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[1. Call to Order]
WE WILL CALL THE SEPTEMBER 8TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION.FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE GIVE THANKS TODAY FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS THAT WE ENJOY.
AND FATHER, WE'RE THANKFUL THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
FATHER, WE ALSO ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE THIS EVENING AS WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT OUR FELLOW CITIZENS.
FATHER, WE ALSO ASK FOR YOUR FORGIVENESS WHEN WE FALL SHORT.
[3. Public Comments]
PUBLIC COMMENTS.ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CAN ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC CAN DO SO NOW? YES, SIR.
UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS DANIEL BOX.
I'M A ZONING ATTORNEY WITH WINSTED PC OFFICE IS LOCATED AT 27 28 NORTH HARWOOD IN DALLAS.
UH, THANKS SO MUCH FOR HEARING ME.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, AS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, OR YOU MIGHT RECALL, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THESE PLAT APPLICATION BACK, I THINK LAST YEAR AROUND AUTUMN.
SO WE WERE ACTUALLY DISAPPOINTED, EVEN ALARMED, TO SEE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL YET AGAIN.
UH, OF COURSE, AS A, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, STAFF HAS GIVEN TWO REASONS FOR RECOMMENDING DENIAL, ONE OF WHICH IS A TYPO.
THE OTHER ONE IS A QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS TO THE SITE.
NOW, I'LL SAY WITH REGARD TO NUMBER ONE, WE, UH, WE HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST LAND, LAND USE AND ZONING PRACTICE THERE AT WINSTEAD.
WE HAVE COLLECTIVELY OVER 70 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE BETWEEN ALL OF US.
AND I'LL SAY THAT NEVER IN ANY OF OUR CAREERS HAVE WE SEEN A PLAT RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL OVER SOMETHING LIKE A MISSPELLING.
BUT EVEN IF WE WERE TO TURN TO RECENT NUMBER TWO, I'D SAY A QUESTION NOW IS WITH REGARD TO TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
NOW, I'LL SAY NUMBER ONE, WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
IF YOU PULL UP OUR PLAT APPLICATION, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT TWO POINTS OF CONNECTIONS THERE, ONE AT THE NORTH AND ONE AT THE SOUTH.
BUT EVEN IF, UH, EVEN IF THE CITY IS NOT INCLINED TO ACCEPT THOSE AS TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, I WOULD SAY MY SECOND POINT IS THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THERE'S REALLY NO REFERENCE TO TWO, TO THE NEED FOR TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT STAFF IS RELYING ON, UH, THE 2021 VERSION OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE FOR THAT.
THERE, I I WILL SAY ADMITTEDLY, THERE IS A PARENTHETICAL WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT MAKES A VAGUE REFERENCE TO THE NEED FOR TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T SAY IF THAT'S WITH REGARD TO ALL SUBDIVISIONS.
UH, IT WOULD SEEM TO INDICATE, AT LEAST IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THAT THAT'S ONLY WITH REGARD TO SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE MORE THAN 100 LOTS.
AND WE ARE WELL BENEATH THAT AT, AROUND I THINK 70 LOTS.
SO WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT REQUIREMENT WOULD EVEN APPLY TO OUR SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN THE LAST POINT THAT I'LL MAKE IS, IS EVEN IF WE ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO HAVE THOSE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, WHICH AGAIN WE THINK WE HAVE PROVIDED, IT WOULD MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO CONSTRUCT SOME OFFSITE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
AND STAFF HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE CITY DOESN'T OWN THE RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSTRUCT THAT, RIGHT, THAT OFFSITE ROAD IMPROVEMENT, WHICH EFFECTIVELY MAKES OUR SITE IMPOSSIBLE TO DEVELOP.
SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD HUMBLY SUBMIT, UH, TO YOU THAT THIS PLAT SHOULD BE APPROVED.
I THINK IT'S, UH, A YEAR OVERDUE.
HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN NOW, UH, CONSIDER THIS COMPLIANT WITH ALL LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
ANYONE ELSE ON PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NO ONE WE'LL PROCEED.
NOW, THIS ISN'T, WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH SAM'S AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS JUST PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT, BUT THERE'S NO INTERACTION.
SO THAT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE, NO, I DON'T WANT TO INTERACT.
WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC, UH, WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON SAM'S, BUT THERE'S NO ONE ELSE.
[4. Consent Agenda ]
WE WILL PROCEED TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH ARE ALL ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSION DEEMS ARE ROUTINE IN NATURE AND WHICH CAN BE ENACTED IN ONE MOTION.ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
SO WE'RE GONNA DEVIATE A LITTLE BIT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THE SAM'S AGENDA ITEM IS PROBABLY GONNA LAST A LITTLE WHILE.
SO WE'RE GONNA LET, UH, THE THREE OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS GO FIRST AND, AND THEY SHOULDN'T, THEY SHOULDN'T LAST TOO LONG.
[7. Public Hearing on a request by Ndorerwanayo Cesar, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a Home for Aged, (Assisted Living) use within a Planned Development Single-Family-3 (PD-SF-3) zoning district located at 1107 East Ross Street (Property ID 272982) - Owner: Tammy & Robert Tanguma (ZDC-89-2025)]
UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY NOROFOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A HOME FOR AGED ASSISTED LIVING USE WITHIN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT SINGLE FAMILY THREE ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 1 1 0 7 EAST RAW STREET
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PROPERTY ID 2 7 2 9 8 2.OWNER TAMMY AND ROBERT TUMBA, ZDC DASH 89 DASH 2025.
WHO'S GOT THAT ONE? ZACH, YOU GOT THAT ONE? YES, SIR.
SO AS YOU MENTIONED, AGENDA ITEM OF SEVEN FOR ZDC 89.
2025 IS GONNA BE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A HOME FOR THE AGE.
SO THAT'S THE LAND USE TERM FOR AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
UH, AS FAR AS OUR ZONING ORDINANCE DEFINES IT, THIS IS AT 1107 EAST ROSS STREET, WHICH IS SITUATED IN A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.
THE SINGLE FAMILY THREE ZONING DISTRICT.
TO BE SPECIFIC, THE WAXAHATCHEE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR ANY HOME FOR THE AGED OR ASSISTED LIVING USE WITHIN ANY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS HERE IN TOWN.
SO THAT'S SF ONE, TWO, OR THREE IN THIS CASE.
THE APPLICANT HAD APPROACHED STAFF A LITTLE EARLIER THIS YEAR, UH, WITH THE FACT THAT THEY HAD BEEN OPERATING AT THIS LOCATION.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF WASN'T AWARE OF BEFORE BEING APPROACHED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, NOTING THAT THEY HAD BEEN OPERATING HERE FOR A FEW YEARS AND HAD RECENTLY BECOME AWARE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A USE THAT REQUIRES AN SUP.
SO AT THAT TIME, STAFF WAS ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT AND IDENTIFY THE NEED FOR THE SUP.
THE APPLICANT TURNED AROUND AND, AND DID PROVIDE THAT APPLICATION TO US.
THERE'S A FEW PARTICULARS ABOUT THE REQUEST TO, TO BE AWARE OF.
THE APPLICANT IS LEASING THE SITE FROM THE OWNERS TO OPERATE THIS FACILITY.
UH, THE APPLICANT LISTED IN THE CAPTION FOR THIS REPORT IS NOT THE STAFF MEMBER THAT'S ON SITE.
THERE IS ONE CAREGIVER ON SITE THAT'S THERE 24 7 ALONG WITH THREE RESIDENTS.
UH, THE MAXIMUM, UH, NUMBER OF PATIENTS THAT CAN BE CARED FOR OR RESIDENTS RATHER THAT CAN BE CARED FOR HERE IS THREE.
UH, THEY DO RECEIVE 24 7 NON-MEDICAL ASSISTANCE.
THERE'S NOT A LICENSED MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL THERE, SO NO MEDICAL, UH, SERVICES ARE PROVIDED, BUT, UH, DAY-TO-DAY SUPERVISION AND ASSISTANCE IS PROVIDED BY THAT ONE STAFF MEMBER.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF TRANSPORTATION SERVICES FOR THESE MEMBERS ON SITE, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A VAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT PARKED OUT IN FRONT.
THIS IS A BRIEF LOOK IN YOUR PACKET AT THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE HOME.
IT WAS DEVELOPED AS A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT REPRESENTED HERE.
THIS IS A LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOME FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.
STAFF DID ISSUE, UH, PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
WE RECEIVED THREE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THE REQUEST AND, AND NO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION RANGE.
WITH THIS IN MIND, STAFF IS GONNA BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE SUP SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE CONDITIONS, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, SIR.
REAL QUICK, IF MA'AM, WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK, IF CAN HAVE YOU, ANYBODY CAN SPEAK ON ANY ITEM, THEY'LL GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS TO THE CITY SECRETARY FIRST, WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
FIRST WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
WOULD YOU MIND GIVING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY? UH, ZA.
AND, AND YOU'RE THE OPERATOR OF THE FACILITY? I AM.
AND, AND ABOUT HOW LONG HAVE Y'ALL BEEN OPERATING IT? UH, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
UH, AND HOW MANY, UH, HOW MANY, UH, OCCUPANTS DO YOU HAVE? THREE.
THREE? IS THAT THE, AND YOU'RE LICENSED? THREE IS THE MAXIMUM PER UNLICENSED, PER, PER STATE LAW FOR UNLICENSED THE HOMES.
SO, SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T EVER HAVE MORE THAN THREE? NO, SIR.
AND THEY, THEY LIVE HERE FULL-TIME, 24 HOURS? THAT'S CORRECT.
DO YOU HAVE, AND, AND SOMEONE STAYS THERE AT THE HOUSE ALL NIGHT, 24 7 LIVES THERE AT THE HOUSE WITH THEM? YES, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? AND YOU'RE LICENSED THROUGH THE STATE? I'M NOT LICENSED TO THE STATE.
SO THE STATE DOESN'T REQUIRE A LICENSE FOR A, A HOME FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE? IT DOES NOT, UNLESS YOU HAVE, UNLESS YOU INTEND TO HAVE MORE THAN THREE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAX THAT YOU WILL EVER BE ABLE TO HAVE? YES, SIR.
UNLESS I GET A LICENSE FROM THE STATE.
UM, IF YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION, WE CAN ALWAYS PUT SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT STATES THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL STATE AND LOCAL ORDINANCES REGARD REGARDING LICENSING.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMPLAINTS, ISSUES? NO, MA'AM.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
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THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES MA'AM.
WOULD YOU MIND GIVING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY? MY NAME IS JANE ELL, MY 6 72 BROOK GLEN COURT IN WAXAHATCHEE? YES, MA'AM.
FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? WELL, NEITHER.
THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE 24 HOURS A DAY, IS THAT THE ONLY PERSON OR WILL THERE BE A ROTATION AND ARE THESE CAREGIVERS CERTIFIED THROUGH THE STATE TO BE, UH, ONSITE CAREGIVERS.
WELL WHAT AFTERWARDS? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, COME BACK, COME BACK UP AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
ANYONE ELSE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
WOULD, WOULD, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ANSWER HER QUESTIONS? DO YOU THE, THE, THE CAREGIVER THAT'S IN THE HOUSE, IS IT THE SAME PERSON ALL THE TIME OR DO YOU HAVE ROTATING PEOPLE COME IN IN AND OUT? IT'S THE SAME PERSON.
OR IF THEY HAPPEN TO LEAVE THE HOUSE, SOMEONE COMES AND, AND LEAVES AND RELIEVES THEM.
IF THEY HAPPEN TO LEAVE, THEN I'LL GO THERE.
AND ARE THEY CERTIFIED AT ALL OR THEY HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED OR IS THERE THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED, BUT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE.
UH, AND THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE CERTIFIED.
UP TILL UP TO THREE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IT'S NON-MEDICAL CARE BASED ON THE REPORT, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T PRESCRIBE ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST KIND OF, YOU JUST KIND OF, THEY THEY HAVE THEIR OWN THAT DOES SUPERVIS YEAH.
I WAS LOOKING, I JUST WANNA SAY, BUT YEAH.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE.
[8. Consider recommendation of ZDC-89-2025 ]
WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZDC DASH 89 DASH 2025 PACIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A HOME FOR THE AGENT, UH, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OUR CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY.
AND DO WE NEED TO ADD WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT'S PART OF THE STAFF REPORT.
COMPLY WITH ALL STATE AND LOCAL ORDERS? YEAH.
AND UH, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.
SO, UH, NO MORE THAN THREE UNLICENSED? YEP.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[9. Public Hearing on a request by Gilberto Escobedo, Jr., for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a Short-Term Rental use within a Single-Family-3 (SF-3) zoning district located at 104 Ryburn Street (Property ID 175937) – Owner(s):LGE Investment Homes,LLC (ZDC-101-2025) ]
IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY GILBERTO ESCOBEDO JR.FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY THREE ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 1 0 4 ROBIN STREET.
PROPERTY ID 1 75 9 3 7 OWNER'S, LGE INVESTMENTS HOME L-L-C-Z-D-C DASH 1 0 1 DASH 2025 ON GREAT ZDC DASH 1 0 1 DASH 2025.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL USE AT 1 0 4 RYBURN STREET WITHIN THE SINGLE FAMILY THREE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ACROSS FROM LEE PENN PARK.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF 1412 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE WITH THREE BEDROOMS AND ENOUGH IMPROVED SURFACE FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE PARKING SPACES ON 0.11 ACRE LOT.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT BEEN OCCUPYING AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THEREFORE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING HOT TAXES.
ELLIS COUNTY DOES NOT REQUIRE, DOES NOT IDENTIFY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS A HOMESTEAD.
UH, DURING THE PLANNING ANALYSIS, STAFF INQUIRE WITH THE WAXAHATCHEE PD AND DISCOVERED NO NUISANCE RELATED CALLS.
THE LOCAL CONTACT IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY EIGHT MILES FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY STAFF.
RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 10 LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF, UH, Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE A DENSITY MAP THAT SHOWS YES.
WHERE, UM, OTHER SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE? YES.
SO THERE IS ONE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET NEXT DOOR.
IT WAS ONE THAT WAS, I REMEMBER APPROVING ONE ON THAT STREET.
YEAH, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, I THINK, I BELIEVE A MONTH AGO.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR STAMP? THANK YOU.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? IS THE APPLICANT
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HERE TONIGHT? YES.WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP?
DO YOU MIND GIVING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? CITY SIX? YES, I'M GILBERTO ESTO AND I LIVE AT ONE 20 DEER CREEK DRIVE IN WA, TEXAS.
UH, DID YOU HAVE, DID YOU BUILD THIS HOUSE? YES.
AND AND THAT, IS THAT YOURS NEXT DOOR TOO? YES.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
SO YOU'LL HAVE BOTH OF THESE SIDE BY SIDE, THEY'RE BOTH MANAGED BY THE SAME PEOPLE AND YES.
AND I GUESS THE INFORMATION PACKET AND ALL THAT IS, IS IN BOTH HOUSES? YES.
NOW HAVE YOU BEEN SUCCESSFUL NEXT DOOR? YES.
YOU KNOW, BACK TO SCHOOL AND ALL, BUT, UH, WE'VE HAD UH, I THINK IN THE LAST MONTH, MAYBE THREE.
AND EVERYTHING'S WORKED GREAT.
YOU NO PROBLEMS. AND YOU PREFER THIS OVER THE LONG TERM? YEAH, I DO.
I HAVE SOME LONG TERM YES PEOPLE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU SIR.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES SIR.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY.
I LIVE ON 1 0 9 ROSA STREET HERE IN WAXAHATCHEE.
UH, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UH, IT'S JUST, UH, MY CONCERN IS I MADE IT FOR THE OTHER HOUSE THAT HE, UH, SAYS THAT HE OWNED 1 0 6 RIB BEFORE IN THE PAST ABOUT FOR FIRE MARSHAL TO MAKE SURE THE END HAS A HAMMERHEAD, THE DISTANCE IF IT NEEDS IT FOR A HUNDRED FEET.
MAKE SURE ACCESS EGRESS IS SAFE, HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT TAKE OUT ANY NECESSARY, UH, ISSUES THAT'S PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, PUT INTO THE YARD TO MAKE MORE BETTER, YOU KNOW, OF EFFICIENCY SEAL ACCESS EGRESS OF THE STREET BEING, BEING A DEAD END STREET.
UM, THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS TURNED OUT AND IF THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK, BUT THAT'S MY ONLY REAL SAFETY CONCERNMENT THAT I FEEL FOR THESE PEOPLE WILL BE VISITORS.
THEY'RE NOT CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE.
I THINK ALL THE CORRECTIONS SHOULD BE, UH, UP TO DATE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.
UH, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT'S THE SECOND HOUSE ON THE STREET FROM GIBSON DAYNER AND FROM THE PICTURE THEY WERE SHOWING WHILE AGO, UH, THERE ARE APARTMENTS IN THIS TOWN THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE TO GO FURTHER TO GET TO THE FRONT DOOR THAN THAT HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
WHAT I RESEARCHED ON IT SAYS THAT FROM AGAINST THE DESERT THERE ALL THE WAY TO THE DEAD END UP TO 100 FEET, THEY HAD TO PROVIDE A HAMMER HEAD FOR ACCESS EGRESS.
IF THEY GET OVER HERE, GET TOO CROWDED UP, THE OTHER ONE'S ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE PICTURE LOOKS A LOT MORE SIMPLER THAN WHAT IT DOES IN, IN REALITY.
AND SO IF YOU GO OVER THERE IN REALITY, YOU'LL SEE A LOT DIFFERENCE IN THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE.
I'M SAYING IF THE FIRE TRUCK PARKED THERE ON DAY, THEY'D BE ABLE TO PULL TO THE FRONT DOOR EASIER THAN THEY WOULD ON SOME APARTMENTS HERE IN TOWN.
IT'S A NARROW STREET THAT MAKES IT LOOK WIDE RIGHT THERE.
THAT STREET THERE IS IS A LITTLE STRIPE RIGHT THERE.
BUT, BUT I'M, I'M SAYING IF THE FIRE FIRETRUCK STOPPED ON GSON, DAYNER NOT GOING DOWN THE STREET, IT WOULD BE SHORTER TO GET TO THEIR FRONT DOOR THAN, UH, SOME OF THE APARTMENTS.
BUT WE GOT TWO SHORT TERM RENTALS THERE.
THE OTHER ONE'S ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN NEAR, UH, COMPARED YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE AND LOOK AT IT IN REALITY.
SO THE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY THERE IS THAT THAT'S PROBABLY WOULD GO TO THE FIRE MARSHAL TO DETERMINE THAT THAT'S WHAT ALL WE CAN CONSIDER TONIGHT IS THIS ONE.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE OTHER ONE'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA.
WELL I GUESS THAT'D BE SOMETHING THE CITY I'D JUST BRING UP THE PLANNING ZONING PASSAGE TO COUNCIL ON THE SAFETY PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, CITY PART.
WHENEVER YOU START, UH, ISSUING OUT, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, YOU KNOW, PERMITS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THE AREA IS SAFE ENOUGH FOR THAT PART THERE TOO AS WELL.
THEY COULD STILL HAVE IT, BUT IT STILL NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS THERE FOR Y'ALL TO ALSO INSPECT.
WELL, I FEEL WHENEVER YOU GO APPLY TO THESE THINGS ON DEAD END TREES.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER, JUST KIND OF SPEAKING ON THAT, UM, THE, THE ONLY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE HERE BY RIGHT? UH, THEY WOULD, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL IS REQUIRED TO MEET THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING.
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IF, UH, THIS INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS THIS PROPERTY DECIDE TO HAVE AS A REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANY ADDITIONAL PROCESS TO BE BUILT HERE.IT WOULD JUST BE THE PERMIT PROCESS AND THEN THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
'CAUSE THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED SUBDIVISION, PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, SEEING NO ONE WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CHAIR WILL
[10. Consider recommendation of ZDC-101-2025 ]
ENTERTAIN A MOTION.I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF SEAT OF ZDC DASH 1 0 1 DASH 2025.
A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL USE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OR CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[11. Public Hearing on a request by Deanna Carter for a Zoning Change from a Future Development (FD) zoning district to a Rural Residential (RR) zoning district, located at 1183 Lone Elm Road (Property ID 180654) - Owner: Deanna Carter (ZDC-104-2025)]
NEXT ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY DEANNA CARTER FOR A ZONING CHANGE FROM A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT TO A RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED 1183 LONE ELMORE ROAD PROPERTY ID 1 8 0 6 5 4.OWNER DEANNA CARTER ZDC DASH 1 0 4 DASH 2025.
CHAIRMAN AGENDA ITEM 11, AS YOU MENTIONED FOR ZDC 1 0 4 20 25 IS GONNA BE A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FROM A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO A RURAL RESIDENTIAL OR RR ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS IS LOCATED AT 1183 L ELM ROAD.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A LITTLE OVER 10 ACRES IN SIZE AND IS SITUATED ON, UH, WHAT YOU COULD REFER TO AS A FINGER OF THE CITY LIMITS THAT STICKS OUT TO THE WEST OF TOWN.
UH, IT'S NOTABLE THAT THERE ARE ONLY A FEW PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA THAT ARE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
SO EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THESE RED BOUNDARIES THAT YOU SEE IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE THE CITY.
IT'S UNDER ELLIS COUNTY JURISDICTION.
THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED IN 2005 AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PROPERTIES ANNEXED IS IT IS ASSIGNED BY DEFAULT INTO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT AT THAT TIME.
AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS STILL IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT SIMPLY MEANS THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO ZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY THAT'S COME THROUGH SINCE IT WAS ANNEXED IN 2005.
THERE'S A FEW ITEMS TO NOTE IN THE FD DISTRICT THAT IS, IT HAS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT OF THREE ACRES AND A MINIMUM LOT FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT OF 250 FEET.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE HAS ABOUT 400 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON LOAN ELM ROAD, EVEN THOUGH IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THAT THREE ACRES.
THE REASON THE APPLICANT'S HERE BEFORE US TONIGHT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE HOPING TO SPLIT THE PROPERTY INTO TWO LOTS IN THE FUTURE.
IN ORDER TO, TO DO THAT THEY DO NEED TO GO TO THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR A LOWER LOT FRONTAGE.
SO IT ONLY REQUIRES 150 FEET OF LOT FRONTAGE VERSUS THAT TWO 50, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE ENOUGH FRONTAGE TO BE ABLE TO GET UP TO TWO LOTS.
THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT CARRIES A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES VERSUS THE THREE THAT'S CURRENTLY REQUIRED IN THE FD DISTRICT.
ANOTHER ITEM DENOTE IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE EXISTING PROPERTIES AROUND THE SITE HERE ARE LESS THAN THE TWO ACRE, UH, MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF THE RESIDENTIAL RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THEY VARY IN SIZE FROM ABOUT A HALF ACRE UP TO 1.25 ACRES IN SIZE.
SO A CHANGE, UH, TO ALLOW TWO ACRE LOTS AT A MINIMUM IS CERTAINLY STILL WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA AS WELL, WHICH IDENTIFIES THIS AS A, AS A RURAL AREA.
WITH THAT IN MIND, I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT STAFF HAS RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS REQUEST.
NO LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT DOES NOT TRIGGER THE UH, 20% OPPOSITION THRESHOLD.
STAFF IS GONNA BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
UH, SUBJECT TO UH, THE STAFF REPORT THAT'S HERE BEFORE YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE REQUEST, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THOSE.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS HERE AS WELL.
THANK YOU ZACH, YOU WANNA HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ZACH, IS THERE A, A HOUSE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT IN RURAL RESIDENTIAL? UH, THERE IS, UH, I I BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT AT 2000 SQUARE FEET.
WE CAN GET YOU THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE THOUGH.
AND THE HOUSE HAS TO BE BUILT TO CITY WAXAHATCHEE STANDARDS.
THIS IS STILL IN THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE.
SO ANY NEW HOME BUILT ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ALL THE CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS.
SO THE APPLICANT HERE? YES MA'AM.
DO YOU MIND GIVING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY? DEANNA CARTER STOCKTON, 1183 LNO ROAD.
YOU'RE JUST GOING ONE LOT INTO TWO LOTS, RIGHT? YES SIR.
AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT AND ALL OF THE CITY BUILDING CODES AND REQUIREMENTS SIR, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU MA'AM.
ANYONE OF THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES SIR.
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1107 LONE ELM ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO THAT PROPERTY.OH, I'M JUST WONDERING, UM, IF A PERMISSION FOR TWO LOTS IS OBTAINED, CAN THAT BE CHANGED TO MORE LOTS? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS ALONG THE FRONTAGE FOR MORE THAN TWO LOTS.
BASED ON THE ZONING DISTRICT THEY'RE REQUESTING THEY COULD GET A MAXIMUM OF TWO LOTS RIGHT? JUST BECAUSE OF THE FRONTAGE.
ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE? WE WILL
[12. Consider recommendation of ZDC-104-2025]
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION I MOVE TO RECOMMEND.APPROVAL OF ZDC DASH 1 0 4 DASH 2025 IS ZONING CHANGE AT 1183 L ELM ROAD FROM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OR CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[5. Public Hearing on a request by Quinn Foster, Manhard Consulting, for a Zoning Change from a Single-Family-1 (SF-1) zoning district to Planned Development – General Retail (PD-GR) zoning district located directly north of 2400 North US Highway 77 (Property ID 189302) – Owner(s): Snow Peach Legacy Family Holding Spendthrift Trust (ZDC-75- 2025) ]
GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST BY QUINN FOSTER MAND CONSTRUCTION FOR A ZONING CHANGE FROM A SINGLE FAMILY ONE ZONING DISTRICT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED DIRECTLY NORTH OF 2,400 NORTH US HIGHWAY 77 PROPERTY ID 1 8 9 3 0 2 OWNERS SNOW PEACH LEGACY FAMILY HOLDING SPEND THRIFT TRUST ZDC DASH 75 DASH 2025.TRENTON IS IT YOU? I'M GONNA TAKE THAT ONE AGAIN.
SO AGENDA ITEM FIVE FOR ZDC 75.
2025 AS YOU MENTIONED IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUEST.
UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT GENERAL RETAIL IS THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT FOR A SAM'S CLUB.
ITS PROPERTY IS SITUATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF CARDINAL ROAD AND HIGHWAY 77 AND EXTENDS UP TO THE INTERSECTION WITH GROVE CREEK ROAD TO THE NORTH.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY IN A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT AND AS I MENTIONED, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO GO TO THE UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT.
A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT SAM'S CLUB AND I'M GONNA PULL UP THE SITE PLAN FOR US HERE WHILE WE DISCUSS THESE DETAILS.
UH, THE STORE IS PROPOSED TO BE SITUATED NEAR THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY HERE PARALLEL WITH GROVE CREEK.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 166,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO OPERATE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM AND SUNDAYS FROM 10:00 AM TO 6:00 PM THEY'RE EXPECTING TO EMPLOY ABOUT 210 INDIVIDUALS AT THIS LOCATION.
THERE'S A FEW ACCESSORY USES THAT ARE PROPOSED IN ADDITION TO THE CLUB RETAIL STORE.
THAT'S THE PRIMARY ANCHOR BUILDING HERE.
THEY ARE PROPOSING A FUEL STATION NEAR THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WHERE YOU SEE MY CURSOR HERE THAT WILL HAVE UP TO 12 GASOLINE PUMPS.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A PROPANE PROPANE REFILL, REFUEL STATION, EXCUSE ME, A TIRE CENTER AND A SMALL OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREA NEAR THE FRONT OF THE STORE HERE.
WE'LL HAVE SOME RENDERINGS THAT SHOW THE BUILDING IN A LITTLE GREATER DETAIL HERE IN JUST A MOMENT.
THERE'S A FEW OTHER DETAILS TO POINT OUT.
AS FAR AS PARKING, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE 830 PARKING SPACES.
THEY ARE EXCEEDING THAT SLIGHTLY BY PROVIDING 845 IN TOTAL.
THAT DOES ACCOUNT FOR THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH THE STORE AND THE ACCESSORY USES THE PRIMARY BILL.
PRIMARY BUILDING THAT YOU SEE HERE DOES MEET ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF THE GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT AND THEY ACTUALLY EXCEED THOSE UH, QUITE THOROUGHLY.
THEY ARE SET BACK 648 FEET FROM THE NEAREST EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT.
A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS TO NOTE HERE IS THAT THE LOADING AREA, THE LOADING AND TRASH COM COMPACTOR AREA IS SITUATED HERE ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT IS SET BACK, UH, 900 FEET FROM THE NEAREST EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT AND AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME SCREENING FOR THAT AREA AS WELL TO FURTHER MITIGATE THE ACTIVITY THAT WILL TAKE PLACE IN THAT PORTION OF THE SITE.
THEY HAVE ALSO PROVIDED FOR TWO DETENTION AREAS ON THE SITE TO FULLY MITIGATE ANY DRAINAGE OR DETENTION NEEDS FROM THE STORE IN THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
ONE OF THOSE IS PROPOSED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY HERE AND THE OTHER IS SITUATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF CARDINAL ROAD AND HIGHWAY 77 IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE ARE FOUR POINTS OF ACCESS THAT ARE PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT HERE, THREE OF WHICH ARE PROPOSED OFF OF A CARDINAL ROAD EXTENSION.
SO THIS GOING ALONG THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WHERE MY CURSOR IS, IS A PROPOSED FOUR LANE EXTENSION OF CARDINAL ROAD FROM THE INTERSECTION WITH HIGHWAY 77 FROM WHICH THREE OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS I MENTIONED WILL BE PLACED OFF OF.
THEY ARE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT OFF OF GROVE CREEK TO THE NORTH AND WE'LL COVER HERE IN A MOMENT SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY'RE PROPOSING TO THE EXISTING ROADWAYS TO FACILITATE THOSE CONNECTIONS.
DELIVERY TRUCKS IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, ARE PROPOSED TO ENTER OFF OF CARDINAL ROAD BUT ONLY EXIT OFF OF GROVE CREEK.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO RESTRICT GROVE CREEK TO A RIGHT OUT ONLY, UH, CONDITION THAT WOULD ALLOW THOSE TRUCKS TO HEAD NORTH ON HIGHWAY 77 THAT WOULD PREVENT VEHICLES OR OR HEAVY VEHICLES RATHER FROM TRYING TO CUT ACROSS TRAFFIC ON HIGHWAY 77 AT EITHER THE GROVE CREEK INTERSECTION OR THE SIGNAL AT CARDINAL ROAD AND HIGHWAY 77.
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THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW BY STAFF, UH, THAT PROPOSES SOME OFFSITE CHANGES AGAIN TO HELP FACILITATE PROPER TRAFFIC FLOW WITH THE INCREASED IN IN TRAFFIC TO THE SITE THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BY THE SAM'S CLUB.THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS FORMALLY APPROVED AT THE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION STAGE OF THE PROCESS, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BRIEFLY HERE IN JUST A MOMENT.
I DO WANNA MOVE BACK TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN HERE BRIEFLY.
I BROUGHT UP THE CARDINAL ROAD EXTENSION THAT'S PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND WHILE WE WAIT FOR THIS TO LOAD, I'LL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO EXTEND, AS I MENTIONED, FOUR LANES OF CARDINAL ROAD, UH, FROM THE CURRENT INTERSECTION ACROSS THE SITE TO THE EAST AND EVENTUALLY TIE INTO VISTA WAY.
UH, THIS IS A LOOK AT THE 2019 THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT THOROUGHFARE CONCEPTUALLY AND THE 2024 PLAN MIRRORS THAT WITH A MINOR UH, DEVIATION IN THE ALIGNMENT HERE.
THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THE APPLICANT IS STILL PROPOSING TO FULLY MAKE THIS CONNECTION ACROSS THEIR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO EXTEND THE FOUR LANES ACROSS THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT OUTLINED IN BLUE.
TO GET TO VISTA WAY HERE, I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT I MENTIONED TO THE OFFSITE FACILITIES.
THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE BUT JUST PROVIDED HERE TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY.
UH, AT THE GROVE CREEK AND HIGHWAY 77 INTERSECTION TO OBLIGATE A RIDE IN RIDE OUT MOVEMENT HERE THIS IS AN EXHIBIT SHOWING THE TRUCK MANEUVERING OFF THE SITE ONTO GROVE CREEK ROAD AND ONTO HIGHWAY 77 WITH A PROPOSED, UH, RAISED MEDIAN HERE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
THIS RAISED MEDIAN IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS REQUIRED WITH RECENTLY WITH THE SPROUTS PROJECT AND IS ON THE GROUND WITH UH, PROJECTS LIKE TOM THUMB AND THE BJS THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED ON HIGHWAY 77.
AGAIN TO RESTRICT FOLKS FROM TRYING TO TURN LEFT ACROSS TRAFFIC ONTO HIGHWAY 77.
THIS IS ANOTHER CONCEPTUAL EXHIBIT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SHOWING WHAT WOULD LIKELY BE THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS TO HIGHWAY 77 TO FACILITATE ENTRY ONTO THE CARDINAL ROAD EXTENSION.
UH, RIGHT HERE WHERE MY CURSOR'S AT IS THE CURRENT CARDINAL ROAD AND HIGHWAY 77 TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
THEY'RE SHOWING A RIGHT TURN ONLY LANE, UH, WITH AN APRON AS WELL.
AGAIN, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE FINALIZED AT THE TIME OF CIVIL CONSTRUCTION PERMIT.
IT HAS TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING STAFF HERE AT THE CITY.
AND FINALLY, THIS IS A LOOK AT THE FULL CARDINAL ROAD EXTENSION THAT THEY'RE HOPING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS PROJECT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OUT TO VISTA WAY TO THE EAST.
MOVING ON BRIEFLY TO LANDSCAPING, I MENTIONED SOME SIGNIFICANT SCREENING THAT THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY NEAR THE, UH, TRUCK DOCKS AND AND LOADING AREA BACK HERE.
THAT SCREENING IS COMING IN THE FORM PRIMARILY OF HEAVY LANDSCAPING.
THERE IS A OVERHEAD ELECTRIC EASEMENT THAT'S APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED FEET WIDE.
SO IF YOU'LL SEE THAT HERE, THAT WITH NO PLANTINGS PROVIDED, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE EASEMENT HOLDER WITH THOSE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC, UH, POWER LINES.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW ANY LANDSCAPING THERE.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS PUSHED THEIR SITE BOUNDARIES OUT TO THE EAST TO PROVIDE ENOUGH ROOM TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE, UH, SOME HEAVY SCREENING IN LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT EASTERN BOUNDARY.
YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED A CONDITION HERE ON THE EASTERN SIDE THAT THESE PLANTINGS BE EVERGREEN IN NATURE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SCREENING IS SOMETHING THAT'S PRESENT ALL YEAR ROUND AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE SPRING OR THE SUMMER.
I'M GONNA MOVE TO A SLIGHTLY MORE ZOOMED IN VERSION OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HERE TO IDENTIFY THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S PROPOSED ON ALONG CARDINAL ROAD.
THEY DO HAVE A PORTION OF PROPERTY, UH, FOR THE DETENTION BASIN HERE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT CARDINAL ROAD EXTENSION THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE FOR THAT DETENTION I MENTIONED AND EXCLUSIVELY AS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
YOU CAN SEE THE DOUBLE STACK TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED ALONG THE INITIAL ENTRANCE OF CARDINAL ROAD THAT DOES CONTINUE OUT TO THE EAST ALONG CARDINAL ROAD AT REGULAR INTERVALS.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE PRESENT ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE NEXT TO THE TRWD FACILITY AND THAT EXTEND ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING FENCES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH.
THAT BEING THE ARBOR'S NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF HAS ADDED AN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION FOR LANDSCAPING OF THIS CARDINAL ROAD EXTENSION, THAT BEING THAT CANOPY TREES FOUR INCH AND CALIPER BE PLACED IN THE CARDINAL ROAD MEDIAN AND MAINTAINED BY THE APPLICANT, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO NORTH GROVE BOULEVARD, UH, IS WHAT YOU COULD PICTURE THERE FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION.
ALTHOUGH WITH A SLIGHTLY LESS, UH, REGULAR SPACING INTERVAL, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THIS RENDERING OF THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE FACILITY ALONG WITH SOME DETAILED ELEVATION AND FACADE PLANS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
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THE PRIMARY PROPOSED EX CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, EXCUSE ME, ARE GONNA BE STUCCO PAIRED WITH CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS OR CMU BLOCKS THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE SIDE OF THE FACILITY.THE SIGNAGE THAT YOU SEE HERE IS PROPOSED IN THE PD AS WELL WE'LL GET TO IN A MOMENT.
THEY DO HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN AT THE CORNER OF CARDINAL ROAD AND HIGHWAY 77.
THAT'S PROPOSED AS PART OF THE PD AS WELL.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED A ROOF PLAN THAT SHOWS ALL OF THEIR ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT AND THERE IS QUITE A BIT WILL BE FULLY SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET FOR ADDITIONAL DETAILED REVIEW.
THE FUEL STATION CANOPY DOES MAKE USE OF THE SAME SAM'S CLUB COLOR PALETTE AND SIMILAR MATERIALS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BJ'S, UH, WHOLESALE CLUB TO THE SOUTH COMMITTED TO AS WELL TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY ACROSS THEIR SITE.
SO SAMS HAS DONE THAT AS WELL.
THIS IS A LOOK AT THAT LARGE SCALE MONUMENT SIGN.
THIS PROPOSED HERE AT THE CORNER OF HIGHWAY 77 AND CARDINAL ROAD.
IT WILL INCLUDE A FUEL PRICER.
FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN FOR THE LIGHTING THAT'S PROPOSED ALONG THE BUILDING, THE FUEL STATION AND THEIR PARKING LOT HERE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE, FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE WAXAHATCHEE LIGHTING AND GLARE STANDARDS, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY SORT OF LIGHT TRESPASS ONTO THE EXISTING OR POTENTIALLY FUTURE RESIDENCES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.
UH, THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE ANY OF THE LIGHT FIXTURES THAT ARE ON THE SITE, WHETHER THEY BE UH, POLE MOUNTED IN THE PARKING LOT OR ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING OR FUEL STATION, DO HAVE TO BE DIRECTED DOWNWARDS TOWARDS THE SITE AND FULLY SHIELDED TO MITIGATE ANY LIGHT TRESPASS ON THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SO STAFF HAS VERIFIED THAT THE SITE'S BEEN DESIGNED AND THOSE FIXTURES HAVE BEEN DESIGNED TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
STAFF HAS RECEIVED A TOTAL OF SIX LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND 10 LETTERS OF OPPOSITION TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUEST.
THAT'S WITHIN THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION BUFFER THAT WE SEND OUT PUBLIC LETTERS FOR IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT STAFF HAS RECEIVED A PETITION WITH 47 SIGNATURES ON IT THAT IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.
SIGNATURES ON THAT PETITION DO COME FROM A WIDE RANGE, UH, AROUND TOWN, SO THEY'RE NOT DISPLAYED ON THIS MAP.
WITH ALL THIS CONSIDERED STAFF IS GONNA BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PD REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THOSE CONDITIONS IN FURTHER DETAIL OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.
THEY HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT OR YOU'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, SIR.
I'LL WE'LL ASK A BUNCH, GO BACK TO STAFF.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR CITY SECRETARY? YES, SIR.
I AM THE DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS FOR WALMART AND SAM'S CLUB OUTTA SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS AT 1 6 5 0 3 NACODOCHES ROAD.
I DID SEND JUST A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT I THINK WILL COVER WHAT WASN'T COVERED MORE FROM A CORPORATE PRESENCE.
UM, AND DOES THE, DOES THE CLICKER WORK FOR THE YEP.
UH, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A SAND CLUB AT GLANCE VIEW, UM, OF OUR PRESENCE IN TEXAS, UM, WE HAVE 600 CLUBS NATIONWIDE, ABOUT 82 IN, IN TEXAS, UH, 15,000 ASSOCIATES IN TEXAS.
WE CONSIDER OUR SALES PREMIUM RETAIL.
UH, YOU HAVE TO BECOME A MEMBER TO BE ABLE TO ENTER THE BUILDING.
IT'S NOT AN OPEN ACCESS, UH, RETAIL BUILDING.
UM, IT IS A MEMBERSHIP CLUB, AS I MENTIONED.
AND, UH, WE ARE, ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION AS WELL, FROM A CORPORATE SIDE, WE HAVE INDUSTRY LEADING PHILANTHROPY.
UH, SAM'S CLUB DOES A NATIONWIDE, ACTUALLY REALLY, UH, GLOBAL, UH, DAY OF SERVICE IN APRIL THAT IS RECEIVED MANY AWARDS BECAUSE ALL OF OUR ASSOCIATES GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY ALL, ALL AT ONCE AND, AND, UM, HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS SOMETHING UNIQUE, UH, ECONOMIC, ECONOMIC DRIVERS FOR THE CITY THAT I JUST WANTED TO DRAW TO YOUR ATTENTION.
UH, THEY'RE VERY GOOD PAYING DOUBLE, TRIPLE, UH, THE, UH, MINIMUM WAGE IN THE STARTING, UH, ON, ON THE STARTING UH, BASIS.
WE DON'T PAY ANY MINIMUM WAGE JOBS.
THEY'RE ALL IN THE 18 TO $36 RANGE, UH, FOR STARTING, UH, ASSOCIATES AT, UH, SAM'S CLUB.
UH, WE DO OFFER FREE COLLEGE TO ALL OF OUR ASSOCIATES.
SO ONCE YOU BEGIN, WE HAVE, UH, A PROGRAM THAT WE CALL, UH, LIVE BETTER.
YOU LIVE BETTER UNIVERSITY AND WE HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH SEVERAL UNIVERSITIES TO INCLUDE ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY WHERE YOU CAN TAKE CLASSES FOR FREE AS YOU'RE AN ASSOCIATE AND EVENTUALLY MOVE UP THE COMPANY.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS YOU'D IMAGINE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO RUN 600 STORES, THE AMOUNT OF TALENT THAT THAT TAKES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GROWING, IS SIGNIFICANT.
SO WE GOTTA KEEP INVESTING IN OUR, IN OUR EMPLOYEES.
UH, WE'RE OFTEN, UH, OFFERING TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT.
THE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE SAMS CLUB, IF WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO COME TO
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TOWN, IS GOING TO BE MORE COMM WITH THE TECHNOLOGY YOU'LL SEE IN GRAPEVINE.SO WE HAVEN'T OPENED A NEW SAMS CLUB UNTIL THIS YEAR.
WE HADN'T OPENED ONE FOR ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.
A TORNADO TOOK DOWN THE ONE IN GRAPEVINE AND WE WEREN'T SURE IF WE WERE GONNA, WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP CLOSING IT BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE AND WE WEREN'T SURE WE WERE GONNA REOPEN IT.
WE ENDED UP REOPENING IT AND BRINGING IT UP TO A STATE OF THE ART, UH, FACILITY.
AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF NEW TECHNOLOGY LIKE SCAN AND GO WHERE YOU CAN JUST LOAD ALL YOUR PRODUCTS, YOU CAN EITHER SCAN 'EM OR YOU CAN JUST WALK OUT AND THE TECHNOLOGY READS WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND AS YOU'D IMAGINE, THAT REQUIRES ADDITIONAL TRAINING FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE KEEPING UP WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO OUR, OUR CLUBS.
UH, WE HAVE SINCE OPENED ONE ANOTHER ONE IN PHOENIX.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHERE IN IN THE QUEUE THIS WOULD BE, BUT YOU'D BE ONE OF THE FIVE OR SO STATE-OF-THE-ART SAM'S CLUBS IN THE COUNTRY.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE EVERY OTHER SAM'S CLUB, IT IS GONNA BE THE STATE-OF-THE-ART 2025 AGAIN, UH, OUT OF THE 600 OR SO YOU'D BE IN THE TOP FIVE, UH, OR SO THE CLUBS WITH THE, WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY.
UH, ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DRIVERS, WE ARE A STRONG CONSISTENT TAX BASE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY TAX BASE, UH, DEPENDS LARGELY ON HOW MUCH YOU'RE SELLING, BUT SAM'S CLUB IS ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES THAT IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT TO RECEIVE.
UH, AND THERE ARE TAXES FOR BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
UH, ON THE CITY SIDE, YOU'LL RECEIVE THE SALES TAXES.
ON THE COUNTY SIDE IS THE PROPERTY TAXES, AND THOSE ARE OFTEN GENERAL FUNDS THAT CAN THEN BE REAPPROPRIATED TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT, TOWARDS DRAINAGE ROAD EXPANSION.
UH, SO IT IS OUR HOPE AND YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR THOUGHT THAT A LOT OF THOSE TAXES THAT ARE COMING IN EVERY YEAR CAN BE USED TO REINVEST IN IMPROVING A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
UH, WE, WE WOULD ALSO JOIN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
WE HAVE STARTED CONVERSATIONS WITH, I BELIEVE HIS NAME IS KEVIN WALLACE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHAMBER.
UH, WE WOULD BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY THROUGH OUR SAM'S CLUB.
OF COURSE, OUR PRIMARY VALUE AS WE SEIZE IT, AS WE SEE IT, EXCUSE ME, IS UM, THE VALUE THAT WE OFFER OUR CLIENTS, OUR MEMBERS, UH, WHICH IS EVERYDAY STAPLES TO INCLUDE PERSONAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS.
UH, OUR PHARMACY HAS RECEIVED THE BEST RETAIL PHARMACY AWARD IN THE COUNTRY.
UH, WE HAVE GREAT PHARMACISTS ON SITE THAT CAN CONSULT YOU ABOUT YOUR HEALTH, UH, GIVE YOU ADVICE ABOUT THE MEDICATIONS YOU'RE TAKING.
IS, HAS EXTENDED HOURS, UH, LATE IN THE EVENING AND ON WEEKENDS AS YOU HEARD.
WE'RE OPEN UNTIL 8:00 PM ON MOST DAYS.
AND WE'RE ALSO OPEN ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS, WHICH A LOT OF PHARMACIES DON'T OFFER THOSE TYPES OF EXTENDED SERVICES SERVICES.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME FRESH FOOD OPTIONS, UH, FUEL, WHICH AS, AS YOU'D IMAGINE, AND AS YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU GO TO, UH, SAM'S CLUB FUEL, THE THE PRICES ARE USUALLY, UH, QUITE COMPETITIVE AND IS A VERY POPULAR SERVICE.
UM, ABOUT HALF OF OUR MEMBERS ARE SMALL BUSINESSES.
IT'S NOT A A A FACT THAT IS WIDELY KNOWN, BUT I THINK IF YOU WERE TO SURVEY YOUR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS, UH, SMALL BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT REQUIRE THINGS THAT WE SELL IN BULK, UH, A LOT OF 'EM ARE SHOPPING AT WAREHOUSES.
UM, AND SO YOU HAVE A, A VIBRANT SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN WAXAHATCHEE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WHY WE WANT TO BE HERE THAT MAKES IT ATTRACTIVE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST FOR REGULAR CONSUMERS.
IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S ABOUT HALF AND HALF, UH, BETWEEN SMALL BUSINESSES AND, AND CONSUMERS.
UH, AND THEN ALSO IT'S SAFE AND CONVENIENT.
UM, WAXAHATCHEE IS A, IS A VERY SAFE CITY, UH, COMPARED TO SOME OF THE MAJOR URBAN AREAS, UH, WHERE WE SEE OTHER RETAIL OPERATE.
UH, AND THEN ON ALSO THE MEMBERSHIP, UH, MODEL, UH, MAKES AND, AND WE ARE NOT OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY.
UH, SO THAT ALL MAKES FOR A VERY SAFE AND CONVENIENT, UH, COMMUNITY FRIENDLY EXPERIENCE.
UH, JUST ONE MORE, ONE MORE SLIDE 'CAUSE I WANTED TO KEEP IT VERY BRIEF TO GIVE PLENTY OF, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR QUESTIONS.
WHY WAXAHATCHEE AND WHY AT THIS LOCATION? UH, IT'S, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WE RECEIVED THE MOST.
WE DID HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON JULY 24TH, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
UM, WE HAD ABOUT 20 OR 30 PEOPLE ATTEND.
AND I THINK ASIDE FROM TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE QUESTIONS THAT WERE MOSTLY DIRECTED AT, UH, PUBLIC AGENCIES, THE QUESTION THAT WAS MOSTLY DIRECTED AT US WAS THIS, WHAT THIS SLIDE ADDRESSES.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN, FOR US IT'S FORTUNATELY, I KNOW SOME FOLKS MIGHT SEE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT, UH, WAXAHATCHEE IS GROWING SO MUCH.
UM, UH, I MEAN WE'RE SEEING THE GROWTH JUST AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE IS SEEING.
UH, WHENEVER YOU HAVE A GROWTH NOT ONLY OF POPULATION, THE YOUTH, THIS IS A VERY YOUNG COMMUNITY.
UH, THE ROOFTOPS GOING UP THE SMALL BUSINESS VIBRANT SECTOR, IT IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE AREA FOR US TO BE.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE HADN'T REALLY BEEN OPENING A LOT OF NEW SAM'S CLUBS IN THE LAST FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS OR SO.
SO WE NEED TO CATCH UP WITH THE GROWTH TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.
HIGHWAY 77 IS A DESIGNATED BUSINESS DISTRICT, SO WHENEVER WE LOOK AT SITES, WE LOOK AT, UH, YOU KNOW, AT BUSINESS DISTRICTS WITH A LOT OF TRAFFIC, A LOT OF SHOPPERS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT, UH, SITE MADE SENSE.
UH, AND ALSO WE, WE WERE ABLE TO GET ENOUGH LAND SO THAT WE COULD DESIGN THE CLUB THAT WE WANNA DESIGN AMPLE ENOUGH FOR TODAY.
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AND FOR FUTURE GROWTH.UM, I DO HAVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS THERE AS WELL FOR THE PUBLIC IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEND EMAILS, UM, OR QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T GET TO TODAY.
UH, WE'RE ALSO JOINED IN CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR CLUB OPERATIONS.
JOHN GASTON IS OUR, UH, MARKET MANAGER, UH, THAT COVERS ABOUT 20 SAM'S CLUBS AND DFW.
HE CAN ANSWER ANY CLUB OPERATION QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEERING TEAM, UM, THEY MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN LOCKED OUT.
WHERE ARE THEY? OKAY, THERE WE GO.
AND UH, AND THEN OUR, UH, OUR ARCHITECT IS ALSO HERE, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? WHAT, UH, WHAT IS THE LATEST TIME? DID YOU SAY 8:00 PM WOULD BE THE LATEST TIME THAT Y'ALL ARE OPEN? CORRECT.
JOHN, YOU GOTTA COME UP HERE I THINK.
AND THEN I'M ALSO INTERESTED JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF A COMMUNITY PARTNER A BUSINESS WILL BE.
UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE PROGRAMS, I KNOW A LOT OF THE GROCERY STORES IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, HAVE PROGRAMS WHERE THEY GIVE OVERSTOCK TO SOME OF OUR LOCAL FOOD BANKS.
DO Y'ALL HAVE PROGRAMS LIKE THAT IN PLACE? YES.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, FIRST OFF, JOHN GASTON 49 32, UM, MCKINNEY HOLLOW DRIVE, MCKINNEY, TEXAS.
UM, YOUR FIRST QUESTION? UM, EIGHT O'CLOCK CLOSE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, THAT IS THE LATEST THAT ANY SAM'S CLUB IS OPEN.
AND AS FAR AS COMMUNITY EVENTS AND BEING A, A PARTNER OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S WHAT WE TAKE PRIDE IN.
SO EVERY CLUB IS ALLOCATED OR FROM 7,500 TO $10,000 IN GRANT MONEY EACH FISCAL YEAR.
AND THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, THOSE WERE ALL GRANTS THAT WE DID GRAND OPENING THAT TOTALED OVER $75,000 FOR GRAPEVINE.
UM, I WAS ACTUALLY JUST IN GRAPEVINE TODAY AND NOTICED SOME FELLOW POLICE OFFICERS WHO HELPED OUT WITH OUR GRAND OPENING AND THOSE ASSOCIATES KNOW THOSE MEMBERS, WHICH IS MORE SO FAMILY BY NAME ANYTIME THAT THEY COME IN AND SERVE.
AND JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, IT'S ALSO REALLY A GOOD RELATIONSHIP THERE AS WELL, EACH AND EVERY SINGLE FACILITY.
ANYONE ELSE? I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
YOU, YOU, YOU MAY KNOW OR A CIVIL ENGINEER THE YOU'RE ACQUIRING JUST WHERE THE SAM'S CLUB IS GOING TO BE OR DOES THAT TRACK GO FURTHER BACK TOWARDS THE EAST? MATT, YOU WANNA, YOU GOTTA GO UP TO THE MIC.
MATTHEW SMITH, UH, 3 41 HERO COURT, WAXAHATCHEE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
SO IF WE GO BACK, YEAH, ZACH'S GOT IT.
SO BASICALLY, UH, SAM WAS REQUIRING ABOUT 60 ACRES HERE, THIS WHOLE AREA.
ZACH, YOU CAN PROBABLY SHOW UP GETTING THE OBJECTOR.
UM, CURRENT PLAN IS TO REZONE EXCLUSIVELY THE PORTION THAT IS BEING USED FOR THE SAM'S CLUB TO RETAIL.
EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE BACK WILL STAY SINGLE FAMILY.
WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF CHANGING IT.
THAT'S, THAT WAS, THAT'S WHAT I
IS, IS THIS ZONING ONLY APPLIES TO THAT, THAT WHERE THE SAM'S CLUB WILL BE LOCATED? CORRECT.
THIS IS A PRETTY TYPICAL BUSINESS MODEL YES.
TO PUT A WAREHOUSE TYPE FACILITY KIND OF IN AND IN OR AROUND SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
UH, FOR, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR SAM'S CLUB.
UM, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE LESS ABOUT PUTTING IT NEAR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF GROWTH, THE POPULATION GROWTH, THE YOUTH, UM, THE TRAFFIC, AND THEN WHERE CAN WE FIND THE LAND IN THE CLOSEST PROXIMITY.
SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY LOOK FOR SINGLE FAMILY OR, OR UH, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
WE'RE EXACTLY, WE DO LOOK FOR RESIDENTIAL YES.
UH, THAT WE DO, UM, WITHIN A SPECIFIC RADIUS.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALMOST MORE INTERESTED IN TRAFFIC COUNT THAN ROOFTOPS? I WOULD SAY WE'RE, WE'RE EQUALLY, YEAH.
I WOULD SAY WE'RE, WE'RE EQUALLY.
'CAUSE YOU ALSO THINKING ABOUT UH, UH, AN EMPLOYMENT BASE, RIGHT? LIKE I SAID, 200 AND 250 EMPLOYEES, UH, YOU GET CHURN, UH RIGHT.
YOU GET PEOPLE RETIRED, PEOPLE GO OFF TO COLLEGE, PEOPLE MOVE UP, UM, YOU KNOW, GO TO DIFFERENT.
AND SO THE CHURN OF THE EMPLOYMENT BASE, YOU ALSO NEED EMPLOYEES.
SO YOU DO NEED RESIDENCES, YOU DO NEED A STABLE, IT CAN'T ALL BE TRANSIENT.
YOU, YOU, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RUN A BUSINESS THAT WAY.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION.
ON YOUR ORIGINAL SLIDE, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT TAXES.
DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OR GOOD GUESS
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ABOUT HOW MUCH OF YOUR GROSS SALES TAX INCOME? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA BE, HOW MUCH OF THAT, LETS SAY YOU HAVE 160 MILLION, HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD BE SALES TAX APPROPRIATE? YEAH, SO THE, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU JUST A VERY GENERALIZED ESTIMATE.WE DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THE CLUB'S GONNA DO.
WE, YOU KNOW, A VERY GENERAL ESTIMATE OF ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE OUT OF THIS BOX.
AND THEN YOU APPLY YOUR, YOUR LOCAL TAX RATE, WHICH I THINK WAS TWO AND A QUARTER.
SO THAT'S WHERE I GOT THE ONE AND A HALF TO TWO AND A HALF MILLION.
AND, AND THEN THE PROPERTY TAX, UM, OF ABOUT 350 TO $500,000.
HOW MUCH OF WHAT YOU'RE SELLING AT A TYPICAL SAM'S CLUB IS TAXABLE? BECAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, GROCERIES AREN'T, YOU'RE NOT GETTING SALES TAX FROM THAT.
AND, AND SORRY THAT WE'RE PLAYING THE CHAIRS SO WE KNEW THE QUESTIONS WERE GONNA BE REALLY SPECIFIC 'CAUSE THEY WERE LAST TIME AND SO THIS TIME WE SAID WE'RE BRINGING OUT ALL YEAH.
SO CLOSE TO 40% IS TAXABLE? YES.
SO I GROCERY, UM, I WOULD SAY OUTTA OUR ENTIRE BOX ABOUT 45 TO 50% IS AROUND GROCERY AND CONSUMABLES.
THE REST GENERAL MERCHANDISE AND THEN ALSO SERVICES AS WELL.
LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, THE TIRE AND BATTERY CENTER, OPTICAL PHARMACY, A HEARING AID CENTER, UM, THOSE ARE OTHER DIFFERENT, UM, AMENITIES THAT THE CLUB WILL BE ABLE TO OFFER.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU SIR.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? YES MA'AM.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY.
UM, I'M JENNIFER WICK AND I LIVE AT 2222 ABELLA DRIVE IN WAXAHATCHEE IN THE ARBOR'S, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WANNA THANK THESE GUYS 'CAUSE THEY DID COME AND MEET WITH OUR COMMUNITY BACK ON IN JULY AND YOU GUYS WERE AWESOME.
YOU ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WEREN'T EASY TO ANSWER, UM, WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY FRUSTRATED.
SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU IVAN FOR BEING THERE TOO.
YOU ASKED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ZONING 'CAUSE YOU HAD SAID, MATT HAD SAID THAT THE ZONING, THE PARCEL WOULD BE SPLIT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY BEING SPLIT, IT'S JUST THAT CERTAIN AREAS ONLY BEING ZONED.
UM, I HAVE BEEN GIVEN INFORMATION BY SOME OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN REASSURED THAT, UM, THE ACCESS POINTS THERE WILL BE NONE ON HIGHWAY 77.
AND I NEED THAT TO BE EXPLAINED TO ME BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO CARDINAL ROAD IS THROUGH 77.
SO I'M HOPING Y'ALL CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SENT OUT OR SHARED AND IT HAS NOT BEEN.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY KIND OF CRITICAL BEFORE ANYBODY MOVES FORWARD WITH ANYTHING IS TO LOOK AT THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, CARDINAL ROAD, SAM'S MISS, UH, QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS.
WHEN DO YOU PLAN ON BUILDING THE EXTENSION OF THE ROAD OUT TO VISTA WAY? UM, AND HOW LONG WILL THAT BE PRIOR? WILL IT BE PRIOR TO THE CLUB OPENING OR AFTER THE CLUB OPENING? SORRY.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY, WHICH YOU GUYS CAN'T ANSWER, BUT I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS FOR THEM TO CONSIDER EXTENDING THE ROAD OUT TO I 35.
I KNOW THAT OUR CITY ZONING REQUIRES A SCREENING WALL TO BE BUILT.
SAM'S IS ASKED TO NOT HAVE THAT IN LIEU OF, UH, FOLIAGE, BUT WITH THE HOUSES THAT ARE OVER THERE, I REALLY THINK THE SCREENING WALL IS GONNA BE REALLY KIND OF IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE SEMI-TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN.
UM, SO THAT ALSO REALLY CONCERNS ME THAT THE CURRENT TREE, I I DO APPRECIATE THE CALIPER OF TREES.
YOU GUYS UPPED IT FROM TWO TO FOUR.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A WALL IN THAT BACKSIDE, JUST TWO.
AND I'M SORT OF SPEAKING FROM THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD, WHICH IS WHY I'M LOOKING AT ALL MY DIFFERENT NOTES.
UM, THE GROVE CREEK WIDENING, UM, ONLY 236 FEET WILL BE WIDENED AND ONLY BY THREE FEET.
IT SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THREE FEET WOULD BE BETTER FOR THOSE TRACTOR TRAILERS, WHICH ON AVERAGE ARE 80 TO A HUNDRED FEET LONG.
AND YOU KNOW ABOUT TAKING A SWING OUT ONTO LIKE A 30 FOOT ROAD, BUT IT'S ONLY BEEN MADE.
WHAT IS THE ACTUAL, ZACH, WHAT'S THE MEASUREMENT OF GROVE CREEK RIGHT NOW? UH, GROVE CREEK ROAD IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET OF DRIVEWAY RIGHT DOWN.
YES, IT'S GONNA BE WIDENED BY THREE FEET.
THAT'S NOT VERY MUCH A A, THE, THE, THE CAB OF A TRACTOR, PARDON ME, 2340.
UM, THE, THE CABIN OF A TRACTOR, WELL THEY'VE GOT THE TRACTOR AND THE TRAILER, THE TRACTOR THEMSELVES, THEY'RE ON AVERAGE 20 FEET.
SO TO ONLY HAVE 23 FEET TO SWING OUT, I JUST THINK THAT THERE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WIDENING THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND OH, BY THE WAY, ZACH, HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED A CAREER IN RADIO, YOUR VOICE WHEN YOU SPEAK IS LIKE PERFECT FOR RADIO
UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL OF MY, OH, AND THEN SOMEONE ALSO MENTIONED THAT HOMEOWNERS ARE RESIDENTS OR CONSUMERS THAT WERE COMING TO THE STORE SHOULD BE
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ABLE TO USE THE GROVE CREEK ENTRANCE.WELL, WE WERE TOLD AT THAT MEETING, AND MAYBE IT'S CHANGED THAT THAT'S ONLY GOING TO GO BACK TO THE LOADING DOCKS.
SO DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN AND GO THROUGH THE LOADING DOCKS OR WILL THERE BE, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT JUST LIKE THE FRONT OF THE STORE IN THE REGULAR PARKING LOT THERE? NOW? THAT'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO, BUT THANKS, UH, WE'LL JUST KIND OF ANSWER 'EM ALL AT THE END.
SO NEXT NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY OF SECRETARY? YES, MA'AM.
LAURA GRAHAM, 1 5 2 ROYAL PARK LANE.
WE ARE RIGHT AT THE END OF THE FIRST ENTRANCE IN GROVE CREEK.
AND, UM, I, I HAD HEARD THERE WAS ONLY THREE FEET EXPANSION ALSO, SO THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN.
I THINK GROVE CREEK NEEDS TO BE WIDENED TO FOUR LANES BEFORE WE TRY TO GET SEMIS TO GO IN THERE.
I REALIZE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC WILL BE GOING ON CARDINAL, BUT, UM, THERE, I, I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS.
I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS TONIGHT ABOUT US ONLY TURNING TO THE NORTH AND NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THE SOUTH.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT GROVE CREEK HAS ACCESS TO THE SOUTH BECAUSE HOW ARE WE GONNA GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IF THERE'S ONLY, UH, NORTH ENTRANT, ONLY NORTH ACCESS.
SO THAT WAS MY TWO BIG CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE LAST THING IS THE PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SOUND BARRIERS FOR THE TRUCK ACCESS, AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THAT HAVING, UH, A WALL WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE SOUND BARRIERS.
I'LL BE, OUR STREET IS ONLY ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE PROPOSED PROPERTY, AND SO THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE SOUND COMING FROM THE TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT THERE.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERNS ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW.
I LIVE AT 2 0 1 BROOK BEND GROVE, OR BROOK BEND DRIVE AND GROVE CREEK.
UM, OUR DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS OR SO, AND I'VE LIVED OUT THERE THAT LONG.
SO I'M REAL FAMILIAR WITH, UH, GROVE CREEK AND HOW IT ACCESSES ONTO 77, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS A PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC ON 77.
UH, GROVE CREEK COMES UP IN QUITE A BIT OF A GRADE UP TO 77.
SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE THEY GONNA CHANGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH A TRACTOR TRAILER GOING ONTO 77, THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY DIFFICULT.
UH, GETTING ONTO 77 IS DIFFICULT GOING SOUTH OR NORTH BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ON 77.
IT'LL JUST BE WORSE WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE THIS ONE AND OTHER ONES THAT ARE FARTHER, UH, SOUTH THERE ON 77.
SO THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED FOR ONE, THAT GRADE GOING UP IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR THE SAM'S CLUB TRUCKS TO GET ONTO.
AND I BELIEVE THE QUESTION HAS ALREADY BEEN ASKED ABOUT GOING SOUTH ON, OR YEAH, GOING SOUTH ON 77 OFF OF GROVE CREEK, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE ANYMORE.
SO THE QUESTION HAS ALSO BEEN ASKED ABOUT, IS THE CARDINAL CARDINAL ROAD EXTENSION GONNA BE DONE BEFORE THE SAM CLUB IS OPEN OR IN PROCESS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO VISTA WAY? BECAUSE IF IT ISN'T, IF IT JUST STOPS AT THE END OF THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY HELP FOR ANYBODY.
UH, THE OTHER QUESTION HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT GROVE CREEK IS A 20 FOOT ROAD, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THREE FOOT OF EXTENSION WOULD BE HARDLY ENOUGH, BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS A FEW YEARS AGO THEY ADDED TELEPHONE POLES ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT TELEPHONE POLES GOING DOWN BOTH SIDES OF GROVE CREEK.
THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT FOR THE POWER LINES, AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO MUCH FURTHER THAN THE 23 FEET THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO ARE THEY GONNA RELOCATE THE ELECTRICAL, THE POWER SYSTEM THAT GOES INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS FARTHER DOWN OR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW? IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA UTILIZE THAT PROPERTY AND COME ONTO GROVE CREEK AT ALL.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ADDRESSED THAT BEFORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, OR WHO WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
UM, YEAH, AND I'LL CHIME IN HERE, CHAIRMAN AND, AND JUST TO, UH, UH, KNOCK OUT SOME QUESTIONS ON THE GROVE CREEK, UH, ON CARDINAL EXTENSION, UH, AND SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THAT, UH, HERE BEFORE ANY MORE QUESTIONS COME UP.
AND I'LL ACTUALLY INVITE JUSTIN STOKER,
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OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TO SPEAK ON THIS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.I'M GONNA SHOW AN EXHIBIT HERE THAT SHOWS THE FULL EXTENSION OF CARDINAL ROAD THAT'S PROPOSED ALL THE WAY FROM HIGHWAY 77 IN THE CURRENT INTERSECTION OUT TO VISTA WAY, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON THE FAR RANT RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE.
UH, THE CITY IS HOPING TO MAKE THE CONNECTION FROM THE EDGE OF THE SAM'S CLUB PROPERTY GENERALLY HERE WHERE MY CURSOR IS OUT TO VISTA WAY CONCURRENTLY WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIRST LEG.
THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NECESSARY TO BE IN THE GROUND, UH, PRIOR TO THE OPENING OF THE SAM'S CLUB.
UM, JUSTIN, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD ABOUT SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THE INTERSECTION OF GROVE CREEK, THE WIDENING OF GROVE CREEK, THAT MAY BE BENEFICIAL.
I'M THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING FOR THE CITY.
UM, TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ARISEN, UM, ZACH IS CORRECT.
WE'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT AND BEGUN CONVERSATIONS WITH MANHART, THE SAME CIVIL ENGINEER THAT'S DOING THE DESIGN FOR SAM'S CLUB TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE DESIGN, UH, OF CARDINAL ALL THE WAY TO VISTA ROAD.
UH, THE MONEY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE IMPACT FEE BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT CONSTRUCTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THE, IT'S ANTICIPATED TO HAVE THAT ROAD BUILT PRIOR TO THE OPENING OF SAM'S CLUB.
UH, WITH REGARDS TO, UH, THE EXTENSION OF CARDINAL ROAD TO THE WEST TOWARDS I 35.
UH, MONEY IS BUDGETED IN THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, STARTING HERE IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS, UH, TO BEGIN THE DESIGN PROCESS FOR THAT SEGMENT TO BE ABLE TO WIDEN AND CONNECT CARDINAL ROAD BETWEEN US 77 AND I 35.
THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THERE, UH, WITH THAT SEGMENT IS RIGHT AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
UH, WE, UH, ARE GOING TO NEED TO PERMIT THAT CROSSING WITH BNSF RAILWAY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, THAT'S PROBABLY, WE'VE ANTICIPATED THAT TO TAKE ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO TO BE ABLE TO, TO ANY RAILROAD CROSSINGS, UH, IS A LENGTHY PROCESS.
AND SO, UM, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, PERMITTED THROUGH BNSF, UH, AGAIN, MONEY IS AVAILABLE WITHIN THE IMPACT FEE BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE LAUGHLIN BRIDGE.
SO DOES THAT GO BACK TOWARDS WHERE VISTA WAY IS? SO IT, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS OKAY WITH THAT CONFIGURATION OF CARDINAL EXTENSION? I, I'M, I I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE PORTION THAT'S ON THERE ON THE EAST SIDE? YES.
SO THAT I, I BELIEVE SAM'S CLUB HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY'VE WORKED THAT OUT MAKING THE, THE ACTUAL CONNECTION THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY TOO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
AND THEN AT THE NORTH SEGMENT WHERE IT CROSSES INTO DOVE HOLLOW, UH, THE CITY ALREADY HAS A RIGHT OF WAY RESERVED IN THAT SECTION.
SO COMING OUTTA GROVE CREEK, THEY JUST TAKE A LEFT, GET ON CARDINAL DRIVE, AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO GO SOUTH, THEY JUST GO ALONG CARDINAL DRIVE TO THE RED LIGHT AND THEN THAT'S CORRECT.
THEN HAVE A PROTECTED, PROTECTED LEFT HAND TURN.
UH, DIDN'T I READ THAT, UH, JAMES HARDY IS, ONCE YOU, BILL CARDINAL DRIVE IS LOOKING AT NOT SENDING THEIR TRUCKS TO 77, THEY WOULD SEND THEM DOWN CARDINAL? THAT THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH JAMES HARDY TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE THEIR DRIVE ENTRANCES OFF OF 77 AND DOWN ONTO CARDINAL.
SO ALL THE TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT CURRENTLY, UH, STOPS OR PARKS ON 77 IS GONNA BE MOVED OFF OF THAT, UM, INTO A NEW ENTRANCE THAT WILL COME OFF OF CARDINAL ROAD THERE AT THE SOUTH END.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALREADY IN THE WORKS, THAT'S ALREADY WELL INTO THE PERMIT PROCESS.
AND THEN THEY MAY COME ONTO 77 FOR A PERIOD UNTIL THAT EXTENSION UNTIL 35 GETS DONE.
BUT THEY'D BE COMING TO A RED LIGHT THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE COMING TO THE RED LIGHT NOT HAVING TO CROSS LIKE THEY DO NOW, AND THEY WON'T BE, THEY WON'T BE STACKING ON 77 ANYMORE.
AND AS SOON AS WE CAN MAKE THAT CONNECTION ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS, ALL OF THE JAMES HARDY TRAFFIC WILL GO STRAIGHT TO 35.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE SAM'S TRAFFIC TO GO STRAIGHT TO 35 ALSO INSTEAD OF TURNING OUT ONTO 77? I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WHY WE TALK ABOUT THEIR TRUCK TRAFFIC.
YEAH, JUST THE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS, WELL, I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EVALUATE A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THEORY, YES.
AND THEY'RE GONNA GO THE, THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, BUT FOR THE, FOR THE INTERMEDIATE TIME UNTIL THAT CONNECTION IS MADE, LIKE I SAID, IT, IT TAKES A COUPLE OF YEARS TO PERMIT WITH RAILROADS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RAILROAD.
UM, THE, IS TO DIRECT THEM AWAY FROM THE, THE BUSY SEGMENT OF US 77.
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YES, SIR.CONCERNING THE EXTENSION THERE OF CARDINAL ROAD, IS THAT WHOLE EXTENSION GOING OVER TO VISTA WAY GONNA BE BUILT THE SAME AS THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT SAM HAS TO COVER FOR, FOR THIS? TH THAT'S CORRECT.
IT WOULD DIVIDED DIVIDED THROUGH LANE LIKE NORTH GROVE.
I'M OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE CHANGE FROM FAM FAMILY TO RETAIL IN THAT, UH, PROPERTY I LIVE.
IT'S BEHIND MY HOUSE AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXCESSIVE LIGHT POLLUTION AND THE NOISE POLLUTION FROM DELIVERY TRUCKS AND THEIR BEEP BEEP, BEEP BEEP AS THEY BACK UP TO DELIVER.
SO THAT, THAT IS A, YOU KNOW, I ASKED ABOUT YOUR STORE HOURS.
ARE YOUR DELIVERY HOURS WITHIN, UM, THE, THE STORE OPERATION HOURS OR DO YOU HAVE EARLY MORNING AND LATE NIGHT DELIVERIES? DELIVERY HOURS ARE LATE NIGHT, STARTING AT 9:00 PM UM, ENDING AT AROUND SIX.
AM YOU MIGHT WANNA SAY HOW MANY TIMES 6:00 AM SO AT NIGHT, UM, YOU CAN EXPECT A CLUB TO RECEIVE TWO TO THREE TRAILERS IN THE MORNING.
THAT'S WHEN WE'RE A TAD BIT BUSY.
SO FROM 4:00 AM TO SIX, YOU MAY RECEIVE FIVE OR SIX TRAILERS AS WELL.
UM, MY NAME IS JOY HEADLEY AND I LIVE AT 6 7 2 BROOK BEND COURT.
AND UM, MY THREE CONCERNS IS TRAFFIC.
A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE LIVED WITH TURNING LEFT ON 77 NOW FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.
AND ALL OF THE KINDS OF SHENANIGANS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF HARDING WITH THE TRUCKS HAVE BEEN VERY DANGEROUS AND VERY SCARY TO MANY OF US AS RESIDENTS.
AND NOW THAT THEY'RE BUILDING ALL OF THE NEW HOMES THAT THEY ARE OFF OF GROVE CREEK ROAD, I RIDE MY BIKE IN THE MORNINGS EARLY AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY CONCRETE TRUCKS AND OTHER SEMIS COME TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO BUILD RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY PULL OUT ON GROVE CREEK ROAD AND THEY JUST STOP BECAUSE IT'S TOO SMALL FOR THEM TO TURN.
AND THOSE OF US THAT ARE OUT WALKING AND BIKING, IT'S DANGEROUS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SEE US.
SO THE IDEA THAT OUR GROVE CREEK ROAD IS STILL SO SMALL WITH HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC IS A MAJOR CONCERN TO ME.
UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY RESIDENTS AROUND THERE.
UM, THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS WHEN YOU GO UP GROVE CREEK ROAD TO TURN ONTO 77, YOU GO UP TO TURN.
AND SO THAT BRINGS TO MY MIND, UH, A LOT OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE'RE NOW LOSING FARMLAND THAT SOAKS UP WATER.
AND GROVE CREEK HAS RISEN A LOT IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS THAT WE'VE LIVED THERE.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A LOT MORE WATER STANDING AND OUR DRAINAGE POOLS AND ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND SO IF WE BRING IN ANOTHER BIG CONCRETE PLACE, WHO HAS PLANNED FOR ALL THE WATER? DO WE KNOW WHERE ALL THIS WATER'S GONNA GO? HAVE Y'ALL ALREADY GOT THE TUNNELS DUG AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? OR WE'RE GONNA START HAVING FLASH FLOODING AND IT'S GONNA AFFECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, WHY WASN'T THIS PLANNED? I LIVED IN GRAND PRAIRIE WHERE THEY DID THAT, UM, NOT PLANNED FOR IT.
AND OUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS A MESS FOR THREE YEARS AND THERE WERE LAWSUITS IN THIS CITY BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLANNED BEFORE THEY GOT ALL THE CONCRETE THERE.
HAVE Y'ALL PLANNED FOR ALL THE NEW DRAINAGE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE FARMLAND THERE ANYMORE? YES MAAM.
THERE'S TWO DETENTION PONDS ON SITE.
AND SO WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE OF THAT, UM, AS WELL AS THE FACT OF JUST THAT IT'S, IT'S CHANGING.
I WOULD SAY JUST THE DYNAMICS OF WHERE WE TURN AND CHANGE IS HARD FOR ALL OF US, BUT WHAT WE WANNA DO IS WE WANT OUR PROPERTY VALUE TO STAY GOOD.
WE WANNA BE SAFE WITH OUR TRAFFIC AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR HOMES ARE NOT FLOODED.
AND THAT GROVE CREEK ROAD AND THE CREEK RISING RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF THINGS JUST LOOK DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF ALL THE TREES I'VE ALREADY TAKEN DOWN.
OH, ANYONE ELSE SAY SOMETHING? YES, SIR.
TODD PURCELL 1 1 6 RURAL PARK LANE ATCH, CAN YOU BRING UP THE DISPLAY THAT SHOWED THE, UH, THE EXTENSION OF CARDINAL?
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YES, PLEASE.SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HERE, WE LIVE IN THE PART OF GROVE CREEK THAT KIND OF CUTS OFF TO THE TOP THERE AND WE'RE ALREADY BEING TOLD THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT OFF OF GROVE GROVE CREEK.
SO WE CAN'T GO NORTH THAT WAY.
WHY ARE WE BUILT, WHY ARE YOU PLANNING ON BUILDING THAT EXTENSION OF, OF CARDINAL TO NOT CONNECT UP, JUST TAKE OVER GROVE CREEK.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A RIDICULOUS SPACING THAT YOU HAVE THERE BETWEEN A A FOUR LANE ROAD AND THAT TWO LANE ROAD.
AND, AND THEN WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT A MINUTE AGO AND YOU SAID THAT THERE HAD BEEN A PREVIOUS AGREEMENT THAT YOU WOULDN'T EXTEND CARDINAL TO GROVE CREEK, BUT THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S, I MEAN I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE THERE.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO FOR, FOR THE FOLKS FOR SAM'S CLUB AND UM, I'M, WE'VE TALKED BEFORE, BUT I WANT TO REITERATE, VEGETATION IS NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH.
WE, YOU REALLY, IF YOU'RE GONNA BRING IN SAM'S CLUB, THERE'S GOTTA BE A, A BRICK WALL THERE TO HELP WITH THE SOUND OR IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
AND THEN, UM, A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU'RE PURCHASING CAN, ARE YOU ONLY PURCHASING THE AREA THAT'S BEING ZONED OR ARE YOU PURCHASING BEYOND THAT? ALL OF IT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA OWN ALL OF THAT, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE ZONED FOR, DO YOU SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY, DO YOU HAVE, I MEAN, HAVE YOU DONE THIS TYPE OF THING BEFORE? WHAT DO YOU TYPICALLY DO WITH THAT AREA? YOU HOLD ONTO IT, SELL IT TO A DEVELOPER LATER FOR RESIDENTIAL, DO YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO PLAN TO EXPAND THE SAM'S CLUB AREA BEYOND WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS I I WOULD FIGURE THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUY IT WITHOUT A PLAN OF SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH IT REAL QUICK.
UM, WE DO NEED YOU TO SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MIC.
PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVE STREAMING HEAR IT'S REALLY SENSITIVE WHEN YOU TURN AWAY FROM IT, THEY DON'T HEAR ANYTHING.
SO DID YOU NEED ME TO NO, NO, PLEASE DON'T.
SO, I MEAN, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR SAMZA.
I MEAN, JUST THE PLAN FOR CARDINAL MAKES NO SENSE.
IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE THE WAY IT'S, UH, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL ONE TRACK AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BUYING EXTRA LAND, BUT I, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BUY ANY EXTRA LAND, BUT THAT IS ALL ONE TRACK.
SO, BUT THEY AGREED KEEP IT WOULD ASSUME THEY WANT THE FRONTAGE, BUT THE OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO SELL JUST THE FRONTAGE.
THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SELL EVERYTHING.
SO, BUT KEEP IN MIND WE WOULD ONLY BE REZONING THAT PART IN BLUE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IF THEY EVER WANTED TO REZONE TO DO THAT'S RIGHT.
DO YOU GUYS SPLIT THE PARCEL AND CREATE A NEW PARCEL? BECAUSE DOESN'T THE ZONING GO WITH THE PARCEL? I'VE NEVER SEEN IT WHERE THERE'S LIKE A WHOLE LARGE PARCEL AND ONLY PART OF IT IS CHANGED.
SO DOES THE PARCEL GET SPLIT? I MEAN I'M CURIOUS HOW IT WORKS.
YEAH, THEY, THEY'LL, THEY'LL REPL THAT INTO ONE IN THE OKAY, SO THERE'LL BE A NEW ID.
MARCIA MOODY 1 21 ROYAL PARK LANE WAXAHATCHEE.
SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS OPPOSED TO HAVING A SAM'S CLUB IN WAXAHATCHEE.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO IS THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
YOU DO, YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OUT OF GROVE CREEK AND YOU CAN PUT THAT PORK CHOP THERE AND THEY'LL DO JUST LIKE TOM THUMB IGNORE IT AND STILL TURN LEFT.
I WAS BEHIND SOMEBODY YESTERDAY THAT DID THAT.
THE SPEED LIMIT IS WHAT, 55? SO THEY'RE GOING 70 UP AND DOWN GROVE CREEK.
THAT LIGHTED CARDINAL ONLY CAUSED MORE ISSUES.
SO NOW THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP, YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT.
I GO OUT GROVE CREEK, I MAKE A LEFT AND GO DOWN TO VISTA WAY.
SO ALL THOSE ARE NEW HOMES AND I'M PRETTY SURE NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ON VISTA WAY ARE AWARE THAT THAT'S GONNA BECOME A MAIN THOROUGHFARE.
YOU GO UP THERE, YOU HAVE A TWO STOPS SIGNS AT NORTH GROVE.
I THINK THOSE PEOPLE ASKED FOR A FOUR-WAY STOP AND IT WAS DENIED.
SO YOU'VE GOT TWO STOP SIGNS THERE YOU GO ACROSS NORTH GROVE, YOU'VE GOT AN ELEMENTARY
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SCHOOL, SO YOU'RE GETTING READY TO DIVERT ALL THAT TRAFFIC DOWN VISTA WAY TO NORTH GROVE.THEY'VE EITHER GOT A CROSS TO TAKE THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL.
SO WE HAVE, I'VE GOT NOTES, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY NOTES AND MAKE SURE THAT I GOT EVERYTHING.
SO PEOPLE DON'T OBSERVE TRAFFIC LAWS, WHICH WE KNOW HOW MANY ACCIDENTS HAPPEN ON 77 EVERY DAY.
SO WE HAVE EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT NEED TO GET DOWN INTO THAT AREA.
SO YOU'VE GOT 800 AND SOME ODD PARKING SPACES.
SO HOW MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO OUR AREA NOW GRANTED A LOT OF US SHOP AT SAM'S, WE LIKE SAM'S.
I DON'T WANT TO GO TO MANSFIELD TO SAM'S.
I'VE BEEN TO THE OTHER ONE ON WHEATLAND.
YOU HAVE ARMED GUARDS AT WHEATLAND.
I SAW AN ARMED GUARD AT THE DOOR AND I SAW A TRUCK DRIVING AROUND SECURITY AND I'M PRETTY SURE THEIR ARMED, WE DON'T WANT THAT RIGHT THERE.
I JUST DON'T THINK A BIG BOX STORE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT LOCATION.
AND THERE ARE PLACES IN WAXAHATCHEE 2 87 35, EVEN SOUTH 77 THAT WOULD WELCOME SOME DEVELOPMENT.
WHY DOES IT ALL HAVE TO BE NORTH? SO WE KNOW WHEN WE MOVE THERE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME RETAIL BUT IT COULD BE LIGHTER RETAIL, NOT A BIG BOX STORE.
SO THOSE ARE MY ANYONE ELSE? YES MA'AM.
DIANE SIMAK 2 0 1 BROOK BEND DRIVE IN THE BROOK BEND GOVE DIVISION.
I'VE LIVED OUT THERE FOR 25 YEARS.
I KNOW THAT RETAIL, RETAIL BRINGS IN MORE RETAIL.
I AM OPPOSED TO SAM'S CLUB AT THAT LOCATION FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WIDENING GROVE CREEK RIGHT THERE FOR THREE FEET.
THOSE TRUCKS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GO THERE.
YOU CAN'T MOVE THOSE TELEPHONE POLES.
SO WHAT'S TO PREVENT THE TRUCKS THAT CAN'T GET AROUND THAT CORNER GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO VISTA WAY AND GOING UP VISTA WAY TO NORTH GROVE AND COMING OUT.
77 IS A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE RIGHT THERE.
WE CAN'T GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALRIGHT, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? HOW ARE YOU GONNA ADDRESS THE REST OF GROVE CREEK? BECAUSE YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME EIGHT 13, THEY'RE GONNA COME UP TO GROVE CREEK AND THEY'RE GONNA COME AROUND.
GROVE CREEK IS A LITTLE TWO LANE TAR AND CHIP ROAD THAT HAS NUMEROUS POTHOLES IN IT ALREADY.
WHAT IS THE ADDRESS? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO TO ADDRESS THE REST OF GROVE CREEK? IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
I DON'T THINK SAM'S NEEDS TO BE IN THAT LOCATION.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND WHERE THE SAFETY WOULD BE BETTER, THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE BETTER AND A LOT OF US IN IN THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE A LOT HAPPIER.
I'M DIANE MCBRIDE AT 1 1 5 SUMAC DRIVE, WAXAHATCHEE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE HAVE BJ'S AND SO WITHIN A PROBABLY LESS THAN A MILE, MAYBE A MILE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SAM'S A BJ'S AND A TOM THUMBS AND THE TRAFFIC, WHEN YOU TRY TO COME OUT AT THAT NEW RED LIGHT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY IT IS, I'M TALKING TO HEAD, HEAD FOOT RIGHT THERE BY CAMPUZANO.
THE TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP SO FAR DOWN THAT PEOPLE WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT JUST TO GET THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE ESTIMATED VISITORS THE SAM'S CLUB GETS IN A YEAR.
'CAUSE I DID MY OWN GOOGLE RESEARCH, WHICH PROBABLY ISN'T ACCURATE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT'S UM, HIT AND MISS.
UH, LIKE WHAT, WHAT VOLUME OF PEOPLE DO THEY GET IN A DAY? 'CAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY REPLICATED WITH BJ'S AND THAT'S A LOT OF CARS ON 77 FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE.
I LIVE AT 1 1 0 BEND DRIVE IN WAXAHATCHEE.
UM, JUST KIND OF DOWN THE STREET TO THE RIGHT ON THIS MAP.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE, WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS THIS IS GOING TO BE A DESTINATION.
UM, THIS IS GONNA BE THE ONLY SAM'S CLUB IN ABOUT A 30 MILE RADIUS.
UM, SO WE ARE GONNA GET A LOT OF OUT OF TOWN
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TRAFFIC.UM, AND ASK MY FRIEND, MR. STOKER TOLD ME A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UM, OUT OF TOWN TRAFFIC IS GOOD.
THAT BRINGS IN MORE SALES TAX, IT BRINGS OUR PROPERTY ATTACKS DOWN.
LIKE PUT IT OUT ON THE HIGHWAY 2 87, 35, UM, BRING ALL THAT OUT OF TOWN TRAFFIC IN ON THESE MAJOR HIGHWAYS.
THAT AREA CANNOT SUSTAIN A LOT OF OUT OF TOWN TRAFFIC.
IT'S, WE'RE, AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WE CAN'T TURN LEFT THERE ALREADY.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT TOO MUCH TRAFFIC GOING THERE.
WE'VE GOT BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC AT POINTS OF THE DAY, PRETTY MUCH ALL ALONG WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE MAP RIGHT HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND ASKING PEOPLE TO, THEY'VE GOTTA TURN INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING HOW WE GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE WHERE WE LIVE, WHERE MY 16-YEAR-OLD SON DRIVES HIS CAR.
MY YOUNG DRIVER, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO TURN INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN TURN OUT THROUGH A MAJOR RETAILER TO JUST GO SOUTH.
RIGHT? I MEAN, HE'S EITHER GOTTA GO THERE OR HE IS GOTTA DRIVE DOWN TO TOM THUMB TO GO SOUTH.
LIKE, UM, I I JUST THINK THAT'S, I THINK IT'S, IT'S FOOLISH.
AND WE, WE JUST HAD A WRECK, UH, WHAT AUGUST THE 20TH.
WE HAD A PRETTY MAJOR WRECK COMING OUTTA JAMES HARDY, UH, GUY SLAMMED HIS, UH, LIKE A YUKON OR SOMETHING STRAIGHT INTO ONE OF THE TRUCKS.
I MEAN IT WAS A FEW WEEKS AGO, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, I, I'M, I'M ALL FOR SAM'S CLUB TO COME IN.
I'M, I'M A FORMER SAM'S CLUB MEMBER.
I'VE BEEN TO THE ONE IN MANSFIELD, BUT PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE GUYS, SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE LITERALLY ANYWHERE ELSE BUT THERE
UM, AND HAD A LADY IN THE BACK ASKED IF THERE WAS A PLAN FOR SEWER AND SHE ASKED ME TO ASK ON HER BEHALF.
YES, IT'LL IT'LL HAVE ALL THE UTILITIES.
NAME IS MIKE ANDERSON, FOUR 13 BROOKSIDE CITY.
UH, I'M AN EX-EMPLOYEE OF THE TWO PLANTS THAT ARE THERE.
DID ANYBODY IN WISCONSIN, NOT AS FAR AS PLANTING IS CONCERNED, DID WISCONSIN ACTUALLY TALK TO ANYBODY ABOUT THIS NEW ROAD THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEIR TRUCKS? DID YOU EVEN GET AN INQUIRY BACK FROM JAMES HARDY, THE GLASS PLANTS CARDINAL ROAD? YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A LONG TIME FACTORY CITIZEN WHO HAS BEEN HERE FOR YEARS AND THEY HAVE GLACIERS AND ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE THAT GO ON THE ROAD THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT.
HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GONNA START PUTTING UP A STOPLIGHT AND CHANGE THEIR INGRESS, EGRESS OR THEIR TRUCKS TO KINDA, I GUARANTEE YOU THEIR TRUCKS ARE SEMI TRUCKS.
THE GS ARE OF COURSE ARE, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN THEIR PICKUP TRUCK AND HERE THEY GO.
BUT THAT CORPORATE CITIZEN, QUITE FRANKLY HAS A MAJOR INTEREST IN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT WHERE THEY PUT ON NOTICE THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONE WAY INTO THOSE TWO FACTORIES ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THE RESULTS OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE RIGHT NOW.
THAT, THAT IS FEEDBACK THAT THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED AND AND RECEIVED.
AND, UH, FOR, FOR THOSE INTERESTED, JAMES HARDY HAS PROVIDED A LETTER OF RESPONSE FOR THIS MEETING IN THE AGENDA PACKET THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW.
DID THEY HAVE A RESPONSE THAT SHOULD BE PUBLIC OR NOT? THEY DON'T CARE.
UH, SO THEY, THEY'VE PROVIDED THAT IN THE AGENDA PACKET.
SO THAT'S AVAILABLE AND SOMETHING WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AS WELL SEPARATELY AFTER THE MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE.
ANYONE ELSE? HI JOSE TOBAR FOR UH, ONE FIVE BROOKSIDE ROAD.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHO PART OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH RETAIL IS WHEN THEY COME IN YOU DO PLAN TO PULL AWAY FROM OTHER AREAS TO BRING INTO THIS LOCATION.
I LIKE SAM'S, WE DON'T HAVE ONE.
CURRENTLY I GO TO WACH TO THE HEB THAT'S ON 77, WHICH INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH HAS KIND OF SIMILAR, PROBABLY HAD SIMILAR ISSUES THERE IN THE PAST, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHO ARE THE COMPETITORS YOU'RE GONNA BE PULLING FROM? THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.
UM, SO, UH, I HEARD, UH, MR. STOKER MENTION, UM, THE EXTENSION OF CARDINAL SAY SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA PAY FOR AN IMPACT FUND.
IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? IMPACT FEES? WHAT WAS THAT? IMPACT FEES.
SO IS THAT, UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT SAM'S CLUB PAYS FOR IT OR CITY PAYS FOR IT? TAXPAYERS PAY FOR IT.
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IMPACT TAXPAYERS? YEAH.IMPACT FEES ARE PAID BY DEVELOPERS.
AND, AND ARE COLLECTED IN CERTAIN REGIONS AND IF, IF THE IMPACT FEES ARE GENERATED IN A CERTAIN AREA, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE SPENT IN A CERTAIN AREA.
SO THERE'S ENOUGH IMPACT FEES THAT HAVE BEEN GENERATED OVER THE YEARS TO FUND THAT EXCHANGE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PARTY EXTENDED SO THAT THEIR TRUCKS CAN COME IN AND OUT OF, ON CARDINAL ROAD AT THAT STOPLIGHT.
NOW IS THAT ALL CONTINGENT ON SAM'S CLUB BEING THERE? OR CAN THEY COULD JUST DO THAT WITHOUT US, WITHOUT SAM'S CLUB BEING THERE, RIGHT? YES.
SO I I THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM JAMES HARDY RIGHT HERE IN OUR PACKET.
SO THEY DO SUPPORT, THEY SAID THEY HAVE ACTIVE PLANS UNDERWAY TO RELOCATE THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE FROM HIGHWAY 77 TO CARDINAL ROAD AS PART OF THEIR ONGOING COMMITMENT TO IMPROVING TRAFFIC FLOW AND SAFETY IN THE AREA.
AND THEY ANTICIPATE THIS WILL BE COMPLETED BY Q4 OF 2026.
AND I DID JUST WANT TO ECHO THE, UH, I FEEL LIKE A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOTTA BE COMPLETE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
SORRY
UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE SINCE OUR UH, JULY 24TH MEETING, I HAVE DRIVEN TO EVERY SINGLE SAM'S CLUB THAT IS ABOVE I 20 AND UM, 'CAUSE I DRIVE A LOT FOR WHAT I DO AND THERE'S NOT A SINGLE ONE THAT IS NOT ON A, A FRONTAGE ROAD OF A MAJOR FREEWAY.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE ON.
YES, IT'S HIGHWAY 77 BUT IT'S A FOUR LANE ROAD, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS.
MY NAME IS MITZI COOK AND I LIVE AT 1 56 ROYAL PARK LANE.
AND MY QUESTION IS, IF I'M COMING AS I NORMALLY DO OFF TO 77, IT NEEDS A RED LIGHT OF ITS OWN.
IT IS HARD TO GO RIGHT OR LEFT OFF OF UH, GROVE.
IT'S GROVE CREEK THAT COMES OUT TO 77.
YOU, I KNOW THERE'S A RED LIGHT THAT'S THERE, BUT NOT ACCESS AT THIS TIME.
UM, BUT I AM OPPOSED TO A SAM'S I I USED TO BE A, FOR YEARS A SAM'S UH, MEMBER AND I HAD NO OBJECTION TO 'EM.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE PLACE.
THERE IS LOTS OF PROPERTY IN WAXAHATCHEE BETWEEN 2 87 AND ENNI.
THAT WAY THEY GET TWO CITIES ACCESS TO THEIR STORE.
MY NAME'S DOUGLAS COFFEE, 1 36 BRICKSTONE DRIVE.
CAN YOU, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW THE CARDINAL ROAD EXTENSION IS GONNA GO OUT.
JUST FOR CONTEXT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING HERE OR LOOKING AT HERE IS THE 2024 WAXAHATCHEE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
THIS IS SOMETHING DEVELOPED IN CONJUNCTION WITH WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I'M TO CLARIFY WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE, WE'VE GOT THE 2024 WAXAHATCHEE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS MAJOR THOROUGHFARES PROPOSED IN THE SURROUNDING AREA OF TOWN.
HERE YOU'LL SEE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN LIGHT BLUE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DEVELOPED ALONGSIDE THE 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE.
OKAY, BUT HOW'S IT PROPOSED NOW? ARE YOU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CONNECTION TO 35? ARE YOU CONNECT OR NO, NO, I MEAN THROUGH TO, UH, TO 77 FROM 77 EAST.
YEAH, YOU HAD A BIG, THE ONE ONCE THE CCB CARDINAL KNOW TO VISTA.
WE'LL WE'LL PULL UP THAT SLIGHTLY MORE DETAILED EXHIBIT HERE.
SO THE SEMIS COMING OUT OF THE CARDINAL AND HARDY WILL GO STRAIGHT ACROSS 77.
ARE THEY GONNA TURN, I CAN'T IMAGINE LEFT TO GO NORTH AND RIGHT TO GO SOUTH.
I CAN'T IMAGINE A SCENARIO WHERE THEY WOULD CROSS OVER.
THAT, THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY REASON FOR 'EM TO.
SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE ON 77 UNTIL YES SIR.
THEY'RE ABLE TO GO OVER THE, UH, RAILROAD TRACKS.
WELL, MOST OF US ALL HERE ARE FROM WAXAHATCHEE AND YOU'VE BEEN ON 77 AT CERTAIN TIMES, MANY TIMES IN THE DAY.
AND WE KEEP BUILDING MORE AND MORE BUSINESSES ALONG 77 AND WHAT HAPPENS? CAR TRAFFIC, JUST SEE IT'S THICKER
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AND THICKER.THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ALL OF US.
I'M AT 1 1 3 ROYAL PARK LANE WAXAHATCHEE.
I JUST WANNA RESTATE THE CONCERN.
UM, I'M A BUSINESS MEMBER OF SAM'S CLUB, HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS.
I LIKE SAM'S CLUB, BUT UH, I ALSO LIVE IN VERY CLOSE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GOES TO THE NORTH.
UM, JUST WANNA RESTATE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE NOISE, THE, THE, UM, BUFFER, THE, THE VEGETATION.
I GET THE NOISE, MY BACKYARD BACKS UP TO THE FIELD, RIGHT, RIGHT IN BACK OF THERE AND I HEAR ALL THE TRUCKS BEEPING AND THAT'S ACROSS THE HIGHWAY.
SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE VOLUME OF THOSE TRUCKS BEEPING WITHOUT ANY KIND OF BARRIER.
UM, MORE THAN A SIX FOOT TREE FOR INSTANCE.
UM, IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, ACCESS TO 77, WHETHER EVEN WITH YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT ONLY WITH THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THERE, IT'S LIKE PLAYING FROGGER.
YOU GOTTA GO FROGGER AROUND THAT THING.
AND I HAVE A VERY NICE SPEEDY CAR THAT I CAN PUNCH IT, BUT LEMME TELL YOU, NOT EVERYBODY DOES THAT.
IT'S, THE TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE AND I REALLY THINK THAT THAT TRAFFIC UM, STUDY, DEFINITELY IF IT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN DONE, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR REEVALUATED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BEING SMART ABOUT EVERY SINGLE DECISION THAT WE MAKE THERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY, NOT JUST THE CITIZENS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA, BUT EVERYBODY ALONG THAT TRAVELS THAT ROOT ROUTE WILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT ENTIRE THING AND EVERYBODY'S LIVES ARE IN DANGER WHEN IT'S NOT.
I'M DUSTIN HILL, UH, 1 1 7 ROYAL PARK LANE.
UM, I WON'T GO BACK INTO A LOT OF THINGS ALREADY BEEN SAID.
I WANNA REITERATE WHAT A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY PUT OUT THERE.
UM, THANK THE PEOPLE FROM SAM'S FOR LISTENING TO US AND HAVING THESE MEETINGS WITH US.
UM, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT THE BOARD WOULD GET SOME ASSURANCES THAT WE WILL GET A WALL AND SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE WE PUT IT TO A BOAT AND MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THIS.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE EVER GET ANY LIKE HARD ANSWERS ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR A WHILE, WHY THE TRUCK'S GOING, THE WAY THEY'RE GOING, WHERE THE ROADS ARE GOING.
THERE JUST SEEMS LIKE A WHOLE LOT OF STILL THINGS TO ANSWER.
I KNOW Y'ALL GOT SOME TIME TO ANSWER OR NOT, BUT JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT.
UH, JOHN, JOHN SIM AT 2 0 1 BROOK BEND DRIVE.
YOU SHOWED A SLIDE ZACH, ABOUT UH, CARDINAL ROAD, THEY'RE CONTINUING ON AND YOU SAID THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE, WHEN IS THAT PLAN ON BEING BUILT THAT'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO EIGHT 13 OR BEYOND
WHAT THIS IS MEANT TO DEMONSTRATE IS THE, UH, FUTURE ROAD NETWORK AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO THESE THOROUGHFARES.
SO THIS IS THE THOROUGHFARE NETWORK THAT THE CITY IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR, UH, THIRD PARTY CONSULTANTS HAS IDENTIFIED.
IT IS GONNA BE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT ONGOING GROWTH IN THE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN OVER TIME.
WHICH BRINGS US BACK TO THE POINT, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT GROVE CREEK RIGHT NOW GOES BETWEEN 77 AND EIGHT 13 AND THE, ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING BUILT OUT IN THAT WAY AND ALL THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS TOO BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OFF EIGHT 13 GOING TOWARDS ROCKET, LET'S SAY, UM, THEY'RE PUTTING ROADS IN OR BULLDOZING, THEY'RE DOING DIRT WORK OUT THERE TO PUT IN HUGE NEIGHBORHOODS.
NOT EVERYBODY IS GONNA GO TO THIS SAM'S CLUB ON 77.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GO DOWN GROVE CREEK RIGHT NOW AND THIS IS GONNA PULL EVEN MORE GREATER PEOPLE.
AND IF YOU'VE, ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN DOWN GROVE CREEK KNOWS THAT IT FOLLOWS THE CREEK AND IS VERY TIGHT AND VERY WINDY AND VERY BLIND CORNERS IN A LOT OF PLACES BETWEEN EIGHT 13 AND 77.
SO I WOULD THINK BEFORE THEY COULD DO ANYTHING, IT'S NOT JUST TO STOP AT VISTA WAY, THAT'S CONVENIENT SPOT TO HOOK INTO, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE ALL THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE COMING FROM.
IT'S GONNA BE COMING FROM EIGHT 13 DOWN GROVE CREEK AS WELL.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE HUGE ACCIDENTS DOWN THERE.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BLIND SPOTS THAT COME OUT OF BROOK BEND GROVE AND TURN GOING TOWARDS EIGHT 13.
UM, DOVE HOLLOW FOR INSTANCE, HAS NOT JUST VISTA WAY BUT TWO OTHER ENTRANCES FROM THEIR DEVELOPMENT ONTO GROVE CREEK.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING
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HERE.IT'S BAD ENOUGH AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S GONNA BE SO MUCH WORSE WITH HAVING A BIG DEVELOPMENT HERE IN THIS, IN THIS LOCATION.
AND I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT.
I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GO DOWN THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PERSONALLY BECAUSE EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE THAT THAT WAS, THAT'S JUST AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS WAITING TO HAPPEN.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? YES SIR.
I, I'M AT A, I LIVE ON ANOTHER STREET AWAY FROM THAT KAREN BAKER.
I LIVE AT ONE 13 SUMAC IN WAXAHATCHEE.
UH, I WORKED OFF THIS BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR 25 YEARS AND THOSE TRUCK DRIVERS DON'T EVER TURN.
THEY MISS THEIR TURN AND THEY WANNA GO DOWN TO THE NEXT PLACE TO MAKE A TURN.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GROVE CREEK ONLY BEING THREE MORE FEET WIDE AND A CAR SITTING HERE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT TURN.
AND THEN WHEN IT MAKES THAT TURN ACCORDING TO THE PLAN, YOU HAD ONLY ONE TURN IN THERE OFF OF GROVE CREEK TO GET INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
WELL WHAT IF HE MISSES THAT TURN? WHERE IN THE IS HE GOING TO TURN GOING DOWN GROVE CREEK? THERE'S NOWHERE TO MAKE A CIRCLE.
FIRE TRUCKS CAN'T EVEN GET DOWN THAT ROAD 'CAUSE THAT CAN'T MAKE A U-TURN IN THE CIRCLE.
SO THAT'S A POOR DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE.
GROVE CREEK IS GONNA HAVE TO BE WIDER OR SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE TRUCK DRIVERS DO NOT ALWAYS GO THE ROUTE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO, THEY MISS ALL THE TIME.
THEY STOP, THEY PULL OUT, THEY GO THE WRONG DIRECTION AND WE KNOW 70 SEVENS GOT THE TRAFFIC.
I MEAN IT TAKES ME SOMETIMES SEVEN TO 10 MINUTES TO GO A MILE FROM WHERE MY HOUSE IS DOWN TO WALMART AND IT'S JUST A MILE AND A HALF AWAY.
AND ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AND ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 10 TO 12 TO 15 MINUTES WITH ALL THOSE STOPLIGHTS AND ALL THE TRUCKS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET ON 2 87 OR GET ON 77 TO GO NORTH TO GET ON 35 SOMEWHERE.
THIS IS JUST NOT THE AREA THAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
AND I DON'T OPPOSE SOUNDS, I WISH THERE WAS ONE AND I WISH IT WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT I DON'T APPROVE OF THIS LOCATION AND THAT'S ALL.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, MY NAME IS IRA 10, I LIVE ON 1 0 9 ROSA.
I LISTEN TO ABOUT EVERYBODY ON WHAT THERE IS CONCERNED ABOUT A LOT OF THIS ACCESS EGRESS AND ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE ROADS.
I LIVE ON ROSA STREET, IT'S ONLY ABOUT 20 FEET TO 23 FEET WIDE WITH THE PAVEMENT PART AND IT'S ACTUALLY GOT A 40 FOOT EASEMENT THAT IT CAN WIDEN TO THAT 40 FEET FOR A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT.
SO I MEAN I, I REALLY SEE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE NOISE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOT A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE.
BUT I GUESS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ROAD BACK HERE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR TRUCKERS.
BUT THE ROADS NEED TO BE WIDENED.
THEY SPOKE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH ON THAT.
TRUCKERS, CAN YOU IMAGINE TWO FIRE TRUCKS RIDING SIDE BY SIDE ON A 20 FOOT WIDTH ROAD? I MEAN, JUST IMAGINE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF YOU CAN'T IMAGINE SEMIS.
THEY GOTTA HAVE SOME SPACE IN BETWEEN THEM AND UH, AND THEN MORE AREA FOR, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THE TURN.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SHORT TERM BASIS.
I MEAN WE GOTTA GET WITH OUR DRIVER DRIVING DEPARTMENT ON THAT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
I MEAN WE ALL TOOK LESSONS BUT WE ALL DON'T DRIVE SEMI TRAILERS.
BUT UH, ANYWAY, SAM'S IS A GOOD IDEAL AND I AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WAS TALKING.
IT'S KIND OF IN THE WRONG LOCATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE OUTCOME OF THAT BECAUSE YOU GOT ALL MIDLOTHIAN AND ALL IN US ALL COMING THIS WAY TO GO TO SAM'S AND THEY'RE GONNA EXIT OFF RIGHT HERE AND WALKS HATCHET.
YOU GOT WALKS, HATCHET COMING THIS WAY, WHOEVER LIVES UP THIS UH, DOWN SEVEN, SEVEN GONNA BE COMING THIS WAY.
YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW OUR NEIGHBORING SINGLE BULK, YOU KNOW, STORES ARE DONE.
THEY ACTUALLY WERE RUN OUT OF FOOD ON THE SHELVES.
SHELVES HAVE DISAPPEARED BEFORE AND WENT LOW.
THE BULK IDEAL IS A GOOD IDEAL TO HELP.
SAM'S ALWAYS BEEN A GOOD IDEAL ON THE BULK ITEMS, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING I'M GONNA LET YOU WORK WITH THESE CITIZENS HERE.
BUT I AGREE WITH THEM, UH, WITH A LOT OF THEIR STUFF.
ANYONE ELSE? AND JANE ETT? JANE ELL? NO LIVE IT 6 72 BROOKLAND AND I'M GONNA GET A LOT OF BOOZE BUT I THINK SAM'S IS FANTASTIC.
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EXCELLENT LOCATION EXCEPT I HAVE ONE QUESTION.IS GROVE CREEK A COUNTY ROAD? YES, PART OF IT'S PART OF IT.
SO DO WE HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY BEFORE WE CAN DO ANYTHING TO THAT ROAD? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
BUT IF IT'S THE COUNTY ROAD, THEN THAT'S THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
I MEAN, DID THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PLANNING AND ZONING ANSWER EXACTLY.
ARE YOU THE COUNTY
ALRIGHT,
I'M THE DIRECT, THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.
THE PORTION OF IT RIGHT HERE BETWEEN 77 AND UM, ROYAL PARK, WHERE ROYAL PARK BEGINS RIGHT THERE, THAT IS ALL CITY.
UM, IT BECOMES, IT BECOMES COUNTY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN, UM, PAST THE, THE CREEK.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE IS NO IMMEDIATE PLANS TO EXTEND CARDINAL PAST VISTA IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE PLANS TO DO ANY SORT OF WORK PAST THE CREEK.
SO, SO DOES THE CITY STOP RIGHT THERE AT THE ENTRANCE TO ROYAL PARK? NO.
THE, THE CITY'S STOPS RIGHT THERE.
THE, THE CITY'S PORTION OF THE ROAD WILL STOP RIGHT THERE.
BUT THE CITY BOUNDARIES ARE AT THE CREEK HOUSE PARK IS ROYAL PARK IN THE CITY LIMITS OR NOT? ROYAL PARK IS NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS.
ROYAL PARK IS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
CAN I, YEAH, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY UP THERE, UH, IS THERE GONNA BE, UH, GROVE CREEK AT 77 AN ACCELERATION LANE? IF I'M GOING UP AND I'M TURNING RIGHT TO GO NORTH, IS THERE AN EX IS THERE A PLANS FOR AN ACCELERATION LANE? I BELIEVE SO.
I WAS GONNA ASK HOW, HOW FAR IS, HOW LONG IS IT? UH, YEAH, SO I'M PULLING UP HERE.
THIS IS JUST THE CONCEPTUAL EXHIBIT OF THE INTERSECTION.
THAT VERY QUESTION IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS GOING TO BE REVIEWING THROUGH THE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
SHOULD THIS ZONING CHANGE BE APPROVED? IT'S A QUESTION THAT'LL HAVE TO BE ANSWERED.
IF IT'S NEEDED, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS NEEDED BY THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, BY THE TIME IT'S WRAPPED UP, IT'LL NEED TO BE PROVIDED THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD WORK WITH TEXT DOT ON.
YEAH, SAME WITH THE DECELERATION LANE, TURNING RIGHT ONTO GROVE CREEK AND TURNING RIGHT ONTO CARDINAL.
WHY AREN'T WE MOVING IT 10 20 FOOT OVER AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE ROAD THAT'S ALREADY THERE? THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
SO BACK IN 2019 WHEN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA, A LOT OF OUTREACH WAS DONE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND IN 2019 THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES OUT HERE WAS TO LEAVE GROVE CREEK A ROAD ALONE AND TO HAVE CARDINAL COME IN AS A SLIP ROAD.
SO WE ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY ASKED US TO DO.
TO TO, TO PUT THE TRAFFIC ON CARDINAL TO, TO PUT NOT ON, TO HAVE CARDINAL SEPARATE FROM GROVE CREEK, NOT TO TIE IT IN.
RATHER THAN TO HAVE CARDINAL COME IN AND ABSORB GROVE CREEK.
AND THE BENEFIT TO THAT I'LL ADD IS YOU'LL NOTICE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW EXISTING HOMES ON GROVE CREEK ROADS.
SO THOSE HOMES WOULD NOT HAVE TO FRONT THEN ON A FOUR LANE MAJOR ARTERIAL ROAD.
THAT CARDINAL WOULD RUN PARALLEL TO.
THAT'S THE PLAN WE'RE SPEAKING.
THAT GONNA HAPPEN EVENTUALLY ANYWAY.
NO, THE SAW THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, IT'S GONNA DRIVE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT COVERS ROAD STRAIGHT.
IF YOU DO UP, UP TO THE MIC, WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE YOU ON THE RECORDING FOR REQUIREMENTS.
SO TO, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS AN APPROXIMATION CONCEPTUAL, IT'S A CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF WHERE THE MAJOR ROADS ARE GONNA GO.
UM, CARDINAL ROAD IS GOING TO PARALLEL GROVE CREEK ALL THE WAY TO THE CREEK, HOWEVER, IS GOING TO STOP AT VISTA WAY UNTIL THE COUNTY HAS PLANS TO, TO BUILD AN EXTENSION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK.
ANYONE ELSE? SORRY, I'M GONNA TAKE THAT BITE AT THE APPLE.
UM, SO WHAT WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT AND WHY THIS IS JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
CAN YOU BRING UP THAT DIAGRAM OF THE, UH, THE CARDINAL ROAD EXTENSION AGAIN? THANK YOU.
SO THE PEOPLE LIKE I, ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS AND I WHO LIVE ON ROYAL PARK ARE THEN GONNA BE HEMMED IN WITH NO WAY TO GO SOUTH INTO TOWN UNLESS WE COME OUT, GO OUT TO 77,
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GO RIGHT AND HANG A U-TURN OR WE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO VISTA, TURN AROUND AND COME BACK UP.CARDINAL, YOU'RE BASING BASICALLY BLOCKING US IN.
SO EITHER IF THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN, WHICH I HAVE A DREADING FEELING, IT MIGHT, BUT IF THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN, YOU'VE GOT TO MERGE THAT LINE WHERE GROVE CREEK TURNS INTO CARDINAL OR YOU'RE JUST BA YOU'RE BLOCKING IN THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE BLOCKING THEM IN OR JUST CAUSING THEM TO DRIVE ANOTHER TWO, TWO MINUTES TO HAVE A SAFE ENTITY.
BUT I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S SOME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, AND THAT'S A LOT.
YOU'RE ASKING ME TO ADD ALL OF THAT TIME TO ANY DRIVE I MAKE JUST TO GO SOUTH INTO TOWN SAFELY.
SAFELY, YOU KNOW, OR I CAN JUST GO OUT ON 77, MAKE AN ILLEGAL LEFT TURN OR JUST WHICH YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE DOING IT.
AND ANOTHER THING, LIKE IF YOU GUYS ARE, ARE THINKING ABOUT THE IDEA OF, WELL WE'VE TOLD THEM WHAT WAY THAT THEY NEED TO GO AND THE TRUCKERS ARE GONNA USE THIS WAY, JUST REMEMBER EVERYBODY'S GOT WAYS ON THEIR PHONE NOWADAYS AND IF THEY FIND A SHORTER ROUTE ON IT, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO OR NOT.
IF YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO THIS, YOU'VE GOT TO DO BETTER IMPROVEMENTS ON THE ROAD.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? I, SO DIANE MCBRIDE 1 1 5 SUMAC.
UM, I THINK, UM, JENNIFER ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND I THINK SOMEONE SAID MAYBE IT WAS STILL WITHIN THE BEING REVIEWED BY THE CITY.
WHEN, WHEN IS THAT GONNA BE MADE PUBLIC OR WILL IT BE MADE PUBLIC? UH, YEAH, I'M, I'M SURE AT SOME POINT WE CAN MAKE IT PUBLIC.
THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS NOT, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE ZONING IS CHANGED.
THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS GONNA DETERMINE ACCELERATION, DECELERATION, THAT KIND OF INFORMATION.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE ZONING IS EITHER APPROVED OR DIED.
KEISHA, JACK LYLES 2179 ROKI LANE WAAH.
I TRIED NOT TO COMMENT HERE TONIGHT.
UM, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE BEFORE YOU LONG.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR DEVELOPMENT AND BRINGING AND TAXES INTO THE CITY.
I THINK IT IS GREAT TO NOT HAVE TO DRIVE OUT OF THE CITY THAT I MOVED TO IN ORDER TO DO ANY OF MY SHOPPING.
AND I THINK SAM'S CLUB WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE TOWN.
HOWEVER, I AM OPPOSED TO THE LOCATION.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE TOWNSHIP ITSELF AS WE'RE DOING ALL OF THESE BIG DEVELOPMENTS AND THE IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE.
I MOVED FROM A DIFFERENT AREA WHERE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED.
IT HAPPENED WHERE CONSIDERATION WASN'T GIVEN TO THE IMPACT OF INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE CITY.
PEOPLE STARTED HAVING BACKUPS IN THEIR HOME BECAUSE THERE WAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.
THERE WAS A LACK OF WATER AS A RESULT.
UM, AND THIS ISN'T SPECIFIC TO SAM'S CLUB, I KNOW, BUT IT IS A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN A COMPACTED AREA.
AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY CONSIDERATION IS BEING DONE OR TAKEN IN TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT AS WELL.
WE WANNA BUILD, WE WANNA BRING IN MONEY TO OUR TOWNS, BUT AT THE COST OF THE PEOPLE AND THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE, I THINK SHOULD NOT BE THE DECISION IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
IT ALSO, I'M, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAID BECAUSE IT WAS SAID FOR ME, MY BIGGEST CONCERN AND MY ASK AT THE PRIOR MEETING WAS ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC PLAN.
SO WE HAVE, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THROUGH TO HEB, ESPECIALLY ON A WEEKEND BECAUSE
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OF THE NUMBER OF OUT OF TOWNERS THAT COME IN TO SHOP.NOW WE HAVE A TOM THUMB, THEY HAVE THEIR TRUCKS.
WE ALREADY HAVE AN APPROVAL FOR A BJ'S.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR TRUCKS.
WE HAVE ALL OF THE CURRENT BUSINESSES ON 77, THE WAREHOUSES AND THEIR TRUCKS.
AND NOW WE ARE CONSIDERING SAM'S CLUB AND THEIR TRUCKS IN THIS LITTLE BIT OF SPACE.
ALL WE'RE ASKING IS CAN WE TRAVEL A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, WHETHER IT BE FURTHER DOWN 35 OR FURTHER DOWN 2 87 TO GET A LITTLE RELIEF FROM THE CURRENT TRAFFIC JAMS THAT WE ARE FACING ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS.
ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE, MY NAME IS IRA
I LIVE ON 1 0 9 ROSA, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR CARDINAL EXTENSION THAT GOES OVER WHERE IT'S GONNA ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE, UH, GOES OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
UH, HAVE YOU ALREADY GOT APPROVAL BY THE, UH, RAILROAD COMMISSION AS MR. STOKER SAID? THAT'S THAT'S A LONG PROCESS AND IT'S GONNA BE YES, IT'S A YEAR AND A HALF PROCESS.
IS THAT PROCESS TO NORTHERN SANTA FE RAILROAD, IS THAT EXTRA PROCESS THAT YOU'RE TELLING THE CITIZEN GOING TO DISAPPEAR IN THE FUTURE? OR YOU CAN YOU, OR DO YOU GOT A REAL GOOD CHANCE WITH THE UNION PACIFIC OR WHOEVER IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A ISSUE THAT WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO DISCUSS HERE ON THAT.
ON ALL THAT'S NOT IN OUR PERSON.
IT WAS BROUGHT UP THOUGH, THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP.
IT WOULD SHOW WHY DID YOU, AS PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE, WHY DID YOU THAT IF YOU ROAD IS SUPPOSED TO GET EXTENDED TO, TO 35, YOU GIVE PEOPLE HOPE ON SOMETHING, ON EXTENDING THE CARDINAL ROAD, BUT YOU CAN'T GIVE A GOOD OLD CAL.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE SAY THING.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
WE'VE PROBABLY GOT SOME QUESTIONS OF OUR OWN.
WHEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, ALL THE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN US.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
MY NAME'S TOM O'NEILL AND UH, I LIVE AT 100 ROYAL PARK LANE AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE TRAFFIC'S GOING TO BE AND ALL, AND WE DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE THE BJ'S HADN'T OPENED YET.
AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA OPEN A WHOLE NEW, UH, PACKAGE FOR US.
AND I THINK SOMEBODY NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT THAT IF IT HADN'T BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT YET.
RODNEY HOPPER ONE 10 BROOK BEND.
UM, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I, I REMEMBER, UM, I'M SORRY I FORGOT YOUR NAME.
MATT, WE WERE OUT IN THE HALLWAY, UH, TALKING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS HOW, UM, UH, THIS TYPE OF LOCATION IS DESIRABLE FOR, UM, FOR BUSINESSES TO COME IN AND DEVELOP.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? IT'S LESS, IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE FOR SAM'S CLUB, UM, TO PUT IT HERE THAN IT IS OUT, SAY, ON A HIGHWAY.
'CAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF DOING THEIR, THE SIDE BUSTING, RIGHT? UM, I I JUST WONDERED, LIKE FOR SAM'S CLUB, HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IS IT TO GO OUT ONTO 2 87 OR OUT ONTO 35 INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT RIGHT HERE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA? IT MAY NOT BE.
I I I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE CHOSEN THIS LOCATION, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE GOT THE FIGURES OF, OF A LOCATION THAT THEY NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED.
BUT THEY'RE HERE, THEY COULD ATTEMPT TO ANSWER.
I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT LAND IS ONLY AVAILABLE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SELL IT.
SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SELL THIS TRACT OF LAND TO SAM'S CLUB, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SELL LAND ON 2 87 OR 35 TO SAM'S CLUB, BUT SOMEONE WANTS TO SELL THEM THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
IF YOU DRIVE DOWN 2 87, THERE ARE FOR SALE SIGNS UP ON THE HIGHWAY.
OKAY? I MEAN, BUT ALSO THE KEY TO BUSINESS IS LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.
IT'S THE SAME THING FOR BUYING A HOUSE TOO.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS IS WHERE WE LIVE, SO I MEAN YEAH, IT'S WHERE I LIVE TOO.
I MEAN, I, I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO BE AWARE.
I LIVE RIGHT OVER HERE AS WELL, SO, YOU KNOW.
I MEAN, IT, IT AFFECTS US TOO.
AND SAM'S DOES NOT OWN THAT LAND YET.
BUT SOMEONE WANTS TO SELL IT TO 'EM.
ANYONE ELSE? LET'S WRAP THIS UP.
WE'VE, WE'VE, I PROMISE THIS THE LAST TIME.
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PARK LANE.SO, UH, THE THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR PACKET AND YOU HAD, UH, SIX RESPONSES IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE FROM ARLINGTON WITH THE SAME LAST NAME WHO ARE LANDOWNERS.
BUT HE DID, THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY HAD QUESTIONS.
SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, THERE WAS ONE PERSON WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF WHAT I DON'T KNOW.
AND THEN THE SEVENTH ONE THEY HAD, THERE WAS ONLY ONE RESIDENT THAT REPLIED IN THE POSITIVE THAT THEY SUPPORTED THAT LOCATION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT THAT TAX REVENUE.
BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU GO DOWN GROVE CREEK, WE HAVE FLOODING.
THEY'VE SPENT PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORKING ON THAT DRAINAGE.
WHEN WE HAVE A DOWNPOUR, YOU DRIVE DOWN GROVE CREEK AND SEE WHERE THAT WATER IS AND ALL THE CONSTRUCTION JUNK THAT FLOATS OUT ONTO GROVE CREEK.
I JUST THINK WAXAHATCHEE NEEDS TO TAKE A BREATH AND TAKE A REALLY GOOD LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S REAL EASY TO APPROVE THINGS AND YOU'LL GO ON DOWN THE ROAD, BUT YOU NEED TO BE OUT THERE LOOKING AT THAT TOO.
LAURA GRAHAM, UH, 1 5 2 ROYAL PARK LANE.
ONE MORE COMMENT ALONG THE SAME LINES, UM, ABOUT THE CON THE CONGESTION THAT IS HAPPENING ALONG 77, UM, FIVE YEARS AGO, BUCKY'S WANTED TO COME INTO WAXAHATCHEE.
I HEARD AND UM, WAS NOT APPROVED BECAUSE THERE WOULD JUST BE TOO MUCH CONGESTION THERE AT 35 AND BUTCHER ROAD.
NOW, I'M SORRY, THAT'S A MAJOR INTERSTATE.
IF THERE WAS TOO MUCH CONGESTION AT I 35, I CAN'T IMAGINE THE CONGESTION THAT'S GONNA BE AT HIGHWAY 77 WITH A SAM'S.
AND, AND JUST POINT WITH CLARIFICATION, BUCKY'S WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT ACCURATE INFORMATION YOU HAVE, MA'AM.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? YES MA'AM.
I JUST RECALLED A STATEMENT THAT SAM'S CLUB MADE TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT PUTTING BJ'S OUT OF BUSINESS.
WHAT'S THEIR GOAL? YOU HAVE TWO BOX STORES NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
SOMEONE ELSE ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE POOL OF CUSTOMERS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMPETING FOR THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY SHOULD SUCCEED AT THEIR GOAL OF PUTTING BJS OUT OF BUSINESS, THEN LEAVES AN EMPTY BUILDING.
WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THAT? ANYONE ELSE? DIANE SIMAK 2 0 1 BROOKE BEND.
UM, THIS HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN BROUGHT UP, BUT WITH ALL THE EXTRA PEOPLE, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHICH LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I AM AGAINST THAT LOCATION WITH ALL THE EXTRA PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING IN.
DO WE HAVE THE POLICE, DO WE HAVE THE FIRE TO COVER ALL THOSE EXTRA PEOPLE? ALL THOSE EXTRA ACCIDENTS, ALL THOSE EXTRA FIRE, THE AMBULANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC ON 77 IS GONNA BE A NIGHTMARE.
AND ALL THOSE POLICE AND FIRE ARE ALSO GONNA BE NEEDED.
DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THEM? ACTUALLY, THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP.
SORRY, ACTUALLY THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP.
THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE, UH, TOWN HALL MEETING.
MAAM,
WE, WE DON'T WORK OFF OF INNUENDOS AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND CRIME AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
OKAY, WE'LL TAKE IT INTO CONT BUT IT'S WAY ON THE BACK BURNER FOR US.
IT'S JUST NOT, WE, WE HAVE TO LIVE IN THE HERE AND THE NOW.
WELL, AND THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT ANY INCREASED SALES TAX REVENUE THAT THE CITY GETS GOES INTO THE CITY BUDGET.
AND THOSE IN THAT INCREASED TRAFFIC, THOSE, THE INCREASED NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE BUDGET DOLLARS TO ALLOCATE FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS,
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ADDITIONAL FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICERS.ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE, UH, ZACH, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY TRACK THAT ZONED SINGLE FAMILY FROM THE 77 WHERE IT COMES TOGETHER AT 35 AND THE 2 87 BYPASS.
ONE, ONE OF THE FEW AND CERTAINLY THE ONLY ONE REMAINING THAT IS UNDEVELOPED.
SO AS I ZOOM OUT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THIS TAN COLOR THAT'S GONNA BE THE SINGLE FAMILY ONE ZONING DISTRICT.
YOU'LL NOTICE IT IS NOT PRESENT UP AND DOWN 77 HERE, SO YOU'RE CORRECT.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S WHATEVER FEW HOUSES ARE LEFT OVER FROM THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES, I'M SURE, OR FORTIES, THIRTIES, THAT, THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR DOOR ALL BUILT OUT.
WHEN IT'S ALL BUILT OUT, IT'S ALL GONNA BE GENERAL RETAIL.
IT'S GONNA BE INDUSTRIAL, IT'S GONNA BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT'S GONNA BE COMMERCIAL ALL THE WAY FROM THE BYPASS TO WHERE IT CONNECTS, UH, UH, TO 35 THERE IN, IN IN RED OAK.
UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR SAM.
Y'ALL AREN'T PLANNING ANY OUTSIDE STORAGE, RIGHT? THERE'S NO OUTSIDE STORAGE.
THERE'S NO SHIPPING CONTAINERS.
THAT'S GONNA BE, MATT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE'S ONE CONTAINER THAT'S IN THE APPLICATION FOR PROPANE OR FUEL.
THERE, THERE IS ONE IN THE, IN, IN THE, IN THE APPLICATION.
AND COMMISSIONER, I'VE GOT THAT ON SCREEN HERE.
YOU'LL SEE THAT GENERALLY WHERE MY CURSOR IS SITUATED.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE STILL UP THERE? YES, SIR.
UH, YOU'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL RESIDENTS TO, UH, SAY THAT THE, UH, TREE LINE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH.
WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO PUTTING A WALL? WE WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO STUDYING THAT THE WALL DOES WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO.
UM, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WE DO, WE NEED TO, TO BE ABLE TO STUDY.
I I WILL SAY THIS IN, IN TRANSPARENCY, WE'RE NOT CONVINCED THAT A WALL WILL DO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT THERE TO THE DECISION.
WE'RE KIND OF WALKING AND CHEWING GUM AS WE GO.
UH, JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE YOU GUYS.
UM, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO STUDYING IT.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO SHARING OUR FINDINGS.
AND IF IT'S DEEMED THAT ONE'S NOT NECESSARY, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO CONSIDERING IT.
SO I, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT THE HOUSE, THE FIRST HOUSE IS SO FAR AWAY THAT I DON'T THINK A SIX FOOT WALL IS GOING TO BLOCK SOUND FROM THE TRUCK TO A HOUSE 800 FEET AWAY.
THERE'S, THERE'S A 906 FOOT SETBACK, I THINK.
AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, RIGHT? WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS, WE'RE TRYING TO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE ARE, THEY'RE OUR NEIGHBORS.
IF WE DO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET APPROVED AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM IN ORDER TO HAVE A GOOD BUSINESS.
AND SO WE WANNA BE VERY MINDFUL OF THEIR CONCERNS.
AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE TRYING TO MARRY IT WITH ENGINEERING STUDIES AND KIND OF THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF IT AND TRYING TO MARRY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S LIVED EXPERIENCE WITH THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS THAT WE USE TO MAKE DECISIONS TO KEEP 600 CLUBS ACROSS THE COUNTRY RUNNING.
YOU KNOW? AND SO THAT, THAT'S JUST THE TRULY TRANSPARENT ANSWER.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE BEING COED AS SO FAR, THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE, AND IT DON'T SEEM TO INDICATE THAT A, THAT A BARRIER WALL OF CONCRETE OR BRICKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE USEFUL ANY MORE THAN TREES WOULD WITH THE SOUND DISSIPATING.
UM, SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO MARRY, MARRY THAT WITH THE LIVED EXPERIENCE AS THE PEOPLE AND THEN TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION.
HERE'S THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION.
I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT, I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A WALL ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
'CAUSE YOU GOT A LOT OF VACANT LAND THERE.
WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS A IS WHERE YOU SEE YOUR PROPERTY THAT BACKS UP TO THE HOMES.
WOULD THERE BE A POSSIBILITY OF MAKING AN L THERE? I THINK JUST, JUST JUST FROM NO, GO BACKWARDS.
SEE THE NO, BACK TO THE PICTURE.
NO, TAKE THE CURSOR DOWN TO THE HOUSES.
THAT'S WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, BUILDING SOME KIND OF AN, AN L THERE, A WALL THAT, THAT, UH, BUT BUT NOT ALL THE
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WAY ACROSS BECAUSE YEAH.CARDINAL ROAD'S GONNA BE RIGHT THERE BECAUSE I MEAN, ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO THE, UH, WATER PLANT THERE, THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM.
UH, THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM BEHIND YOU.
IT'S JUST THOSE FEW HOUSES THAT MAY BE IMPACTED.
SOME, UH, IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE IT WOULD EVEN BE THAT BIG OF A WALL THAT, SO THAT'S WHAT I, AND I HOPE YOU COULD THROW THAT INTO YOUR STUDY.
I MEAN, WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK, LOOK INTO IT.
I MEAN, THERE, THAT DOESN'T HURT ANY AT ALL.
THERE'S, I MEAN, THE WALL, THE, THE MASONRY WALLS THESE DAYS ARE, THEY'RE CHEAPER THAN, THAN TREES.
THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A COST ISSUE.
IT'S THE FIRST ONE IS MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S CONSISTENCY AS WE'RE BUILDING OUR STORES, RIGHT? UH, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BASE IT OFF OF SCIENCE SOUND ENGINEERING STUDY THAT WE SAY, HERE'S THE SOUND DECIBELS AT THIS PROPERTY AND HERE'S HOW A BARRIER WOULD DISSIPATE THOSE SOUND DECIBELS.
I MEAN, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, AND THEN SECONDLY IS THAT FAR AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY AT NIGHT, WHENEVER WE CLOSE DOWN, IT GETS TAGGED, IT GETS DAMAGED, IT FALLS OVER, AND THEN IT BECOMES A NUISANCE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC.
SO IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S NOT THAT ONE CONCERN IS MORE VALID THAN THE OTHER.
IT'S TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION, UH, BASED ON, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE SOUND DECIBELS.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FACTOR IN INTO YOUR ROII DON'T MEAN ROI FOR MONEY.
I MEAN ROI FROM LIKE, CAN ARE YOU GONNA DEAL WITH THE MAINTENANCE AND IT HEAVY WINDS DROPPED IT OVER AND NOW YOU CAN'T COME BACK FOR A WEEK OR TWO TO FIX IT.
AND VERSUS IF THE DECIBELS, IF THE, IF THE STUDY DOESN'T SHOW THAT THERE'S, IT'S GONNA MITIGATE IT, YOU KNOW, THEN IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US FROM A ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
AND, AND IN, IN LIKE IN 10 YEARS THAT WALL'S STILL GONNA BE SIX FEET.
IN 10 YEARS THOSE TREES ARE GONNA BE 20 FEET.
BUT AM I, AM I NOT CORRECT, THAT CARDINAL CARDINAL ROAD IS GONNA COME IN THERE AND IT'LL SEPARATE THE CLUB FROM ANY OF THOSE HOUSES ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, CORRECT.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY FAR AWAY FROM THOSE HOUSES.
THE THREE OR FOUR HOUSES, THE CLOSEST HOUSE IS A THOUSAND FEET.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR COMMENTS? ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A A STATEMENT FIRST.
AND JUST MAYBE ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
UH, THE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC ON 77 IS GOING TO CONTINUE WHETHER YOU HAVE SAM'S THERE OR NOT.
THE ONLY WAY TO STOP IT WOULD BE FOR THE CITY TO HAVE A MORATORIUM ON BUILDING HOMES.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME THEY BUILD A HOUSE BACK THERE, YOU'RE ADDING AT LEAST TWO TO FOUR CARS.
THEY HAVE TO COME OUT ON THAT ROAD.
IT'S JUST LIKE THEY SHOWED WHILE AGO.
UH, THIS IS BASICALLY A COMMERCIAL AREA ON 77, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO INCREASE AS THAT, AS THAT BACK THERE STARTS TO FILL IN WITH MORE AND MORE HOMES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A, A GIVE ME, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE TRAFFIC ON 77.
UH, AS FAR AS, UH, UH, THE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS, IS THE, THE REVENUE.
AND IT WAS EVEN BROUGHT UP THAT, YEAH, IT'S A GOOD THING.
AND I KNOW, UH, I'M FROM, FROM DPS, TEXAS, AND I KNOW A LOT OF CITIES UP THERE THIS YEAR HAD TO RAISE THEIR TAXES 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE SALES TAX.
SALES TAX IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.
ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO, WE BUILT A NEW FIRE STATION FOR BAY $1 MILLION.
YOU CAN'T EVEN BUY A FIRETRUCK TODAY FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS SALES TAX AND, AND HOW YOU, HOW YOU, UH, UH, USE THAT.
AND I'LL GIVE OUR, OUR, UH, CITY COUNCIL A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THAT.
'CAUSE THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE A LOT THERE.
OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED A CLASS ONE RATING, WHICH IS THE BEST YOU CAN GET IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE COUNCIL, UH, USING THE, UH, SALES TAX MONEY WISELY.
UH, THEY'VE ALSO DONE A LOT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAME WAY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT EXTRA MONEY TO DO THAT.
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AND IF YOU NOTICE, THEY DIDN'T INCREASE YOUR TAXES.AND SO THAT PLAYS A BIG PART INTO THIS.
AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANTED TO COMMENT ON, UH, BECAUSE I HAVE, UH, TWO GRANDKIDS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THE WORKFORCE BEFORE LONG IS I WOULD LIKE FOR 'EM TO STAY HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WORK AND, UH, AND TO HEAR THAT THERE COULD BE 200 TO 10, 250 JOBS RIGHT THERE.
UH, WHERE, WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE A, A CHANCE TO GO TO COLLEGE, UH, WITH THE HELP, I THINK IS A BIG PLUS.
AND SO I, I, I THINK YOU, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, BUT I WOULD NOT TAKE THE TRAFFIC ON 77 AS THE MAIN REASON TO, TO, TO, TO SAY WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO STOP BUILDING HOMES.
SO, UH, UH, I GUESS THAT'S, NO, THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, CHAIR, WE'LL
[6. Consider recommendation of ZDC-75-2025 ]
ENTERTAIN A MOTION.I'LL MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZDC DASH 75 DASH 2025.
A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FROM A GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT, SAM'S CLUB, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OR CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO STIPULATE THOUGH THAT I WANT THE CITY TO GET A COPY OF A SOUND STUDY, UM, AND MAKE A DETERMINATION AT THAT POINT WHETHER A WALL OR FOLIAGE AS NEEDED.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THAT IS THE LAST ITEM WE HAVE ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.
MAYBE YOU, MAN, I WISH I WOULD'VE WENT DOWN THE PATH.
YOU GOT NOTHING? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF.
DO WE NEED ANYTHING FOR US THIS EVENING? YES.
I WANTED TO GIVE, UH, A SHOUT OUT TO THE CHIEF.
HE CHAIRED THE LAST MEETING AND DID.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR US.
TERRY, WHAT? DO YOU GOT ANYTHING? I WASN'T HERE.
DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, PATRICK? NO, I DIDN'T.
YOU YOU GOT ANYTHING? YOU GOT YOUR CHANCE? YEAH, I DO.
PRESIDENT PROMOTION IN ORDER MAYBE FIRST OFF, YOU'RE DONE.
I KNOW MOST PEOPLE ARE GONE, BUT I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT HERE.
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT Y'ALL TO RECOGNIZE, IF ANYBODY'S LISTENING TO ME, OKAY.
THIS STILL HAS TO COME IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
LESS THAN A YEAR AGO, THERE WAS A MAJOR, THERE WAS A MAJOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME IN OVER AT SETTLER'S GLEN, WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL LISTENED TO THE FOLKS THAT WERE OVER THERE.
THIS PLANNING AND ZONING HAS THEIR JOB.
SO I KNOW A LOT OF Y'ALL ARE UPSET, BUT THE COUNCIL LOOKS AT A LOT MORE THAN JUST PLANNING AND ZONING.
DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST THESE FOLKS BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR JOB AS IT RELATES TO PLANNING AND ZONING.
HOW CAN YOU APPROVE SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A FINAL PLOT? CAN I GET YOU UP TO THE MIC IF COUNCILMAN NO, WE'RE WE'RE JUST JOKING.