* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Call to Order] [00:00:04] ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. MY NAME IS MAYOR BILLY WALLACE. UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING, AND THANK YOU FOR LOVING OUR WONDERFUL CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE. AND WITH THAT, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION. YEAH, IF YOU WOULD PRAY WITH, PRAY WITH ME. ASSEMBLY. FATHER GOD, WE THANK YOU, LORD FOR THIS, FOR THIS DAY. WE THANK YOU, LORD JUST FOR, UH, THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES TO PROTECT OUR UH, FREEDOMS. WE THANK YOU, LORD, JUST FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PERSONNEL THIS PAST WEEK IS THEY WERE EXTRA BUSY RESPONDING TO THE TRAIN DERAILMENT. WE JUST THANK YOU, GOD, JUST FOR YOUR HAND OF PROTECTION ON THIS COMMUNITY OF SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE. AND WE JUST ARE SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU, UH, UH, HAVE PROTECTED US IN THAT WAY. UH, WE THANK YOU, LORD, JUST FOR THIS COMMUNITY. AND, UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE THAT, THAT JUST WANNA POUR THEIR HEARTS INTO, UH, SERVING THIS COMMUNITY IN THIS WAY. AND CAN I ASK THE LORD TONIGHT THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH COUNSEL AND GIVE THEM DISCERNMENT AND WISDOM AS THEY DELIBERATE ON THESE VERY IMPORTANT ITEMS, UH, THAT ARE BEFORE THEM, AND WE SATISFY THOSE THINGS IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU, MICHAEL. IF YOU WOULD JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, THE, THAT WOULD BE NICE. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. FOR ALL HONOR, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I FLAG ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD. ONE IN. THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE MAKE WELCOME MS. CAROLINE CONER. PLEASE STAND. WHAT? SO STRIP THE WE, THE . OH, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. GON , MARK OG HOPE GON PRESENT. CUT. GON CARRY. CUT. BABY. CUT. COLOR OFF. MARK. TIME MARCH LAND. RIGHT LAND. RIGHT LAND. LAND. RIGHT. HELLO. MARK. [00:05:01] MARCH. LAND RIGHT. LAND. RIGHT, RIGHT. YOU MAY BE SEATED. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC [4. Public Comments] COMMENTS. PERSONS MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY ISSUES. THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY CONCERN WHETHER ON THIS AGENDA OR NOT, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THE COUNCIL MAY NOT COMMENT OR DELIBERATE SUCH STATEMENTS DURING THIS PERIOD, EXCEPT AS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 5 5 1 0 4 2 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE FIVE MINUTE TIME LIMIT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY. HI, MY NAME IS SAVANNAH WILLIAMS AND I LIVE AT 1 0 8 SOUTH HAWKINS. I'M SPEAKING TODAY IN FAVOR OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUESTED BY ALEX LOWMAN. I BOTH LIVE AND WORK IN THE AREA AFFECTED. I BELIEVE THAT THE ATTRACTION WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY THROUGH TAX DOLLARS REVENUE TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND ADDED AMUSEMENT TO THE FALL FOR HATCHY EVENT. I'VE SPOKEN TO THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS WHERE I WORK ALSO IN THE AFFECTED AREA AT FIVE 11 WEST MAINE. AND THOUGH SHE IS UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS EVENING, SHE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL AFFECT HER BUSINESS NEGATIVELY AND WISHES THE ENDEAVOR AWARE. I BELIEVE THAT WAXAHATCHEE HAS PROVEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE MUCH LARGER CROWDS THAN EXPECTED FOR THIS ATTRACTION THROUGH OTHER MULTI-DAY EVENTS. MOST NOTABLY, BETHLEHEM VISITED THE GINGERBREAD TRAIL AND THE COUNTRY REPORTER FESTIVAL. OUR COMMUNITY LOSES MONEY TO MANY OTHER ATTRACTIONS OF THIS NATURE IN THE DFW AREA. I BELIEVE THIS ATTRACTION WILL BOLSTER OUR DIRECT ECONOMY RATHER THAN LOSING THOSE FUNDS AND INTEREST TO OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE METROPLEX. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. MAD MAYOR, IF I MAY, JUST A REMINDER THAT IF THERE IS AN AGENDA ITEM, IT'S PREFERRED YOU SPEAK DURING THE AGENDA ITEM. WE CAN'T TELL YOU NOT TO, BUT WE CAN'T RESPOND TO ANYBODY. IF YOU SPEAK DURING THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING, COOL. I DON'T NEED TO BE RESPONDED TO. UH, MY NAME IS CHRISSY BROWN. I LIVE AT 5 0 3 WEST PARKS AVENUE. I'M A LIFETIME, UH, CITIZEN. I GREW UP HERE AND I WANNA SPEAK ON THE LOMANS, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT PERMIT. UM, KIND OF TO GO OFF OF WHAT MS. WILLIAMS SAID, I GREW UP HERE AND WE WENT OUTTA TOWN TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS. MY PARENTS TOOK US OUTTA TOWN AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR ALL THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, UM, AND THE KIDS. THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR. UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS SANDRA BEARD AND I RESIDE AT 1607 A ALEXANDER DRIVE. AND I WAS JUST CALL, I'M COMING HERE BECAUSE I HAVE SOME CONCERNS. MY HUSBAND, WHO'S DECEASED, GREW, GREW UP HERE AND HIS KIDS AND HE WORKED AT THE WASATCH SCHOOL DISTRICT. I GOT FIVE MINUTES, I DO KNOW THAT. AND THEN, BUT, UM, MY CONCERNS IS THAT WHEN I CAME BACK, I FEEL SAFE HERE. SO I RESIDE BACK HERE AFTER THEY KILLED MY SON. THE WHITE SUPREMACIST KILLED MY SON IN MY FRONT YARD. HE WAS GOING TO SCHOOL TO BE A DOCTOR. I HAD ANOTHER HOME, A LAKE HOUSE HOME. THEY DIDN'T WANT ME THERE. AND MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR CALLED ME A BLACK N****R BECAUSE I WAS JUST CLEANING UP THE, THE, THE WALK. YOU UNDERSTAND? MM-HMM . I WAS JUST CLEANING UP. SO EVERYWHERE I GO, IT'S NOT WANTED. I'M NOT WANTED AND I'M NOT HAPPY. THEY TRIED, THEY KILLED MY SON [00:10:02] AND EVERYBODY HAD TO RUN TO ME FOR, UH, FOR UH, TO HELP THEM. THEY HAD THEIR KIDS TO COME AND THROW ROCKS WITH N****R ON IT. AND NOW THE, MY NEIGHBOR NOW, WHILE I FEEL SO COMFORTABLE BEING HERE, CALLING ME A N****R, YOU BLACK NIGGER'S WHAT? SHE SAID, I'M NOT A BLACK N****R BECAUSE WHEN YOU CUT, EVERYBODY BLEED SAY THE SAME. I DON'T WANT NO, I DON'T WANT NO CAKES. I DON'T WANT NO PIES. I JUST WANT TO BE WELCOME HERE. AND I FEEL THAT THAT'S WHAT I SUPPOSED TO BE IS WELCOME HERE. I TALKED TO MY PASTOR. SHE SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU GO IN THOSE PLACES? I HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE WHERE I WANT TO LIVE. I DO MENTAL HEALTH. I'M A A SUCCESSOR BUSINESS OWNER. MY PLACE IS A PLACE LIKE HOME, MY BUSINESS, A PLACE LIKE HOME. I DO FOSTER CARE AND I DO MENTAL HEALTH ON MONDAYS. AND I DO MENTAL HEALTH ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAY. I FEED THE HOMELESS EVERY SUNDAY. BUT FOR MY NEIGHBOR, NOBODY, YOU KNOW WHERE I GET MY LOVE FROM 70 11 AND APPLEBEE'S, NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS EVER SPOKE TO ME. AND ALL I'VE DONE WAS CLEANED UP. 'CAUSE THEY OLDER AND I, I KNOW I LOOK LIKE I'M LOOKING, BUT I WAS LIKE, I GOT TO HELP THEM. BUT THEY, I'M LIKE, THIS IS WHO I AM. I WANNA HELP YOU'ALL. Y'ALL OLDER THAN ME, BUT FOR ME TO BE A BLACK N****R IS WHAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE. AND THEN THEY BURNT UP MY CARS. ONE OF 'EM BURNED UP MY CAR, KILLED MY SON IN MY FRONT YARD AND TRIED TO KILL MY OTHER SON BECAUSE THEY SON CAME OUT OF PRISON. AND WE DIDN'T, DIDN'T DO NOTHING. AND ALL THE KIDS AROUND GRAVITATED TO MY HOME. 'CAUSE I HAD A BASKETBALL COURT AND I DO TUTORING. ME AND MY HUSBAND, HE'S A PHYSICAL THERAPIST. I'M A MASTER NURSE. I OPENED HOSPITALS ALL AROUND AND THEY WOULD COME THERE AND WE WOULD JUST DO EVERYTHING. AND THE SON GOT OUT OF THE PRISON AND KILLED MY SON AT MY MAILBOX. AND NOW WHEN I COME HERE WITH MY NEIGHBOR CALLED ME A BLACK N****R, I'M NOT, IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. AND IT HURT MY HEART. 'CAUSE ALL I WAS DOING WAS JUST SWEEPING UP WHEN THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE, WHEN IS IT GOING TO CHANGE? BURNT IN MY CAR AND WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. NO, IT HAS TO STOP. AND MY HEART IS HURT. SO A BLACK N****R IS WHEN I NOT AM, I'M AN AFRICAN QUEEN. YOU UNDERSTAND? AND EVERYBODY WHO DID THIS TO ME HAD TO BEAT DOWN MY DOOR FOR ME TO SAVE THEY LIFE OR THEY WIFE LIFE. AND I DID IT. SO I'M HURT FROM MY NEIGHBOR. WHEN YOU WALK UP FOR CALL ME A BLACK N****R, IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. 'CAUSE I ALREADY LET THEM KILL ONE OF MY SONS. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN. AND BURN UP MY CARS. AND THEN THE, UM, WHEN MY SON WENT AND HE TOOK THE QUARTERBACK POSITION OVER HIS SON, I CAN'T HELP THAT. AND HE, HE, MY BABY WAS RIDING AND HE PULLED A SHOTGUN OUT ON HIM. YOU GOT ABOUT SIX SECONDS. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS REBECCA WILSON. I LIVE AT FORTON WILLIAMS STREET HERE IN WAXAHATCHEE. UM, I AM HERE TO, UH, VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR, UH, ALEX LOWMAN. I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE REBECCA LODGE NUMBER OF 3 81 HERE IN TOWN AS WELL. I BELIEVE IT'LL BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY AND AS WELL IT WILL ALSO BRING MORE, UH, REVENUE IN FOR THE TOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? HI, MY NAME IS SANDY EMMONDS AND I LIVE AT 1310 EAST. MARVIN AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT ALEX AND JENNIFER LOMAN, BRINGING THEIR VERY POPULAR AND LUCRATIVE BUSINESS OF REINDEER MANOR AND POSSIBLY THE FESTIVAL TO WAXAHATCHEE SCORES OF TOWN SITES AND HISTORIC BUILDINGS AROUND [00:15:01] THE US PURSUE DARK TOURISM DOLLARS TO FUND PRESERVATION EFFORTS AND SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY. CITIES FIND THAT TAPPING INTO THIS NICHE CAN PAY OFF HAUNTED ATTRACTIONS SUCH AS HAUNTED HOUSES, GHOST THEME TOURS, AND HISTORIC SITE TOURS BRING IN ABOUT 300 MILLION ANNUALLY IN THE US WAXAHATCHEE WOULD BE ABLE TO TAP INTO THOSE DOLLARS. I KNOW, AND LORI DON'T SHOOT ME IF I GOT THIS WRONG, BUT IN 2023, TOURISTS SPENT 82 MILLION IN WAXAHATCHEE. AND CURRENTLY, APPARENTLY THERE ARE 580 JOBS ATTRIBUTED TO TOURISM HERE. SO IT COULD BE EVEN MORE. NOT ONLY WOULD IT HELP WITH, UH, THE ZIP CODE HERE OF PEOPLE ATTENDING, BUT IT WOULD PROVIDE SEASONAL ENTER OR OUT OF ZIP CODE. I'M SORRY. UM, NOT ONLY WOULD IT PROVIDE OUT OF ZIP CODE TOURISM, BUT WOULD PROVIDE SEASONAL ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE SCORES OF NEW CITIZENS WHO LIVE IN AND AROUND WAXAHATCHEE AS ADMINISTRATOR OF THE ELLIS COUNTY MUSEUM, WHICH I'M NOT HERE TONIGHT AS I'M JUST HERE AS A CITIZEN. I'M ASKED ON A DAILY BASIS THOUGH WHAT'S THERE TO DO AROUND TOWN, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT WITH REINDEER MANOR HERE AND POSSIBLY OTHER ENDEAVORS DURING THE FALL. I WOULD BE ABLE TO INCLUDE IT IN ATTRACTIONS TO SEE, OR DO I KNOW THAT THIS TOURISM WORKS BECAUSE WE JUST SOLD OUT OUR EVENTS FOR GINGERBREAD TRAIL WHEN WE DID THE, UH, CEMETERY TOURS. SO I JUST WANNA LEND MY SUPPORT TO ALEX AND JENNIFER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? HELLO, I'M SHARON SUNNY BORN. I LIVE AT EIGHT OH FIVE BRYSON. UM, I'M HERE AS NOT ONLY A CITIZEN, BUT A BUSINESS OWNER WHO, UM, WILL, WELL, MY BUSINESS WAS RIGHT BY WHERE THEY ARE GONNA BE, BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT SIDE OF THE TOWN IS FORGOTTEN ABOUT. I THINK THEM COMING IN THERE WILL HELP. NOT ONLY BITTERSWEET CON, UH, TWO AMIGOS, WHIRL PORT D'S BECAUSE I SHUT MY STOREFRONT DOWN AFTER A YEAR BECAUSE I WAS FORGOTTEN ABOUT. NO ONE, NO ONE CAME OVER THERE. I HAD SANDWICH BOARDS. I WOULD GO PASS MY CARDS AROUND. NO ONE WALKS OVER THERE WITH THEM BEING THERE. IT'LL LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THE SQUARE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES. ME AND MY BUSINESS PARTNER, NOT MY BUSINESS PARTNER, BUT A BUSINESS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME. WE BOTH HAD TO LEAVE AFTER A YEAR BEFORE. WE TOTALLY LOST EVERYTHING BECAUSE NO ONE GOES OVER THERE. SO THEY ARE BOTH VERY KNOWN HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE FROM HERE, BUT I'VE GROWN UP HERE. REINDEER MANOR IS NOSTALGIC. WHEN I THINK OF THAT, I THINK OF MY CHILDHOOD. I THINK OF FUN, FAMILY ORIENTED THINGS TO DO THAT'S GONNA BRING REVENUE TO BARS, RESTAURANTS, SHOPS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALWAYS BRINGING, BRINGING THINGS INTO THE CITY. BRING SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE. WE HAVE SCREAMS, BUT WE ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SCREAMS. WHAT A MESS IT IS OUT THERE. THIS IS GONNA BE A FAMILY ORIENTED THING THAT'S NOT GONNA ONLY HELP THE BUSINESSES DOWN THERE, BUT IT'S GONNA BRING SOMETHING FRESH TO WAXAHATCHEE. AND IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO WAXAHATCHEE, GIVE THEM SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT. I HAVE GRANDKIDS. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE 'EM TO DINNER AT DE'S AND THEN GO OVER THERE. SO GIVE WALKS. I HAD TO WHAT THEY NEED AND WANT SOMETHING FOR OUR CHILDREN TO DO, SOMETHING FOR FAMILIES TO DO. WE TALK ABOUT BEING FAMILY ORIENTED. HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO GIVE US SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? AGAIN, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AFTER WE DO A COUPLE BUSINESS THINGS. ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS ALEX LOMAN. I LIVE AT 8 0 1 WEST MAIN STREET, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY, OF COURSE, WHO'S COME OUT TO SPEAK OUT ON OUR BEHALF. AND, UM, ODDLY ENOUGH, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THOSE WHO CAME OUT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING LAST WEEK AND SPOKE OUT IN OPPOSITION. UH, IT GAVE US QUITE A BIT TO THINK ABOUT. UH, WE TOOK WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AND FOUND OUT THAT THERE WERE STILL A COUPLE OF SHORTCOMINGS IN OUR OVERALL BUSINESS PLAN. AND IN THIS AMOUNT OF TIME, WE'VE ALSO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS FOR MOST OF THESE. UM, WE HAVE A PLAN THAT WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT THAT INVOLVES, UH, MORE PARKING, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, UH, ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT BEYOND EVEN WHAT OUR, OUR WILDEST DREAM NUMBERS WERE. UH, WE HAVE SOME PLANS IN PLACE TO HELP DEAL WITH TRAFFIC MITIGATION THROUGH THOSE STREETS. [00:20:01] UH, WE HAVE SOME PLANS IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF BOTH MR. WEDDLE AND CATHERINE. I DON'T RECALL HER NAME, BUT THE TWO RESIDENTS ON JEFFERSON THAT HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THERE BEING PARKING AND NOISE IN FRONT OF THEIR RESIDENCES. AND I MEAN, THEIR COMPLAINTS WERE LEGITIMATE. UH, NO, NO ARGUMENT FROM ME ON THAT. UM, BUT WE HAVE A WAY TO OPERATE AND MAKE THINGS QUIET. BUT, UH, AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE'RE REALLY WANTING TO DO IS WITHDRAW OUR REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND WE ARE GONNA START THE PROCESS BACK OVER. UH, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING WITH ALL THIS NEW INFORMATION AND PUT TOGETHER AN EVEN BETTER AND MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAN THE CURRENT ONE WE HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. NEXT ITEM NUMBER FIVE [5. Consent Agenda] IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER ITEM FIVE. CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL NOT BE SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL MATTERS NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT EACH ITEM. ANY ITEM MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION BY ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL COUNSEL? NO. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER AND OR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS AS NECESSARY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PLEASE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU COUNSEL. [6. Introduce Honorary Council Member] NEXT ITEM IS COUNCIL MEMBER CHRIS WRIGHT TO INTRODUCE OUR HONORARY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR JUNE. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. IT'S AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE OUR, OUR COUNCILPERSON FOR THE MONTH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE ACTIVITIES WE'VE HAD GOING ON TODAY. IT'S REALLY A LITTLE EXTRA SPECIAL. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE DV. LEBRON DV WAS, AND HE WROTE THIS, AND I'M GONNA MAKE SOME CHANGES. SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, , HE WAS BORN MANY, MANY MOONS AGO IN PUERTO RICO. HE GREW UP IN NEW YORK CITY AND CALIFORNIA AND HAD A VERY ROUGH CHILDHOOD. HE WAS INVOLVED IN GANGS AND HE NEEDED A CHANGE. HE JOINED THE US NAVY AND HIS LIFE CHANGED. HE TRAVELED ALL OVER ASIA IN THE MIDDLE EAST. HE DEPLOYED TO IRAQ FOR OPERATING ENDURING FREE OPERATION, ENDURING FREEDOM. AND AFTER THE NAVY, HE STARTED A CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. IN 2012, HE TRANSFERRED TO A POSITION IN TEXAS. AND IN 2014, HE MOVED TO WAXAHATCHEE. AROUND 2019, HE WENT TO VOTE AND HE HAD NO IDEA WHO HE WAS VOTING FOR ON THE BALLOT BOX. AND THAT BOTHERED HIM. HE KNEW HE'D BEEN TO WAR AND SO MANY PEOPLE HAD LOST THEIR LIVES JUST FOR THAT, RIGHT? HE STARTED THE VERY FIRST VARIATION OF ELLIS COUNTY TALK, OR THE ELLIS TALKER, AND HE DECIDED TO ASK CANDIDATES IF THEY COME ON HIS SHOW. AND THEY DID. HIS SHOW HAS GRO, HIS SHOW HAS GROWN COVERS, WAXAHATCHEE AND OTHER CITIES IN ELLIS COUNTY. HE VOLUNTEERED FOR THE VETERANS TREATMENT COURT AND HE LOVES TO HELP VETERANS ANY WAY HE CAN. HE LOVES THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE HE'S MET ALONG THE WAY HAVE ENRICHED HIM BEYOND MEASURE. AND IF YOU'VE NEVER LISTENED TO HIS PROGRAM, IF YOU SEE ON FACEBOOK OR SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND IT ADVERTISED. HE INVITES ANY CANDIDATE TO COME ON HIS SHOW SO YOU CAN SEE HOW HE FEELS OR SHE FEELS WHERE THEY FEEL. AND HE'S NONPARTISAN. HE, HE DOESN'T INFLECT ANY OF HIS OPINIONS INTO THE SHOW. HE'S FAIR AND BALANCED AND ASKS THE SAME QUESTIONS OF EVERYBODY HE DEALS WITH. HE'S JUST TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WAY THAT HE HAD NO CLUE WHEN HE WENT TO THE BALLOT BOX. AND FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY, I THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU HERE. DV, YOU COME OVER HERE, WE WANNA GET A PICTURE, YOU WANNA COME OVER HERE. WE WANT GET A PICTURE. [00:25:35] FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, UH, EACH MONTH, UH, WE COUNCIL MEMBER BY ROTATION, WE SELECT AN HONORARY COUNCIL MEMBER. AND, UH, FOR THIS MONTH OF JUNE, IT IS DV, LEBRON. AND I JUST WANNA ADD THE SERVICE THAT COUNCILMAN CHRIS WRIGHT JUST SPOKE OF. DV DOES THAT OUTTA OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF HIS HEART. THERE'S NO COMPENSATION INVOLVED. DV DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE TONIGHT? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO THIS. UM, I, IT'S BEEN SUCH A GREAT EXPERIENCE BEING PART OF ELLIS COUNTY IN GENERAL. ALL THESE PEOPLE I'VE DONE MET, UM, ALL THESE DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE. EVERYBODY HERE IS INVESTED IN THEIR COMMUNITY. MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ARMS THAT I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW BECAUSE OF THIS SHOW. UM, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, MEETING CONGRESSMEN AND, AND, AND STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND, AND EVEN, EVEN BETTER, JUST THE LOCAL FOLKS. UM, I AM TRULY BLESSED WITHOUT BEYOND MEASURE. AND I'M GRATEFUL AND I LOVE THE WAY THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY. THERE'S NOWHERE I I COULDN'T GO IN BROOKLYN AND MEET MY CITY COUNCILMAN OR MY MAYOR, JUST, YOU KNOW, WRITE 'EM UP. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU CARE, YOU GO OUT. I YOU, I'LL BUG YOU AND YOU, I MEAN, I'LL SIT THERE AND EMAIL YOU AND YOU ARE ALWAYS READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR, AND ALWAYS WILLING TO TO HELP YOUR COMMUNITY. AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU THAT YOU GUYS LOVE THIS PLACE ENOUGH TO GIVE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, STEVIE. THAT MEANS A LOT. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, IT IS MY DISTINCT HONOR, ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL [7. Present Proclamation designating the City of Waxahachie as a “Purple Heart City”] TO PRESENT A PROCLAMATION THIS EVENING, DESIGNATED THE DESIGNATING THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE AS A PURPLE HEART CITY. WHEREAS THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE, TEXAS HAS GREAT ADMIRATION AND THE UTMOST GRATITUDE FOR ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SELFLESSLY SERVED THEIR COUNTRY AND THIS COMMUNITY IN THE ARMED FORCES. AND WHEREAS THE PURPLE HEART IS THE OLDEST MILITARY DECORATION IN PRESENT USE AND WAS INITIALLY CREATED AS THE BADGE OF MILITARY MERIT BY GEORGE WASHINGTON IN 1782. WHEREAS THE PURPLE HEART WAS THE FIRST AMERICAN SERVICE AWARD OR DECORATION MADE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMON SOLDIER AND IS SPECIFICALLY AWARDED TO MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES WHO HAVE BEEN WOUNDED OR PAID THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE IN COMBAT WITH A DECLARED ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WHEREAS THE CONTRIBUTIONS AND SACRIFICES OF THE MEN AND WOMEN FROM THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE, TEXAS WHO SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES, HAVE BEEN VITAL IN MAINTAINING THE FREEDOMS AND WAY OF LIFE ENJOYED BY OUR CITIZENS. AND WHEREAS MANY MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES WHILE SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES. AND WHEREAS 16TH OF JUNE, 2025 HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED AS THE DAY THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE TEXAS WILL REMEMBER AND RECOGNIZE VETERANS WHO ARE RECIPIENTS OF THE PURPLE HEART MEDAL. NOW, THEREFORE, I MAYOR BILLY WALLACE, ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM WAXAHATCHEE AS A PURPLE HEART CITY. NOW, IF I COULD HAVE LISA IN THE ENTIRE CHAPTER THAT'S HERE TONIGHT, 1513, JOIN US FOR A PHOTO. [00:31:15] UM, YEAH, GET WITH THE LADY BACK IN THE WHITE SHIRT. GIVE HER YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND SHE CAN SEND YOU THAT PHOTO. OKAY, LISA, YOU WANNA COME ON UP? THANK YOU, COUNSEL. THANK YOU MAYOR BILLY WALLACE. UM, AND THANK YOU TO THE CONVENTION VISITORS BUREAU. UM, LORI MOSLEY AND HER STAFF HAVE BEEN AN OUTSTANDING GROUP TO WORK WITH, AND SO PROFESSIONAL. I HAVE TO SAY I'VE NEVER WORKED WITH A CITY THAT PUT TOGETHER, SO CONGRATULATIONS. YOU HAVE A FANTASTIC TEAM. UM, MY NAME IS LISA HOLMES LITZ AND I AM THE SURVIVING SPOUSE OR GOLD STAR SPOUSE OF ARMY SERGEANT JOHN LITZ. JOHN SERVED IN THE US ARMY AS AN INFANTRYMAN, WAS WOUNDED AND DIED IN 2021. JOHN WAS THE FOUNDER OF OUR CHAPTER IN, UM, IN 2013. HE SERVED TWO YEARS AS THE DEPARTMENT OF TEXAS, UH, COMMANDER. AND, UM, I CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE ADANT FOR THAT CHAPTER. THE PURPLE HEART IS THE OLDEST OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY MEDALS BESTOWED ON THE COMMON SOLDIER FIRST AWARDED AS THE BADGE OF MILITARY MERIT BY GENERAL GEORGE WASHINGTON 70 17 82. THIS AWARD SERVES TO RECOGNIZE THE OUTSTANDING VALOR OF THOSE WHO FELL IN BATTLE AND WHO WERE WOUNDED IN WAR BY THE HANDS OF OUR NATION'S ENEMIES. IN 1930, THE AMOUNT OF WAR DEAD AND WOUNDED DUE TO WORLD WAR I PROMPTED THE US GOVERNMENT TO REVIVE THE MEDAL. FOLLOWING THAT, THE MILITARY ORDER OF THE PURPLE HEARTS ORGANIZATION WAS CONGRESSIONALLY CHARTERED, UH, FOUNDED BY A CONGRESSIONAL LEGISLATION IN 1958. EVERY PATRIOT MEMBER OF OUR ORGANIZATION IS A PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT. OUR FAMILIES MAY JOIN AND THEY ATTEND MEETINGS AND EVENTS AND HOLD OFFICE, BUT THEY ARE ASSOCIATE MEMBERS. THIS BRINGS ME TO THE RARITY OF EVER MEETING A PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT. OF THE 1.9 MILLION AWARDED, ALMOST HALF OF THOSE WERE THE ONES WHO DIDN'T MAKE IT BACK, AND THAT'S WHY WE SET THE PIGEONS FREE. UM, AND SINCE WORLD WAR I, THERE ARE IN CURRENTLY 250,000 LIVING RECIPIENTS OF THE PURPLE HEART HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, THE MAJORITY OF AMERICA'S LIVING HEROES SERVED IN VIETNAM. AND EVERY DAY WE LOSE ANOTHER HERO TO THE AGES OF THE NINE 11 WARRIORS, THERE ARE ONLY 48,000 LIVING RECIPIENTS. AMERICA'S NOT AT WAR NOW. AND WITH GOD'S GRACE, AMERICA WILL NOT BE AT WAR IN THE FUTURE. 20% OF THE NATION'S LIVING RECIPIENTS OF THE PURPLE HEART LIVE IN TEXAS. IF YOU MEET ONE PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT OVER YOUR LIFETIME, IT IS VERY RARE. COULD EVERY PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT STAND IF YOU CAN. THREE, THE OTHER TWO LEFT. THE CHANCE OF MEETING A PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT FOR THE AVERAGE TEXAN IS ONCE IN A LIFETIME. AND WE HAD TA UH, ALMOST SEVEN HERE TONIGHT. SO, UM, WE LOVE WEX. I HAD YOU . IF WE SHOW UP, IT'S BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU. [00:35:01] UH, WITH ME TONIGHT IS THE REGION FIVE COMMANDER GU WITH CHECK WHO COMMANDS SEVEN STATES FOR OUR ORGANIZATION. HIS AIDE DE CAMP JOHN FOOTMAN, WHO ALSO, UH, IS THE PAST DEPARTMENT OF TEXAS COMMANDER. I HAVE CURRENT JUNIOR VICE COMMANDER, UH, OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TEXAS, AND HE'S ALSO THE SENIOR VICE COMMANDER OF OUR CHAPTER, ERIC NEWTON. AND HE'LL FOLLOW ME. I HAVE OUR JUNIOR VICE COMMANDER OF OUR CHAPTER, ERIC WALTER. AND HE, UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, UH, GUNNY JC ALLEN. UH, AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, BUT HE WAS ON HIS MOTORCYCLE AND HE DIDN'T MAKE IT . SO HE'LL, HE'LL HE'LL COME VISIT. UM, BUT ANYWAY, DID YOU KNOW THAT MOST PURPLE HEART RECIPIENTS RETURN HOME AFTER BEING WOUNDED? WORK HARD BUILD BUSINESSES. TEACH, TEACH SCHOOL WORK AS FIRST RESPONDERS. MANY WORK AND FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS. AMERICA'S HEROES KEEP THEIR HEAD DOWN, NEVER EVER SPEAK OF THEIR INJURY OR HOW THEY GOT 'EM AS A CIVILIAN, YOU MAY NEVER KNOW THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO ONE. YOUR NEIGHBOR COULD HAVE A PURPLE HEART. YOUR THESE WARRIORS ARE VERY HUMBLE AND FEEL LUCKY TO BE ALIVE. THEY SURVIVED, OTHERS DID NOT. WITH HEAVY HEARTS, THEY DO NOT COMPLAIN. EACH ONE BEARING SCARS AND WOUNDS THAT WILL NEVER HEAL. AND THEY KNOW TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH SHALL BE REQUIRED. THE PURPLE HEART DESIGNATION OF A CITY IS PART OF A GENERAL AWARENESS PROGRAM TO HIGHLIGHT THE PURPLE HEART RECIPIENTS SERVICE AND SACRIFICE WHILE THEY ARE LIVING, A DESIGNATED CITY IS PLACED ON A NATIONAL REGISTER CALLED THE NATIONAL PURPLE HEART TRAIL. IT IS A COVENANT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE MILITARY ORDER OF THE PURPLE HEART, COMMUNICATING NOT ONLY TO THE PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT, BUT TO BRING HEALING, ENCOURAGEMENT TO ALL VETERANS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO SERVED ALONGSIDE THE WOUNDED AND SAW FRIENDS DIE IN BATTLE. IT HELPS LIFT UP THE MILITARY FAMILY MEMBERS AND PUBLICLY STATES THAT THE CITY IS A STEADFAST SUPPORTER OF ALL VETERANS, HONORING SACRIFICES OF AMERICA'S COMBAT WOUNDED AND WAR DEAD, AND WILL FOREVER CHERISH THESE VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES. ON BEHALF OF CHAPTER 1513, AND ON BEHALF OF PURPLE HEART FAMILIES LIKE MINE AND SO MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE LOST A HERO TO WOUNDS OF WAR, WE THANK YOU AND THE ENTIRE CITY FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED THEIR COUNTRY. NOW I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR CHAPTER, SENIOR VICE COMMANDER, WHO ALSO SERVES AS THE JUNIOR VICE COMMANDER FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF TEXAS COMMANDER ERIC NEWTON. GOOD AFTERNOON OR EVENING. I CAN'T TELL. IT'S DARK IN HERE. DARK OUTSIDE. UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY. WHEN I SERVED IN THE US ARMY, I WAS A TANK COMMANDER AND WAS WOUNDED IN COMBAT IN VIETNAM, WHILE UNDER THE COMMAND OF COLONEL GEORGE S. PATTON, THE SON OF ONE OF OUR NATION'S MOST FAMOUS WORLD WAR II HEROES. 36 YEARS LATER, I SERVED WITH THE SAME CALVARY UNIT IN IRAQ. AS I TRAVEL THROUGHOUT THIS GREAT STATE AND COUNTRY, I FIND THAT IT'S THE SMALL TOWNS THAT HAVE KEPT THE TRADITIONAL GOOD VALUES OF SUPPORTING THEIR NEIGHBORS, THEIR FIRST RESPONDERS AND THEIR MILITARY. A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THIS IS ON DISPLAY HERE TODAY, THANKS TO THE GREAT LEADERS OF WAXAHATCHEE, A CITY WHERE GOOD VALUES STILL EXIST AND THEIR LEADERSHIP TRULY CARES ABOUT THEIR CITIZENS. TODAY WE'RE REMEMBERING AND HONORING ALL PURPLE HEART RECIPIENTS, LIVING OR DEAD. EACH MEMBER OF THE MILITARY WHO DIED WHILE DEFENDING OUR COUNTRY RECEIVED THE PURPLE HEART MEDAL. EACH LIVING VETERAN WHO WAS WOUNDED RECEIVED THE PURPLE HEART MEDAL AND GAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THEMSELVES, MAY HAVE SUFFERED DISABLING WOUNDS, VISIBLE, NOT SO VISIBLE, AND EXPERIENCED TRAUMATIC EVENTS FOR YOU. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WE'RE USING THIS MOMENT TO EDUCATE ALL CITIZENS OF THE SACRIFICE OF YOUR VETERANS, AND TO REMIND EVERYONE TO THANK THEM FOR GIVING US THE FREEDOM WE ENJOY TODAY. I THANK YOU AND THE ENTIRE CITY FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND DEDICATION TO THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED OUR COUNTRY. ON BEHALF OF OUR COMBAT WOUNDED VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS, WE THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR BEING THE KIND OF AMERICANS WORTH FIGHTING FOR. THANK [00:40:04] I WOULD I LIKE TO ALSO MENTION, UH, WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF SPECIAL CONGRESSIONAL RECOGNITION FROM CONGRESSMAN JAKE ELSIE, PRESENTED TO THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE IN RECOGNITION OF YOUR DESIGNATION AS A PURPLE HEART COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO HONORING PURPLE HEART RECIPIENTS. [8. Present Proclamation recognizing June 4, 2025-July 4, 2025 as “Crape Myrtle Month”] NEXT ITEM, PRESENT PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING JUNE 4TH, 2025 THROUGH JULY 4TH, 2025 AS THE CRATE MYRTLE MONTH. THIS PROCLAMATION READS, WHERE'S THE 75TH TEXAS STATE LEGISLATURE IN-HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NUMBER 14 NAMED THE CITY OF WAXAHATCHEE, THE CRATE MYRTLE CAPITAL OF TEXAS. WHEREAS THIS RESOLUTION WAS PASSED IN 1997, AFTER THE CRATE MYRTLE COUNCIL SPENT MANY HOURS IN AUSTIN PROVING THEIR CASE FOR THIS DESIGNATION. AND WHEREAS REPRESENTATIVE JIM PITTS AND SENATOR JANE NELSON WERE LEADERS IN THE LEGISLATURE IN THIS ENDEAVOR. AND WHEREAS THE CRATE MYRTLE COUNCIL, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU AND LOCAL BUSINESSES HAVE SPONSORED A CRATE MYRTLE FESTIVAL IN JULY EVERY YEAR SINCE 1998 WITH AN ORCHESTRA OR A BAND AT THE ATCH SPORTS COMPLEX AND A FIREWORKS DISPLAY. AND WHEREAS A PARADE HAS BEEN HELD ON JULY 4TH EVERY YEAR SINCE 1998 THROUGH DOWNTOWN WAXAHATCHEE TO HONOR OUR COUNTRY AND THE CREPE MYRTLE TREE, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL AND IN FULL BLOOM THIS TIME OF YEAR, AS WELL AS HONORING THE CRATE MYRTLE QUEEN, WHO REPRESENTS THE CRATE MYRTLE CITY. AND WHEREAS IT IS IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE SHOWING OUR CITY'S SUPPORT FOR THE TITLE WE SO PROUDLY CARRY AS THE CRATE MYRTLE CAPITAL OF TEXAS. NOW, THEREFORE, I MAYOR BILLY WALLACE ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM TUESDAY, JUNE 4TH, 2025 THROUGH THURSDAY, JULY 4TH, 2025 AS CRATE MYRTLE MONTH. IF WE COULD, IF YOU WOULD MEET US DOWN FOR A PHOTOGRAPH. OKAY. READY? ONE, TWO. NO, WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. [00:45:05] ALL RIGHT. NEXT [9. Public Hearing on a request by Alex Lohmann, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for an Amusement, Indoor (Haunted House) use within a Light Industrial-2 (LI-2) zoning district located at 500 W Madison Street, Suite B (Property ID 171075) - Owner: Big Blue Truck LLC (ZDC-69-2025)] ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY ALEX LOMAN FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN AMUSEMENT INDOOR HAUNTED HOUSE USED WITHIN ALLI INDUSTRIAL TWO ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 500 WEST MADISON STREET. SUITE B OWNER IS BIG BLUE TRUCK, LLC. TRENTON. YES. THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR INDOOR AMUSEMENT. UM, HOWEVER, DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION FROM CONSIDERATION. SO THIS WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE RESUBMITTED, REPOSTED AND GO BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION THEN RESCHEDULE FOR CITY COUNCIL. WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION DURING THE CONSENT AGENDA OR DURING THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING THOUGH, SO THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DISCUSS THE ITEM AND THAT WOULD'VE TO BE REQUESTED. NOW IS MY UNDERSTANDING. UM, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO REQUEST A WITHDRAW FROM CONSIDERATION. IF YOU WITHDRAW THIS MOTION, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE STEPS AGAIN. SO REPOSTING IN THE NEWSPAPER, ALL, ALL, ALL OF THAT, UM, THAT WOULD PUSH YOU AT BEST LATE JULY LIKELY AUGUST, UM, TO GET BACK BEFORE US. WE, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO TABLE IF THERE'S ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. UM, AND IF YOU NEED THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE TO GET SOMETHING PASSED AND THERE ARE ITEMS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A FULL COUNCIL HERE, THAT MIGHT BE YOUR BEST ROUTE. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO, WE'RE PREPARED TO, WE JUST WITH, WITH A NECESSITY TO HAVE A HYPER MAJORITY AND THERE BEING A COUNCILMAN SHORT TODAY, WE FELT LIKE IT MIGHT BEHOOVE US TO, TO PUT THAT OFF A LITTLE BIT. AND ESPECIALLY SINCE IN, LIKE I SAID, IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE KIND OF COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN TO HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK AND TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, BE LESS IMPACTFUL. SO THE OPTIONS HERE WOULD BE FOR THE WITHDRAWAL, WHICH I WOULD, I MEAN, I CAN'T GIVE YOU LEGAL COUNSEL, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CAN, WE CAN SEND YOU BACK TO PNZ FOR CONSIDERATION AND NOT HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THOSE FIRST PARTS OF, OF, UH, THE WHOLE PROCESS. OR WE CAN DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES NOW, UM, FIND WHAT THOSE OPTIONS WOULD BE, UH, TO IMPROVE WHAT THE SUP IS AND THEN APPROVE THE SUP WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS. IS AM I PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING ON YES, YOU CAN DISCUSS IT SUBSTANTIVELY HERE AND AMONGST YOURSELVES. WHAT, BASED ON THE TIMELINE AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, WHAT YOU'VE HEARD ALREADY, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST OUTCOME BASED ON WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS FOR THIS ITEM? I LIKE THAT. OKAY. AND WE ALSO WANTED TO HEAR WHAT Y'ALL'S CONCERNS WERE ON THIS WHOLE THING AND MAKE SURE WE CAN GET THOSE ADDRESSED AS WELL. OKAY. WE KNOW ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS IS PARKING. RIGHT? SO I THINK, UM, FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 110 AND WE HAVE GOTTEN ACCESS TO AN ADDITIONAL 70 PAVED PARKING SPACES. AND WE HAVE, UM, HOW DO WE HANDOUTS IF OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW? RIGHT. OKAY. SO SAY WHATEVER YOU NEED TO SAY AND THEN I HAVE TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SURE, YES MA'AM. AND THEN CLOSE IT. OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IF THAT, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THAT. SURE. OKAY, GOTCHA. OKAY. SO WE HAVE ACQUIRED 70 MORE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT ARE, UM, ADJACENT TO OUR BUILDING. AND THAT WOULD PUT US AT 112, UM, SPECIFIC PARKING SPACES JUST FOR THE HAUNTED HOUSE. SO THAT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING. UH, WE'RE ALSO ONLY ASKING FOR ONE YEAR SUB SO THAT Y'ALL CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN DO SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT FIT FOR US, IT'S RIGHT FIT FOR YOU. UH, WE'RE ONLY OPEN NINE NIGHTS. WE'RE, UM, MORE THAN OPEN TO ADJUSTING OUR HOURS TO END AT THE 11:00 PM CUTOFF TIME. UM, FURTHERMORE, UH, WE'VE RECENTLY LEARNED THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY GET ACCESS TO NO PARKING SIGNS THAT WE COULD PUT UP AND DOWN JEFFERSON STREET TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM PARKING IN FRONT OF BOWEN, MRS. BOWEN'S HOME, UH, AS, AS WELL AS MR WELL, UH, SINCE THEY KIND OF EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. UH, AND WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO INVESTIGATE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, THE POSSIBILITY OF UNABLE TO ALTER TRAFFIC ON THOSE STREETS AND MAKE IT A ONE WAY FOR THE DURATION OF THE OPERATION. SO THERE'S NO TRAFFIC CROSSING. THERE'S ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S THE BASIC SUM TOTAL OF IT. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, MY NAME IS KATHLEEN BOWEN, 5 27 WEST JEFFERSON STREET. AND I, I GUESS I TOOK A LITTLE EXCEPTION TO HIM SAYING THAT I DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING IN FRONT [00:50:01] OF MY HOUSE. UM, THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE. UM, I DO HAVE CONCERNS, BUT I'M VERY CON I GUESS ONE OF 'EM TONIGHT IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE READ WHAT THE PACKET HAD AND NOW THINGS ARE CHANGING. SO, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY NEED TIME TO REVIEW THAT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT'S MY COMMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHAT'S GOING ON IS THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED ANY OF THIS AS A COUNCIL. WE, WE CAN'T DISCUSS THIS UNTIL IT'S ON THE AGENDA AND WE'RE IN A PUBLIC MEETING, SO THERE'S NOTHING TO UPDATE YOU ON UNTIL WE CAN DISCUSS THIS OPENLY, UM, IN AN OPEN SESSION. ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS JOHN WEEDLE. I LIVE AT FOUR 17 WEST JEFFERSON, AND MY BACK LOT IS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WEST MADISON AND PATTERSON STREET. SO I HAVE A VERY GOOD VIEW OF THE AREA. UM, I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE, UH, REQUESTERS COME UP WITH BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME TO MY MIND AFTER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. SO I'M NOT READY TO STATE WHAT THOSE ARE RIGHT NOW. BUT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES. AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE EARLIER, UH, IT'S, THERE'S SOMETHING MORE INVOLVED HERE THAN REVENUE TO THE CITY. IT'S SAFETY OF PEOPLE GOING TO THAT VENUE AND THAT SECTION OF TOWN IS NOT WELL LIT. UH, IT'S, IT'S THE RAIL PORT BREWING AND D RESTAURANT ALREADY HAVE PARKING ON THE STREETS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES BESIDES JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE HEARD MENTIONED TODAY. UH, AND I WAS PREPARED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE THINGS, BUT AS YOU DO, I NEED TO HEAR WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE, WHAT THEY'RE COMING UP WITH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? HELLO. SO MY NAME IS KAYLIN MCCARTHY. MY ADDRESS IS 3 0 7 HIGHLAND AVENUE AND FOR THE LAST 17 YEARS, I'VE PRODUCED THEMED ATTRACTIONS IN THE GREATER ELLIS COUNTY AREA. FIRST 10 YEARS AT SCREAMS. AND THEN SINCE 2014, I'VE BEEN THE SCENIC DIRECTOR AND SITE MANAGER OF WOK HATCH'S BETHLEHEM. REVISIT. JUST TO SHED A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT ON THE NOTION OF THIS HEAVY ATTENDANCE VISIT COULD APPEAR TO BE FROM THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS OPERATE BEFORE. BETHLEHEM IS CAPABLE OF DRAWING 5,000 PEOPLE A NIGHT TO A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA WITH MINIMAL TRAFFIC AS WHERE THIS ATTRACTION IS SLATED TO SEE APPROXIMATELY 300 A NIGHT THROUGH A FIVE HOUR SPAN AS OPPOSED TO THREE. WHEN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 50 PEOPLE AN HOUR LESS THAN THE OCCUPANCY OF A STANDARD RE OOH RESTAURANT DINING ROOM. ASIDE FROM THAT, THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANTED TO SHED LIGHT ON, BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOW IS THE TIME FOR COUNSEL TO DISCUSS OR, UM, AND IF THERE'S NOT ANY DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. CAN WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF FIRST? DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE THAT? I'M ALWAYS MORE THAN HAPPY TO GIVE A PRESENTATION. UM, YEAH, SO THE, UH, WHAT THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS FOR A SPEC SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR INDOOR AMUSEMENT OF A HAUNTED HOUSE. UM, I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS QUICKLY. THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS SPECIFICALLY LOCATED TO THIS LOCATION YOU SEE OUTLINED HERE. UM, SUITE B WITHIN THIS EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. UM, THERE'S ALREADY TWO EXISTING USES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE. AND SO THIS SUP WOULD BE LIMITED TO THIS AREA. ONCE AGAIN, STAFF HAS PUT CONDITIONS ON THE SUP REGARDING THE EXPIRATION. UH, WE DO HAVE A ONE YEAR EXPIRATION. THIS IS ONLY GOOD FOR 2025 IN THE EVENT, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO REOPEN NEXT YEAR. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS SIMILAR PROCESS, PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. UM, ADDITIONALLY, PER THE ZONING REGULATIONS AS EARLIER STATED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, THERE ARE 110 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED PER CODE, UM, DUE TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE STRUCTURE. AND, UM, AT THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED. UM, THEY WERE NOT MEETING, UH, PARKING. THE ON, UH, ONSITE PARKING WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE MET. THEY'RE MEETING THAT PARKING THROUGH, UH, VARIOUS AGREEMENTS OF PROPERTIES, UM, ALONG PATTERSON, UM, STREET, SOME BUSINESSES, UH, IN THIS AREA TO USE SOME OF THOSE PARKING. UM, IN ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS, THEY WERE WORKING ON ADDITIONAL AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER BUSINESSES TO OBTAIN THE REMAINING NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO BY CODE. UH, THE PROPERTY IS, UH, CURRENT PROPERTY IS ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TWO DISTRICT IS MOSTLY SENT ROUND BY SIMILAR ZONING [00:55:01] AND SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH. THIS DID GO BEFORE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION. UH, IT DID RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL WITH A THREE TWO VOTE, UM, AS PART OF THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. UM, SOME OF THOSE WERE ALREADY MENTIONED. UH, IT'S LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION, THE NUMBER OF DAYS A YEAR THAT THEY CAN OPERATE, WHICH ARE ALL LISTED WITHIN YOUR PACKET TODAY. I BELIEVE IT'S A TOTAL NUMBER OF NINE NIGHTS ON HALLOWEEN NIGHT. THEY WILL BE, UH, THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE OPEN BETWEEN SEVEN AND 10 OTHER NIGHTS, 8:30 PM TO 11:30 PM UH, SOME STAFF'S. OTHER CONCERNS REGARDING THE, AND SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ARISEN WAS REGARDING A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. UM, WE HAVE GONE INTO THE BUILDING AND HAVE DETERMINED THAT THERE IS AN OPERATIONAL, AN OPERATING, OPERATIONAL, UH, FIRE SYSTEM WITHIN, UH, THE BUILDING. UM, THE APPLICANT PROBABLY SPEAK MORE ON THIS, BUT, UH, REGARDING NOISE, UM, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MEET OUR NOISE, UH, NUISANCE PRO, UH, NOISE NUISANCE CODE OF ORDINANCES REQUIREMENTS. UH, PER THE OPERATIONAL PLAN, THEY HAVE, UH, SHOWN THAT THEY CAN MEET THAT WITHIN NOISE WITHIN INSIDE THE BUILDING. UH, ONCE AGAIN, UH, HERE'S A PARKING PLAN. HERE'S A PLAN, UM, SHOWING THE SITE LAYOUT, SHOWING A PROPOSED PARKING, UM, AND VARIOUS WHERE THE FIRE EXTINGUISHER, UH, WHERE THE FIRE HYDRANTS WERE LOCATED WITHIN THE SITE PROPERTY AND SHOWING THE VARIOUS DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE. HERE IS THE FLOOR PLAN, UH, SHOWING, UH, VARIOUS ROUTES OF THE HAUNTED HOUSE, OF THE PATHS THAT THEY WOULD GO. UM, THEY INCLUDED AS PART OF THEIR PACKET, A EMERGENCY RESPONSE SYSTEM OF IN CASE THERE IS AN EVENT THAT DOES OCCUR. THEY DO HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE THAT THEY HAVE SHARED WITH THE CITY OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN DEPENDING UPON THE TYPE OF EVENT AND THE SEVERITY OF THE EVENT OF HOW THE SHOW WILL STOP LIGHTS COME ON. UM, EMERGENCY, THEY CAN GET EMERGENCY RESPONDERS IN PEOPLE OUT QUICKLY. HERE IS, UH, THE PROPOSED PARKING PLAN. UH, THESE ARE THE, THE AREAS WITH XS ON THOSE IS WHERE THE PROPOSED PARKING WOULD BE LOCATED. AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, ALONG PATTERSON AND MADISON STREET, UH, THEY DO HAVE TWO PARKING LOCATIONS OFFSITE, AND THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING SOME ONSITE PARKING. BUT ONCE AGAIN, THIS ONSITE PARKING WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO MEET THEIR, UH, REQUIREMENTS ALONE. UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE PARKING THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IS LOCATED FURTHER. IT'S JUST OUT OF THE IMAGE. UM, BUT FURTHER, UH, SOUTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH CAN ACCOMMODATE THE REMAINING NUMBER OF SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED. UM, AS OF POSTING THIS AGENDA, UH, STAFF DI AMOUNT NOTICES ALL PROPERTY ITEMS WITHIN 200 FEET. UM, WE DID RECEIVE THREE LETTERS IN OPPOSITION. UH, WE DID RECEIVE 11, UH, LETTERS IN SUPPORT. AND THEN YOU'VE ALSO RECEIVED ADDITIONAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT WERE HANDED OUT TO EACH ONE OF YOU PRIOR TO THIS MEETING STARTING. AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. ONE QUESTION, JUST FOR CURIOSITY. I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT I DID WATCH IT ON THE STREAM. AND AT THE TIME THEY SAID THE BUILDING WAS 11,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT ONLY 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO ACTUALLY BE USED FOR THE HAUNTED HOUSE. WAS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT DEVELOPED ON THE 11,000 SQUARE FEET NUMBER OR ON THE 5,000 SQUARE FEET NUMBER? IT WAS, UH, ON THE 11,000 SQUARE FEET. IS THAT REQUIRED ON FIRE CODE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S THE ZONING ORDINANCE, PARKING REGULATIONS THAT IT GOES ON THE ENTIRE BUILDING REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU USED. UH, CORRECT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE SAME THING AS WHAT OCCURRED WITH SHELBY SYMMETRY. UM, WHEN WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THEN THAT AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND WE STILL HAVEN'T. UM, IT'S BEEN REQUESTED TO BE ON A SPECIAL, ON A SPECIAL MEETING AT LEAST ONCE, BUT IT HAD, WE HAVE NOT HAD THE BANDWIDTH TO DO THAT YET. BUT IF YOU REMEMBER THEN WHEN SHELBY'S WAS ASKING TO PUT IN THAT GYM THERE, AND IT'S A BOUTIQUE GYM, THEY NEEDED 110 SPACES OR 120 SPACES WHEN THEY CAN ONLY ACCOMMODATE, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 35 PEOPLE AT A TIME OR SOMETHING. SO IT'S, IN MY OPINION, IT FALLS IN THAT SAME GROUP OF WE JUST GOT A REALLY OLD PARKING ORDINANCE THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE BUSINESS ACTUALLY IS. UM, CAN Y'ALL, CAN THE BUSINESS OWNERS COME? 'CAUSE I'M ON THAT SAME POINT WITH HOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN BE INSIDE THE ATTRACTION AT ONE TIME? LIKE WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY TO [01:00:01] EVEN BE ABLE TO RUN 'EM THROUGH THERE? I THINK THE, THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF THE HAUNTED HOUSE WHERE IT IS, UM, WOULD EXCEED. UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE COULD FILL IT FULL, IS, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD PHYSICALLY BE ENOUGH PEOPLE HERE TO FILL IT FULL. I THINK WHAT HE'S ASKING IS, BUT WHAT WOULD THE FIRE CODE ALLOW YOU TO HAVE IN THERE AT ONE TIME, THE NUMBER UNDER 5,000 SQUARE FEET? HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ALLOW YOU TO HAVE IN THERE? I'M ASKING MORE FOR, I MEAN LIKE WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING ON THE, LIKE THE SHOW ITSELF MM-HMM . YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T JUST FUNNEL 5,000 FOLKS THROUGH RIGHT THROUGH THERE AT ONE TIME BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ACTORS IN PLACE AND THE, WE DO A GROUP OF SIX ABOUT EVERY MINUTE AND A HALF. OKAY. BUT, AND IF WE'RE GOING FULL TIP PART, PART OF WHAT WE'VE DONE TO CURB THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING AT ONE TIME, WHICH WOULD ALSO HELP ALLEVIATE PARKING, IS WE'VE, WERE INSTITUTING TIME TICKETING. SO YOU HAVE TO BUY YOUR TICKET IN A 30 MINUTE TIME BLOCK WITH LIMITED NUMBER OF TICKETS AVAILABLE PER TIME BLOCK. SO THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY BE IN THE BUILDING AT ONE TIME JUST BASED ON TICKET SALES ALONE. SO HOW MANY TICKETS PER HOUR WILL WE SELL? UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA LIMIT TO ABOUT 110 TOTAL. AND THAT WOULD BE THE WHOLE TIME OR ON THAT BUSY WEEKEND THAT, THAT WOULD BE MORE TOWARDS GETTING UP TOWARDS BUSY SEASON? YEAH. UM, GENERALLY THE FIRST, UH, FIVE, FOUR OR FIVE NIGHTS A HUNDRED HOUSES OPEN, THAT'S PEOPLE JUST NOT EVEN REMEMBERING HALLOWEEN'S A THING YET. SO IT'S VERY SLOW. YOU DO THE MAJORITY OF YOUR BUSINESS THE LAST TWO, UH, WEEKENDS OF THE MONTH. REAL WORLD. THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKENDS WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 200 TO TWO 50 FOR A NIGHT. IT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY RECENT, SO LET'S JUST SAY YOU'RE, LET'S JUST UP IT AND SAY YOU HAD 150 IN THERE IN AN HOUR. YEAH. AND HOW MANY, I THINK YOU SAID AT THE OTHER MEETING, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN A CAR WE AVERAGE FOUR. SO YOU DIVIDE THAT IN TO SEE HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE COMING INTO THE AREA. AREA, CORRECT. SO 10 35, 10 AN HOUR, 20 AN HOUR IF IT'S FOUR IN A CAR AND WELL IT'S A HUNDRED. SO EACH, WE CAME UP WITH ABOUT 25 TO 30 IS A PRETTY REASONABLE EXPECTATION FOR THE AMOUNT OF CARS. THE REASON I ASK YOU THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU GUYS CAME TO US ORIGINALLY MM-HMM . ABOUT THE OTHER LOCATION YES. YEAH. ON JACKSON. AND I THINK AT THAT TIME A MAJORITY OF COUNCILS WAS THINKING REINDEER MANOR AND RED OAK. WHEN YOU GUYS HAD A HOUSE AND A BUNCH OF ACREAGE THERE. WE HAD 33 ACRES AND WHAT'S GOING ON AT SCARBOROUGH FAIR AND THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT GO THERE. AND THAT'S NOT ANYTHING WHAT WE'RE DOING. YEAH. BUT THEN IF I'M, THEY WERE PICTURE AND TARGET, WE WANT TO OPEN A BOUTIQUE, BUT I'M CORRECT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. YEAH. BUT ON THE VIDEO WHEN I WAS WATCHING YOU GUYS, Y'ALL SAID 3,502 YEARS AGO IN, IN GRAND PRAIRIE IN RANCH, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2,800. CORRECT? DID HOLD IT UP. YES. YEAH. PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE. BUT IT WAS YEAH, JUST UNDER 3,202 YEARS AGO THEN LAST YEAR WAS A LITTLE OVER 2,800. YEP. SO IF WE SAY 3000 LAST YEAR JUST TO UPDATE, THAT WOULD BE AN AVERAGE IF IT WAS 3000 PEOPLE AND, AND WE AND THAT'S OVER NINE NIGHTS. CORRECT. AND IT'S WITH THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT WE HAVE HERE. SO THE, THE HAUNTED HOUSE IN GRAND PRAIRIE WASN'T ANY BIGGER OR SMALL AS THE EXACT SAME ONE RIGHT. JUST SET UP INDOORS? YES. AND HOW MANY HOURS DOES IT RUN EACH DAY? FOUR. SO I MEAN YOU'RE AT 83.3 REPEATING PER HOUR WITH THE 3000 OVER LIKE THE NINE NIGHTS. SO YOU JUST SAID FOUR HOURS. I THOUGHT TRENTON SAID EIGHT 30 TO 1130. WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE HOURS THAT YOU SAID TRENTON ON THE, ON THE ORIGINAL ONE IT WAS EIGHT 30 TO 1130. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE NORMALLY RUN. UM, BUT WITH, UH, WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO ADJUST OUR HOURS TO ACCOMMODATE FOR NOISE AND LATENESS AND RUN AT SEVEN TO 11. I JUST, THE REASON I'M ASKING YEAH. I JUST WANNA GET THE RIGHT NUMBER HOURS TO BE BY, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING DAY. IT WOULD BE FOUR HOURS REGARDLESS OF START STOP FOUR HOURS IS WHAT WE RUN, WHICH CAME UP TO 83 PEOPLE. YEAH. AN HOUR BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY PRIOR. SO EVEN STILL THAT'S BELOW THE, THE SIX PEOPLE EVERY MINUTE AND A HALF . OH YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, AND AND I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. AND I THINK AT PNZ YOU MENTIONED HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE, LIKE THE FIRST GROUP OF SIX OR WHATEVER RIGHT. HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE THEM TO ACTUALLY GET THROUGH THE HAUNTED HOUSE AND FROM THE TIME THEY WALK INTO OUR DOOR, GET THEIR TICKET, GET THROUGH THE Q LINE, GET THROUGH THE ACTUAL HAUNTED HOUSE, WE ESTIMATE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 35 AND 40 MINUTES TOTAL TIME THERE. OKAY. SO, AND, AND THAT INCLUDES A FULL HOUSE WAIT TIME AND, AND ALL OF OUR QUEUE LINES WOULD BE INDOORS. THEY WOULD BE INDOORS WAITING IN THE QUEUE LINE. SO IT, IF IF YOU HAD THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE SIX, EVERY ONE AND A HALF MM-HMM . WHATEVER, WHAT ARE YOU PROBABLY LOOKING AT 40 OR 50 IN THERE AT ONE TIME GOING THROUGH IT AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE EXCESSIVE. [01:05:01] RIGHT. OKAY. FOR THIS TYPE OF, TO GET A FEEL FOR RIGHT. CORRECT. FOR YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE'S ANY HAZARDS. I KNOW THAT Y'ALL WENT INTO GREAT DETAIL BEFORE AS TO, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LIGHTS COMING ON THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THIS DOES THIS OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE SYSTEM. YES SIR. YEAH, IT'S VERY EFFECTI. SO, UM, SO AS IT RELATES TO THAT THEN 40 OR 50 INSIDE ONE TIME CORRECT. WOULD BE EXCESSIVE. CORRECT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN WRIGHT, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE US THE FIRST TIME WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY, THAT WAS FOR A ZONING CHANGE. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT JUST THE THOUGHT PROCESS IN MY MIND AT THAT TIME WHEN I WAS GOING ON BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THEY WANTED WAS A ZONE CHANGE, BUT WE WERE ALSO GOING, A LOT OF US GOING ON ABOUT THE PARKING BECAUSE THEY, THAT'S IN THE CENTRAL AREA AND HAD NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS. WELL, NO. SO THE ZONING CHANGE WAS BY THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PUT IT INTO THE CENTRAL AREA. IT WASN'T EVEN BY THE APPLICANT. WE JUST, BUT MY POINT IS JUST THE FACT THAT THERE WASN'T ANY REQUIRED PARKING AND EVEN IF IT WASN'T THAT BUILDING IN THE WHOLE AREA AROUND IT. AND THAT WAS WHY I WAS WORRIED AT THE TIME, THIS TIME AT LEAST I THINK, AND I COULD BE WRONG, MR. WEDDLE AND MS. BOWEN'S ISSUE OR ONE OF THEIR ISSUES IS THE TRAFFIC AND THE WAY IT'S GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE AND WHETHER THE ROADS CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC GETTING IN AND OUTTA THERE SAFELY IS WHAT I, I GET OUT OF IT. AND TO BE UPFRONT AND PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, I DID MEET PERSONALLY WITH MR. LOWMAN AND WE WENT DOWN AND WALKED AROUND THE WHOLE AREA. AND THEN I ALSO SPOKE WITH MR. KEELER FROM PLANNING AND ZONING ON THE TELEPHONE TODAY JUST TO, TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN ROADS. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE, THE CONFUSION ABOUT ONE WAY, THIS WAY OR THAT WAY CAME UP BECAUSE IT WAS JUST IDEAS THAT WERE GOING THROUGH AS IS IT A POSSIBLE, NO ONE'S SPOKEN TO MR. SCOTT OR ANYONE FROM THE CITY TO SEE IF ANY OF THIS CORRECT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. CORRECT. IT WAS A THOUGHT AS IF WE COULD MAKE PATTERSON WHERE YOU COULD ONLY GO THAT ONE WAY WHILE THAT'S OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS AND YOU HAD TO GO OUT MONROE OR THE, OR VICE VERSA. SO THERE WASN'T TRAFFIC GOING BOTH WAYS DOWN THOSE STREETS IF WE WERE DOING IT. AND THAT WAS NOT AGREED DEFINITELY AMONGST ANYONE. IT WAS JUST A CONVERSATION THAT WAS BEING HELD TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A WAY TO APPEASE THE NEIGHBORS AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FUNCTION THERE AND TRY IT OUT FOR A YEAR TO SEE HOW IT GOES. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING FOR A ONE YEAR SUP, CORRECT? CORRECT. I MEAN SPECIFICALLY WE JUST WANTED IN THAT CONVERSATION, I'LL TELL YOU TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, MY LONG-TERM RE RESOLUTION FORUM WAS IF IT WENT WELL AND WORKED WELL THAT MAYBE THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOME, SOME IMPROVEMENTS, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. 'CAUSE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO THAT ROAD. THAT'S A PIT, A POTHOLE, DIRT ROAD THAT GOES DOWN BY RICHARD'S PARK. BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF WE PUT SOME FILL IN THE POTHOLES AND ALL THAT AND THAT BE THE WAY IN AND OUT WHERE YOU COULD PARK AT RICHARD'S PARK AND HE COULD RUN HIS BUS BACK AND FORTH DOWN THAT ROAD, THEN WE'RE NOT IMPACTING ANYBODY ELSE. WELL SEE. AND, AND, BUT THOSE WERE JUST THOUGHTS THAT WENT THROUGH AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S NOTHING IN STONE ABOUT WHAT IT IS AT THE MOMENT. SO GRAVEL ROAD IS A PRIVATE ROAD UN UNFORTUNATELY. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT SOMEWHERE. I BELIEVE IT'S OWNED BY THE RAILROAD EVEN. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. UM, BUT I DO SEE THERE BEING OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER BUSINESSES TO BENEFIT FROM OPENING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BRING TRAFFIC TO THAT SIDE TO EVEN SELL PARKING SPACES. I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU OF ONE ON, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM, THEM THAT CLOSE THAT ARE ON THAT SIDE OF, OF MONROE THAT THEY'RE CLOSED AT SIX. WELL, THEY COULD SELL PRIVATE PARKING IN THEIR LOT. UM, WELL I ALSO, AND IF, AND AND, AND IF WE WERE TO GO THE ROUTE OF SHUTTING DOWN ON STREET PARKING, THAT MIGHT EVEN FURTHER PUSH THAT TO BECOME A THING. NOT THAT I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE TO PAY FOR PARKING, BUT IF YOU OWN THE BUSINESS AND YOU OWN THE, AND YOU OWN THE PROPERTY, IT'S YOUR PROPERTY. UM, IF IF IT'S A WAY TO, TO SUSTAIN YOUR BUSINESS, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO IT. 'CAUSE THAT SIDE OF TOWN THAT, THAT SIDE OF MONROE, WHETHER IT'S, WE WANT TO ADMIT IT OR NOT, MAIN STREET, THERE AREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF HOMES LEFT FOR THE FIRST FEW FOUR BLOCKS. WELL, WHERE THE EXTRA PARKING CAME BY THAT THEY, THEY ALLUDED TO WHERE PATTERSON'S COMING DOWN THERE AND YOU, HE SAID DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM, YOU CAN'T SEE IT 'CAUSE IT'S OFF THE PICTURE. GREG NEHI BIG BLUE TRUCK IS WHO HE'S GONNA RENT THE SPACE FROM IF HE'S ABLE TO DO IT. THERE'S A PARKING, WELL IT'S NOT A PARKING LOT BUT IT'S CONCRETE AND WHATEVER, AND IT'S COMPLETELY FENCED IN WITH A GATE. [01:10:01] AND I, I JUST HAPPENED TO BE STANDING THERE WHERE MR. LOMAN AND LOOKED DOWN THERE AND I GO, WELL WHAT'S THAT? AND THERE'S A BIG POLICE SIGN ON IT AND GREG HAVE HAPPENED TO WALK OUT OF THE BUILDING AND I SAID, WOULD YOU LET HIM USE THAT FOR PARKING? AND HE SAID, SURE, WE'LL JUST OPEN THE GATE UP AND THEY COULD USE IT FOR PARKING. AND IT'S GOT LIKE ROOM FOR 70 CARS TO PARK THERE. IT'S DOWN TO THE LEFT, RIGHT WHERE THAT CORNER IS. YOU GOTTA GO PAST THAT BUILDING. THEY'RE REMODELING. IT'S CAN THE BOTTOM RIGHT, CAN WE ZOOM OUT ON THE MAP? AND IT'S, I BELIEVE THE PREVIOUS GRAPHIC SHOWS IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY HALF A, I, I DON'T KNOW, SHOULD BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT. IT'S CURRENTLY NOT WORKING. OH, . BUT IT'S NOT, ITS NOT FAR BEHIND. HAD IT ON THERE. IT'S NOT FAR TO WALK TO TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM PARKING IN FIVE JILL DIFFERENT SPOTS AROUND EVERYWHERE. RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT. SO IF YOU LOOK WHERE IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS SITE PLAN, SUBDIVISION TOWN ADDITION, THAT THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, THOSE TWO LITTLE BUILDINGS IN THERE, THAT'S THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IT, IT'S NOT THAT FAR OF A WALK. 'CAUSE IT TOOK ALEX AND I 15 SECONDS TO WALK DOWN THERE. YEAH. IT'S JUST RIGHT DOWN THERE FROM WHERE HIS SPACE WOULD BE. AND BASED ON NINE FOOT BY 18 FOOT PARKING SPOTS, WE COULD FIT 70 IN THERE EASILY IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER 42 I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD. AND FOR THE PARKING THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER, A RISK AGREEMENT? CORRECT. SO THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS DURING THAT TIME PERIOD FOR THAT PARKING. WE TECHNICALLY ALREADY HAVE AN AGREEMENT FOR, UM, THIS ONE BECAUSE THE, THE ONE THAT YOU COULDN'T SEE, AND THEN THE ONE THAT WE ALREADY HAD ON THERE LISTED, THOSE ARE ALL ON THE SAME, I'LL SAY THE WRONG WORD, PLAT DEED. THEY'RE ALL, ALL THREE ADDRESSES ARE THE SAME. AND SO IN TALKING WITH BIG BLUE CHUCK, THEY SAID YOU ALREADY HAVE AN AGREEMENT FROM US TO LEASE ANY AND ALL OF THAT THAT YOU WANT. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OF HAVING SECURITY AT THIS EVENT? OH YEAH. CASE THERE IS A PROBLEM. ABSOLUTELY. CAN YOU SPEAK ON THAT PLEASE? THERE'S, IT'S, THERE'S REALLY GONNA BE THREE KIND OF LAYERS OF IT. SO WE'LL HAVE SECURITY INSIDE THE HAUNTED HOUSES, OF COURSE. AND THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT MONITOR THE CRISIS CONTROL SYSTEM. KEEP AN EYE ON THE LINES, CHECK ON THE ACTORS, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING INSIDE IS RUNNING FINE. THEN WE'LL HAVE EVENT STAFF ARE OUTSIDE. THEIR JOB IS GONNA BE TO PARK CARS, GUIDE PEOPLE, KEEP AN EYE ON THINGS, MAKE SURE NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING ON TOUR LIKE LITTERING OR JUST LOITERING AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA REQUEST A OFF-DUTY OFFICER TO GO AT THE CORNER WHERE MADISON AND PATTERSON KIND OF MAKE THAT CURVE RIGHT IN FRONT OF D RESTAURANT. THAT GREEN, UH, DRAIN RIGHT THERE. YEAH. THAT'S LIKE THE CENTER HUB OF EVERYTHING. SO REGARDLESS OF WHICH DIRECTION THEY COME IN, THE FIRST THING THEY SEE IS LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS OF DOING THIS, THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO MITIGATE MOST OF YOUR PROBLEMS RIGHT THERE IS JUST LET 'EM KNOW THAT YOU'RE PASSING THE POLICE ON THE WAY IN. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PASS 'EM TO GET OUT. COULD COULD YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID IN P AND Z ABOUT THE THREE DIFFERENT COLOR LIGHTS? YES SIR. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO THAT'S VERY UNIQUE TO US IS WHAT WE CALL OUR CRISIS CONTROL SYSTEM. SO INSIDE THE LAYOUT OF A HAUNTED HOUSE, EVERY ROOM HAS A SET OF LIGHT SWITCHES. THERE'S A WHITE, A YELLOW, AND A RED. THEY'RE ALL IN A ROW AND THEY'RE MARKED MAINTENANCE, SECURITY, AND DEATH. AND THE WHITE LIGHT IS A MAINTENANCE ISSUE. ANYTHING I'VE LOST MY MOTIVATION, I NEED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM. I'VE TORN MY COSTUME, WHATEVER IT IS. I CAN FLIP A WHITE LIGHT SECURITY IS GONNA FIND A WAY TO SNEAK INTO THEIR ROOM, FIND OUT WHAT IT IS, WE'LL TURN THE LIGHT SWITCH OFF, GET ON THE RADIO. HEY, WE HAVE A TORN COSTUME. WE NEED THE COSTUME MRS. TO COME IN HERE AND TAKE CARE OF THIS. THIS SYSTEM IS MONITORED UPFRONT. THERE'S EACH OF THOSE SWITCHES IS CONNECTED WITH A CUSTOM BUILT MODULE WITH LIGHTS. THEY'RE DOUBLE REDUNDANT. LED 'CAUSE I'M THAT PARANOID ABOUT STUFF. A YELLOW LIGHT FOR US IS ANY SECURITY ISSUE. AND THAT RANGES FROM ANYTHING FROM A PERSON WHO IS JUST ACTING NUTTY AND WE'RE AFRAID THEY MAY FALL DOWN AND HURT THEMSELVES ALL THE WAY TO SOMEBODY WHO IS GETTING CONFRONTATIONAL WITH STAFF AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. FOR A YELLOW LIGHT, THE RESPONSE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. PRIMARY SECURITY WILL GO TO THE FIRE DOOR BEYOND WHERE THAT LIGHT WAS THROWN. WORK THEIR WAY BACKWARDS THROUGH THE CROWD, KEEPING AN EYE ON WHO THEY'RE COMING ACROSS. THERE'S TWO GUYS AND TWO GIRLS. THERE'S THREE GUYS, THERE'S TWO GIRLS. GET TO THE ROOM, ADDRESS WHAT IT IS. THERE'S THREE GUYS, GUY, YOU KNOW, WEARING A PINK HAT, SHOVED ME AGAINST THE WALL, WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS. AND THEN WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT FROM THERE. AND AGAIN, WE'RE THERE TO ENFORCE THE RULES, NOT THE LAWS. IF IT'S A LAW THING, THAT'S WHEN WE GET LAW ENFORCEMENT INVOLVED. THE LAST LIGHT IS A RED LIGHT AND IT IS MARKED DEATH. AND I MEAN DEATH. AND I TELL MY STAFF, AND THEY HAVE HEARD THIS A THOUSAND TIMES, IF YOU THROW A RED LIGHT AND NO ONE'S [01:15:01] IN DANGER OF DYING, I MAY KILL YOU. . THAT IS KNIFE, FIRE, GUN, TORNADO, HEART ATTACK, SEIZURE, PROFUSE, BLEEDING, UM, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. A LIFE AND DEATH SHOWSTOPPER OF A SITUATION. IN THAT CASE, THE SWITCH GETS THROWN AND KNOCK ON WOOD, WE'VE NEVER ACTUALLY HAD A REAL RED LIGHT BEFORE. BUT THE SYSTEM IS THERE AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF FALSE ALARMS THAT WERE QUITE FUN TO WATCH. BUT EVERYBODY DROPS WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY RUN TO THAT ROOM, GRABBING A FIRE EXTINGUISHER ON THE WAY, WHICH WILL KEEP NEAR ALL THE EXITS ON THE WAY IN. AND AGAIN, THEY GET TO THAT ROOM AS FAST AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN, ASSESS THE SITUATION AND THEN MAKE THE DETERMINATION IF WE NEED TO EVACUATE THE BUILDING OR ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. BUT IT'S BEEN VERY RELIABLE. IT'S LOW VOLTAGE, IT HAS A BATTERY BACKUP. SO EVEN DURING A POWER FAILURE, OUR CRISIS CONTROL SYSTEM STILL WORKS. IT'S ALSO FULLY EXPANDABLE. IT'S ALSO VERY CONSISTENT. EVERY ROOM IS SET UP THE EXACT SAME WAY. AND EVERY DAY BEFORE WE OPEN, WE HAVE OUR FIRE SIGN IN SHEET. AND PART OF THAT PROTOCOL IS SECURITY HAS THE STAFF INITIAL AND SIGN. I'M WORKING THIS ROOM, MY ESCAPE ROUTE IS THIS ROOM, TO THIS ROOM, TO THIS ROOM, TO THIS FIRE DOOR, TO THIS MEETING POINT. MY MIRRORS SWITCH SET IS IN THE FOLLOWING PLACE. MY NEAREST FIRE EXTINGUISHER IS IN THE FOLLOWING PLACE. SO THAT WAY, EVEN IF THEY'VE WORKED THE SAME ROOM, I HAD PEOPLE SIGN IN THE SAME SHEET FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS. BUT I KNOW AND IF THE FIRE MARSHAL SHOWS UP AND SAYS, HEY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS, THEN ALL THAT INFORMATION IS THERE. BUT I KNOW WHEN WE OPEN THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO STAY SAFE AND HOW TO DEAL WITH THINGS. IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, I'D LIKE TO SEE THERE TO BE, UH, A MINIMUM OF TWO OFFICERS THERE. BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE INSIDE AND YOU HAVE TO CALL THE ONE OFF, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ONE. FAIR ENOUGH. OUTSIDE. FAIR. AGREED. WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO DO THAT? YES MA'AM. YES MA'AM. FOR SURE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD SCHEDULE? UM, YEAH, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT ON OUR OWN. WE HAVE AN APP FOR THAT. YEAH. GREAT. IT'S AN FOR EVERYTHING, FORTUNATELY STRAIGHT FORWARD. THANK YOU. AND THIS EMERGENCY SYSTEM THAT YOU'VE HAD, YOU ALLUDED TO IT THAT YOU'VE HAD IT FOR QUITE A LONG AND SO WHAT'S YEARS IN THERE? 40. HOW LONG? 40. OKAY. AND LIKE SINCE BEFORE I WAS EVEN IN THIS INDUSTRY. OKAY. AND IT WORKS WELL ENOUGH THAT WE ACTUALLY MAKE COPIES OF OUR PARTS AND PIECES AND WE SELL THEM TO OTHER ATTRACTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I KNOW THIS IS VERY OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH A LOT OVER THE YEARS IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH APPROVALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE'S VERY SELDOM A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S JUST A BOX YOU CAN CHECK THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE OTHER OTHER BUSINESSES. IT IS VERY UNIQUE IN THAT REGARD. AND JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, UH, WE ARE NOT STRANGERS TO PARKING LOGISTICS DURING 2020 WHEN EVERYTHING SHUT DOWN. WE WERE APPROACHED BY AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER AND IHEART MEDIA TO COME UP WITH A DRIVE THROUGH HAUNTED HOUSE IN THEIR FIVE STORY PARKING GARAGE. SO WE DID THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH DALLAS PD FIRE DEPARTMENT, TWO MILES OF TRAFFIC RESIDENCES THAT LIVED AROUND THERE. AND IT WAS THE ONLY EVENT IN DALLAS DURING QUARANTINE. VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENT. IT WENT, IT, WE STARTED SO WELL WITH THEM THAT WE TURNED REINDEER MANOR AND RED OAK INTO A DRIVE THROUGH. SO WE COORDINATED QUEUE LINES FOR CARS AT TIMED TICKETING. SO IF WE CAN QUEUE LINE CARS FOR TIME TICKETING, WE CAN HANDLE 110 SPACES. DURING THAT TIME. WE ACCOMMODATED APPROXIMATELY AS BEST AS WE CAN TELL, 86,000 PEOPLE THAT WE COORDINATED THROUGH THERE. SO AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS DISCUSSION, IT WAS BRIEFLY STATED THAT YOU WANTED TO TAKE A DIFFERENT ACTION RATHER THAN BRINGING THIS BEFORE A VOTE TONIGHT. WHAT ARE YOU WANTING COUNT COUNSEL TO DO TONIGHT? WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR A, AN AFFIRMATIVE OF OUR, OUR SUB GOING THROUGH WITH WITH ANY CONDITIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE. YEAH. OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU COULD TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO WORK ON TO TABLE, BECAUSE WE, WE ARE SET IN STONE WITH OUR HAUNTED HOUSE HAPPENING IN OUR CITY. WE'VE BEEN HERE THREE YEARS AND HAVE NEVER FELT A PART OF A CITY LIKE WE HAVE UNTIL WE MOVED HERE. WE ARE INVOLVED WITH AS MUCH AS WE CAN BE AND LEARNING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN WHILE OUR HEART IS SET ON OUR, OUR HAUNTED HOUSE BEING HERE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE AREN'T FLEXIBLE, THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD TO ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES. WE'VE GONE FROM BEING ON 33 ACRES FOR 49 YEARS TO BEING A COMPLETELY MOBILE SHOW. HAVING TO BUILD IT, TRANSFER IT, SET IT UP, AND THEN ALSO IN 2020 CREATING A DRIVE THROUGH SHOW, WHICH NEVER EXISTED IN THE COUNTRY BEFORE THEN. [01:20:01] SO WE DON'T JUST ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES. WE CAN GIVE YOU WHAT YOU GUYS WANT YOUR CITY TO HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MORE FULLY. WHAT WHAT WE WANT IS PERMISSION TO SHOW OUR CITY WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER AND WHAT WE CAN BRING. AND THIS IS ALL OFF COURSE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FESTIVAL DOWNTOWN AND THE KID FRIENDLY WALKTHROUGH. AND I KNOW THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY, BUT FOR US IT'S ALL KIND OF THE SAME ENCOMPASSING THING. PART OF THE REASON WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO OPEN HERE IS THIS ALLOWS US THE BUILDING AND THE STORAGE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THE STAFFING TO OPERATE THE REST OF THE HALLOWEEN FESTIVAL THAT WILL BE DOING, UH, THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN. AND MR. LOMAN, WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT BRIEFLY A FEW TIMES, UM, ISN'T, ISN'T THIS LIKE THE THOUGHT OF, OF THE HAUNTED HOUSE FOR THESE NINE DAYS? THE THOUGHT OF LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST PROVE THAT WE CAN HOST SOMETHING INSIDE THIS STRUCTURE. CORRECT. SO THAT IN THE HALLOWEEN OFF SEASON, UM, THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE A, A DIFFERENT EXHIBIT IN THERE. UM, THE ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT OFFLINE WAS I, I WENT TO, UM, OUR FAMILY WENT TO, UM, THE TITANIC EXHIBIT IN NORTH DALLAS. MM-HMM . AND IT WAS LITERALLY IN AN OLD ROSS. I MEAN IT STILL LOOKED LIKE ROSS THE OUTSIDE. I COULD STILL SEE THE LETTERS OF ROSS ON THE OUTSIDE , NOT KIDDING YOU, BUT YOU WALKED IN AND YOU WERE ON THE TITANIC. IT WAS REALLY, REALLY COOL. AND THAT THING IS STILL GOING NOW. AND WHEN I WAS THERE I WAS IN A LINE OF, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED PEOPLE AND IT JUST KEPT GOING AND GOING AND GOING. SO THE THOUGHT THAT I KIND OF HAVE IS THAT, IS, IS THAT WHAT THE IDEA HERE IS, IS THAT PROVE IT LONG TERM, IF WE COULD DO OTHER PROVE IT LEARNING. AND WE WOULD ALSO LOVE TO HOST OTHER EVENTS DOWNTOWN FOR LIKE EASTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IT'S WEIRD YOU MENTIONED THE TITANIC EXHIBIT IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE THE COMPANY THAT OWNS AND OPERATES AND PROMOTES THAT SHOW HAS CONTACTED US AND THEY LOVE THE IDEA OF OUR DOWNTOWN FESTIVAL HERE. AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH US ON POTENTIALLY DOING THAT. ONE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS, AND THIS IS, UM, THERE'S TRICK OR TREATING EVENTS AT RAIL, RAIL YARD, NOT RAIL PORT, RAIL YARD, RAIL YARD , ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW NOW THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IT. UM, AS WELL AS THE ONE DOWNTOWN. AND IN THE EVENT THAT THOSE WERE TO GET RAINED OUT, WE HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ABOUT PROVIDING THAT. WE, WE DROVE FOUR HOURS YESTERDAY ON AN ANNIVERSARY TO GO TO A RAINED OUT GAME AND HAD TO TURN AROUND AND DRIVE RIGHT BACK. SO WHAT HE'S GETTING AT IS THE, THE CITY'S TRICK OR TREAT OR TRUNK OF PALOOZA WE KNOW CAN STILL HAPPEN. SOME YEARS Y'ALL HAVE HAD INCLEMENT WEATHER AND COULDN'T HOST THEM. OUR BUILDING COULD EASILY HOST A RAINED OUT TRUNK OR TREAT. ABSOLUTELY. SO IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE RAINED OUT. YEAH. LIGHTS ON. NO CHARACTERS IN THERE OF COURSE. BUT YEAH, WE ARE VERY ON BOARD WITH DOING ADDITIONAL HOLIDAYS, UH, AND EVEN MAYBE FINDING SPECIAL THINGS THAT WE CAN DO OR HELP DO IN CONJUNCTION, UH, WITH THE OTHER EVENTS DOWNTOWN. BECAUSE, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I MEAN IF Y'ALL GOT MORE QUESTIONS, FINE, BUT BEFORE WE GO FORWARD WITH US, I'D LIKE TO ALLOW MS. BOWEN AND MR. WEDDLE A CHANCE TO, SINCE THEY'VE HEARD QUESTIONS FROM US AND ALL THAT. 'CAUSE THEY HAD QUESTIONS AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. 'CAUSE I GOT SOME QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO ASK THEM. EXCELLENT. NOT SAYING YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK YET. MR. MR. ROMAN . THANK YOU MR. WRIGHT. UH, I THINK WE WERE KIND OF GETTING A STATE AND SWITCH THING THERE FOR A MINUTE. UM, THE PROBLEMS THAT THAT THAT WE SEE AND I'LL I'LL GO AHEAD. CAN I HAVE MY FIVE MINUTES NOW OR DO SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN? UH, OKAY. UH, THERE ARE TWO VIABLE WAYS IN AND OUT OF THIS LOCATION. WEST MADISON FROM THE EAST PATTERSON FROM THE NORTH, THEY ACT AS A FUNNEL TO A VERY CONCENTRATED POINT OF ACTIVITY. THE BULK OF THE CROWD FOR THIS BUSINESS LIKELY WILL BE ENTERING FROM MONROE MADISON INTERSECTION, THE STATED OVERFLOW, I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGES, THE STATED OVERFLOW PARKING LOTS, ALL LIGHT OF THE EAST AND PEDESTRIANS WILL BE HEADED TOWARDS MADISON. THERE'S SOME LOGISTIC AND SAFETY PROBLEMS WITH THIS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS ARE THE BUSIEST TIMES FOR BUSINESSES ALREADY ON MADISON CITY STAFF STATED THAT CONSIDERING APPROVAL ONE CONDITION WAS THAT ON STREET PARKING SHALL BE PROHIBITED ON WEST MADISON AND PATTERSON STREETS. BUT ALREADY ON THE WEEKEND RAIL PORT BREWING PATRONS ROUTINELY PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD ON WEST MADISON. THE RESTAURANT CUSTOMERS ROUTINELY PARK ON THE EAST SIDE OF PATTERSON TIMES LEADING UP TO THE OPENING OF THIS BUSINESS EACH NIGHT. AND FOR SOME TIME AFTERWARDS, WEST MADISON IS LIKELY TO BE PROBLEMATIC WITH TWO-WAY FOR TWO-WAY TRAFFIC. IF RAIL PORT IS HAVING A SPECIAL PROMOTION, IT'S PATRONS IN ADDITION TO PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF MADISON MAY HAVE ALREADY PARKED. AND SOME OF THOSE PLACES THAT YOU SEE ON THAT, ON THAT MAP, UH, THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THIS NEW BUSINESS. BUT THEY DO, THEY PARK [01:25:01] WHERE THE, WHERE THE, UH, UM, THRIFT STORE IS AND THEY, THEY PARK DOWN THERE WITH THAT BUILDING THAT'S BEING VACATED. NOW THAT I THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY USING, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON MADISON. PEOPLE ARE LEFT TO WALK IN THE STREET FOR SAFE FOOTING. THERE IS NO STREETLIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF MADISON AND PATTERSON. THIS IS A CITY ISSUE. THERE'S NO STREETLIGHT THERE. SO IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE DURING THE DAY, YOU NEED TO GO LOOK AT IT AT NIGHT. IT'S DARK. UH, THE WHOLE LOWER PART OF MADISON IS A DARK AREA AT NIGHT AND THE PARKING PLANT AT 5 0 1 WEST JEFFERSON IS RIGHT UP THE CORNER OF PATTERSON AND WEST JEFFERSON WITH SPORADIC TRAFFIC ON PATTERSON DURING THE DAY. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. HOWEVER, WITH STREAMING TRAFFIC FROM THIS VENUE RESULTING IN CARS WAITING AT THE STOP SIGN TO TURN OFF, PATTERSON AND CARS TURNING ONTO PATTERSON BACKING OUT OF THIS AREA WILL CERTAINLY IMPEDE TRAFFIC. FOR SAFETY AND PRACTICAL REASONS, THIS PARKING AREA PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE USED WHEN TRAFFIC ENTERING WEST MADISON IS TOLD NO MORE PARKING IS AVAILABLE. THE DIRECT AREA, THEY WILL BE INSTRUCTED TO OVERFLOW PARKING LOTS, BLOCKS AWAY. TWO THINGS WILL RESULT FROM THIS. ONE IS PEOPLE WANTING TO AVOID A LONG WALK THAT COULD MAKE THEM LATE FOR THEIR ENTRY TIME WILL LOOK FOR THE FIRST AVAILABLE PLACE TO PARK IN WEST JEFFERSON OR WEST FRANKLIN, WHEREVER IT CAN BE LOCATED. THOSE THAT DO USE OVERFLOW LOTS MUST CROSS BUSY TWO-LANE ELM AND MONROE STREETS ON FOOT WITHOUT TRAFFIC LIGHT PROTECTION, THEN THEY WILL HAVE NO SIDEWALKS TO KEEP THEM AWAY FROM MOVING VEHICLES AS THEY WALK DOWN MADISON MOSTLY IN THE DARK. IT SEEMS ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE EITHER NOT TRUE OR CANNOT BE RELIED UPON OR BEING MADE TO REDUCE CONCERNS OF LARGE CUSTOMER TRAFFIC. MADISON WILL BE CLEAR OF PARKED CARS AND WILL HAVE SPACE ALONG EACH SIDE TO LET ALL VEHICLES COME THROUGH AND PEDESTRIANS TO SAFELY MANEUVER IN THE DARK. AN AREA THAT LOOKS OKAY DURING THE DAY IS NO DIFFERENT AT NIGHT ON WEEKENDS. AND IF WE KNOW THAT IT IS PARKING AT THE 5 0 1 WEST JEFFERSON CORNER WILL CAUSE WILL NOT CAUSE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. PEOPLE WILL DISREGARD HUMAN NATURE AND DRIVE BLOCKS AWAY TO PARK IN A PUBLIC LOT. BYPASSING PLACES ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT ARE OPEN AND A LOT CLOSER, THE WOMAN'S BUILDING WILL NOT HAVE ANY GATHERINGS ON FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT. CROSSROADS OF TEXAS FESTIVAL THE WEEKEND NEAREST HALLOWEEN WILL CREATE, WILL NOT CREATE HAVOC AS STREETS ARE BLOCKED OFF FOR VENDORS TO SET UP ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND TAKE DOWN AND LEAVE ON SATURDAY NIGHT. EMERGENCY VEHICLES, INCLUDING LARGE FIRE TRUCKS, WILL HAVE CLEAR PATHS ON THE NARROW STRIP ROADS TO THE LOCATION. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WAREHOUSE OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS HAS BEEN A POSITIVE REVIVING AND OVERGROWN VERMIN INVESTED EYESORE. BUT NONE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS RELY ON THE CONCENTRATION OF CUSTOMERS INVOLVED WITH THIS PROPOSAL. THE AREA CERTAINLY OFFERS THE POSSIBILITY OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE A PLUS FOR THE CITY, YET NOT BE INTRUSIVE FOR NEIGHBORS AND EXISTING BUSINESSES. BUT IT WILL REQUIRE COSTLY UPGRADES TO IMPROVE ACCESS AND EGRESS DEDICATED WALKWAYS. VASTLY IMPROVED LIGHTING AND DETERRENCE TO KEEP THREATENING WILDLIFE CONFINED TO THE IMMEDIATE CREEK AREA IN ORDER TO MAKE THE AREA SAFE FOR VISITORS AT NIGHT. IN THE MEANTIME, THE PUBLIC SAFETY SHOULD NOT BE DISCOUNTED FOR A BUSINESS. THE SCARY PART OF GOING TO THE HAUNTED HOUSE SHOULD OCCUR INSIDE THE BUILDING. OUTSIDE OF IT SHOULD BE AN AREA THAT DOES NOT PRESENT AN ELEVATED RISK FOR A SAFE VISIT OR INTERFERE WITH NORMAL AND EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR EVERYONE IN THE AREA. SO ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THERE DURING THE DAY, THAT'S FINE. GO DOWN THERE AT NINE OR 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE DOWN THERE AT THAT POINT. SO MY PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW THAT THAT, THAT I CAN STILL GET TO MY HOUSE AND GET INTO MY DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ON PATTERSON STREET, THAT FIRE TRUCKS, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, THEY'VE GOT PLACE TO GO. BUT THE ASSUMPTION THAT PATTERSON AND MADISON ARE GONNA BE CLEAR TRAFFIC, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING NOW. IT'S THE PEOPLE PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. DO YOU THINK IT'S FAIR THAT I CAN'T GET TO MY HOUSE WHEN BETHLEHEM REVISITED IS GOING ON? I AGREE BECAUSE MY STREET'S BLOCKED. I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT IT'S, BUT THAT ONE'S OKAY AND THIS ONE'S NOT. I'M JUST SAYING I'M, I'M, I'M JUST ASKING MY STREET'S BLOCKED AS WELL. WE HAVE LIMITED, WE ASK YOUR QUESTION AGAIN, TRAVIS. DO YOU THINK IT'S FAIR THAT I CAN'T GET TO MY HOME DURING BETHLEHEM? NO, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. I THINK YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GET YOUR HOME. SO BECAUSE THE CAR IS PARKED WELL, WHY AN AMBULANCE NEEDS TO GET TO YOUR HOME. I, I COMPLETELY AGREE, BUT I DON'T HEAR YOU MAKE THE SAME, RAISE THE SAME CONCERNS WHEN THAT EVENT IS BEING APPROVED. SO IS IT, IS IT THE EVENT ITSELF? NO, IT'S NOT THE EVENT. IT'S JUST THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE LOCATION IS NOT READY FOR THIS KIND OF VOLUME. LIKE I SAID, THIS THING IS, I WENT OUT, I I WENT DOWN THERE LAST NIGHT JUST TO CHECK AT, AT NINE 30 TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS TRUE. IT'S PITCH DARK ALMOST DOWN THERE. THE ONLY LIGHTS YOU'VE GOT ARE SOME LIGHTS COMING FROM D RESTAURANT AND SOME COMING BACK WAY UP ON MADISON FROM RAIL PORT. THAT, THAT INTERSECTION HAS NO STREET LIGHT. THE LOWER PART OF MADISON HAS NO LIGHTING AT ALL. IT'S, YOU'RE IN THE DARK NORTH ROGERS IS NO DIFFERENT OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH. THERE'S NOTHING EXCEPT FOR OUR HORSE LIGHTS. WELL DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE A CREEK? JUST FEW, A FEW FEET AWAY THAT, THAT WHEN YOU'VE GOT POSSUMS AND SNAKES [01:30:01] AND UH, WE HAVE ADEN FOXES THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET THAT MY DOG'S TAKING OUT TWO OF WELL I'M JUST, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, DO YOU WANT YOUR KID WALKING ON THE GRASS? THEY, I MEAN THEY'VE GOTTA GET OFF OF PATTERSON SOMEHOW. I MEAN THEY'VE GOTTA THEY'VE GOTTA, WE'RE NOT ON BETHLEHEM BISCUIT. WE'RE VOTING MS. BOWMAN, YOU GOTTA COME TO THE YEAH, COME ON UP HERE. BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE BUSINESS GOING DOWN. I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT I THINK COULD HAPPEN WITH THE CITY, BUT SOME UPGRADES HAVE TO BE MADE. AND NOW WE STARTED OFF WITH, THIS IS GONNA BE 300 PEOPLE A NIGHT AND IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY THREE OR FOUR HOURS, THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED PEOPLE. OKAY. AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO 50 PEOPLE IN THERE AT A TIME. WELL, TRAFFIC'S GONNA OVERLAP AND YOU'VE GOT STREETS WITH PARKING ON BOTH SIDES. MADISON'S ALREADY GOT PARKING ON BOTH SIDES ALREADY. YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO WAY TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE AND HAVE PEOPLE WALKING THERE WHEN IT'S DARK SAFELY. SO IT'S, TO ME, IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN. IT'S NOT A BUSINESS CONCERN. IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN. THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED YOU TO COME UP AND SPEAK. 'CAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT, 'CAUSE I HAD TO WATCH IT ON VIDEO AND I COULDN'T ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS THEN. BUT IF WE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE WITH PATTERSON AND MADISON AND PARKING ON THOSE TWO STREETS AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW, WOULD YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION IF WE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? NOW? IF YOU NEED, YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE LIGHTING ISSUE ALSO. I COMPLETELY AGREE. I I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THOSE FOR OVER A YEAR. YOU'VE ON THAT SIDE OF THE, THAT YOU'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THE LIGHTING DOWN THERE AND, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S AN, IT'S KIND OF AN ABANDONED AREA. YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STUFF DOWN THERE AND THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS TO COME IN MADISON AND PATTERSON AND THEY ALL GO TO THIS ONE POINT. UH, AND SO IF THESE BUSINESSES ARE GONNA HAVE PARKING ON THESE STREETS, I THERE'S GOTTA BE A SOLUTION TO THAT BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S NOT SAFE FOR CARS TO BE GOING UP AND DOWN. BASICALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TWO CAR, UH, UH, TWO LANES ON BOTH SIDES AND THEN TWO IN THE MIDDLE. AND NOW YOU STILL GOT PEOPLE WALKING ON THIS STREET TO GET TO THE VENUE. I MEAN THE LIBRARY'S CLOSED AT THAT TIME. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S RIGHT THERE. WELL, AND I WENT AND TALKED TO RICHARD AT RAIL PORT AND I SPECIFICALLY ASKED RICHARD AT RAIL PORT HOW LATE THEY'RE OPEN ON WEEKENDS AND ALL THAT AT THE TIME OF THE YEAR. AND HE SAID THAT THEY GENERALLY ARE OPEN TILL 10 'CAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR BANDS, BUT THEIR BAND THAT THEY FEATURE EACH ONE STOPS AT NINE AND THAT IT GENERALLY EMPTIES OUT RIGHT AFTER THAT. BUT I ALSO ASK HIM WOULD HE BE HAVING ANY SPECIAL EVENTS AT THE SAME TIME THAT THIS STUFF IS GOING ON. AND HIS RESPONSE TO ME WAS HE WOULD RATHER WORK WITH MR. LOMAN TO HAVE SOME KIND OF TIE IN TO WHERE THE PEOPLE COULD PARK, COULD PARK AT HIS PLACE AND GO DOWN THERE AND THEN, AND HE WAS JUST TALKING. HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY BRING A TICKET AND THEY GET A DOLLAR OFF THEIR BEER AFTER THEY'D BEEN DOWN THERE IF THE PEOPLE HAD ROLLED ENOUGH. BUT THAT THEY, IF THEY CLOSE AT 10, SO THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT IF THEY'RE ONLY OPEN TILL 11, THAT'S NOT MITIGATING MUCH. BUT OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE BASICALLY HAD THAT I WAS, THE REASON I WAS ASKING YOU IS ABOUT IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN THOSE ROADS AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE AND WHEN MS. BOWEN'S DONE, I'LL ASK MR. LOWMAN WHETHER HE'S WILLING TO PUT A TEMPORARY LIGHT AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OUT THERE TO LIGHT UP THE AREA AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THE THE, WHEN WE FIRST MOVED INTO THE HOUSE 15 YEARS AGO, THAT WAREHOUSE WAS A COMPLETE DISASTER. I'D HAVE TO CALL THE CITY TIME AND TIME AGAIN BECAUSE THE GRASS WAS UP TO THIS HIGH. OKAY. IT WAS A DANGEROUS SITUATION. IT WAS A VANDALISM. WHAT'S HAPPENED TO IT IS GREAT. I'M NOT AGAINST ANY BUSINESS IN THAT AREA. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE LIGHTING. AND I WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE GO THROUGH THOSE STREETS AND HAVE EMERGENCY VEHICLES BE ABLE TO GET THERE. AND WHAT WE SAW AT THE FIRST MEETING WITH PROP, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING, THAT WAS NOT GOING TO, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING EVEN SAID IT. THESE STREETS HAVE TO BE CLEARED. AND THAT'S THE REASON MR. LOWMAN WAS WITHDRAWING IS BECAUSE HE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK THROUGH AND BRING ALL THE DIFFERENT . WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T SPEAK BEFORE BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE WE WERE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN. SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T SAY THEN WHAT I JUST GOT THROUGH, WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH. WITHDRAWING IS VERY UNFAIR TO THE, THE APPLICANT THOUGH. 'CAUSE THEN I MEAN THAT, THAT, THAT EXTENDS THE PROCESS. I I AGREE. I AGREE. I AGREE. I AGREE MR. SMITH. BUT IT'S ALSO UNFAIR TO US FOR US TO BE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS THING'S GONNA BE PULLED AND THEN NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE HAVING A VOTE TO APPROVE IT. BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO SATISFY AS MANY OF THE CONCERNS AS WE CAN FROM BOTH PARTIES. NEITHER ONE OF YOU'RE GONNA BE COMPLETELY HAPPY WITH ANYTHING. 'CAUSE LIKE MR. LOWMAN, IF I ASK HIM TO PUT A TEMPORARY LIGHT DOWN THERE TO LIGHT IT UP, SOME ONE OF THOSE THAT GOES UP, LIGHTS DOWN LIKE THEY DO THAT YOU CAN RENT. WELL OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA TAKE OUT HIS PROFIT HAVING TO DO THAT AND HE'S GOT A PLAN. BUT IT LIGHTS UP THE AREA THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. I'M NOT, YEAH, I'M NOT, THAT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT A SOLUTION HERE. I I DON'T EVEN SEE THAT BACK LOT FROM MY, FROM I THAT'S GOT THE BACK LOT AND THE FRONT LOTS. [01:35:01] YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT BOTH LOTS. WELL, THAT'S MY POINT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK IT OUT. IT'S JUST A QUESTION BEST OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND YOU WANNA MAKE THAT AREA SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE FEEL SAFE GOING TO, UH, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO WALK IN A, ON A STREET THAT'S GOT TWO WAY TRAFFIC GOING IN THE DARK. AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD SITUATION THE WAY IT IS. I CAN ENVISION THE CITY MAKING SOMETHING OUT OF THIS THING, BUT RAILROAD STREET, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST KIND OF A, A BAD, A BAD AREA FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. MS. BOWMAN. OKAY. UM, AND AGAIN, KATHLEEN BOWEN, 5 27 WEST JEFFERSON STREET. UM, I ACTUALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME THIS WEEKEND WORKING IN THE YARD THINKING ABOUT THIS, TRYING TO THINK, OKAY, MAYBE I NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE SUPPORTIVE AND NOT JUST SAY NO. UM, SO I, I KEPT TRYING TO THINK OF WAYS, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE SUPPORT THIS? AND I KEEP COMING BACK TO THREE ISSUES. AND, AND JOHN MENTIONED THE FIRST ONE, SAFETY, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING AND GOING. UM, AND, AND THAT'S WHY P AND Z RECOMMENDED DENIAL WAS BECAUSE OF THAT. UM, THAT, THAT'S MY FIRST CONCERN. THE SECOND CONCERN, AND IT WAS TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, THE CHAPTER 20, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, MAKING SURE THAT NOISE ORDINANCE IS FOLLOWED. UM, YOU KNOW, BEING OPEN TILL 1130 VIOLATES THAT. SO THAT'S MY SECOND CONCERN. UM, THE THIRD CONCERN IS THE PLAN. HOW, HOW DOES IT VIOLATE IT IF THEY'RE NOT OVER THE DECIBEL LEVELS? WELL BEING OPEN UNTIL 1130 BECAUSE THE CODE, WHAT I READ, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS, SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, I'M I'M, BUT IT SAID, YOU KNOW, 11 O'CLOCK IS KIND OF THE CUTOFF TIME FOR BUSINESSES. THAT'S WHAT I READ FROM CHAPTER 20. THAT ANY BUSINESS BEING OPEN PAST, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BUSINESSES OPEN PAST 11. WE GOT A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT PASSED OPEN PAST 11. AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT A NOISE VIOLATION AFTER 11 O'CLOCK, THEN THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE. YEAH. NOISE OR LIGHT POLLUTION THEN. OKAY. UH, SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M, THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN. SO IF THAT'S NOT A CONCERN. UM, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE WAS THE PLANNING ANALYSIS OR THAT THAT WAS DONE AT PNZ. IT TALKED ABOUT THE DRIVE AISLE AND THE RIGHT OF WAY REMAINING UNOBSTRUCTED. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP AND IT HAS THAT DRIVE THAT'S AROUND THE BUILDING, AND I SENT IN A PICTURE OF THIS AS WELL WHERE THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS. UM, AND I JUST NOTICED THE PORTLET AND HAND WASHED THE LITTLE TINY THING. THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THAT. I MEAN THE, THE BUILDING IN, IN THIS CONCRETE THING GOES RIGHT NEXT TO THAT ROAD, THAT RIGHT OF WAY. UM, AND THERE ISN'T ROOM FOR ONE ROW OF PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW. YOU, YOU SAID YOU WALKED IN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED THAT, BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WALK ON THAT RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO IT, AND, AND THEN THERE'S PARKING THERE ON THAT LEFT HAND SIDE. SO CARS ARE GONNA HAVE TO DRIVE ON THAT TO GET TO IT. YOU, YOU WERE AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE YOU, UH, ONLY HAD THAT TO LOOK AT. YES. WHEREAS WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH MR. LOWMAN AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WAS SAYING ABOUT WHAT WAS THE LEASE AND ALL THAT MM-HMM . AND I WAS ABLE TO ASK HIM QUESTION. I, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. WE COME FROM, RIGHT. FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOILET RIGHT. THE CURRENTLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, THE, THE WHERE THAT CURVE IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THERE'S A RED DOT AND A GREEN DOT UHHUH AND YOU SEE THE BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND IT TO THE RIGHT. THEY'RE REMODELING THAT BUILDING. RIGHT NOW. UHHUH THE GUY THAT OWNS IT, UHHUH AND THERE'S A LOT, I MEAN ALL THAT SPACE AROUND THAT IS GREEN SPACE. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, SO MR. MR. LOWMAN WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT PORT OF THAT OVER THERE AND GET IT OUT OF THIS TIGHT SPOT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE IT, BUT THEY DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY. YEAH. BUT THE GUY'S LEASING THE LAND FROM DOES OKAY. THE GUY THAT'S LEASING THE BUILDING AND HE TOLD HIM WITH ME STANDING THERE, ALL THIS PROPERTY THAT'S HERE, ALL BIG BLUE TRUCK OWNS IT AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO USE IT. OKAY. WELL AND THERE'S AND THERE'S, UH, ACTUALLY WRITTEN LEASES FROM YEAH, HE GOT 'EM THIS PUT IT IN WRITING. OKAY. SO THEY'D BE ABLE TO MOVE. THAT WASN'T ON THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING TO. ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE THEY, AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU GUYS WHEN WE GOT UP HERE SO THAT WE COULD TRY TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THE REASONING. IF YOU'RE SITTING THERE SAYING, WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS MIGHT PASS THIS. WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW THESE GUYS FEEL 'CAUSE WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT OUTSIDE. MM-HMM . TWO OF US CAN, BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T. BUT WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S TALKED TO MR. LOMAN OTHER THAN ME. I'VE TALKED TO HIM, I THINK HE TALKED TO PATRICK ONE TIME. I'VE SPOKE TO HIM TOO. BUT LIKE I SAID, WENT DOWN THERE [01:40:01] AND WALKED IT AND TRIED TO, TRIED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE AS HAPPY AS WE CAN MAKE YOU GUYS AS WELL. OKAY. AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ABOUT ME BEING HAPPY, HONESTLY. I I IT'S GONNA FEEL SAFE. PEOPLE PARK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE ALL THE TIME. I DON'T CARE. THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR. IT'S A PUBLIC STREET. UM, MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE AND THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE. THE, THE PRIMARILY THE SAFETY. IT, IT'S FOR OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT. I THINK LAW ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A BIGGER NEED FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WITH THE LAKE PARKS WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, UNSAFE CONDITIONS, PARKING, TRAFFIC FLOW ISSUES, LITTER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DRAIN ON STAFF AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. I, YOU KNOW, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS SITUATION. I, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES THERE. YOU'RE TALKING PEOPLE DRINKING LIKE CRAZY YOUNG KIDS RUNNING UP, DOWN, PULLING BOATS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. RIGHT. THOSE ARE NIGHT AND DAY BETWEEN WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT LAKE AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. RIGHT. AND I, I THINK IT'S WORSE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE DARK DURING THIS TIME. THERE'S GONNA BE CHILDREN THERE, UM, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE DRINKING MOST LIKELY. UM, YOU KNOW, SO I I I IT'S AN IMPACT TO OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S, IT'S A NEGATIVE IMPACT. YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE AN IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS. UM, NOISE CONGESTION ISSUES. UM, AMBULANCES NOT BEING ABLE TO GET DOWN THE STREET. UM, I THINK IT'S AN A NEGATIVE IMPACT FOR THE ATTENDEES BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKED, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKED TO KEEP THE NOISE DOWN UNTIL THEY GET INSIDE THE BUILDING. AND I, I, YOU KNOW, IF I'M GOING TO A HAUNTED HOUSE, I'M GONNA BE HOOPING AND HOLLERING AND HAVING A GOOD TIME BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER. UM, SO IF, IF YOU'RE PUTTING CONSTRAINTS ON THE ATTENDEES, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A GOOD TIME. UM, AND LET ASK LET ME ASK YOU THEN, 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT I LIVE ON MARVIN UHHUH AND THERE'S PEOPLE IN MY FRONT YARD ON HALLOWEEN AT 11 O'CLOCK WALKING UP HOOPING AND HOLLERING RIGHT. AND BURNING OFF AND GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREET, RIGHT. ON HALLOWEEN. RIGHT. AND ONE DAY INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE MONTH, AND THESE GUYS ARE NINE DAYS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, FOUR OF WHICH ARE IN THE VERY BEGINNING, WHICH ARE GONNA BE LIGHTLY ATTENDED COMPARATIVELY. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM THAT. OKAY. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS HUMONGOUS EVENT. RIGHT. WE'RE, AND, AND IT COULD BUILD TO THAT. I AGREE. IT COULD BUILD TO THAT, BUT I JUST THINK WE'RE OVER, ESPECIALLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA IS I WENT DOWN THERE AND LOOKED AND IT'S NOT MR. MR. WELL LIVES RIGHT THERE. CLOSE WEEDLE WEEDLE. I'M SORRY, . I, I APOLOGIZE. WEED DOG , I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. BUT MOST OF THE HOUSING ISN'T DOWN THERE. MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL PARTS IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. YEAH. SO THE NOISE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT, AND KIDS AND ALL THAT. AND WE'VE, IF HE HAS THAT OTHER SPOT WITH 70 MORE PARKING SPOTS AND IT ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR PEOPLE TO BE IN A LOT OF THESE OTHER AREAS TO GET THERE. MM-HMM . I MEAN, THAT DISAPPEARS OFF OF THIS PLAN. IF WE USES THAT OTHER SPOT FOR THE PEOPLE, BE PEOPLE PARKING UP THERE WHERE THEY GOTTA WALK DOWN FROM, FROM THOSE AREAS, THEY'D BE CLOSER TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE AND IT'S ALL DOWN THERE IN THAT WAREHOUSE AREA. HE'D HAVE TO PUT A LIGHT TO MAKE IT BRIGHTER SO IT'S SAFE, MORE SAFE. OKAY. BUT THE FIRE MARSHAL'S NOT GONNA APPROVE US PUTTING SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY CAN'T GET A FIRE TRUCK DOWN THERE AND THEY CAN'T GET AN AMBULANCE. AND IF THAT BECAME AN ISSUE, THEY'D CLOSE THE PLACE DOWN. IF THE ROAD WAS WHERE THEY COULDN'T GET THERE, THEY'D COME CLOSE IT. AND I DROVE DOWN WEST JEFFERSON JUST TO LOOK, BECAUSE I KNOW THE LIBRARY HAS TONS OF KIDS EVENTS ON WEEKENDS. ABSOLUTELY. AND THEY PARK ON BOTH SIDES. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT ROAD'S WIDER THAN THE STREETS WHERE I LIVE, AND THEY PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. MM-HMM . AND THE POLICE AND THE FIRE CAN GET UP AND DOWN THE STREETS AND GET THERE. I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, OF WHERE I LIVE, THEY HAVE GINGERBREAD TRAIL AND THE PEOPLE ALL PARK ON THE STREET AROUND IT. IT'S TEMPORARY. DOESN'T TAKE THE ONE WEEKEND AND THEY CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THERE. SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL COME CLOSE THEM DOWN IF IT GETS TO WHERE YOU CAN'T, IF THEY CAN'T GET THERE AND THE, AND THE AMBULANCE CAN'T GET THERE, THEY WILL NOT LET IT STAY OPEN. ALRIGHT. UM, AND, AND AS FAR AS HAVING NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY SURROUNDING RESIDENTS, ATTENDEES IN, AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, IT ALSO HAS A, AN IMPACT TO THE OPERATOR. I THINK INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE CORE BUSINESS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PULL PEOPLE OFF [01:45:01] TO DEAL WITH TRAFFIC AND NOISE. SO I, I KEEP LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME, YOU KNOW, GREAT BENEFIT TO THE CITY, YOU KNOW, TO ALLEVIATE MY, MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE NOISE AND THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, PARKING ISSUES, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE BENEFIT WAS TOURISM, RIGHT? BRINGING PEOPLE IN, UM, OH, WE'RE NOT GONNA BRING THAT MANY PEOPLE IN. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT BENEFIT'S REALLY SMALL. AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL POLICE, ADDITIONAL LIGHTING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IN. NOT US THEM, WELL THEM, NOT YOU. YEAH. THE OPERATOR, NOT THE CITY. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A, A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE OPERATOR. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THESE THINGS. SO IF, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, ANY BENEFIT TO THE CITY IS GONNA GET OFFSET. YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF IS GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH COMPLAINTS AND ISSUES. SO, AND IF MORE ATTENDEES COME, IF THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COME, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. BUT IT MAKES THOSE CONCERNS WORSE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC AND THE CONGESTION. SO IT'S, I I DON'T SEE THE BENEFITS. I WISH I COULD, AND IT'S NOT THE BUSINESS, IT'S THE LOCATION THAT'S ALL WE'RE, THAT'S ALL I'M, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOWS A PORTLET OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, THE FLOOR PLAN DOESN'T HAVE A BATHROOM. SO THAT WAS A PERSONAL CONCERN OF MINE BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. UM, YOU WANNA GO TO A BATHROOM AT A HAUNTED HOUSE, ? I DON'T. BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE FACT THAT THERE'S JUST GONNA BE ONE PORTLET, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE ENOUGH FOR THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT OR A CITY CODE, YOU KNOW, FOR BATHROOM FACILITIES. SO, UM, ANYWAY, I I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING, TALK ANYMORE. UM, WELL, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS JUST TO, JUST TO GET IT OUT THERE. OKAY. UM, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO DECIDE HOW THEY NEED TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS. SO IF, SO, IF THINGS DON'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE AND THEY FAIL, THAT'S, THAT'S ON THEM. RIGHT. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THEIR JOB TO BUDGET FOR THE ADDITIONAL POLICE AND THE LIGHTING. AND IF THE EXPERIENCE IS BAD, AGAIN, NOT OUR JOB TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THEM. SO THOSE AREN'T CONSIDERATIONS FOR US TO MAKE. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE OPERATOR. OKAY. MAY I, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY UNFAIR TO, TO CAST THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THEIR BUSINESS MODEL ON ANOTHER, ON THE OPERATOR. NOT AT ALL. I I'M SAYING THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEIR RESOURCES AND USE THEM FOR OTHER THINGS WHERE THEY COULD BE FOCUSED MORE ON THEIR BUSINESS, BUT THAT, THAT'S ON THEM. THAT'S IF THEY HAD A BETTER LOCATION THAT'S ON THEM, THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY ON THEM. I MEAN IF, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. BUT, UM, THEIR BUSINESS MODEL DOES NOT HAVE TO MAKE SENSE TO YOU. DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE TO ME OR ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE. OKAY. IF IT MAKES SENSE TO THEM, IT MAKES SENSE TO THEM. WELL, UM, WHERE, WHERE I SEE THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT, THAT YOU DID RAISE THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED MM-HMM . UM, THERE, THERE WERE TWO THAT I THINK COULD BE ADDRESSED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. UM, I WOULD FOR ONE, LIKE TO SEE THE FIRST TWO BLOCKS OF MADISON BE NO STREET PARKING, UH, SORRY, OF THE FIRST TWO BLOCKS OF JEFFERSON BE NO STREET PARKING. UM, JUST 'CAUSE OF THE, THE SAFETY THAT COMES UP WITH THOSE, ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRST BLOCK WHEN CARS ARE PARKED UP ON THE STOP SIGN AND THEN YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH AND YOU'VE GOT TO EASE YOUR WAY OUT THERE. AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, THERE'S A CAR COMING 65 MILES AN HOUR DOWN MONROE. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE ADDRESSED. UM, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY OVERDUE. UM, AND WE COULD PROBABLY DO THE SAME THING ON MADISON, BUT THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON MADISON ALREADY THAT DOES CONNECT FROM MONROE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT TOWARDS THE WEST. SO THERE IS A SIDEWALK AT THE WOMAN'S BUILDING CURRENTLY, AND THAT DOES RUN THROUGH, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT MARKED ALL THAT GREAT. UM, THE SAME SIDEWALK IS ON JEFFERSON AND ON FRANKLIN. UM, FRANKLIN, IT'S OVERGROWN IN SPOTS. UM, AGAIN, NOT MARKED IN SPOTS, BUT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS THERE THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED. UM, WHAT I DO THINK THIS DOES FOR US THOUGH, ON THE SAFETY CONCERN SIDE, I THINK THIS REALLY PUSHES US AS A COUNCIL TO PRIORITIZE PUTTING LIGHTING ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET ON THAT SIDE OF MONROE. IT'S LONG OVERDUE. IT'LL ONLY SERVE TO HELP THE BUSINESSES THERE TO INCREASE THE WALKABILITY. IDEALLY, I WANT THESE FOLKS NOT EVEN TO, TO THINK ABOUT PARKING DOWN HERE. I WANT 'EM TO GO PARK ON THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE OR IN THE PARKING GARAGE, GO SHOP FOR A WHILE, GO EAT SOMEWHERE, GO HAVE A DRINK AT AL'S, WHATEVER IT IS, STOP AT ALL THE PLACES ON THE WAY THERE, AND THEN GO ENJOY THE HAUNTED HOUSE AND THEN GO BACK. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE DOWNTOWN IS, IS, IS, IS EXPAND THE SAFE WALKABILITY. SO ALL THIS IDEA OF [01:50:01] THE PARKING AND ALL OF THAT, THE CENTRAL AREA EXTENDS OUT TO THE WOMAN'S BUILDING ALL ALREADY. SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIREMENT THERE, UM, TILL THEY'RE ONLY A BLOCK FROM, FROM THE CENTRAL AREA IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IDEALLY, IF WE PRIORITIZE THAT AND THE SAFETY OF WALKING AND THE WALKABILITY, NONE OF THIS PARKING SHOULD BE AN ISSUE. IT'S ALL, IT SHOULD ALL SHIFT BACK TOWARDS THE DOWNTOWN AND THE, AND AND THE PUBLIC LOTS THAT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY PROVIDED THAT HAVE THE SAFETY THINGS IN PLACE. CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY. SO I UNDERSTAND YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU OPERATORS RESPONSIBLE FOR POLICE AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT WHAT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, WHATEVER THAT ISSUE MAY BE. IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO MY BEDTIME. UM, AND SOMEBODY HAS TO CALL THE POLICE. OKAY. SO THEY PHYSICALLY CALL 9 1 1 AND THEY GET DISPATCHED OUT OR A FIRE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT'S NOT GONNA GET PAID FOR BY THE OPERATOR. THAT THAT IS A CITY. I MEAN, THAT'S AN EXPENSE SIDE, BUT THAT'S FOR ANY BUSINESS. RIGHT? EXACTLY. BUT I'M JUST SAYING WITH, WITH THE INCREASED SAFETY RISKS THAT ARE GONNA TAKE PLACE IN THAT AREA, UM, THAT WAS MY POINT WAS THAT, UM, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY NEED MORE POLICE PROTECTION OR, YOU KNOW, HELP OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. I, I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE PROJECTING ALL OF THAT PART OF IT. IF WE BOIL DOWN TO WHAT YOU'VE RAISED CONCERNS ON, ON SAFETY, IT WAS THE LIGHTING, IT WAS NOISE, WHICH, WHICH HAS BEEN ADDRESSED MM-HMM . UM, THE LIGHTING I AGREE WITH COMPLETELY THE STREET PARKING I AGREE WITH COMPLETELY. SO IF WE AS A COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS THOSE TO NOT JUST HELP THIS BUSINESS, BUT THE OTHER ONES, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO ACTIVATE THE AREA, RIGHT? THAT PART OF TOWN NEEDS TO ACTIVATE. IT IS, IT'S DESOLATE. IT IS UNATTRACTIVE. IT'S NOW A MAIN THOROUGH VARE IN TOWN. UM, WE'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING TO ACTIVATE IT. UM, AND THIS MIGHT BE THE, THE ONE THING TO START THAT PROCESS AND THEN TO PUSH US TO FIND SOLUTIONS IS KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. BECAUSE THE CONCERNS YOU RAISE ON THE SAFETY, THEY'RE VALID FOR SURE. MM-HMM . UM, BUT THE SAFETY AS IN LIGHTING AND STREET PARKING, ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS ITSELF IS THAT'S, THAT'S ON THEM. THAT'S ON THE BUSINESS OWNER. AND YOU TALKED ABOUT APPLES AND ORANGES FOR THE LAKE PARKS. UM, I THINK THIS IS EVEN WORSE BECAUSE IT'S DARK. KIDS JUST LIKE AT THE PARK, UM, WILL BE THERE. UM, AND, AND AGAIN, UM, I I JUST, I DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO THAT SITUATION WHERE THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH ALL THE WAY AND YEAH, I JUST THINK IT SHOULD BE DENIED UNTIL THE LIGHTING IS ADDRESSED. THE STREET ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED. UM, SOME OF THE, THE ISSUES ON THE, THE OPERATIONAL PLAN, UM, YOU, YOU SAID, SO RIGHT THERE WHERE IT SAYS FIRE LANE, NO PARKING AND THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT BIG BLUE TRUCKING OWNS THE LAND? NO, I'M TALKING THAT WAY SOUTH OF THAT. OH, OKAY. SO WHERE IS THE PORTA POTTY? THE WHOLE BIG TRIANGLE THAT'S ACROSS THERE. WHERE THAT RED.IS TRENTON, CAN YOU PUT THE CURSOR UP RIGHT THERE? THAT WHOLE TRIANGLE? YES. IF YOU TAKE THAT WHOLE BIG TRIANGLE, BIG, BIG BLUE TRUCK OWNS ALL OF IT. SO THE PORTA POTTYS GONNA GET MOVED OVER THERE. OH. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S MOVING IT THERE OR NOT. OKAY. BUT IT'S WHERE MR. NEHI SAID HE COULD PUT WHATEVER HE WANTED TO PUT IT OKAY. TO HELP OUT. OKAY. AGAIN, HE IN HIS PARKING OR WHATEVER. SO IF THE PORTA POTTY, HE'S IN A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT'S IMPEDING SOMETHING, THEN MR. LOWMAN, WE WOULD ASK HIM TO MOVE IT. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT FIRE LANE, I MEAN THAT, THAT IS A-B-N-S-F RIGHT AWAY. AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT OWNED BY, I WOULDN'T CLAIM IT THAT WAS OWNED BY BIG BLUE TRUCK. PARDON ME? I WASN'T. OKAY. I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU. I WASN'T, THAT WAS OWNED BY BIG BLUE TRUCK. I MISUNDERSTOOD. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER PART OVER THERE. AND THEN THE OTHER BIG PARKING LOT THAT'S DOWN THERE. OKAY. THE BIG BLUE TRUCK OWNS THAT. NOW WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE ADD ALL OF THE LIGHTING OVER THERE, IS THAT GONNA BE AN ISSUE THAT YOU'RE GONNA RAISE THEN? THAT YOU HAVE LIGHT COMING IN THE WINDOW? NO. OKAY. I'M JUST, I'M JUST MAKING SURE. 'CAUSE IF WE DO THAT, AND THEN NOW THAT'S AN ISSUE. I MEAN THIS, THIS DOES RIGHT BACK UP HERE. THIS DOES NOT IMPACT ME PERSONALLY AT ALL, AT ALL. I GOT NOTIFIED BECAUSE I'M IN THAT 200 FOOT WHATEVER THING. I DON'T HEAR A THING MR. EDLE CLOSEST. YEAH. I DON'T HEAR A THING FROM RAIL PORT. THEY'RE GREAT NEIGHBORS. UM, AND I WANT IT TO STAY THAT WAY. I, I WANT US TO, TO WORK TOGETHER SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS. I DON'T WANT A YEAR FROM NOW, [01:55:01] OH MY GOSH, IT WAS HORRIBLE. SOMEBODY GOT HURT. YOU KNOW? UM, I, I TRY TO BE PREVENTIVE, UM, INSTEAD OF REACTIVE. UM, AND I, I I THINK THESE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE SUP IS APPROVED. WELL, AND I THINK THAT WE'VE AS A COUNCIL HAVE SHOWN A HISTORY OF LOOKING AT WEST JEFFERSON AND REALIZING WHEN THEY WANTED TO PUT THE BAKERY THAT WAS GONNA GO THERE ON THAT SKINNY ROAD AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL ZONED RESIDENTIAL. AND WE, WE TAKE THAT TO HEART RIGHT NOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AREA THAT'S NOT ZONED RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT. IT'S ZONED FOR THESE OTHER KINDS OF BUSINESSES AND OTHER THINGS TO GO IN THERE. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN PUT DOWN THERE AND OPERATE THAT'S GONNA BE IN, AND MAYBE IT'LL BE SOME OTHER BUSINESS THAT RENTS OUT THAT WANTS JUST A WAREHOUSE SPACE IN THE FUTURE. IT COULD BE HEAVY TRUCKS AND IT, IT, AS LONG AS IT'S SAFE AND IT DOESN'T HURT OUR RESIDENTS OR OUR, THE VISITORS AND THE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE, THAT THAT'S WHAT, AND BELIEVE ME, EVERYBODY UP HERE WANTS TO I AGREE. MOST SAFETY WE CAN HAVE, I KNOW YOU DO FOR THE REST AND, AND WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO WORK WITH MR. LOWMAN IF THIS PASSES, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERY SAFETY MEASURE WE POSSIBLY CAN TO, TO DO THAT. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE VOTING ON IT TONIGHT OR NOT. LIKE YOU I CLUE. I DON'T CLUE. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. THE REASON MR. LOWMAN DID IT IS BECAUSE SINCE IT WENT DOWN AT PLANNING AND ZONING THREE TO TWO, HE HAS TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US AGREE TONIGHT. EXACTLY. AND IF MR IF WE TABLED IT, THEN HE'D HAVE AN EXTRA PERSON TO WHERE IF HE HAD A NO VOTE, HE'D STILL HAVE THE CHANCE. WHICH WE, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION. THAT'S HIS MIND, THAT'S HIS DECISION. AND I KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW Y'ALL DO THE RIGHT THING. I MEAN, SITTING NEXT TO THAT LADY, SHE WAS FROM CAPELLE AND YOU KNOW, SHE SAID, OH, WAXED YOU'S SUCH A GREAT TOWN. IT IS. AND I THANK Y'ALL FOR GIVING THIS CONSIDERATION. UM, AND THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS DISCUSSED ABOUT THIS TONIGHT WAY OFF COURSE FROM THE PRESENTED SUP, UM, CAN WE GET SOME DIRECTION AS FAR AS, I MEAN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS TO DISCUSSED. TABLE. YEAH. YEAH. HIS CALL, HE WANTS TO, WHAT ARE WE, COME ON UP, WHAT WOULD WE BE TABLING TO WAIT FOR? I MEAN, IT'S, THERE'S, I THINK IF WE TABLED IT, IT'D JUST BE, SO WE HAD FIVE PEOPLE VOTE AND INSTEAD OF FOUR. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR WELL, WE HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE IT. I MEAN, HE CAN ASK FOR IT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS IF WE BRING IT UP AND ONE OF US VOTES, NO, THEN HE CAN'T COME BACK FOR SIX MONTHS AND ASK. WHEREAS IF HE TABLES IT OR HE WITHDRAWS, THEN HE CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS IMMEDIATELY AND DO IT. SO WELL, I GUESS HE'S TAKEN A CHANCE. ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS FROM COUNSEL THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED? I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING OR SAYING YES TO THIS WHEN THERE'S BEEN SO MANY THINGS TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. THAT'S, THAT IT'S NOT PRESENTED IN THE, IN THE, THE SUP. THAT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING LIGHTS AND THIS AND EXPENSES AND ALL THAT MEAN, THE, THE LIGHTS WERE ALREADY IN THE ORIGINAL. I MEAN, BUT BEING A COST TO THE CITY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ANY OF THAT'S GONNA COST, WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO IT. I MEAN THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH TALK ABOUT TONIGHT THERE. DO THE GENERAT? NO, WE HAVE OUR OWN LIGHTS. WE ALREADY OWN OUR OWN LIGHTS. THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE ORIGINAL. WE GOT A COMMERCIAL LIGHT TOWER THAT WE USED FOR PARKING. WELL, MAYOR, I AGREE WITH YOU. UM, I THINK JUST SO WE ALL HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING AND THOSE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IF, IF THIS CAN BE PUSHED JUST SO BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF CAN BRING US, THIS IS WHAT YEAH. THE ULTIMATE THAT, THAT THAT IS AGREED UPON THE WOMAN'S AGREED TO DO THIS AND CAN WE CHECK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE STREET? AND, YOU KNOW, SORRY ABOUT THAT. JUST THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. I THINK TO BE FAIR FOR EVERYBODY, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOOK FOR. UM, AND IF I MAY COUNSEL, SORRY. NO, PLEASE GO AHEAD. UH, FROM THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHEN YOU ARE APPROVING, UH, ESPECIALLY USED PERMIT, YOU CAN PUT ON EXTRA CONDITIONS AT THE TIME OF IT. UH, SO YOU COULD DO THAT NOW. NOW IF THERE'S SOME CONCERN, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF NEW INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, THAT MAYBE COUNCIL FEELS NEEDS TO HAVE MORE, UH, NOTICE TO THE CITIZENS, MR. LOWMAN, YOUR YOURSELVES, MORE TIME FOR RESEARCH, THEN THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, TO TABLE IT AND ALLOW OPPORTUNITY FOR RESUBMISSION OF THAT INFORMATION, UH, POSTING THE INFORMATION TO GIVE AGAIN, CITIZENS AND COUNCIL TIME TO ACTUALLY MORE [02:00:01] FEEL THAT THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISION WITH MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, TWO HOURS NOTICE. AND COULD WE NOT JUST CONTINUE THIS TO THE JULY 7TH MEETING AND THAT GIVES THEM TWO FULL WEEKS? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, UNLESS IT'S DIFFERENT FROM TABLING I YEAH. TABLE BACK. THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEW POSTING OR, OR NOTICING. SO IF THEY SET A DATE, THEN THEY SHOULD BE OKAY. I THINK TABLING IT YES. A SPECIFIC DATE, RIGHT TABLE. IT'S CORRECT. I THINK EVERYTHING, ALL THE NEW INFORMATION HAS SORT OF BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT NOW THROUGH ALL THE DISCUSSION. OUR NEXT MEETING, JULY 7TH. YEAH. AND THAT GIVES THEM TWO FULL WEEKS TO YEAH. WE CAN BRING FORWARD. Y'ALL WILLING TO DO THAT? YES MA'AM. MA'AM. IRON OUT EVERYTHING THAT'S YES, MA'AM. THAT YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT TO WHAT YOU'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT TO. YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE CONCERNS TONIGHT AND YOU'VE ALSO HEARD THAT ALL OF OUR CONCERN IS SAFETY. MM-HMM . YES MA'AM. AND THIS IS A TRIAL RUN. MM-HMM . I DON'T WANNA BE TACKY HERE, BUT YOU BLOW IT THIS TIME AND IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN. WE JUST ASK FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND WE WOULD BE FULLY PREPARED ON THE SEVENTH WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'VE LEARNED IN THE LAST WEEK ABOUT HOW WE CAN ENHANCE THE SAFETY AND THE, THE EASE OF OPERATING DOWN THERE. SO PART OF OUR PACKET ALSO INCLUDED A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR FORMER, UH, FIRE MARSHAL AS WELL AS THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN RED OAK. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. SCOTT, WE TABLE IT THE THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED. SO IT'LL BE PUT IN SOME KIND OF WRITTEN FORM. WILL SOMEONE REPRESENT THAT? YEP. AT THE JULY 7TH. SO THAT WAY MR. WEEDLE AND MS. BOWEN GET TO HEAR WHAT, SINCE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REPOST IT, IT WILL BE POSTED TO THE FRIDAY BEFORE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE INFORMATION IS. BUT THAT WAY THEY'LL, WHEN THE PRESENTATIONS MO YOU'LL THEY'LL KNOW THE SAME THING. EVERYBODY WILL KNOW RIGHT. IN THAT SUGGEST IS, IS THE LOWMAN'S RESUBMIT BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION AND THEN THE FEEDBACK THEY THEY'VE RECEIVED AND THEN WE'LL PUT IN A COMPLETE APPLICATION THAT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNSEL FOR CONSIDERATION. RESUBMIT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING? NO. NO. OH. OH, OKAY. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT WOULD BE US GETTING THIS NEW INFORMATION AND FORMAT TO PLANNING AND ZONING. YEAH, WE'RE A LETTER. YEAH. PERFECT. SAYING HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. GOTCHA. SO, SO THE THINGS THAT, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, LIGHTING AND WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED AT. UM, SO IF IT'S THINGS THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO PAY FOR, WHERE IS THAT AT? MM-HMM . UM, SO A MAP THAT SHOWS THAT, UM, THE WALKABILITY WITH LIGHTS THAT ARE THERE CURRENTLY AND THOSE THAT YOU PLAN TO PUT IN PLACE THAT INCLUDES SIDEWALKS AND ACCESSIBILITY WAS RAISED. SO A MAP THAT KIND OF SHOWS THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. UM, THE FULL PARKING SCOPE AND THE DISTANCES THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO WALK THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE WALKABILITY. SO IF IT'S LIT, IF THERE'S A SIDEWALK, UM, THAT WAS ABOUT THE EXTENT OF WHAT WAS RAISED THAT ON THE SAFETY SIDE AS OPPO OR NOT AS OPPOSED. AND THEN IN ADDITION, IT WAS THE LOCATION OF THE PORTA POT AND HAND WASHING STATION I THINK WAS ABOUT IT. YEAH. THEY'RE OPERATIONALLY JUST THEIR, THEIR QUEUING OF THE, THE TICKETING SYSTEM. THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TOO. AND IF FOR ANY REASON THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT ON WAY TRAFFIC COULD AND COULDN'T GO, IF THERE WAS, IT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN A POSSIBILITY, BUT WELL, THEY COULD MAKE A REQUEST FOR IT. AND THEN, OR NO PARKING. OR NO PARKING, LIKE YOU SAID ON THE FIRST CORNER AT JEFFERSON AND ALL THAT, IT'S WE'LL WAIT ON THAT. YES, YES. I'VE BEEN ALL CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE, THE CITY STAFF. WE'RE DOWN FOR THAT. YEAH. YOU'VE HEARD EVERYTHING HERE TONIGHT. YES. SEVERAL TIMES. SO USED TO THAT. AND MAYOR WALLACE ALSO HAD REQUESTED AN ADDITIONAL OFFICER. YES. THAT HELPED. YEAH. AND THEY AGREED TO THAT. OH, FOR SURE. NOT UNREASONABLE. AND THEN, I MEAN, EVEN WHILE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS AND WORKING WITH STAFF AND EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE, THROW IN THERE. YOU JUST, YOU'RE NOT LI LIMITED TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE. THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE. WE'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND. WE WANT THIS TO BE A SUCCESS. WE DO, THE LAST THING WE WANT IS TO, TO APPROVE THIS AND IT FAIL. OR THERE BE SOME HUGE ISSUE WHERE YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, DO THIS BUSINESS OR ANY BUSINESS, UH, ANY LONGER BECAUSE YOU KNOW OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME WITH, WITH WHAT YOU, YOU HAD. WE WANT IT TO BE A SUCCESS. WE WANT IT TO BE SAFE. EVERYBODY'S NOT GONNA BE PLEASED. THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST NOT THAT. YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY USED TO THAT. OH YEAH, I'M SURE YOU ARE. BUT WE JUST AS A COUNCIL. MM-HMM . WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL SAFE. OKAY? WE CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY, BUT WE WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN THE CITY [02:05:01] SAFE FOR THIS EVENT AND EVERY OTHER. OKAY? YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAD MAYOR, IF YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION. I HAVE ONE. GO AHEAD. MAD [10. Consider proposed Ordinance approving ZDC-69-2025] MAYOR, I MOVE TO CONTINUE ZDC 69 DASH 2025. A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN AMUSEMENT INDOOR HAUNTED HOUSE USE TO OUR JULY 7TH MEETING. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PLEASE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU COUNSEL. SO JUST, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, THE RESIDENTS KNOW THIS WON'T BE REPOSTED. SO THIS IS YOUR NOTICE THAT THAT MEETING THERE SOME WILL BE. IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE INPUT INTO THIS? SEND AN EMAIL. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST BLOCK. FIRST BLOCK MADISON, WE TALK ABOUT. YEAH. AND, AND THIS NEXT WEEK OR BEFORE THAT MEETING, YOU CAN COME DOWN TO CITY HALL AND MEET WITH MR. UH, TRENTON. AND, AND HE'LL, HE'LL GIVE YOU THE BOOKS BEEN SUBMITTED AND WHAT COUNSEL HAS GOT IN PACKET. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO THEN THAT MOVES US TO ITEM 11. [11. Consider proposed Resolution of support for 2025 Transportation Alternatives Funding Application with Texas Department of Transportation] WE'RE NOT FINISHED. WHERE Y'ALL GOING? ? I THINK THEY'VE HAD ENOUGH FOR TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. CONSIDER PROPOSED RELU RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR 2025. TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES. FUNDING APPLICATION WITH TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. JUSTIN, WE CONTINUE THE OTHER ONE. OH, THANK YOU MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION T SENDS LATE LAST YEAR, UH, WITH A FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED AROUND ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION METHODS ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE. UH, WE, UH, SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY APPLICATION IN FEBRUARY TO SUPPORT PHASE TWO OF THE MIDLOTHIAN TO WAXAHATCHEE REGIONAL TRAIL, WHICH GOES FROM FM 8 75 TO US 2 87 UP BY THE AND STEAM ACADEMY. UM, OUR PRELIMINARY APPLICATION WAS FAVORABLY RECEIVED AND WE WERE INVITED TO SUBMIT A DETAILED APPLICATION. UH, THE DETAILED APPLICATION REQUIRES COUNSEL SUPPORT. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNSEL. ANY DISCUSSION? NO. NO. YEAH. MM-HMM . MATTER. MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE 2025 TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES FUNDING APPLICATION FOR THE WAXAHATCHEE TO MIDLOTHIAN REGIONAL TRAIL, PHASE TWO WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR AND OR CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU COUNSEL. [12. Consider Roadway and Water Line Oversize Participation Agreement for Dove Hollow Phase 3] NEXT ITEM, CONSIDER ROADWAY AND WATERLINE OVERSIZED PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT FOR DOVE HOLLOW PHASE THREE, JAMES MAYOR COUNCIL. UM, IT'S THE ITEMS TO TALK ABOUT THE OVERSIZED PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT WITH, UH, GREEN BRICK EDGEWOOD, UH, LLC. AND THIS IS FOR THE ROADWAY AND WATER, UH, LINE OVERSIGHTS. SO GREEN BRICK WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR INSTALLING, UH, TWO LANES OF ROAD, BUT THEY INSTALLED THE FOUR LANES. AND THEN SAME THING WITH WATER. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR UP TO 12 INCHES OF WATER LINES AND THEY INSTALLED THE 16 INCH WATER LINE. AND SO THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO A COUNCIL, UH, AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD BACK IN JANUARY 18TH, 2022. UH, PHASE THREE OF THE APOL IS THE LAST PHASE OF THE PROJECT, AND SO THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY DEALING WITH REIMBURSEMENT OF THAT, UH, OVERSIZE OF THE ROADWAY AND WATER. AND THIS WILL BE PAID OUT OF THE, UH, WATER AND ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. OKAY, THANK YOU, JAMES. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSEL MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ROADWAY AND WATERLINE OVERSIZED PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT. WILL GRBK EDGEWOOD LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF $310,872, AUTHORIZE A MAYOR AND OR CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS? YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU COUNSEL. NEXT ITEM, DISCUSS [13. Discuss and consider proposed Ordinance approving a general homestead exemption at a specified percentage of the appraised value of the residence homestead and with a minimum exemption of $5,000 for the tax year beginning January 1, 2025] AND CONSIDER PROPOSED ORDINANCE APPROVING A GENERAL HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AT A SPECIFIED PERCENTAGE OF THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE RESIDENT'S HOMESTEAD, AND WITH A MINIMUM EXEMPTION OF $5,000 FOR THE TAX YEAR BEGINNING [02:10:01] JANUARY 1ST, 2025. MICHAEL, THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND, UH, I AM PRESENTING THIS ON BEHALF OF MR. TUS, AND HE'S ON A MUCH NEEDED VACATION. SO I TOLD HIM I'D, I'D PRESENT THIS TO YOU ALL. IF YOU'LL RECALL, BACK ON APRIL 15TH, WE DID HAVE A WORKSHOP TO TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES FOR THIS NEXT, UH, BUDGET CYCLE. UH, ONE OF THOSE PRIORITIES WAS, UH, RELIEF FOR, UH, OUR, OUR RESIDENTS AND THE WAY OF, OF TAXES. UM, THE WAY OF DOING THAT EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT, UM, THAT WE BELIEVE IS ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE WAY OF DOING THAT IS, IS LEANING ON THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. SO IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE HAVE A CURRENTLY A THREE AND A HALF PERCENT EXEMPTION IN PLACE. UH, THAT WAS INCREASED LAST YEAR. UH, THE PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME WAS, UM, ON APRIL 15TH WAS DOUBLING, ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION TO 7%. UM, THIS DOES HAVE A GENERAL FUND, UH, IMPACT OF ABOUT $420,000, AS WELL AS, UH, A DEBT SERVICE IMPACT OF ABOUT $260,000. UM, STAFF HAS KIND OF BAKED THIS INTO OUR, OUR BUDGET THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU ON THE 7TH OF JULY. UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE COULDN'T WAIT TILL THEN TO PRESENT THIS BECAUSE STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO HAVE IT ADOPTED BY JULY 1ST, IF THAT'S THE WISHES OF COUNSEL. SO THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A 7% EXEMPTION, UH, THAT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT THIS NEXT TAX YEAR. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MICHAEL. COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. NO. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE TO ADOPT A 7% GENERAL HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FROM AD VALOREM TAXES WITH A MINIMUM EXEMPTION OF $5,000 FOR THE TAX YEAR BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST, 2024. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. ALL RIGHT, THAT BRINGS [14. Comments by Mayor, City Council, City Attorney and City Manager ] US TO COMMENTS BY MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER. I'M GONNA START TO MY LEFT DOWN THERE. YOU GUYS GOT ANYTHING? YOU SURE TODAY? COUNCIL, UH, ALBERT. I JUST WANTED TO, UM, I KNOW IT'S ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND THE GREAT JOB THEY DID FOR THE DERAILMENT AND, AND OTHER STAFF THAT WAS SUPPORTING WITH STREETS AND COMMUNICATIONS. UH, UH, IT WAS A WHOLE GAMUT. IT WAS A, A FULL TEAM EFFORT AND, UH, I THINK DID A GREAT JOB AND, AND SHOWED THAT WE CAN RESPOND. AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS. I REMEMBER WHEN I SAW THE TEXT THAT NIGHT, I, I READ IT AND THEN I GOT UP AND WASHED MY FACE AND READ IT AGAIN TO MAKE SURE I READ IT CORRECTLY. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THEY, THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. AND THEN ALSO TOO, I WANTED TO, UH, GIVE KUDOS TO, UH, OR, OR KUDOS TO, UH, IT FIRST FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY KNOW, UH, TO LORI MOSLEY FOR THE, THE PURPLE HIRED AND, AND THE FOLKS THAT HAVE HELPED HER OUT WITH THE ORGANIZATION AND, AND, AND OUR OTHER STAFF MEMBERS. BUT, UH, THEY REALLY LIKE, LIKE EVERYTHING YOU, YOU TALK TO 'EM ABOUT IT, JUST A BRIEF MOMENT, AND THEN THEY TAKE IT AND THEY KNOCK IT OUTTA THE PARK AND THEY TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND THEY GIVE IT, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT WHERE IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE SUPER PROUD OF. AND AS YOU HEARD FROM, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE ORGANIZATION, UH, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, THE MOST ORGANIZED AND PROFESSIONAL AND BEST STAFF THAT THEY'VE WORKED WITH IN TEXAS. SO, AND, AND THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW AGAIN HOW GREAT OUR STAFF IS AND, UH, AND ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT LORI AND, AND ALL OF THE OTHER FOLKS DID ON THIS. THANKS. THANK YOU ALBERT. COUNCILMAN SMITH. MAYOR WALLACE, I WILL NOT STEAL YOUR THUNDER. SO I'LL LET YOU TALK ABOUT THE TRAIN DERAILMENT AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO. UM, I JUST WANNA SHARE THAT, THAT IT, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE TO WATCH ALL THE FO ALL THE FOLKS INVOLVED FROM STATE LEVEL, THE FEDERAL SIDE, THE CITY, AND THE COUNTY. UM, IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AND IT WAS AWFULLY, AWFULLY HANDY FOR THE COUNTY TO HAVE A EMERGENCY CENTER ON, ON THE THIRD FLOOR THERE, RIGHT ACROSS FROM IT. UM, JUST A FUN LITTLE NOTE ON THAT. GEORGIA AND I WERE ACTUALLY MAKING A, UH, LEGO TRAIN WHEN THE TRAIN DERAILED. SO WE GOT THAT TEXT MESSAGE AND I WAS LIKE, OH, WELL, OKAY. THIS IS ODD. UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, LORI, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING, UM, THAT YOU'VE DONE WITH YOU. SHE'S SHAKING YOUR HEAD LIKE, YOU DIDN'T DO IT. IT'S SO MANY DEPARTMENTS AND SO MANY VOLUNTEER GROUPS. I JUST HAVE A GOOD TELEPHONE AND I TEXT PEOPLE AND THEY RESPOND. AND THAT'S THE RESULT OF THAT. IT'S THE COMMUNITY OF WAXAHATCHEE AND THE MILITARY ORDER OF PURPLE. IT'S YOUR LEADERSHIP THAT GETS ALL THAT DONE THOUGH. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, AND TO ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AGAIN ON, ON THE TRAIN FRONT AND ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORTED THEM, PRETTY INCREDIBLE. UM, YOU STOLE MY PHONE. I DIDN'T STEAL ALL OF IT. I, YOU CAN POINT OUT THE, IT WAS JUST INCREDIBLE USED TO IT TO WATCH [02:15:01] ALL OF THOSE. I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEY WERE DRIVING UP AND DOWN OUR STREET, JUST THE TRUCKS AND TRUCKS AND TRUCKS AND TRUCKS. I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL DID IT, BUT THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU, MICHAEL. I'LL JUST PASS, BUT ECHOING EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, SO I WANNA HEAR YOUR THUNDER , IT'S ALREADY BEEN STOLEN, BUT THANKS . UM, COUNCILMAN RIOT. FIRST I WANNA THANK IN PACIFIC FOR NOT HAVING THE HORNS BLOWING FOR A FEW DAYS. , IT WAS NICE AND PEACEFUL AND I GOT SOME SLEEP, BUT THEY'RE ALL KIDDING ASIDE. I WANNA THANK ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT AND SUPPORTED ALEX, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO SEE WHEN PEOPLE COME IN HERE WITH AN ISSUE. WE WANNA SEE WHO'S SUPPORTING IT AND IF THERE'S NO SUPPORT IN ANYTHING ELSE. AND APPRECIATE YOU STAYING TO THE VERY END TO HEAR ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS WE HAVE TO SAY. BUT THANK YOU REALLY FOR COMING AND, AND, AND SUPPORTING. AND WE HAVE A MANY, MANY TIMES WHERE WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IN HERE THAT GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON, AND Y'ALL DIDN'T. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, SECOND THING ON THE, ON THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE CATCH A LOT ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES AND WE TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN THAT'S GONNA GIVE SOME IMPACT, BUT ALSO NOT CRIPPLE THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO FIXING THE ROADS AND FIXING THE THINGS. 'CAUSE A LOT OF A MILLION PEOPLE, I SEE 'EM ALL THE TIME YELLING ABOUT POTHOLES, BUT THEN THEY SAY WE'RE RAISING THEIR TAXES AND THEY, THEY BOTH GO HAND IN HAND. WE GOTTA DO ONE OR THE OTHER. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT. AND IF GOVERNOR ABBOTT SIGNS IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA RAISE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AT THE STATE LEVEL TO 140,000 AND FOR THE DISABLED AND THE ELDERLY TO 200,000. SO IF YOU ADD THE LITTLE BIT WE GAVE TO IT, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL MITIGATE YOUR RAISE ON YOUR APPRAISALS THIS YEAR. BUT THEN WE TRY AS, AS BEST AS WE CAN AS A COUNCIL TO SMARTLY SPEND Y'ALL'S MONEY AS BEST WE CAN AND NOT WASTE IT. SO WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU, YOU GUYS THAT DO UNDERSTAND, SUPPORT IT AND, AND GIVE US THE, THE HELP THAT WE NEED AND GIVE US YOUR BACK, YOUR BACKING WHEN IT COMES TO IT. AND OTHER THAN THAT, MR. LEBRON HAD TO LEAVE 'CAUSE WE WERE GETTING LONG-WINDED, BUT I WANT TO THANK DV ONCE AGAIN FOR COMING. HE GAVE TO HIS COUNTRY AND NOW HE'S GIVING BACK TO HIS COMMUNITY AND WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR PROTE SITTER. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. UH, JUST QUICKLY AGAIN, DITO ON ALL THE FIRST RESPONDERS, EVERYTHING THAT, THAT Y'ALL DID. UM, WE NOW KNOW THAT, UH, TRAVIS AND HIS LEGO TRAIN IS THE JINX THAT, UH, CAUSED THIS TO HAPPEN. SO , UM, ALSO DV LEBRON, IF I WOULD REALLY GO AND WATCH WHAT HE DOES, UM, FRIEND OR WHATEVER YOU DO ON FACEBOOK TO, TO CATCH WHAT HE, WHAT HE DOES BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, DURING POLITICAL TIMES. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ALL THE TIME. AND THIS GUY, IT IS A LABOR OF LOVE AND HE INVESTS SO MUCH IN IT. SO, UH, CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING HIM AS OUR HONORARY COUNCIL PERSON. UM, LORI, YOU'RE GONNA SHAKE YOUR HEAD AT ME, BUT YOU AND EVERYBODY THAT TIED BACK TO THIS, THE PURPLE HEART CITY, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT AND KEEPING AS APPRISED OF IT, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING SPECIAL. UM, UH, AND ALSO THE CITY, MICHAEL AND ALBERT AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY THAT RUNS, UH, THE PLACE HERE. WE REALLY HAVE BEEN INVESTING IN OUR VETERANS DAY PROGRAM, WHICH HAS GROWN AND GROWN AND GROWN. UM, THE CHRIS KYLE STATUE THAT ALONG WITH ELLIS COUNTY VETERANS AND, UM, WITH, WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY, WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE THAT HERE. AND THIS PURPLE HEART CITY THING IS, IS A BIG DEAL. I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, ON UH, FATHER'S DAY, I WAS THINKING BACK TO MY FATHER WHO ACTUALLY SERVED IN WORLD WAR II IN THE KOREAN WAR AND WAS A PURPLE HEART, UH, VETERAN. AND, UM, IT MEANS A LOT. AND WHEN YOU SEE EVERYBODY HERE FROM YOUNG AND TO OLD THAT WERE HERE FOR THE PRESENTATION TODAY, UM, WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN FOR THEIR COUNTRY, UM, IT, IT, IT, THINK ABOUT IT, THINK ABOUT IT WHEN YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THINGS THAT THESE ARE FOLKS THAT HAVE, UH, THAT HAVE SACRIFICED. AND SO, UH, ROBERT AND, AND ALL THE ELLIS COUNTY VETERANS AND, UM, EVERYBODY ELSE RECOGNIZED THAT WAXAHATCHEE IS A SPECIAL PLACE WHERE WE DO APPRECIATE [02:20:01] AND, AND ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR CONTRIBUTION. AND I THINK THAT'S GOES ACROSS ACROSS THE SPECTRUM. SO JUST WANNA SAY, LORI, THANK YOU FOR, FOR SPEARHEADING THIS. THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT. UH, I JUST WANT TO, UH, ECHO THE ACCOLADES, UH, TO, TO LORI. AND I KNOW ALBERT, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE EVEN PITCHED THE IDEA ORIGINALLY. UH, SO THANK YOU, UH, FOR THAT ON ALL THE HARD WORK, UH, THAT WAS DONE AND, UH, JUST HONORED, UH, AS A COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT, UH, THAT PROCLAMATION AND MAKE WAXAHATCHEE A PURPLE HEART CITY. IT'S HUGE. IT'S IMPORTANT. AND, UM, TO EVERYBODY THAT WORKED SO HARD ON THE TRAINED DERAILMENT, UH, IT SHOULD MAKE US ALL FEEL LIKE THAT WE LIVE IN A, A GREAT CITY THAT, UM, IS BEING LED BY PEOPLE WHO TRULY, TRULY CARE ABOUT EVERY ONE OF US. AND, UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS I, I WANT TO THANK, UH, MICHAEL AND THE CITY STAFF, UH, FOR GETTING THIS 7%, UH, TO THE TABLE FOR US TO VOTE ON. UH, WE'VE HAD LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT. IT'S THE DESIRE OF THIS COUNCIL TO FIND NEW WAYS TO SAVE PROPERTY OWNERS MONEY AND PUT MONEY BACK IN OUR POCKETS. EVERY ONE OF US LIVE HERE TOO, AND EVERY ONE OF US PAY PROPERTY TAXES TOO. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY. IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO RUN THIS CITY, UH, TO PAY SALARIES, TO FIX ROADS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A BALANCE THERE THAT COUNCIL HAS TO FIGURE OUT. HOW CAN WE SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY AND NOT TAX 'EM OUT OF THEIR HOMES, BUT HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITY SO THAT IT DOESN'T FALL APART AS WELL? UH, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND I KNOW THAT ALL OF COUNCIL DOES. AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA ADJOURN THE MEETING. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. IT IS 9 25. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.