONNA BE A NEED FOR SOMETHING IF SOMEBODY GOES IN THERE, WHATEVER THE PROJECT IS IS GONNA INVOLVE CARS.

I JUST DON'T SEE THIS BEING PRODUCING THAT MUCH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE ANY CHARACTERISTICS HERE, BUT RECOGNIZE THAT AT LEAST WITH THIS, WITH A SMALL PROJECT, WE WOULD AT LEAST BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT.

SOMETHING LARGER GOES IN THERE, HAS MORE TRAFFIC, THEN WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO THEN? WELL, IT'S ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, SO I DON'T, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS LARGER THAT WOULD GO IN THERE.

IT'S ZONED SINGLE FAMILY AND THEY'RE ADDING DENSITY BY GOING MULTIFAMILY.

SO IF EVEN IF IT STAYED SINGLE FAMILY, THERE WOULDN'T BE, IT'D BE HALF OR IT'D BE A THIRD OF WHAT IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

BELIEVE IT'S OWN COMMERCIAL.

IT'S THE ZONE COMMERCIAL.

BUT THIS ONE WAS SINGLE FAMILY.

OH, IT'S THE OTHER ONE.

THAT IS THE NEXT ONE.

OOPS.

WELL, OKAY, SO I WAS WRONG ON THAT ONE.

BUT BEING ZONED COMMERCIAL.

OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THEY GONNA PUT IN THERE WITH NO ACCESS? ANYTHING ELSE? COUNSEL? COUNCILMAN ATKINS? WHAT DO YOU THINK MADAM MAYOR? I, I MEAN I, I SEE MERIT IN, IN ALL THE CONVERSATIONS.

IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A REALLY, UH, IT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE.

I MEAN, WE HADN'T HAD A DOG FIGHT YET, BUT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I I AGREE.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU'RE GOING TO, WHAT ELSE YOU'RE GONNA PUT THERE NOR EXCUSE ME.

NOR DO I, UH, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT UNDEVELOPED PIECE TO THE, TO THE WEST ON IS COMMERCIAL AS WELL.

IS THIS, IS THAT ZONE COMMERCIAL AS WELL? HAD THE MAP UP? DANG, JUST HAD THE MAP UP.

I WOULD ALREADY LOOK, BUT MY, MY LAPTOP DIED OWNED BY KENNETH DOLLAR COMMERCIAL.

IT'S COMMERCIAL.

PROPOSED ORDINANCE APPROVING ZDC 1 7 4 20 24.

SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT, OF THAT, UH, EXTENSION OF JOHNSTON PLACE OR WHATEVER THAT IS, THAT'S, THAT'S WOULD BE LIKELY IF IT WAS USED ON BOTH SIDES, CORRECT? I JUST, I BUT THAT BACK PIECE BECOMES ALMOST UNUSABLE COMPLETELY IF IT'S SHUT OFF.

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.

SO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM 12.

CONSIDER

[12. Consider proposed Ordinance approving ZDC-174-2024 ]

I MOVE TO APPROVE ZDC DASH 1 7 4 DASH 2024.

A ZONING CHANGE FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT MULTI-FAMILY SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AND AUTHORIZE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

AND A SECOND.

[01:25:04]

THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY.

CONSIDER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR ZDC 1 74.

THAT TAKES US TO 13.

[13. Consider Development Agreement for ZDC-174-2024 ]

2024.

MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREE FOR ZDC 1 74 20 24.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

CAN YOU ALSO REPEAT, I DON'T, YOU MIGHT HAVE SAID IT AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

[14. Consider a request by Jake Pinto, Alpine Start Development, for a Site Plan for Alpine Meadows, located directly south of 1850 FM 878 (Property ID: 290675) – Owner: ASD Waxi Fee Owner LLC (SP-68-2025) ]

TO 14.

CONSIDER A REQUEST BY JAKE PINTO, ALPINE START DEVELOPMENT FOR SITE PLAN FOR ALPINE MEADOWS.

LOCATED DIRECTLY SOUTH OF 1850 FM 8 78.

OWNER IS A SD WAXY FEE OWNER L-L-C-S-P 68 20 25 TRENTON.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, THIS IS A PROPOSED REQUEST FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

UH, THIS ITEM DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EXISTING PD.

UH, PD M IT IS CURRENTLY ZONE PD, MF ONE AND PD GR.

THE PROPOSED REQUEST, UM, DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY SORT OF ZONING CHANGE.

ONCE AGAIN, IT'S ONLY FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

WHAT THEY ARE, UH, PROPOSING TO DO ON THIS SITE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, PD ORDINANCE AND THE REGULATIONS SET THERE FORTH.

THEY ARE PROPOSING 486 GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT UNITS AND 295 TOWN HOME STYLE UNITS.

UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UH, WILL CONSIST OF VARIOUS PHASES.

UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, QUITE A BIT ON THAT PHASING SCHEDULE, UM, MIXED IN WITH HOW THE AMENITIES WILL BE APPROVED.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THE CITY IS, UM, WE'VE TAKEN QUITE A BIT OF INTEREST IN WITH RECENT PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AMENITIES ARE, UH, CONSTRUCTED IN A TIMELY MANNER AND THEY GUARANTEE THOSE, UH, AMENITIES ARE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE PROJECT, UH, BEING COMPLETED.

UM, AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IN THE REPORT, YOU WILL SEE, UM, AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT, UH, PHASING PLAN FOR THE AMENITIES, UM, PROPOSED REQUEST.

ALSO, THERE'S CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MEET, UH, FOR THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

THE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS, UM, IS PHASE ONE AND TWO.

AND PHASE THREE WILL BE THE TOWN HOME STYLE APARTMENTS.

THE TOWN HOME STYLE APARTMENTS WILL BE LOCATED, UH, TOWARDS THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE LOCATED, UH, TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN, UH, SOUTHERN SECTION, UM, EAST AND WEST AS WELL.

UH, THE PROPOSED REQUEST DOES MEET ALL THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE PD ORDINANCE.

UM, THEY ARE MEET ALL LANDSCAPING, PARKING, UM, AND OTHER ORDINANCE IS SET THERE FORTH.

UH, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

UH, THEY ARE, UH, WHEN THIS WENT BEFORE THE PLANE ZONING COMMISSION, THEY ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ITERATE IS THAT AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PD, UM, IT DOESN'T TALK A LOT ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS.

IT RELIES BACK ON OUR BASE ZONING DISTRICT.

UH, HOWEVER WE DID WORK WITH THEM, UH, QUITE A BIT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND THE DESIGN OF THOSE OF THESE STRUCTURES.

UH, HERE'S THE PHASING PLAN, UM, OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING AT THIS TIME, UH, ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT ONCE THAT IS READY TO BE DEVELOPED, THAT WILL ALSO BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN APPRO APPROVAL PROCESS.

A LOT OF MA UH, MASONRY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ALSO TIED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, A REQUIREMENT TO BUILD WITH CERTAIN TYPES OF MASONRY REQUIREMENTS ON THE STRUCTURE.

UM, THE FACADES ARE BROKEN UP THROUGHOUT THE, UM, GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS AS WELL AS THE TOWN HOME, UH, UNITS.

UM, ONCE AGAIN, UH, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

TRENTON, CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THE ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS ARE FOR THIS? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME? THE ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS FOR THIS? YES, PLEASE.

HERE'S THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.

UM, THERE'S VARIOUS POINTS OF ACCESS ON THIS SITE.

UH, MOSTLY, UH, IT'S TO THE ROAD, UH, RIGHT THROUGH THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, YOU HAVE ON THE TOWN ON SECTION, YOU HAVE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS COMING, UH, INGRESS EGRESS COMING OUT HERE TO 8 78 ON FM 8 78.

UM, YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL INGRESS EGRESS COMING OUT ONTO THE TWO, A ZONE, UH, SERVICE ROAD AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL EXIT INGRESS EGRESS, UH, TO THE SOUTH.

THIS PLAN DOES MEET FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR INGRESS EGRESS.

[01:30:05]

I DIDN'T HEAR IT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HEARS IT.

WHEN THIS WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN THE PAST FOR PERSON THIS DEVELOPMENT, I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL PD WAS APPROVED IN 2005.

SO THIS IS 20 YEARS OLD.

WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS .

THEY, UH, CORRECT, UH, THE, YEAH, THE PD WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 2005.

UM, AND PER THE PD ORDINANCE, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THEY ARE ONLY REQUIRED 'EM TO COME BEFORE SITE PLAN APPROVAL THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THROUGH PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.

BUT PER THE PD, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE COMMERCIAL SPACE, CORRECT? CORRECT, YES.

AND THAT IS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN JUST NOT BEING DEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES.

GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

JAKE PINTO WITH ALPINE START DEVELOPMENT.

I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE YOU GET STARTED.

'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT ONE CHANCE TO WIN MY SUPPORT AND IT'S ONE CHANCE ONLY.

I DO NOT LIKE APARTMENTS.

UH, WE ARE, WE HAVE TOO MANY ALREADY.

UM, I HAVE, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF FARM LAND RIGHT THERE THAT YOU'RE JUST GONNA PAVE AND MAKES ME SICK.

UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO GROW AGAIN.

YOU'VE GOT ONE CHANCE TO ANSWER AN ANSWER THIS CORRECTLY OR I'M COMPLETELY OUT AND THERE'S, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT COMING BACK FROM IT.

AND IT'S MIGHT SOUND LIKE A JOKE, BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA MAKE YOU A BOATLOAD OF MONEY AND SELLING THOSE COMMERCIAL SPACES COULD MAKE YOU A BOATLOAD OF MONEY.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SPACES.

I DON'T EVEN WANT THE COMMERCIAL SPACES TO BE HONEST.

I WANT A $10 MILLION ANIMAL SHELTER AND I'M NOT KIDDING.

SO YOU FIND A PLACE TO BUILD THAT AND YOU'LL HAVE MY SUPPORT.

AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A, NOT A, NOT A JOKE.

AND I BET YOU COULD WIN THE SUPPORT OF THE REST OF COUNCIL IF THAT WAS A COMMITMENT ALSO.

SO WORK THAT INTO YOUR, TO YOUR NUMBERS AND YOU COULD MAYBE HAVE MY SUPPORT, BUT 0% CHANCE WITH JUST APARTMENTS.

'CAUSE ALL THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING US RIGHT NOW IS A BURDEN ON, ON OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT AND ON OUR CITY ROADS.

UNDERSTOOD.

UM, WE'LL TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.

I CAN'T COMMIT TO A $10 MILLION ANIMAL SHELTER CURRENTLY, BUT I I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

I HAVE TO ADMIT, I I I DON'T LIKE THIS AT ALL.

I MEAN, IT JUST DOESN'T JUST, I JUST DON'T LIKE IT.

HOW DO YOU PLAN FOR ALL THESE RENTALS? HOW DO YOU PLAN CLASSROOMS? I JUST DON'T LIKE IT.

WITH, THERE'S 7,500 HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT RIGHT ADJACENT TO YOU.

I I THINK THAT, UM, THE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO HERE IS GEAR THIS TO, UH, MORE STUDIOS IN ONE BEDROOMS. AND SO OUR UNIT COUNT, UM, IS HEAVILY WEIGHTED TOWARDS THAT.

SO THEREFORE TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF BURDEN ON, ON SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAS BEEN, UH, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, I THINK WE'RE AT LIKE, UH, I HAVE THE NUMBERS HERE.

WE'RE AT ALMOST 60% ONE BEDROOMS OR STUDIOS.

SO THAT IS THE ATTEMPT TO TRY TO NOT, YOU KNOW, CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHICH WOULD BURDEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS ANYWHERE ELSE THAT WE COULD LOOK AT? UH, CURRENTLY WE MANAGE, UH, JUST OVER 2000 UNITS THROUGHOUT THE DFW METRO BLOCKS.

SO YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THIS IN, UH, OUR, OUR INTENT HERE IS TO BE LONG-TERM HOLDERS WITH THIS.

I THINK THAT THE PHASING KEEPS US HERE FOR QUITE AMOUNT OF TIME.

DOES THE PD REQUIRE YOU TO TAKE CARE OF THE COMMERCIAL AT SOME POINT, OR DOES IT ALLOW YOU TO, TO SELL OFF THAT LAND AS SOON AS YOU STARTED BUILDING THE, THE RENTAL PROPERTIES? THE PD CALLS FOR THE SITE PLAN TO THAT IT CAN BE PROCESSED INDEPENDENTLY.

OUR GOAL HERE IS TO AT LEAST START PHASE ONE OF THE MULTIFAMILY, THEREFORE BEING ABLE TO, UH, ATTRACT A HIGHER QUALITY RETAIL OPERATOR.

WE DON'T NEED YOUR PHASE ONE TO ATTRACT A HIGHER QUALITY RETAIL OPERATOR.

SAM'S CLUB JUST CAME LAST AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

WE, YOUR, YOUR PHASE ONE ISN'T GONNA MOVE THE NEEDLE ENDING.

TRADITIONALLY SPEAKING, YOU CAN GET A BETTER RETAIL

[01:35:01]

YOUR PHASE ONE IS NOT GONNA MOVE THE NEEDLE LENDING.

WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF TIME, UH, FOR BUILD OUT ON THIS? SO IF WE WERE TO PUT A SHOVEL ON THE GROUND AND START PHASE ONE, IT'D PROBABLY BE ABOUT A 24 MONTH BUILD CYCLE PER EACH PHASE.

SO, UH, THREE PHASES YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY SIX YEARS.

THAT'S A WHOLE LOT MORE.

POLICE AND FIRE ALSO TELLS ME THAT, THAT, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPITAL TO GO THROUGH QUICKLY IF NEEDED.

IF, IF I MIGHT ASK WHY DID IT TAKE 20 YEARS FROM THE PASSAGE OF THE PD TO NOW BEFORE YOU GUYS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE WE PUT SOME DEADLINES ON PDS TO WHERE THEY DIE IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF 'EM IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF FORCED ON US.

AS YOU CAN TELL, WE'VE BEEN GETTING RIPPED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS AND ALL THAT STUFF WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN TOWN OR PROVEN.

AND HONESTLY, 90% OF THEM WE HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, WHY 20 YEARS BETWEEN THE TIME IT GOT APPROVED AND NOW I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK FOR THE LAST, THE, THE FIRST 17 YEARS.

UH, OUR COMPANY HAS, UH, PURCHASED THIS LAND ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO AND OVER THAT TIME WE'VE KIND OF DEVELOPED VARIOUS SITE PLANS AND THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING TO GO THROUGH REZONES.

UM, BUT IT'S BECOME CLEAR THAT OUR BEST PATH FORWARD IS TO GO, UH, WITHIN THE CURRENT CONFINES OF THE PD.

AND Y'ALL'S INTENTION NOW IS IF IT GETS DONE TO ACTUALLY START AND DO IT QUICKLY OR, OR Y'ALL, DO Y'ALL HAVE A TIMEFRAME ON WHEN YOU'RE WANTING TO START? YEAH, WE WOULD LIKE TO START AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE, UM, A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AS FAR AS THE SUBSEQUENT AGENDA ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, PRIOR TO US BEING ABLE TO BREAK GROUND ON THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

SO THE PLAN IS TO, UM, START WITH THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE ESTIMATE THAT TAKE ABOUT EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS.

DURING THAT TIME, WE WILL BE WORKING THROUGH THE PLAT PROCESS, THE CIVIL PERMITS AND THE BUILDING PERMITS AND EVERYTHING.

SO THAT WAY IDEALLY WHEN THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS COMPLETE, WE'RE ABLE TO BREAK AROUND.

WHERE DID YOU SAY YOU LIVE? WHAT CITY? I LIVE IN DALLAS.

DO Y'ALL CARE ABOUT WAXAHATCHEE? JUST CURIOUS.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

DO I GUARANTEE YOU DON'T AS MUCH AS WE DO .

SO I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND COUNSEL, THIS IS AN APPROVED, UH, ZONING.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN ONLY WITH THIS CASE.

UM, SO APPROVAL OR DENIAL WOULD BE BASED ON THE, THE APPROVAL OF THAT SITE PLAN, THE ZONING'S IN PLACE, THE UNITS ARE APPROVED, UH, PER THAT ZONING FOR THAT PER, PER THAT PD FROM 20 YEARS AGO.

SO WE'RE JUST STRICTLY LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN.

WHEN DOES THAT PD GO AWAY? AFTER WE PASS THAT TWO YEAR MOVE DIRT OR ELSE THE, THE PD.

THE PD IS NEVER, UH, GOING AWAY UNLESS THERE'S SOME, THERE'S NO SORT OF MORATORIUM OR ANY SORT OF PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT TAKES AWAY THE PD REGULATIONS.

EVEN IF THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T GET, NOTHING HAPPENS ON A SITE PLAN, IT WOULD JUST BE THE NEXT DEVELOPER COME IN AND PROPOSE A NEW SITE PLAN MEETING THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF THE PD ORDINANCE.

IF I MAY, MADAM MAYOR, I WANT TO ASK TERRY, JUST, DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO ON THIS OR DO WE REALLY PRETTY MUCH HAVE IT'S JUST A FORMALITY SITE PLAN.

SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND IN MOST PLACES, AND SO IF IT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE UNDER UNDERLYING ZONING REQUIREMENTS, THEN IT HAS TO BE APPROVED.

AND, AND FOR ZONING TO GO AWAY, THERE HAS TO BE ACTUALLY A WHOLE PUBLIC PROCESS TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

JUST DOESN'T EXPIRE.

THAT, THAT BEING SAID, MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD MOVE TO WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? ANY? THAT'S 13.

14.

YOU HAVE YOUR TEXTILE APPROVALS FOR THESE C FOR FOR THESE CUTS, ALL THREE OF THEM WE ARE GONNA HAVE, AS PART OF THE PLAT PROCESS, WE HAVE TO FINALIZE OUR TIA AND THROUGH THE CIVIL PERMIT, GET THOSE APPROVALS.

14.

I DON'T WANNA CUT ANYBODY OFF.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TALK BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION? DID Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE DOWN THERE? NO, BUT IF WE'RE ABOUT TO MOVE TO A VOTE, WE BETTER DISCUSS THE, THE FINER DETAILS OF IT, BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE SITE PLAN.

BUT WHAT ELSE YOU GOT?

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SO WE DID A PRELIM TIA THAT CALLS FOR A HANDFUL OF IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WE'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT.

WHICH INCLUDES WHAT? WHAT'S THAT? WHICH INCLUDES WHAT? UH, THE, UH, UH, DESAL LANES, TURNOUT LANES IN A POSSIBLE SIGNALIZATION POSSIBLE WHERE, UH, AT 8 78 WHERE IT MEETS THE, UH, SERVICE ROAD.

ANYTHING ELSE COUNSEL? WELL, UH, IT'S JUST SO THE COMMERCIAL SPACES, WHERE ARE THERE CURB CUTS? THAT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR SITE PLAN? IT'S YOUR, BUT IT'S YOUR SITE PLAN.

SO WHERE ARE THERE CURB CUTS? WE HAVE THE, UH, YOU OWN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

IT'S YOUR SITE PLAN WHERE THE CURB CUTS.

THE COMMERCIAL.

SO WE HAVE THE CURB CUT ON, UH, THE WESTERN ROAD THERE THAT WOULD CONNECT THROUGH TO THE RETAIL COMPONENT.

THE RETAIL SITE PLAN WOULD BE A SEPARATE SUBMITTAL, WHICH WOULD SHOW THEIR CURB CUTS.

THEY'RE YOUR CURB CUTS.

IT'S YOUR SITE PLAN.

AT HOW WOULD THEY MEET THE ORDINANCE TO A T WITH THIS DESIGN.

WE ARE NOT PROCESSING A SITE PLAN ON THE RETAIL RIGHT NOW.

PD REQUIRES, COMMERCIAL PD REQUIRES COMMERCIAL, IT ALLOWS FOR THE SITE PLAN TO BE PROCESSED INDEPENDENTLY.

AND YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING ANY CURB CUTS FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY EXCEPT THROUGH THAT LITTLE BITTY POINT UP THERE ON 8 78.

UH, SORRY.

ON THE PLAN, UH, PLAN LEFT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE, UH, PROPERTY THERE.

SO, SO THAT, THAT LITTLE, THAT CUT RIGHT THERE IS WHERE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT CONVENIENT TO GET TO THERE, RIGHT? WHERE WHERE YEAH.

IT'S NOT CONVENIENT TO GET TO BY THE WAY, THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT'S GONNA ATTRACT YOUR, OUR HIGH END RETAILERS.

WELL I, WHEN THE, WHEN WE PROCESS A SITE PLAN FOR THE RETAIL, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE NECESSARY CURB CUTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A TAX DOT AND TIA APPROVAL.

TERRY, DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE A HALF-ASS PLAN THAT DOESN'T MEET THE PD? WELL, I, I'M GOING ON WHAT OUR STAFF TELLS US THAT, THAT THE, THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT IS SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AT A LATER TIME GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SO BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE FOR, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, THE, IT MEETS, IT MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, YES, YOU HAVE TO, YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU, NOT EVEN WITHOUT ANY PLANNING FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT, BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE, SEPARATE PROCESS ON THE CURRENT PD.

CORRECT? YES.

IT'D BE DIFFERENT IF THEY, IF THEY CAME IN FROM THE PD 20 YEARS AGO AND THEY TOTALLY WANTED TO BLOW IT UP AND DO SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN YOU'D HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY THAT.

BUT THEY'RE FALL IN THE, THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE PD THAT WAS APPROVED 20 YEARS AGO BY THE BOOK, BY WHAT THE PD SAYS.

EXACTLY.

TRENTON AND SEAN, ACCORDING TO THE PD ORDINANCE, WE COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING THAT THEY WERE NOT BEING THE MINIMUM ARE EXCEEDING.

SO, SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO TO, TO MR. PINTO'S POINT.

UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT FOR THREE YEARS.

UH, THEY'VE BEEN BRINGING US DIFFERENT DESIGNS, DIFFERENT UH, ITERATIONS TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO INCREASE DENSITIES, LOOK AT DIFFERENT, UH, DESIGN LAYOUTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, BASICALLY WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO IS, UH, STAFF SAYING TO THE APPLICANT, UH, YOU WOULDN'T GET A HIGHER DENSITY ANY OTHER WAY THAN, THAN TO MEET WHAT IS EXISTING AS THE EXISTING PD.

SO ANY CHANGE IN THE PD, UH, FROM STAFF'S VIEWPOINT WAS, WAS NOT GOING TO BE FAVORABLE IN OUR, IN, IN OUR OPINION.

SO, YES, UH, THE APPLICANT AND STAFF TOGETHER LOOKED

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SO YES, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS DESIGN AND LOOKED AT IT AND REVIEWED IT TO TODAY'S ORDINANCE.

ALTHOUGH THE, THE PD WAS APPROVED 20 YEARS AGO, IT SAYS TO GO BACK TO THE BASE ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE ADOPTED NOW, IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO MEET.

SO YES, WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS PLAN, UH, AND WE HAVE REVIEWED IT TO TODAY'S ORDINANCES AND THEY ARE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE TO TODAY.

I CAN TELL YOU IF THIS WERE NOT APPROVED 20 YEARS AGO, THIS PD, I COULD NEVER SUPPORT IT.

I STILL WON'T SUE US.

ANYTHING ELSE? GOTTA BE A LOOPHOLE SOMEWHERE.

IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MADAM MAYOR, MOVE TO APPROVE SP 68 20 25 SITE PLAN FOR ALPINE MEADOWS, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AND AUTHORIZE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

THOSE OPPOSED.

CONSIDER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR SP 68 20 25 COUNSEL MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR SP 68 20 25.

TAKES US TO 15.

[15. Consider Development Agreement for SP-68-2025 ]

DO HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY AARON PASS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE EXCEEDING 700 SQUARE FEET USE WITHIN A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT.

THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.

THAT TAKES US TO 16

[16. Public Hearing on a request by Aaron Pass for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for an Accessory Structure exceeding seven hundred (700) square feet use within a Future Development (FD) zoning district located at 1664 FM 387 (Property ID 303204) - Owner: Tyler Carter (ZDC-106-2025) ]

LOCATED AT 1664 FM 3 87.

OWNER IS TYLER CARTER.

THIS IS ZDC 1 0 6 20 25 TRENTON.

UH, THANK YOU.

THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT LOCATED 1664 FM 3 87.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS REQUESTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE EXCEEDING 700 SQUARE FEET.

THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WILL BE USED FOR A HOBBY SHOP.

UM, THE THIS PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR MEMORY REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUP UH, ORDINANCE AND THE SIMILAR, UH, PROPERTIES, UM, AROUND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, THE EXISTING PROPERTY IS ZONE, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROPERTIES BY THIS HAVE SIMILAR DESIGNS OF STRUCTURES.

UM, SO THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON.

UM, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, IS APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS 5,522 SQUARE FEET.

UH, THERE ARE CONDITIONS, UH, LOCATED IN THE ORANGE THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.

IT OR ANY OF THOSE, UH, CONSISTENT CONDITIONS THAT WE PUT ON OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

TYPICALLY, WHEN A UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE COMES IN, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE METERED OFF THE HOUSE.

UM, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE SEPARATE METERS IN THIS CASE.

UH, ENCORE WILL NOT ALLOW THEM TO, UH, METER OFF OF THE HOUSE FOR ELECTRICITY.

UM, THEY'RE BEING REQUIRED BY ENCORE TO HAVE A SEPARATE, UH, TO INSTALL A SEPARATE ELECTRIC METER DUE TO THE POWER DEMANDS OF THE COPY.

UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEIR HOBBY CONSISTS OF, UM, UH, I'M NOT A MECHANIC IN ANY MEANS, BUT IT'S THEIR HOBBY CARS, UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.

UM, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A PERSONAL GYM IN THERE.

UM, THERE IS SOME PLUMBING, UH, PLUMBING STRUCTURE, UH, PLUMBING FIXTURES INSIDE THAT EXCESSIVE STRUCTURE.

AND THAT IS SO THEY CAN CLEAN UP AFTER THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR HOBBY VEHICLES.

UM, THE EX, UH, EXISTING DRIVEWAY WILL BE EXTENDED TO THE EXCESSIVE STRUCTURE IN THE REAR LOT.

UM, THIS WENT BEFORE APPLYING ZONING COMMISSION ZERO CAME BACK IN OPPOSITION OF NOTICES ZERO.

UH, SUPPORT P AND Z RECOMMEND UNANIMOUSLY APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSED REQUEST.

AND STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU, TRENTON.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

MY NAME IS IRA TEMP.

I LIVE ON 1 0 9 ROSA STREET.

I JUST, UH, IT'S OKAY.

IT'S WAY OUT THERE IN THE COUNTRY IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT ONCE THE CITY COMES AROUND IT, THEN IT, UH, KIND OF THAT BUILDING A KIND OF FORM, LIKE A LIVING BUILDING, UH, HAVING ITS OWN SEPARATE METER.

UH, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT MUCH POWER IS NEEDED, BUT THAT IS A BIG HOUSE IT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT

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THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ON IT.

UH, BE CAREFUL ON HOW YOU DO THINGS.

AND THE HOBBY SHOP SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEAL FOR SOMEONE IN A SEPARATE ELECTRIC METER, BUT WHEN EVERYTHING GROW, IT GOTTA BE, UH, KIND OF WHERE YOU DON'T USE IT FOR A SECOND RESIDENTIAL IN THE FUTURE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL DO THAT PART THERE, BUT THAT'S Y'ALL'S PART ANYWAY.

CONSIDER PROPOSED ORDINANCE APPROVING ZDC 1 0 6 20 25.

ANYONE ELSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT BRINGS

[17. Consider proposed Ordinance approving ZDC-106-2025 ]

US TO ITEM 17.

COUNSEL, UH, MADAM MAYOR, I FIRST JUST WANNA THANK THIS HOMEOWNER FOR HELPING US FIGHT THE MUD THAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED AROUND THIS HOME.

UM, AND ALSO JUST NOTE THAT THERE IS A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT METAL FIREWORK STAYING LIKE 0.2 MILES FROM HERE.

SO I MEAN, WHEN WE REALLY LOOK AT IT, WHAT'S A ACTUAL NICE STRUCTURE GOING TO HARM REALLY? AND THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING ELSE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

GOOD.

MAD MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE ZTC 1 0 6 20 25.

A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE EXCEEDING 700 SQUARE FEET SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT AND AUTHORIZE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.

YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 18 WHERE WE WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THANK YOU COUNSEL.

THAT

[18. Convene into Executive Session to deliberate economic development incentives, as permitted by Texas Government Code Section 551.087; to deliberate the purchase, exchange, lease, or value of real property for municipal purposes, as permitted by Texas Government Code Section 551.072; to deliberate personnel matters, including the appointment, evaluation, duties or dismissal of any member of a City board or commission, and selection of a City Manager, all as permitted by Texas Government Code Section 551.074; to consult with the City Attorney about anticipated and pending litigation; to consult with the City Attorney regarding legal issues associated with land development and annexation issues; and to consult with the City Attorney regarding legal issues related to the city manager transition, as permitted by Texas Government Code Section 551.071, and all matters incident and related thereto ]

UH, BUT BEFORE THAT, I WILL ASK FOR COMMENTS BY MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGEMENT.

I'LL START TO MY RIGHT DOWN THERE.

ANY COMMENTS? MISSY, YOU GOT ANYTHING? UH, I DON'T.

AGAIN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE HONOR TO BE THE, UH, COUNCIL HONORARY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER.

UM, IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN INTERESTING LISTENING TO ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS.

UM, AND IT HONESTLY MAKES ME GRATEFUL I'M NOT ON THE CITY COUNCIL.

TERRY.

THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR.

COUNCILMAN WRIGHT.

THANKS.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE MISSY AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY OVER ALL THE MANY, MANY YEARS THAT YOU'VE DONE IT.

AND I'M SURE THE PEOPLE AT THE BASEBALL FIELD HATE THE FACT YOU'RE , YOU'RE NOT THERE RUNNING A CONCESSION STAND ANYMORE.

I WAS JUST DOWN THERE AND THEY HAD A BAPTISM WITH SIX YOUNG MEN, SEVEN YOUNG MEN ON THE PITCHERS MOUND RIGHT BEFORE I GOT HERE.

SO, UM, THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF, SARO AND KYLE AND ALL OF THEM DOWN THERE WITH THE TRUCK OF PALOOZA THAT WAS ON LAST WEEKEND AND HAD A LITTLE RAIN RIGHT AT ONE POINT, BUT IT WENT REALLY AS USUAL.

YOU GUYS RUN THOSE THINGS LIKE CLOCKWORK AND GET EVERYTHING IN AND OUT OF THERE AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATED FOR ALL THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY PUTS INTO IT.

AND THANK YOU.

AND, UH, LAST THING, CHAD, I MISSED YOU AT THAT MEETING THIS MORNING.

UH, MAYOR PRO, TIMM SUITER.

JUST QUICKLY, UH, MISS AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO, UM, I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE ON SERVING ON A BOARD WITH YOU AND I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU, YOUR HEART FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS JUST GOES INTO IT AND, UH, TREMENDOUS EFFORT ON YOUR PART.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE.

I WOULD LOVE TO SAY SOMETHING LONG AND HEARTFELT ABOUT HOW MUCH MISSY HAS MEANT, BUT MM-HMM.

AND DOWN TO MY LEFT, UH, STAFF.

DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING? ALBERT? SORRY.

EVERY TIME I'D TURN ON, HE'D TURN OFF.

SO, UM, UH, I, I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THEY KEEP ELEVATING THEIR, THEIR SERVICES AND GETTING RECOGNIZED NATIONALLY.

UM, AND CHAD'S DONE A GREAT JOB OVER THE PAST SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS.

KEEP ELEVATING THAT DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO TOO ALL ACROSS OUR, OUR ORGANIZATION.

YOU SEE THE SAME THING THROUGHOUT OUR DEPARTMENTS GETTING NATIONAL CERTIFICATIONS, THE EMPLOYEES GETTING NATIONAL CERTIFICATIONS, STATE CERTIFICATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT JUST SHOWS THAT, UH, OUR STAFF IS, IS TOP NOTCH WITH THE OTHER STAFF ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UM, AND, UH, THEY, THEY DO THE RIGHT THINGS.

THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL AND, UH, AND PUT A LOT OF HARD WORK INTO WHAT THEY DO.

AND, UH, THESE, THESE RECOGNITIONS JUST GIVE THEM THAT, I GUESS ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, KUDO.

UM, THERE WAS SOMEBODY I, I, I ALMOST SAID SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT YEAH, UM, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT IS JUST GREAT SEEING THAT ACROSS OUR ORGANIZATION, ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS DOING THAT.

AND, AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN GOING ON, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND THANKS, THANKS TO OUR ENTIRE STAFF, COUNCILMAN SMITH.

[01:55:02]

THANK YOU COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

WELL, MISSY, WE'VE, WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER JUST A LITTLE BIT.

YOUR HUSBAND'S ONE OF MY LONGEST DEAREST FRIENDS.

BUT EVEN WITH ALL THAT, WHAT YOU BRING TO THIS CITY IS, IS VERY SPECIAL.

AND I'M GLAD TO KNOW YOU, RICKY.

UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, UM, AGAIN, GREAT JOB FOR THE TEAM ON TRUNK OF PALOOZA.

YOU KNOW, IT, LIKE I SAID, IT RAINED RIGHT BEFORE THERE.

THEY HAD TO ADJUST AND OVERCOME AND WE STILL HAD A REALLY GREAT EVENT.

SO I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY DO.

JUST A REMINDER, THIS COMING SATURDAY IS CROSSROADS GO TEXAN FESTIVAL, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A GOOD WEATHER FOR THAT AND A REALLY GOOD TURNOUT.

UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU MISSY, FOR ALL YOU DO IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING, BUT UM, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO SEE, UH, CITIZENS THAT SERVE SO WELL.

AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND, UM, MY HAT'S OFF AGAIN ALSO FOR LELAND MARINA AND, UM, THE REST OF THE TEAM THERE FOR ALL THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO OBTAIN.

I DO WANT TO REMIND Y'ALL THE WORK SESSION WE HAVE ON WEDNESDAY MORNING, SO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

AND WE ALSO HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE ON TEUS DEPLOYMENT TO CHILDREN'S RIGHT NOW.

SO IF YOU CAN KEEP THEM IN YOUR, IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS, UH, I'D APPRECIATE MUCH.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.