* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] OKAY, LET'S [1. Call to Order] CALL THE TUESDAY, MAY 27TH, PLANNING AND ZONING, COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION. FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE OFFER THANKS FOR THE BLESSINGS OF TODAY. AND FATHER, WE ARE ALWAYS MINDFUL FOR OUR MANY BLESSINGS AND THE BLESSINGS OF BEING ABLE TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND, AND THE BLESSING OF BEING ABLE TO SERVE. AND FATHER, THIS EVENING, AS WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT OUR CITIZENS, WE JUST ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE. AND FATHER, WE ASK FOR YOUR FORGIVENESS WHEN WE FALL SHORT. YOUR SON'S NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC? SEEING NO ONE WE'LL PROCEED TO THE CONSENT [4. Consent Agenda] AGENDA, WHICH ARE ALL ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSION DEEMS A ROUTINE IN NATURE AND WHICH CAN BE ENACTED IN ONE MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM, [5. Public Hearing on a request by Ryan McIntosh, Trinity Partners, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a Unified Lot Sign use within a Planned Development-42-C (PD-42-C) zoning district, located directly south of 1650 N US Highway 77 (Property ID: 223131) – Owner: Bomac Wax Investments LLC (ZDC-14-2025)] PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY RYAN MCINTOSH TRINITY PARTNERS FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A UNIFIED LOT SIGN USE WITHIN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT 42 C ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED DIRECTLY SOUTH OF 1650 NORTH US HIGHWAY 77. PROPERTY ID 2 2 3 1 3 1. OWNER BOMAC WALKS AND WAX INVESTMENTS, THEY'LL CZDC DASH 14 DASH 2025. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. I'VE GOT THAT ONE OVER HERE. OKAY, SO AGENDA ITEM FIVE FOR ZDC 14 20 25, AS YOU NOTED, IS GONNA BE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR UNIFIED LOT SIGN FOR THE PLAZA AT BESSIE COLEMAN DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT YOU CONSIDERED AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING ANCHORED BY SPROUTS. SO THEY'RE RETURNING FOR AN SUP SPECIFICALLY FOR SIGNAGE FOR THE SITE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND PULL UP THE SIGNAGE THAT'S GONNA BE LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF BESSIE COLEMAN, HIGHWAY 77. SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER. THE SIGN IS 28 FEET IN HEIGHT AND APPROXIMATELY 300 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE HAS 10 MESSAGE BOARDS ON THERE. THEY ARE STATIC, UH, AND OPPORTUNITY FOR JUST THE RETAIL USERS ON THE SITE. THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE SIGNS OF THIS SIZE AND SCALE TO RECEIVE SUP APPROVAL BEFORE THEY'RE INSTALLED. THE WAXAHATCHEE MARKETPLACE, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH, HAS A SIMILAR SIGN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BESSIE COLEMAN. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET IN HEIGHT. UH, THE SIGN BEFORE YOU HEAR TODAY IS EQUIVALENT TO THAT IN NATURE. IT DOES INCLUDE A STONE VENEER BASE THAT MATCHES, UH, THE FACADE USED FOR THE PLAZA BESSEY COLEMAN DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THEIR SITE. UH, THE COLOR PALETTE AS WELL IS THE SAME AS THAT USED FOR THE BUILDING FOR THE PLAZA. BESSEY COLEMAN, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR THE SUP REQUEST. AND WITH THAT IN MIND, WE ARE GONNA BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE SUP REQUEST, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THIS ONE. THE APPLICANT'S HERE AGAIN TONIGHT FOR YOU AS WELL. THANK YOU, ZACH. ZACH, CAN YOU POINT OUT ON, ON THE BOUNDARY EXACTLY WHERE THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT THERE? YES, SIR. SO RIGHT HERE WHERE MY CURSOR'S AT, IT WILL BE UP OPPOSITE OF THE EXISTING SIGN ACROSS BESSIE COLEMAN. SO RIGHT ABOUT HERE. OKAY. AND THE SMALLER MONUMENT SIGN, IS IT GONNA BE AT ONE OF THE ENTRANCES? YEAH. SO THE SMALLER MONUMENT SIGNS ARE DOTTED THROUGHOUT THE SITE. OKAY. OKAY. THESE MONUMENT SIGNS WERE ACCOUNTED FOR WITH THE SITE PLAN YOU CONSIDERED LAST TIME. OKAY. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IT'S THE APPLICANT HERE. JUST BASIC SIGN. Y'ALL MEET EVERYTHING. DO, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ENOUGH, I GUESS, SIGN BOARDS THERE FOR ALL THE TENANTS THAT ARE GONNA YES, SIR. SO, UM, HOW WE'VE DONE THAT IS WE'VE GOT, I THINK YOU SAID 10, BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CUT THOSE IN HALF OKAY. IF WE WANT TO. UM, BUT YEAH, THE, THE IDEA IS TO PUT EVERYBODY ON THE LARGE SIGN, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TWO PADS THAT ARE FRONT, THEY'LL EACH HAVE THEIR OWN SIGN, UH, PER THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE FROM 70. YES SIR. SEVEN. YEAH. YEAH. SO YEAH, THAT, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS SEEN. OKAY. ANYONE HAVE, HAVE MANY QUESTIONS? WILL THE APPLICANT THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I'LL SAY I DID HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE AFTER THE LAST MEETING WHO ARE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE A SPROUTS COMING . I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT TOO. THANK YOU. [00:05:01] THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE. THE PUBLIC HEARING CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION [6. Consider recommendation of ZDC-14-2025] I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZDC 14 DASH 2025. A UNIFIED LOT SIGN FOR THE PLAZA AT BESSIE COLEMAN. SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC [7. Public Hearing on a request by Alexandria Webber, for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for a Short-Term Rental use within a Multi-Family Residential-1 (MF-1) zoning district located at 865 Cantrell St. (Property ID 179113) - Owner: Alexandria Webber & Dustin Webber (ZDC-54-2025)] HEARING ON A REQUEST BY ALEXANDRIA WEBER. FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE WITHIN A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 8 65 CANTRELL STREET. PROPERTY ID 1 7 9 1 1 3. OWNER ALEXANDRIA WEBER AND DUSTIN WEBER, ZDC DASH FIVE FOUR DASH 2025. OKAY, HAVE YOU GOT THAT? YES, SIR. UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UH, TONIGHT I'M PRESENTING ZDC DASH 54 20 25 FOR A SPECIFIC USE REQUEST FOR SHORT, SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED 8 6 5 CANTRELL STREET, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ONE. UM, AND IT MUST BE SAID THAT IT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND IT'S BEEN USED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UH, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS APPROXIMATELY 2084 SQUARE FEET, WHICH CONTAINS TWO BEDROOMS AND HAS SUFFICIENT IMPROVED SURFACE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED OFF STREET PARKING OF TWO SPACES. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN O HAS NOT BEEN OPERATING IN THIS LOCATION AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. AS SUCH, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT BEEN PAYING, UH, LOCAL HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES. STAFF INQUIRED WITH THE WAXAHATCHEE POLICE DEPARTMENT DISCOVERED NO NUISANCE RELATED CALLS FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ITS CURRENT USE IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS. IT MUST BE SAID THAT THE APPLICANT'S EMERGENCY CONTACT IS CURRENTLY RESIDING ON LOCATION 8 6 5 CANTRELL STREET. HOWEVER, THE EMERGENCY CONTACT WILL BE RESIDING IN THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE HOME, WHICH CONSISTS OF ONE BEDROOM AND ONE BATHROOM. THIS, THE AREA IN WHICH THE EMERGENCY CONTRACT CONTACT WILL RESIDE IS SEPARATE AND SEPARATED FROM THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AS DEMONSTRATED ON THE APPLICANT'S FLOOR. PLAN FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT, YOU HAVE RECEIVED A FLOOR PLAN, A SURVEY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AS WELL AS A COPY OF THE HOST RULES FOR YOUR REFERENCE TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW. THREE SEVEN NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE TIME SINCE THE AGENDA HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, STAFF HAS RECEIVED ZERO LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND ZERO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FOR THIS SUP REQUEST. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED TWO MOTIONS REGARDING THIS ITEM LOCATED IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT. UH, SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT AND I ARE HERE. THANK YOU CALEB. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? DO WE HAVE A DENSITY MAP OF ANY OTHER, DOES THAT HAVE A DENSITY MAP? THERE ARE NONE IN THIS, UH, LOCAL AREA. UM, EVEN RELATIVELY CLOSE HERE. CLOSEST IS GONNA BE CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN REALLY BEFORE YOU START GETTING INTO THE SUP OR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND UP ON THE HILL. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE A CLARIFICATION. YES. QUESTION FROM WHAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT UNDER THE RECOMMENDATION UNDER THE CONDITIONS NUMBER FOUR LIST. LEMME GET THIS BACK UP HERE, UM, ALLOW A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF EIGHT, BUT IN PERENS IT SAYS SIX GUEST PER STAY. AND THEN NUMBER FIVE, IT SAYS A MAXIMUM OF THREE, AND THEN THE NUMBER TWO PERRIN OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES. JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, I THINK THOSE NEED TO BE CLARIFIED. YES, SIR. SO THE, THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY WOULD BE SIX AND THE, UH, MAXIMUM, UH, PARKING IS TWO, UH, FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE? IS THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HOME STATED? UH, I BELIEVE IT IS. AND, UH, THAT'S A CONDITION NOTED, UM, IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE THAT DURING THIS PROCESS WE HAVE HAD ANYONE WHO HAS CONTINUED TO LIVE INTO THE HOUSE. WE'VE HAD ONE. OKAY. I JUST HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION BECAUSE THE PORTION THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA KEEP LIVING IN DOESN'T HAVE A KITCHEN OR ANYTHING. SO HOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS AS A RESIDENCE. AND I WILL, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, I'LL DEFER TO THEM. OKAY. UH, TO CLARIFY IT. THANK, I'M SORRY. YES, MA'AM. THEY'LL GO TO SPROUTS, . YEAH, I GUESS THEY'LL . UM, GOING BACK TO THE, TO ABOUT THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, UM, DID YOU SAY THAT IT IS PART OF THE CONDITIONS ON THIS? 'CAUSE I'M NOT SEEING IT ON THERE UNLESS I'M JUST OVERLOOKING IT. I APOLOGIZE IF I AM. LET'S, AND I, I CAN COMMENT [00:10:01] HERE SO THAT THAT IS COVERED. UM, STRICTLY SPEAKING, UNDER, UNDER NUMBER SIX, THEY, THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE TYPICAL REGULATIONS. SO WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT CLEARER IS FOR THE UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETING, POP OUT A SPECIFIC CONDITION THAT JUST OUTLINES THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE OF STAFF? THANK YOU, CALEB. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I'M, YES SIR. DO YOU MIND GIVING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? MY NAME IS DUSTIN MICHAEL WEBER. I AM THE EMERGENCY CONTACT, UH, UH, STAYING ON PROPERTY. AND THE ADDRESS IS 8 6 5 KENTRELL STREET. SO Y'ALL, YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE LIVING THERE? YES. WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN JULY, WE ADDED A WALL TO SEPARATE THE, THE FULL HOUSE INTO A TWO, UH, TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH ON ONE SIDE, AND THEN A ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH ON THE OTHER SIDE ATTACHED TO THE GARAGE. SO THERE'S NO CONTACT IN BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES OF THE HOUSE. I STAY ON THE SMALLER SIDE IN REGARDS TO THE QUESTION WITH NO KITCHEN, I WAS A PEACE CORPS VOLUNTEER IN THE KINGDOM OF CAMBODIA IN A VILLAGE CALLED . AND I HAVE LEARNED TO LIVE WITH A LOT LESS THAN THAT. . WELL, YEAH, THIS IS LUXURY FOR YOU, ISN'T IT? ? RUNNING WATER IS NICE. YOU A LITTLE STERNO STONE. INDOOR PLUMBING IS NICE. . YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. OF COURSE. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? THANKS SIR. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CAN SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. [8. Consider recommendation of ZDC-54-2025] MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZDC DASH 54 DASH 2025, USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL USE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND OUR MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM [9. Public Hearing on a request by Mark McReynolds for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) for an Accessory Dwelling Unit use within a Single Family-2 (SF-2) zoning district located at 218 University Avenue (Property ID 176327) - Owner: Mark McReynolds & Janet McReynolds (ZDC-58-2025)] PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY MARK MCREYNOLDS. FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT USE WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY TWO ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT TWO 18 UNIVERSITY AVENUE. PROPERTY ID 1 7 6 3 2 7. OWNER MARK MCREYNOLDS AND JANET REYNOLDS, ZDC DASH 58 DASH 2025. OKAY, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. TONIGHT I'M PRESENTING ZDC 58 DASH 2025. FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUESTS FOR NECESSITY DWELLING UNIT LOCATED AT TWO 18 UNIVERSITY AVENUE. CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TWO. WITH THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE BEING CURRENTLY USED AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WHILE SITTING ON 0.344 ACRES. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S OPERATIONAL PLAN, THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 1058 SQUARE FEET. THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, THE PRIMARY HOME AT TWO 18 UNIVERSITY AVENUE AND MEETS THE MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHIN AN SF TWO ZONING DISTRICT IF APPROVED, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE EXISTING HOME AND THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S FLOOR PLAN, THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WILL INCLUDE ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATHROOM, A WASHER DRYER CONNECTION, A FULL KITCHEN, A DEN, AND AN OPEN LIVING AREA. A PORCH WILL ALSO BE INCLUDED AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. ACCESSIBLE DOORS WILL BE ALSO INCLUDED. UM, ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF WILL BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE DRIVEWAY FACING UNIVERSITY AVENUE AND THE DRIVEWAY FACING WEST ROSS STREET. ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED A DU WILL NOT HAVE A GARAGE AND WILL UTILIZE THE EXISTING IMPROVED SERVICES AS ALL STREET PARKING ON THE PROPERTY THERE EXISTS AN OLD CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 1920S, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT PROBABLY SERVED AS A SERVANT'S QUARTERS FOR THE OWNERS THAT LIVED AT THE LOCATION AT THE TIME. THIS CARRIAGE HOUSE CURRENTLY EXISTS IN THE SAME LOCATION IN WHICH THE PROPOSED A DU WILL BE PLACED. ADDITIONALLY, THIS EXISTING CARRIAGE HOUSE WAS BUILT WITHOUT A FOUNDATION AND HAS SINCE DETERIORATED SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE POINT WHERE THE APPLICANT HAS DEEMED THE STRUCTURE UNSALABLE. THE APPLICANT PROPOSED PROPOSES TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING CARRIAGE HOUSE AND WILL UTILIZE THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING AND SHIPLAP MATERIAL AT THE UPPER FLOOR FROM THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AS A MATERIAL FOR THE PROPOSED. A DU SIDING THAT CANNOT BE USED FROM THE EXISTING CARRIAGE HOUSE WILL BE SUPPLEMENTED WITH A SIMILAR PATTERN, 1 1 8 SIDING WITH THE GOAL OF HAVING THE A DU MATCH, THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE AT TWO 18 UNIVERSITY. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S OPERATIONAL PLAN, THE PROPOSED A DU WILL BE TIED DIRECTLY INTO THE MAIN HOUSE AND NOT SEPARATELY METERED. [00:15:01] THE A DU WILL NOT BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES, WILL NOT BE LEASED OR SOLD SEPARATELY FROM THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE WITH THE ONLY OCCUPANCIES BEING FAMILY MEMBERS AND NON-PAYING GUESTS. IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE RECEIVED A FLOOR PLAN, A SIDE PLAN, ELEVATION FACADE PLAN, AND A COPY OF THE APPLICANT'S OPERATIONAL PLAN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW. 19 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE TIME SINCE THE AGENDA HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, THE PHE HAS RECEIVED SIX LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND ZERO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, UH, FOR THIS SUP REQUEST. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF HAS DETAILED THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN WHICH THE APPLICANT ADHERE TO AND RESOLVED. WE RECOMMEND A MOTION OF APPROVAL FOR THIS ITEM. SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT AND I ARE HERE TO ANSWER THEM IF NEEDED. THANK YOU, CALEB. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? UH, THE ONLY, UH, THERE'S STILL JUST ONE METER, ELECTRIC WATER, ALL THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU CALEB. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. MY NAME'S MARK MCREYNOLDS AND MY WIFE JANET. WE LIVE AT TWO 18 UNIVERSITY AVE. AND HE PRETTY MUCH ANSWERED EVERYTHING, BUT, UM, WE MOVED HERE IN JULY, BOUGHT THIS HOUSE AND WE'RE, WE'RE FIXING IT UP AND MY PARENTS CAME FOR A VISIT AND DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE TO WA ICHE TOO, AND SO WAS WHO WASN'T. YEAH, RIGHT. SO, UH, THAT'S A GREAT HOUSE. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT HOUSE. IT'S, IT NEEDED SOME TLC. WE LOVE IT AND WE'RE GIVING IT AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S QUITE REMARKABLE THE JOURNEY SO FAR. BUT, UM, I'M A HOME DESIGNER AND SO THE DRAWINGS ARE MINE. I, I MEASURED MY HOUSE, DREW IT, UH, TO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE, LIKE THE MAIN STRUCTURE SO IT, IT WON'T, YOU KNOW, LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT JUST PLOPPED DOWN FROM OUTER SPACE. BUT ANYWAYS, LIKE I SAID, MY PARENTS ARE WANTING TO MOVE IN AND IT'S, THIS IS FOR THEM. THEY'RE BUILDING THIS AND, UH, WE'RE JUST HOSTING THEM ON THE PROPERTY. SO, UH, I I CHECKED YOUR WEBSITE AND YOU DO SOME WORK, SOME KIND OF OLD HOUSE RENOVATION WORK IN MCKINNEY, I GUESS. AND WE MOVED HERE FROM MCGEENEY MCKINNEY. I, UH, I'VE BEEN DESIGNING HOUSES FOR 33 YEARS AND I'VE PROBABLY DONE PROBABLY 130 PROJECTS IN HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. SO I'VE BEEN PRETTY FORTUNATE. YEAH. AND IF, IF, IF YOU COULD'VE SAVED IT, YOU, YOU WOULD'VE SAVED IT PROBABLY WOULD. OH, THE STRUCTURE. ABSOLUTELY. IT, UM, IT WAS LIKE HE SAID, WELL, TECHNICALLY THERE IS A FOUNDATION. IT'S ABOUT THAT THICK, BUT IT, THERE'S NO, UH, NO REBAR, NOTHING SUPPORTING IT. IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY CAVED IN ON ITSELF AND THE SIDEWALLS THAT HAVE DROPPED DOWN AND, AND THE FLOOR JOISTS OH MY GOD. BASICALLY LOOKED LIKE A UPSIDE DOWN HORSESHOE. YEAH. SO I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE SAVED IT AND, UM, BUT MAN MAKES PLANS. RIGHT. SO HERE WE GO. AND THERE'S, THERE'S AT LEAST A COUPLE. SO I GUESS YOU'RE, YOU'RE KEEPING AT LEAST ONE OF THE OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND I THINK ONE OF THEM HAS SINCE BEEN TAKEN AWAY, HADN'T IT? OR? WELL, THERE WAS A LITTLE SHACK ON THE, ON THE SIDE. IT WAS FALLING IN ON ITSELF. IT WAS A LITTLE WOODEN COTTAGEY. IT WAS, IT WAS BASICALLY, IT WAS A THIRD BATHROOM. UM, AT ONE POINT, THIS, THIS HOUSE USED TO BE, UH, OWNED BY, UM, UH, SHERIFF MCCULLUM. HE AND HIS WIFE LIVED THERE FOR 50 YEARS UNTIL THEY, UH, PASSED AWAY AND THEY BUILT A LITTLE JACUZZI AND THEY BUILT THAT LITTLE BUILDING AND IT JUST, UM, IT WAS ROTTEN. YEAH. WHEN WE MOVED IN THE OTHER BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE IT JUST TAGGED THERE ON THE SIDE OF IT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY A METAL CARPORT. UM, IT'S PRETTY DURABLE. AND THEN THE PREVIOUS OWNERS RIGHT BEFORE US, THEY, UH, THEY UH, JUST BASICALLY PUT UH, METAL PANELING ON THE SIDE AND TURNED IT INTO A, INTO A SHOP. SO IT'S GREAT FOR STORAGE. UM, BUT I THINK A DRIVEWAY WAS ADDRESSED AND THAT'S CORRECT. THE, THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF, YOU COULD SEE IT ON THE SITE PLAN ACTUALLY STRETCHES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. AND, UM, SO THERE'S DEFINITELY PLENTY OF PARKING. JUST, WE JUST WISH WE HAD A GARAGE, BUT THAT WASN'T GONNA BE EITHER, SO. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. I JUST A, A COMMENT PLEASE. UH, MR. MCREYNOLDS, UM, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR ALL THE EFFORT YOU'RE MAKING TO RE UH, REPURPOSE THE MATERIAL AND MAKING IT LOOK RIGHT. I'M ON THE BOARD OF HISTORIC WALKS OF HATCHIE AND THE COUNCIL LIAISON FOR HERITAGE PRESERVATION. GOTCHA. AND I TELL YOU, IT, IT MEANS A LOT TO THOSE GROUPS AND MM-HMM . EVEN THOSE THAT AREN'T IN THOSE GROUPS THAT YOU'RE DOING STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORT. I KNOW IT'D BE A LOT EASIER TO, TO NOT UTILIZE THE MATERIAL OR DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOU BET FOR DOING THAT. SEEMS LIKE A, I MEAN, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, UNTIL WE START TAKING BOARDS DOWN, I MEAN, THE, THE SIDING LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN DECENT MATERIAL. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE SHIPLAP WALLS THAT WEREN'T REMOVED, UM, [00:20:01] UPSTAIRS, THE SHIPLAP IN BEAUTIFUL SHAPE, IT'S THE FLOOR AND THE FOUNDATION THAT'S JUST, IT CAN'T SURVIVE. I HAD TO HAVE IT STABILIZED. MM-HMM. SO IT WOULDN'T FALL OVER. UH, BUT YEAH, WE'LL USE AS MUCH OF THE SIDING AS WE CAN AND, AND LUCKILY YOU CAN GET PATTERN ONE 18 SIDING AT, AT, YOU KNOW, MOST LUMBER YARDS COIS CARRY. YEAH, I'VE USED THAT. SO, SO YEAH, REPLACE WHAT WE CAN'T, BUT JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. YEAH. CONGRATULATIONS. IF YOU MAKE EYE CONTACT, YOU'LL BE THE NEXT MEMBER OF . THESE OTHER LOOK DOWN, THAT WAS, I'M JUST ULTERIOR MODE. I'VE BEEN HERE 25 YEARS. KEEP LOOKING DOWN WHAT I'M SAYING. I WAS GONNA LEAVE EARLY AND QUARTER IN THE PARKING LOT. I'VE ALREADY SIGNED A CHECK FOR MY MEMBERSHIP, SO. RIGHT, EXACTLY. WE ALWAYS TAKE ADDITIONAL VOLUNTEERS. YOU 2000 I PUT IN FOR IT. I SAID I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. NO TEARS, TOLLS. ARE WE READY, RICK? THANK YOU MR. MCREYNOLDS. APPRECIATE THANK, THANK YOU. YES. THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. CHAIR. OH, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, [10. Consider recommendation of ZDC-58-2025] CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZDC DASH 58 DASH 2025. A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THE STAFF REPORT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT [11. Public Hearing on a request by Lexi Cassels, Kimley-Horn, for a Zoning Change from a Commercial (C) zoning district to Planned Development-Multi-Family-2 and Planned Development-Commercial (PD-MF-2 & PD-C) zoning district, for a mixed-use development, located directly east of 2050 Conquest Boulevard, (Property ID 191630 & 191636) - Owner: B&T Realty Services Inc (ZDC-91-2024)] ITEM IS PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY LEXIE CAEL KIMLEY HORN FOR ZONING CHANGE FROM A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT MULTI-FAMILY TWO AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT WHERE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT LOCATED DIRECTLY EAST OF 2050 CONQUEST BOULEVARD. PROPERTY ID 1 9 1 6 3 0 1 9 1 6 3 6. OWNER B AND T REALTY SERVICES, INC. ZDC DASH 91 DASH 2024. ZACH, YOU GOT THIS ONE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. AS YOU MENTIONED, AGENDA MINE 11 FOR ZDC 91. 2024 IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUEST FOR MIXED USE, HORIZONTAL MIXED USE, UH, FOR MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL BASED ZONING DISTRICTS. UH, SPECIFICALLY THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT DEVELOPMENT WITH A COUPLE COMMERCIAL TRACKS RESERVED. THE EXISTING PROPERTY IS A LITTLE OVER 49 ACRES AND SIZE ALONG HIGHWAY 2 87 HERE BETWEEN THE MARK ON CONQUEST APARTMENTS AND THE, UH, BATES DRIVE, WHICH YOU MAY REMEMBER FROM A FEW MONTHS AGO, THE RECENTLY APPROVED HIGHLANDS AT BATES DRIVE PROJECT THAT MR. SINGLETON IS DOING. SO THAT FLANKS THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW. SO GETTING INTO A FEW DETAILS ON THE PROJECT HERE. THIS SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT STYLE IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION AND AND CITY COUNCIL HASN'T DIRECTLY SEEN BEFORE. UH, IT, IT IS NEW TO WAXAHATCHEE. IT IT IS MULTIFAMILY IN THE SENSE, UH, THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS ON A SINGLE WA IN THIS CASE, THERE IS GONNA BE A MAXIMUM OF 300 DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED ACROSS 165 STRUCTURES. WE'LL GET INTO IN A MOMENT HOW THAT'S BROKEN DOWN, BUT THERE ARE, UH, TWO 3.7 ACRES, SO ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES OF COMMERCIAL, UH, TRACKS RESERVED, WHICH WE'LL SEE IN THE SITE PLAN ALONG THE HIGHWAY 2 87 FRONTAGE. AND I WILL NOTE THAT THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, UH, ALONG THE CREEK HERE, UH, THAT CROSSES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, SEPARATING IT BETWEEN THE WEST AND EAST SIDES OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S RESERVED, UH, OR PROPOSED TO BE RESERVED IN ITS NATURAL STATE. UH, SO NOT ALL OF THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED AS THE MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT STYLE DEVELOPMENT. I MENTIONED THERE'S 165 STRUCTURES THAT PROVIDE THESE 300 DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED. UH, IT IS UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT THAT'S A LOT OF STRUCTURES FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, BUT, BUT THE SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT STYLE IS INTENDED TO BE MORE AKIN TO YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAN WHAT YOU MAY THINK OF THE GARDEN STYLE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. SO THE SITE PLAN YOU SEE HERE REPRESENTS THAT THEY HAVE THREE DISTINCT PRODUCT TYPES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, YOU CAN SEE REPRESENTED IN THE DIFFERENT COLORS HERE. UH, THE BLUE THAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN IS THE ONE UNIT PRODUCT TYPED REALLY THAT TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY STYLE STRUCTURE, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH. THE ORANGE OR OR DARKER TAN COLOR THAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE DUPLEX STYLE UNIT. AND FINALLY, THE LIGHTER, UH, YELLOW OR TAN COLOR IS GONNA BE THE TOWN HOME STYLE UNIT. UH, THAT TOWN HOME STYLE UNIT IS GONNA INCLUDE, UH, BETWEEN THREE AND SIX UNITS PER STRUCTURE, UH, UH, VARYING BASED ON THE LOCATION HERE. UH, THERE'S A FEW IMPORTANT THINGS TO POINT OUT HERE THAT I'LL GO THROUGH ON THE SITE PLAN BEFORE WE CONTINUE. ONE IS THAT YOU'LL SEE THOSE COMMERCIAL TRACKS UP FRONT HERE. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET HERE THAT RESTRICT THE POTENTIAL USES FOR THIS COMMERCIAL AREA TO THOSE THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOWER DENSITY, MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY RESIDENTIAL TRACK IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT. THE SITE IS DESIGNED TO BE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PLAZAS HERE THAT [00:25:01] ARE PROPOSED ADJACENT TO THAT COMMERCIAL TRACK. SO IT REALLY IS GEARED TOWARDS, UH, MORE OF A RETAIL SETTING THAN, THAN A SOME OF THE USES THAT MAY BE PERMITTED IN THE COMMERCIAL. TRACK. ACCESS IS ANOTHER BIG ITEM THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED, UH, DILIGENTLY WITH STAFF ON FOR ABOUT A YEAR. UH, STAFF BEING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, OUR ENGINEERING TEAM, AS WELL AS THE FIRE MARSHAL IN IN PARTICULAR. SO THERE ARE FOUR ACCESS POINTS PROPOSED ALONG HIGHWAY 2 87 THAT PROVIDE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE SITE ONE FOR THIS WESTERN TRACK HERE AND THREE FOR THE EASTERN PRIMARY TRACT. THOSE ACCESS POINTS ARE SUFFICIENT IN THEIR OWN RIGHT TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE SITE MEETING THE FIRE MARSHAL STANDARD, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ACCESS PROPOSED FOR THE SITE. THERE. THERE IS A ACCESS TO THE EAST THAT IS PROPOSED TO TIE IN TO A MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT APPROVED FOR THE HIGHLANDS AT BATES DRIVE DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST. SO THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS, ALLOWING THE RESIDENTS TO REACH THE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL TRACKS RESPECTIVELY WITHOUT HAVING TO GET ON THE HIGHWAY. THERE'S TWO CONNECTIONS ALSO PROPOSED TO THE FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY OF BOULDER LANE TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE. THESE CONNECTIONS, ONE ON EACH, UH, SIDE OF THE CREEK ARE FUTURE CONNECTIONS. THEY WON'T BE THERE IMMEDIATELY AS THEY DO, UH, REQUIRE BOULDER LANE TO ACTUALLY BE EXTENDED AND CONSTRUCTED. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS PROPOSED IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE. IT'S PROPOSED TO BE EXTENDED AS PART OF THE RIDGE CROSSING PHASE TWO DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE SUBDIVISION SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY HERE. UH, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL OCCUR IN THEIR PHASE TWO. THEY HAVEN'T STARTED THAT JUST YET. BEYOND THE ACCESS FOR THE SITE, THE INTERNAL DRIVES, UH, I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE SITE IS PROPOSED TO TO BE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. THERE'S A FEW WAYS THEY DO THAT. AND PRIMARILY IT'S BY PRESERVING AND PROPOSING, UH, SIDEWALKS ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO TIE IN TO SOME OF THESE OPEN SPACES AND AMENITY SPACES THAT ARE DOTTED THROUGHOUT. AND THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT IN A FEW WAYS. UH, THE PRIMARY WAY IS BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF GARAGES THAT, UH, ARE DIRECTLY ACCESSIBLE OFF OF THESE PRIMARY DRIVE ISLES. SO EVERY UNIT HERE HAS AN ATTACHED GARAGE THAT'S SOMETHING MULTIFAMILY, TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY PRODUCTS STRUGGLE TO AVOID. UH, EVERY STRUCTURE HERE HAS A TWO CAR GARAGE WITH EXCEPTION OF THE SMALLEST RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UH, 19 OF WHICH HAVE JUST A ONE CAR GARAGE. SO THE APPLICANT HAS VASTLY EXCEEDED THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE SITE. I'M GONNA SWITCH GEARS TO A TABLE HERE JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT PARKING RATIO. SO TRADITIONALLY 323 ATTACHED GARAGES WOULD BE REQUIRED. THEY'VE MANAGED TO PROVIDE 548 ATTACHED GARAGES AND EXCEED THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE SITE, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL. THE PARKING FOR THE SITE, THERE'S NO HEAD END PARKING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A COUPLE SPACES ALONG THE, UH, OPEN AREA, UH, ALONG THE CREEK. ALL PARKING, UH, THAT IS NOT AN ATTACHED GARAGE IS SITUATED ALONG A PRIMARY DRIVE AISLE INTERNAL TO THE SITE. AND IT'S A PARALLEL SPACE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T INTERRUPT, UH, THE, THE, UH, SIDEWALKS THAT ARE PROPOSED THROUGHOUT THE SITE. SWITCHING BACK TO ZACH, I'M SO SORRY, I DON'T WANNA FORGET TO ASK THIS QUESTION WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE SPACES. SURE. BUT IF THERE ARE 300 UNITS, HOW ARE THERE 548 GARAGES, GARAGE SPACES? SO SPACES THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY. YEAH, SO, OKAY. PERFECT. MOST, THE VAST MAJORITY OF USES HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES, SO IT, UH, INCREASES THAT NUMBER SIGNIFICANTLY. ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO ALL OF THE STRUCTURES ARE REAR ENTRY. ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE VIA THESE ALLEYS THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, WHICH MEANS ALL UNITS ARE GONNA FRONT ALONG A PRIMARY DRIVE AISLE OR ALONG AN INTERIOR, UH, PASS A SIDEWALK THAT EXTENDS A A WALKABLE LANDSCAPE AREA THROUGHOUT THE SITE HERE. THERE'S A FEW KEY AMENITIES TO POINT OUT AS WELL. THIS CENTRAL AMENITY TRACT IS GONNA BE, UH, HAVING A, UH, VILLAGE GREEN ON IT. IT WILL HAVE A CLUBHOUSE, A LEASING CENTER, A POOL WITH CABANAS, UH, AS WELL AS A TOT LOT THAT'S PRESENT THROUGHOUT THE SITE. I MENTIONED A FEW OF THE KEY OPEN SPACES THAT WILL REMAIN JUST THAT OPEN SPACES, BUT ALONG THE CREEK AREA THERE IS A DOG PARK PROPOSED AS WELL AS SOME NATURAL TRAILS TO INTEGRATE THE TWO SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. ALONG THIS, UH, PRESERVED GREEN SPACE ALONG THE CREEK, THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A A DISC GOLF AMENITY AS WELL. BEFORE MOVING ON FROM THE SITE PLAN, THERE'S ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO WALK THROUGH IN DETAIL AND THAT IS, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN UNIT TYPES HERE. UH, WHEN WE HAVE THIS MANY STRUCTURES ON A PROPERTY, UH, ESPECIALLY A MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY, THAT CONCERN BECOMES MONOTONY. UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THE APPLICANT BEYOND JUST PROVIDING A FEW DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES, HAS PROPOSED TO VARY THE HEIGHT OF THE DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES ALONG THIS PRIMARY DRIVE VILE. SO MIXING IN SOME ONE STORY ALONG WITH THE TWO STORY STRUCTURES HERE HELPS BREAK UP THE FACADE HERE. THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED SOME SUBTLE, UH, CURVE LINEAR STREETS IN HERE, SO IT'S NOT JUST A STRAIGHT SHOT ALONG THE DEVELOPMENT HERE TO HELP BREAK UP THE SITE LINE SO YOU'RE NOT JUST LOOKING DOWN A BIG LONG STRETCH OF INTERIOR DRIVE [00:30:01] AISLE HERE. AND FINALLY, WHEN WE GET INTO THE ELEVATION AND FACADE PLAN IN JUST A MOMENT, WE'LL SEE THAT BEYOND JUST THE DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES, THEY DO HAVE SEVERAL DISTINCT STYLES FOR EACH UNIT TYPE THAT ARE PROPOSED ACROSS THE DEVELOPMENT HERE. I'LL GO THROUGH HERE BRIEFLY. THESE ARE JUST A ZOOMED IN LOOK AT THE, UH, SITE PLANS FOR A COUPLE OF PODS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS ISN'T THE CONDITION FOR ALL SINGLE FAMILY, UH, UNITS OR ONE UNIT PRODUCTS, BUT IT GIVES YOU A GLIMPSE OF HOW THEY INDIVIDUAL PODS MAY WORK WITH SOME PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THE PRIMARY DRY VILE WITH SLIP ALLEYS THAT ALLOW ACCESS DIRECTLY TO THE GARAGE. WHILE ALL UNITS ARE ALLOWED TO FRONT ON THESE EO GREEN SPACES IN FRONT, THEY PROVIDED THIS DETAIL FOR EACH PRODUCT TYPE HERE WITH JUST SOME INDIVIDUAL PODS PULLED OUT FOR REFERENCE HERE. THESE DETAIL, THIS PARTICULAR SETBACKS BETWEEN EACH STRUCTURE AND EACH PRODUCT TYPE AS WELL. EACH TYPE IS PROPOSED TO HAVE AT LEAST A SMALL, UH, PRIVATE YARD OR PORCH ACCESSIBLE TO THE RESIDENCE HERE. GETTING INTO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN OVERALL, THE APPLICANT HAS MET THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE. I'LL NOTE THEY'VE SPECIFICALLY MASKED LANDSCAPING ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE PRIMARY INTERIOR DRY VIALS TO TRY AND PROVIDE A GOOD CANOPY, UH, FOR THE SITE HERE INDIVIDUALLY, THEY HAVE PROVIDED LANDSCAPE PLANS SIMILAR TO THE SITE PLAN EXAMPLES WE JUST LOOKED AT FOR EACH POD, EACH UNIT TYPE, UH, THAT IDENTIFY THE INDIVIDUAL LANDSCAPING FOR EACH TYPE OF UNIT HERE, THIS IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, SO I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH ONE IN DETAIL. A COUPLE THINGS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT BEFORE MOVING ON FROM THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS THIS DARK GRAY AREA. HERE IS THE AREA ALONG THE CREEK IN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING TREES IN THE AREA. SO NOT CLEAR CUT THE SITE. THE ONLY TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED HERE ARE THOSE THAT MAY BE DEAD ALREADY OR JUST NEED TO BE MOVED TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE NATURAL TRAILS AND AND DISC GOLF AREAS. AND FINALLY THIS PAGE YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED SCREENING FOR THE SITE ADJACENT TO INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS FOR THE RIDGE CROSSING PHASE ONE. THERE ARE JUST A FEW OF THOSE THEY IMMEDIATELY, UH, BORDER. THEY ARE PROPOSING A SIX FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THAT PROPOSED FOR THE HIGHLIGHTS AT BATES DRIVE, UH, DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST. AND THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE WAXAHATCHEE ZONING ORDINANCE. THE REMAINDER OF THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, EASTERN PROPERTY LINE AND NORTH ALONG HIGHWAY 2 87 IS AN ORNAMENTAL METAL FENCE WITH REGULARLY SPACED MASONRY COLUMNS. THAT IS ALSO MATCHING THE ORNAMENTAL FENCE THAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE HIGHLANDS AT BATES DRIVE TO THE WEST. THEY ARE PROPOSING A SIX FOOT WOOD BOARD ON BOARD PRIVACY FENCE ADJACENT TO THE MARK ON CONQUEST. MOVING FORWARD IN YOUR PACKET, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A NUMBER OF RENDERINGS AND ELEVATIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER HERE. THIS IS JUST ONE, UH, LOOK AT, AT THAT EXTENSIVE ELEVATION PACKET FOR THE DUPLEX PRODUCT ALONG THE MAIN DRIVE HERE. I WANTED TO PULL THIS OUT SPECIFICALLY TO IDENTIFY FOR YOU THE VARYING HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE. THE TWO STORY VERSUS ONE STORY THAT ARE PROPOSED ALONG THAT PRIMARY DRIVE TO HELP BREAK UP THE MONOTONY OF THE DESIGN. THIS IS A GOOD, UH, SNAPSHOT AS WELL OF THE VARYING ELEVATION AND FACADE DESIGNS AND COLOR PALETTES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT ELEVATION AND FACADE PACKET. BEYOND JUST THE INDIVIDUAL STYLES FOR THE STRUCTURES, THEY DO PROVIDE, UH, SIX DISTINCT COLOR PALETTES THAT ARE PROPOSED THROUGHOUT THE SITE THAT WHILE COMPLIMENTARY HELP BREAK UP THE MONOTONY AS WELL. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER LOOK AT SOME OF THE TYPICAL ELEVATION FACADE PLANS FOR THESE UNITS. THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, A DUPLEX UNIT WITH A ONE STORY AND TWO STORY UNIT ATTACHED BOTH WITH ATTACHED GARAGES. FINAL THING I'LL POINT OUT FOR THIS IS ALL THE STRUCTURES ARE PROPOSING TO UTILIZE COMBINATION OF BRICK AND HARDY PLANK SIDING FOR THE ELEVATION FACADE MATERIAL. AND FINALLY HERE, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE IN THE EARLY STAGE OF THE PRODUCT A FEW BIRD'S EYE RENDERINGS, UH, FOR YOU TO GET A SENSE OF THE, THE SCALE AND THE MASSING OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS ACROSS FROM HIGHWAY 2 87 HERE WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE COMMERCIAL TRACKS UP FRONT. THOSE ARE NOT DIRECT RENDERINGS OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT JUST THERE FOR AN EXAMPLE. AND THIS IS A RENDERING, UH, FROM THE MARK ON CONQUEST. SO FROM THE WEST OF THE SITE, YOU WILL NOTE THERE'S A FEW INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE FINAL SITE PLAN JUST BECAUSE THESE RENDERINGS WERE DEVELOPED AT THE EARLY STAGE OF THE PROCESS, BUT THEY STILL GIVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF OF THE PROPOSAL HERE. FROM A BIRD'S EYE VIEW, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A PHASING PLAN. SO PHASE ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT YOU CAN SEE HERE IN RED PHASE ONE DOES INCLUDE OVER A HUNDRED UNITS. 103 UNITS, UH, WOULD BE INCLUDED HERE. AND IT DOES INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION OF ALL THREE DRY VIALS FOR THE EASTERN TRACK ALONG HIGHWAY 2 87 TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE APPROPRIATE ACCESS. PHASE ONE A IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE AMENITY TRACK AND BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT [00:35:01] STANDARDS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO BE COMPLETED. THAT AMENITY TRACK PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FINAL CO FOR THE FINAL BUILDING, UH, ON PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO INCLUDES ANOTHER 122 UNITS ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. PHASE THREE WOULD INCLUDE THE REMAINDER OF THE UNITS ON THE FAR WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE COMMERCIAL TRACK BEING LISTED AS FUTURE, THE APPLICANT HAS NO CURRENT PLANS TO DEVELOP ANY OF THOSE FUTURE TRACKS. THEY ARE ANTICIPATING THAT TO BE THE LAST PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR THE REQUEST. AND WITH ALL THIS IN MIND, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE PROPOSAL AND THE APPLICANT'S HERE TONIGHT FOR YOU AS WELL. THANK YOU. ZACH, Y'ALL BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A YEAR? ABOUT A YEAR? YES SIR. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. UH, SINCE THESE ARE ARE RENTAL, UH, IS THERE GONNA BE ANYTHING LIKE AN HOA, UH, NOT LIKE AN HOA, BUT UH, A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, UH, COMPANY WOULD, WOULD MANAGE THE SITE SIMILAR TO ANY, UH, TRADITIONAL APARTMENT COMPLEX? RIGHT. SO, UH, IT IT WILL BE MANAGED BY A SINGLE ENTITY THAT WOULD MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPING AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY IN GENERAL. SO THEY WILL DO ALL THE YARDS. UH, YES, SIR. SO IT'LL LOOK THE SAME. YES, SIR. SO THE INDIVIDUAL TENANTS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR INDIVIDUAL MAINTENANCE OF ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE NORMAL MAINTENANCE OF THE INTERIOR OF THEIR UNITS. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. ANYONE ELSE? I I HAVE A LOT OF LOGISTICAL QUESTIONS JUST BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. SO, UM, HOW DOES IT WORK AS FAR AS THINGS LIKE STREET ADDRESSES ARE, ARE ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUAL STREETS IN HERE OR IS IT ONE ADDRESS AND THEN A UNIT NUMBER? YEAH, SO THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO THESE ARE NOT PUBLIC STREETS THAT, OKAY. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND. SO THESE ARE PRIVATE STREETS, INTERIOR TO THE SITE, SIMILAR TO HOW YOU'D HAVE PRIVATE DRIVE AISLES LOOPING THROUGH A TRADITIONAL MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SO THE TRADITIONAL WAY TO ADDRESS THESE, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE WILL WORK THROUGH WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE LOCAL 9 1 1 ADDRESSING ENTITIES, UH, IN, IN THE CITY IN THE COUNTY, IS TO ASSIGN A SINGLE ADDRESS, PRIMARY ADDRESS FOR THE SITE WITH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING OR UNIT, UH, NUMBERS FOR EACH SITE HERE, WITH THIS BEING THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT OF ITS TYPE IN WAXAHATCHEE, UH, IT, WE WOULD NEED TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE IT'S EXACTLY THE WAY THEY NEED IT TO BE FOR APPROPRIATE EMERGENCY RESPONSE. SO THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I KNOW THAT TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY, UM, HOUSING UNITS TEND TO HAVE A LOWER, UM, NUMBER OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES, UM, AS THEY'RE NEWER AND THEN AS THEY AGE, MORE CHILDREN TYPICALLY MOVE INTO THEM. UM, BUT I ASSUME BECAUSE OF THE STYLE OF THESE UNITS, YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF FAMILIES IMMEDIATELY. SO HAVE Y'ALL, UM, CONSULTED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO SEE WHAT IMPACT THIS WOULD HAVE ON THE DISTRICT? YEAH, SO YOU, YOU'RE CORRECT. THE, AND, AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THEIR SPECIFIC TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC, BUT THE INCLUSION OF THE, THIS SINGLE FAMILY STYLE IS TARGETED TOWARDS, UH, FAMILIES, RIGHT? UH, FOLKS THAT ARE JUST STARTING OUT THAT MAYBE ARE IN BETWEEN A, A TRADITIONAL APARTMENT COMPLEX AND PURCHASING THEIR FIRST HOME. SO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC. THE BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE OF THE LARGER UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE, THERE ARE MORE THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS THAT ARE THAN ARE TYPICALLY SEEN WITH A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S A CONCERN STAFF, UH, IDENTIFIED FOR THE APPLICANT AND, AND SOMETHING THEY REQUESTED TO PUSH THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S THEIR, THEIR TARGET. THEY ARE TARGETING THOSE, THOSE LARGER FAMILIES HERE. SO I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED THROUGH, UH, THE MARKET STUDY AS, AS WELL AS CONTEMPLATED POTENTIAL IMPACTS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE. AND, UH, I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO THEM WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE READY TO HEAR FROM THEM ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS FOR THAT DEMOGRAPHIC. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ZACH? ALL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY IS GONNA BE ON ONE PLATTED LOT. SO THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TWO COMMERCIAL TRACKS, IS PROPOSED ON A SINGLE LOT. OKAY. UM, WHICH MEANS ALL THE UNIT TYPES, UH, ALL 300 DWELLING UNITS ARE PROPOSED ON ONE LOT. YEAH, THAT'S, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I FIGURED, BUT THE COMMERCIAL SITES CAN BE THEN SUBDIVIDED INTO MULTIPLE LOTS, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES, SIR. IS THERE SOME REASON IN THIS, AND I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE SOME REASON THAT THAT IS COMMERCIAL AND NOT RETAIL OR OFFICE RETAIL? UH, THE, THE CRUX OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT AND AND BASE ZONING [00:40:01] DISTRICT IS, IS COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO THEY OPTED TO SELECT THAT WE DID HAVE SOME CONCERN FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT ABOUT THE INTENSITY OF USES THAT, UH, SOME OF WHICH THAT ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. SO, UH, IN, IN DISCUSSING THAT WITH THE APPLICANT, WE WORKED ON A, A LIST OF SOME USES THAT EITHER ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT OR POTENTIALLY ALLOWED BY SUP THAT THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND JUST OUTRIGHT PROHIBIT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SO IN, IN EFFECT, THAT LEAVES YOU WITH A, UH, COMMERCIAL, A COUPLE OF COMMERCIAL TRACKS THAT ARE CLOSER, UH, TO, UH, GENERAL RETAIL USES THAN, THAN THE TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL. YEAH. NOTHING, NOTHING WOULD PRECLUDE THAT RETAIL OR OFFICE, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND, AND THAT AGAIN, CAMPUS STYLE OFFICE? YEAH. AND, AND, AND I'LL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT. I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC PLANS ON DEVELOPING THAT SITE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT. SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OF A, UM, UH, AGAIN, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED RETAIL SETTING THAN, UH, YOUR HEAVIER COMMERCIAL SETTING. AND IN, IN THAT BASE ZONING, MULTIFAMILY, THEY COULD, THEY COULD BUY RIGHT. BUILD MULTIFAMILY. SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION WITH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THIS SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT STYLE IS EXCLUSIVELY WHAT IS PROPOSED AND, AND PERMITTED, UH, THE MULTI NO, I I I MEAN WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY COULD HAVE, CORRECT. YEAH. WITH THE BASE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WENT WITH. ANY, UM, STYLE OF, OF MULTIFAMILY UP TO THE THREE STORY GARDEN STYLE 18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, UH, COULD BE PERMITTED. UH, IN THIS CASE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES DOWN TO A GROSS, UH, DENSITY OR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, ABOUT 7.15, UH, WHICH IS, UH, STILL HIGHER THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT THREE TO TO FIVE, BUT MUCH LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM FOR THE MULTIFAMILY BASE. THEY COULD BUILD 800 UNITS OR CORRECT. AND, AND FOR CONTEXT, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE EAST, THE HIGHLANDS AT BATES DRIVE, THAT'S A VERTICAL MIXED USE AS OPPOSED TO THIS MORE HORIZONTAL MIXED USE. IT COMES IN AT 29.15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. YEAH. YEAH. ZACH, WHAT ABOUT OUR DETENTION OR, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT SIZE OR WHATEVER FOR THIS, BUT WHICH WAY IS THIS GONNA, WHERE DOES IT FLOW? WHERE DOES IT GO FROM THERE IN A HEAVY RAIN? IF THAT'S OUR, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA CATCH OUR WATER. YES, SIR. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH WITH OUR ENGINEERING TEAM AND, AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE. UH, THE PROPOSAL IS TO DRAIN TOWARDS THE CREEK. UH, SO JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THERE IS A, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT POND HERE WAS LOOKING FOR. I MISSED THAT. SO THERE'S BEEN A, A, UH, SOME PRELIMINARY, UH, CAPACITY STUDIES OF THIS CREEK IN THE DRAINAGE AREA, UH, UH, FOR THIS POND, UH, THAT SHOW IT, IT'S LIKELY IT CAN ACCOMMODATE THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH THE APPROPRIATE DESIGN. UH, THE, THE MAINTENANCE ENTITY THAT'S, THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR KINDA MANAGING THIS POND HERE, UH, WHICH IS A, A CORPS OF ENGINEERS POND, I BELIEVE HAS INDICATED THAT IT IS FEASIBLE TO DO THAT. SO THEY'LL BE WORKING THROUGH THAT, UH, WITH THE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. THEY MAY HAVE TO, THEY MAY HAVE TO MAKE THAT CREEK A LITTLE BIGGER OR HAVE SOME SMALL PONDS OFF THAT TO CATCH SOME. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE OF STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, SIR. DO Y'ALL MIND, DON'T MIND GIVING YOUR NAMES AND ADDRESSES FOR THIS SECRETARY. GOOD EVENING. UM, MY NAME IS SHANNON LIVINGSTON AND, UH, I HAVE JASON KAISER HERE WITH KIMLEY HORN ENGINEERING, AND HE'S DONE ALL THE, UH, CIVIL AND ENGINEERING KIND OF STUDIES OVER THE COURSE OF CLOSE TO A YEAR AND A HALF NOW THAT WE'VE KINDA WORKED ON THIS PROJECT AND BEEN EXCITED TO DO SO. AND, AND, UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, UH, REVIEWING IT AND, AND YOUR COMMENT ABOUT IT BEING BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE I ALSO FEEL THAT WAY. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY YOUR QUESTIONS AND TRY TO WALK YOU THROUGH OUR THOUGHT PROCESS AND HOW WE GOT HERE. AND, AND BOTH OF Y'ALL ARE WITH KIMBERLY HORN? NO, I, I'M WITH, UH, REEF COMMUNITIES. I'M THE DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT SIDE. UH, WE'RE ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY FROM B AND T SERVICES, WHO'S THE CURRENT OWNER. AND SO WE HAVE A COLLABORATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND HAVE WORKED, UH, WITH HIM FOR A YEAR AND A HALF NOW TO GET TO THIS POINT. AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO TWEAK THE DESIGN AND, AND REALLY LOOK AT THIS AS A, UM, IT'S A TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, UH, PRODUCT. IT'S, IT'S ALL, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT IN OUR MIND. AND, UH, WE'LL BE PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED EVERYTHING, UH, THE MAINTENANCE, THERE'LL BE NO MAINTENANCE BY THE HOMEOWNERS WHATSOEVER. THEY'RE THE RENTERS. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED A VERY ATTRACTIVE PRODUCT AND WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH ZACH OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO, TO IN THE COLOR SCHEMES, THE ELEVATIONS, THE BRAKES CREATE THE EOS, WHICH ARE BASICALLY COURTYARD TYPE APPROACHES INTO THESE BUILDINGS. AND IT'S A VERY, VERY ATTRACTIVE, YOU KNOW, PRODUCT. AND I THINK IT, UH, MEETS THE NEED IN A MARKET TODAY WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CHALLENGED WITH AFFORDABILITY ON HOUSING. UH, THEY WANNA LIVE [00:45:01] IN A HOUSE. THEY MAY NOT, UH, NECESSARILY BE IN A POSITION TO BUY A HOUSE, BUT THEY CAN STILL LIVE IN A, A RENTAL PRODUCT WHERE THEY HAVE A YARD. THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ABOVE 'EM. THEY HAVE TWO CAR GARAGE. UM, WE'VE GOTTEN INTO THE WEEDS ON THE GARAGES, EVEN WE'VE MADE 'EM BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE F-150 TRUCKS. WE'VE STUDIED STEPS TOPO TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY PARK A TRUCK IN THE GARAGE, THEY STILL ACCESS THEIR DOORS. I MEAN, ALL THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS I'VE THOUGHT THROUGH IN THIS PROJECT. AND SO I REALLY WANNA MAKE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL THAT PEOPLE CAN POINT TO AND SAY THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS. SO YOU'RE WITH THIS R-R-E-A-F COMMUNITIES? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO I LOOKED ON YOUR WEBSITE, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, TONS OF STUFF ALL, ALL OVER THE, THE COUNTRY, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT LOOKED LIKE THIS. IS THIS YOUR FIRST, WE, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE FIRST TRY AT THIS. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA BREAK GROUND ON ROYCE CITY. OKAY. THAT WE GOTTA PROVE. WE WORKED WITH THAT CITY THE SAME WAY, GOT A PD PUT IN PLACE, HAVE ORDINANCE IN PLACE, AND REWORKED A PLAN THAT FAILED. AND, UH, WE'RE REDEVELOPING THAT SITE AND KIND OF DOING THE SAME TYPE OF PRODUCT. AND, AND SO WE'RE MEETING A NEED IN THAT MARKET AS WELL. THAT DOESN'T EXIST. AND SO I LIKE, UH, THESE TYPES OF, UM, SITES BECAUSE THEY WANT OFFER ACCESS TO SCHOOLS GOOD AND SERVICES, YOU KNOW, MEDICAL, ALL, ALL THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT. AND THEN THEY STILL HAVE THE QUALITY LIFE WITH ALL THE AMENITIES, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN A APARTMENT COMPLEX. AND Y'ALL WILL ALSO SERVE AS THE MANAGER? YES. PROPERTY MANAGER. WE HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT ARM CALLED RR, LIVING LEASING AGENT, THE WHOLE, THEY, YEAH. WE RUN, YOU KNOW, 17,000 UNITS TODAY. OKAY. UH, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE OR WHAT IS YOUR MODEL FOR RENTAL RATES ON THESE? UM, THEY ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOVE, UH, APARTMENT RENTALS. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL THE WAY UP TO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, $2 AND 10 CENTS A FOOT DEPENDING ON SIZE OF, OF THE PRODUCT. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE ONE BEDROOM, YOU KNOW, DUPLEXES ARE, YOU KNOW, KINDA THE MOST EXPENSIVE YOU COULD HAVE BIGGER FOUNDATION, MORE ROOF, AND YOU KNOW, ONE CAR GARAGES. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE ONE CARS THAT YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT. THOSE ARE HOW THAT BREAKS UP. EVERYTHING ELSE ABOVE A ONE BEDROOM IS ALL TWO CAR. AND SO, UM, THE RENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THESE PRODUCTS ARE 10 TO 15% HIGHER THAN WHAT STANDARD WHAT? YES, SIR. AND YOU'VE DONE YOUR, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND I THINK ZACH HAS MENTIONED THIS, THE, THE THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS KIND OF GIVE US OR GIVE ME HISTORICALLY SOME PAUSE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A THREE OR FOUR BEDROOM UNIT AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, THERE'S 12 PEOPLE LIVING IN A FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST NOT, THAT'S JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE. GOING THROUGH THIS, IT APPEARS THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO MITIGATE THAT SOMEWHAT BY THE, I GUESS, LACK OF ON STREETT PARKING AND REQUIRING ALMOST EVERYTHING TO BE IN A GARAGE. IN FACT, AS I LOOKED AT THIS, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU EVEN HAVE ANY PARKING APRONS BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE ALLEY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING'S GOTTA BE IN A GARAGE OR, YOU KNOW, THE PARALLEL PARKING. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY LEND ITSELF TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH MULTIPLE CARS. THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. THERE WON'T BE PARKING THOSE ALLEYWAYS WHATSOEVER. SO EVERYTHING'S GOTTA BE IN A GARAGE. AND THE REST OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, ACCESSORY PARKING FOR, FOR GUESTS THAT ARE ON THE STREET. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT'S THE PARALLEL EXCEEDED, UH, PARKING BY NORTH OF A HUNDRED PLUS SPACES. WELL, COMPARED TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GOT ACRES OF PARKING TO GO ALONG WITH THERE. UH, SO THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE STREET OTHER THAN THE STRAPPED PARALLEL PARKING? CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. OKAY. SO NOT EVERY STREET IS A FIRE LANE WIDTH. 'CAUSE THESE ARE PRIVATE STREETS. YOU'VE GOT YOUR FIRE LANES THROUGH THE COMPLEX, BUT THERE'S SOME STREETS THAT ARE SMALLER ALMOST AFTER. YES, VERY FEW ARE SMALLER. MOST, I MEAN, MOST ALL THESE BUILDINGS ARE ACCESSIBLE, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, FIRE TO GET TO. THEY CAN BASICALLY ALMOST DRIVE AROUND EVERY BUILDING. OKAY. AND WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH ZACH AND THE FIRE MARSHAL TO REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT WAS CORRECT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EXCEEDED, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO FROM A CODE STANDPOINT, FROM ACCESSIBILITY FOR FIRE. DID, DID I SEE SOME OF THESE HAVE A SHARED, I GUESS, SHARED APPROACH THAN GOING INTO A GARAGE? DID I SEE SOME OF THOSE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. ON THE ALLEYWAYS, THERE'S A SHARED DRIVEWAY. IT'S A SHARED DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO THE, TO THE GARAGE SIZE ONLY. ALL THE FRONT DOORS ARE FACING WHAT WE CALL A EO, WHICH IS BASICALLY A COURTYARD TYPE. SO IT'S A YARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'LL BE LANDSCAPED, IT'LL BE VERY BEAUTIFUL. AND THEN, UM, THAT ONE, THAT ONE, THERE'S THE ONE THAT I WAS, SO THAT'S A RIGHT. THE IDEA IS NOT TO HAVE ANY GARAGES FACING THE STREET WHATSOEVER. RIGHT, RIGHT. NO, THAT'S, SO IT REALLY HELPS THE OVERALL LOOK OF THE PROJECT. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, NOBODY CAN PARK IN THAT AREA THERE, EVERYBODY'S GOTTA PULL INTO THE GARAGE. THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. MM-HMM . MR. LIVINGSTON, [00:50:01] IF I WANTED TO HAVE A PARTY, AND, UH, I'M IN ONE OF YOUR THREE TO FOUR BEDROOM UNITS MM-HMM . WHERE ARE MY GUESTS GOING TO PARK HERE? THERE'S, THERE'S AMPLE STREET PARKING, IT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PARALLEL TO THE CURB. UH, WE EXCEEDED, YOU KNOW, PARKING A, A GREAT DEAL TO ALLOW FOR THAT TYPE OF EVENT. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT ALSO HAS A, A CLUB ROOM IN THE AMENITY CENTER THAT WOULD BE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BIGGER GATHERINGS. AND WE, YOU KNOW, WOULD, THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE PROPERTY MANAGER WOULD HAVE THAT TYPE OF EVENT. UH, OBVIOUSLY THE VILLAGE GREEN IS A LAWN AREA FOR, FOR PARTIES, PICNICS, AND, AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE POOL STRUCTURE THAT, THAT WHOLE AREA, THIS WHOLE THING'S DESIGNED TO BE ACTIVATED. SO YOU HAVE CONNECTION CROSS COLONIZATION BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND ALL THE RESIDENTS SO YOU CAN SUPPORT AND HAVE QUALITY OF LIFE. THANK YOU. UH, LET'S SEE. I'VE GOT A FEW MORE. UH, SO IN THAT PHASE ONE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT OFF THE SAME TIME, IS IT LITERALLY GOING TO BE BUILT AND FINISHED AT THE SAME TIME? YES. YES. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL COME IN AND BECAUSE OF THE TOPO ON THE SITE, WE'LL BENCH THE WHOLE SITE FROM A DIRT WORK STANDPOINT, AND THEN WE'LL START THAT PHASE ONE IN THE AMENITY CENTER. AND THE IDEA IS THAT WE'LL GET, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH UNITS ON THE GROUND TO, SO WHERE WE CAN, CAN HAVE THAT ALL UNTO ITSELF AND START LEASING UP AT THAT POINT IN TIME AS WE START WORKING THROUGH THE OTHER PHASE OF THE PROJECT. SO THAT PHASE ONE A, THE, THE AMENITY CENTER IS NOT GONNA KIND OF BE THE LAST PART OF PHASE ONE. IT'S ALMOST GONNA BE THE FIRST PART OF PHASE ONE, KIND OF ALMOST LIKE A LEASING OFFICE. AND YES, IT'S ALL GONNA HAPPEN SIMULTANEOUSLY. YEAH. WE JUST DID IT THAT WAY. SO WE COULD, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW, WHICH ONE FINISHED FIRST, WE COULD ACTIVATE. YEAH. YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE JUST GONNA PUT POUR A HUNDRED SLABS AT, AT ONCE OR EITHER WE'LL GO DOWN THE STREET AND START POURING SLABS AND IT'LL, IT'LL COME UP QUICKLY. SO IT'S GONNA BE ALL, ALL CONSTRUCTED AS A, JUST LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WOULD BE. YEAH. BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. YEAH. SO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT AS FAR AS TIMELINES FOR, UM, WHEN PHASE ONE OPENS THEN WHEN YOU OPEN PHASE TWO? SO WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, 30 MONTHS. UH, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT ANOTHER SIX MONTHS WORTH OF WORK TO DO ON PLANNING AND, AND GETTING PLANS. HOPEFULLY WE CAN RUN THROUGH AND GET THOSE DONE TIMELY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION CYCLE WILL BE ABOUT 22 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, ON THAT FIRST PHASE. AND THEN, WE'LL, WE'LL ACTUALLY BE IN THE SECOND PHASE AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, COMPLETING PHASE ONE. SO, UH, INITIALLY THAT WHOLE, YOU KNOW, MY PLAN IS TO TAKE PHASE ONE, PHASE ONE A AND START THAT PROJECT, THEN ENROLL INTO PHASE TWO TOO. SO WITH A, UM, PLAN LIKE THIS, HOW, UM, HOW DO YOU SEE THE POPULATION DENSITY OF FAMILIES VERSUS SINGLES? I MEAN, IT, IT'S GOTTA BE PRETTY DIFFERENT FROM A TRADITIONAL APARTMENT COMPLEX, IS THAT IT IS. OKAY. UM, YEAH, SO THE APARTMENT COMP, I'LL JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, START, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WITH THE WHOLE AREA, LOOK AT IT FROM A 36,000 FOOT LEVEL. UM, THE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT GOT APPROVED NEXT DOOR HAS ABOUT 252 SINGLE, UH, ONE BEDROOM UNITS. THE REST ARE TWO, ABOUT 74%, ONE BEDROOMS. THAT'S A LOT OF THOSE UNITS HITTING THE MARKET, AND THAT'S GONNA BE GEARED TOWARDS MORE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE PEOPLE YOUNGER THAT ENJOY THAT KINDA LIFE. APARTMENT LIVING DON'T MIND, YOU KNOW, BEING IN A, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR STORY BUILDING. UM, WE'RE MORE TRANSITIONAL FOR THE, UM, MAYBE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS WITH THE BABY, YOU KNOW, UH, LARGER FAMILIES THAT ARE RETIRING, UH, AND DOWNSIZING, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO OWN A BIG HOUSE ANYMORE. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, COULD BE THE DIVORCED MOTHER WITH A KID. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT TYPE OF, UH, CLIENTELE IS KIND OF WHERE WE SEE, YOU KNOW, THE USER ON THIS, ON THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE IT'S MORE LIKE A HOME. SURE. THE FOOTPRINT IS JUST SMALLER THAN A REGULAR HOME, SO IT KIND OF MEETS THAT GAP. MM-HMM . UM, BETWEEN ON SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALL THOUGHT THROUGH VERY CAREFULLY. WELL, I ALSO SEE THIS BEING A GREAT BENEFIT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE MOVING TO WAXAHATCHEE, AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MOVE QUICKLY AND IT'S HARD. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT AREA YOU WANNA LIVE IN. AND SO I SEE THIS AS BEING A GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE KIND OF GETTING TO KNOW OUR COMMUNITY UNTIL THEY FIND WHAT THEY WANNA DO PERMANENTLY. I JUST, MY CONCERN IS THAT OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, UH, SPACE IN OUR SCHOOL BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY, THIS WOULD BE ZONED FOR WEDGE WORTH, I THINK, UM, THAT, THAT SCARES ME A LITTLE BIT. . WELL, I, I, I CAN'T SOLVE THAT ENTIRE PROBLEM. THAT'S ONE THAT'S GONNA EXIST, WHETHER, WHETHER WE'RE HERE OR NOT. I KNOW IT. SO IT'S JUST, I KNOW IT'S, UM, WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WANT TO BECOME KIND OF A, A PROJECT THAT YOU CAN POINT TO AND SAY, THIS IS REALLY WELL DONE. MM-HMM . UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT QUALITY PRODUCT, UM, LIVABLE, ACTIVATED QUALITY OF LIFE, YOU [00:55:01] KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF, UM, AMENITIES AT YOUR DOORSTEP AND, AND THAT, THAT TIES INTO THINKING OF THE WAY THE, THE COMMERCIAL PIECE WAS LAID OUT AS WELL, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO, TO KIND OF MAKE IT WHERE YOU COULD WALK, YOU KNOW, FROM THESE UNITS TO A STARBUCKS OR TO, YOU KNOW, A, A PANERA BREAD OR WHATEVER, THAT KIND OF RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE MIGHT ULTIMATELY GET THERE. THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, AS, AS THIS AREA GROWS, I MEAN THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, TRAFFIC ON 2 87 AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MAKE THIS MORE OF A COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A RENTAL AND HAVE HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT. WELL, I'M SURE THE TEACHERS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL WOULD BE THRILLED TO HAVE A STARBUCKS RIGHT THERE AS WELL. . MR. LIVINGSTON, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, 'CAUSE I, MAYBE I MISSED IT. UM, ANYTHING FOR 55 AND UP 50 OR LIKE A DESIGNATED SPACE? WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T SEGREGATED IT. UH, BUT THE PRODUCT IS THERE AND SO WE HAVE LIKE TWO BEDROOM, ONE STORY, YOU KNOW, DUPLEXES, ONE BEDROOM, DUPLEXES, AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE LEVEL ENCLOSED GARAGES, PRIVATE, ALL THESE UNITS WILL HAVE A PRIVATE YARD AND, AND OR A TRAP YARD IN THE FRONT. SO EVERY UNIT HAS ITS OWN SPACE AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF GEARED TO CAPTURE, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT TYPE OF CLIENTELE. SO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT 55, YOU'RE NOT BEHOLDEN TO ANY KIND OF TAX CREDIT FINANCING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS ALL STRAIGHT YES. STRAIGHT FINANCING, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE PROJECT. SO, AND, AND YOU HADN'T MENTIONED IT, BUT IN, IN THEORY, YOU KNOW, A NEWLYWED OR A SINGLE TEACHER MM-HMM . THEY MOVE INTO THE ONE BEDROOM, THEN THEY GET MARRIED AND THEY HAVE A TWO BEDROOM AND THEY HAVE KIDS AND THEY GO TO THE THREE BEDROOM. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A RETENTION IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK ABOUT AS I DO THESE THINGS AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE EVEN STAY THE SIZE OF THE GARAGES 'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA STAY SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE LIVING. YEAH. AND IF YOU HAVE THESE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WALK IN A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT AREN'T DONE WELL, YOU KNOW, EVEN DOWN THE ROOM SIZE AND THE, I MEAN, I'VE STAYED THE FURNITURE PLACEMENTS, THE DOOR SWINGS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GO ON A LOT OF PRODUCT WHERE THEY, YOU GO ON A MODEL AND THEY HAVE THE DOORS OFF WHERE THERE'S A REASON TO HAVE THE DOORS OFF IS 'CAUSE WHEN YOU CLOSE THE DOOR, YOU CAN'T GET TO THE TOILET. MM-HMM . I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT DRIVE ME CRAZY. SO, I MEAN, I'VE THOUGHT THROUGH ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS IT RELATES TO HOW THESE ROOMS AND THESE STRUCTURES ARE SET OUT. WHICH I, AND THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY THAT THAT FRONT IS NOT RETAIL. I GUESS IT JUST GIVES YOU MORE OPTIONS, BUT I WOULD THINK THIS IS JUST PERFECT FOR, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER TYPE PROJECT THAN WHAT WE HAD WITH SPROUTS. IT'S GOT TWO OR THREE LITTLE, I'M OPEN FOR, I'M OPEN FOR INPUT AND, AND, AND, UH, YEAH, NO, I KNOW, I KNOW MY, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GET THE PERFECT USERS IN THERE, I MEAN, YOU COULD REALLY CREATE A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY NOT ONLY FROM THIS, BUT ALSO THE PROJECT NEXT DOOR. YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WISH THAT SOME OF THAT WAS REALIGNED, YOU KNOW, TO BE CONNECTED, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND IT, AND IT'S NOT. I WAS GOING TO ASK ZACH, THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO DEAD END STREETS TO THE WEST, I MEAN TO THE EAST, THEY DON'T CONNECT TO MARK'S DEAL. UH, SO THIS NORTHERN CONNECTION DOES. OKAY. UM, SO RIGHT ABOUT HERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MUTUAL CONNECTIVITY HERE. OKAY. OKAY. UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY TO THE WEST. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT SHOULD OPEN UP, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS TO THE COMMERCIAL USE. YES. YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY FOR THEIR DEAL, BUT THIS DEAL AS WELL. SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S A LOT OF CROSS POLARIZATION THAT WILL OCCUR. YEAH. YEAH. UH, ONE OF THE THING THAT, THAT WE'VE HAD, AND, AND I'M, I'M A, I'M A FAN OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE DONE ARCHITECTURALLY, UH, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT STYLE, THANK YOU. IT'S JUST ENOUGH. MM-HMM . ENOUGH DIFFERENT AND, AND THE COLOR SCHEMES AND ALL THAT. BUT WHEN OTHER ARCHITECTS OR DEVELOPERS HAVE COME TO US AND WE'VE NOT RESTRICTED, BUT REQUIRED THEM TO USE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES JUST THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT BE SO HOMOGENOUS, YOU KNOW, WE TELL 'EM WHATEVER THAT PHOTOGRAPH LOOKS LIKE THAT YOU PROVIDE US, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOTTA LOOK LIKE BUILT OUT. SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO MAKE THAT, THAT STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SHOW US ANYTHING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE BUILT. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M WILLING TO PUT MY NAME ON , SO. WELL GOOD. I'LL GO BACK. I'LL GO BACK THE OTHER WAY. GOOD, GOOD. UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF IN OUR REEF COMMUNITIES AND, AND, AND MY PARTNERS AND I, WE'RE ALL VERY PROUD OF, OF, YOU KNOW, OF THE WORK WE DO AND, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL A, A NICHE AND, AND CREATE A, A, A PRODUCT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BE PROUD OF. AND TWO, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAN RETAIN, RETAIN PEOPLE THAT WE WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO BE VERY, VERY HAPPY. AND SO WHEN WE HAVE HAPPY RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MEANS WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND THAT'S OUR GOAL. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE FIRST MULTIFAMILY, [01:00:01] UM, UNIT THAT HAS BEEN, UM, ON OUR DOCKET SINCE AND ON OUR DOCKET, OUR AGENDA SINCE I JOINED P AND Z. AND SO I HOPE THIS IS NOT A TABOO QUESTION, BUT IS ANY OF THIS GONNA BE HELD OUT FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING? DO YOU PLAN TO DO ANY OF THAT? THERE'S NO SECTION EIGHT IN THIS. IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A STRAIGHT UP, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S A, UH, HIGHER END, YOU KNOW, RENTAL COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WITH QUALITY, PRODUCT QUALITY PRESENTATION QUALITY, UH, FLOOR PLANS AND, UH, ROOM SIZES TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO WOULD WANT TO PUT A KING BED IN A BACHELOR BEDROOM AND A QUEEN IN THE SECONDS. I MEAN, THIS, THIS HAS GOT THAT. GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, I DIDN'T FIGURE, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I KNEW. WELL USUALLY THOSE HAVE SOME SORT OF, OF FINANCING AND, AND TAX CREDIT THING WITH, WITH THEM, WHICH IS WE'RE NOT APPLYING. GOTCHA. WE'VE GOT A, A PROJECT SIMILAR TO THIS EXCEPT ON CANTRELL, EXCEPT YOU BUY THE HOMES INSTEAD OF RENT THEM. SAME, THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL, SEVERAL OF THESE PODS THAT LOOK ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE CANTRE. I HAD THAT KIND OF WRITTEN DOWN. THE, THE THING THAT YOU, I MEAN, IT'S BACK TO KIND OF WHERE THE, YOU GET BACK INTO THE MAINTENANCE QUESTION AT THAT POINT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE CONSISTENCY OF THE MAINTENANCE? YOU KNOW, DOES EVERYTHING LOOK THE SAME OVER A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP LIKE HOME, EVERYBODY MAINTAINS THEIR PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO OVER TIME THOSE THINGS CAN DEVIATE WHERE THIS REALLY REMAINS CONSISTENT. MM-HMM . AND, AND THAT INCLUDES, I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROJECT AND THE OVERALL LOOK TO THE STRUCTURES AND THE GROUNDS AND THAT, AND THAT INCLUDES THE EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE TOO? YES. YEAH. THESE ARE, THESE ARE, SO WHEN THEY NEED PAINTING, Y'ALL ARE GONNA PAINT 'EM. YEAH. THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL. YEAH. THAT'S ALL THROUGH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. YEAH. DO THEY, DO THEY PAY AN EXTRA? THEY'LL THEY'LL PAY THEIR OWN OWN. THEY'LL PAY ELECTRIC AND, AND THEY'LL BE SEPARATELY METERED? THEY WILL BE SEPARATE. YES. FOR, FOR WATER AND ELECTRIC WATER AND ELECTRIC. SO A SEPARATE WATER METER FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE UNITS? USUALLY WE DO THAT. WE USUALLY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO. CAN YOU SUBMETER? YEAH, YOU SUBMETER OUT, YOU JUST PUT A METER BANK IN AND THEN YOU SUBMETER OUT. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE A METER AT THE STREET, IT'LL SUBMETER FROM THERE. OKAY. AND SO IT'S A WHOLE LOT EASIER FROM A MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT TO DO THAT THAN TRY TO ALLOCATE IT'S FAIR TO THE RESIDENT. RIGHT. UH, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY PAY FOR WHAT THEY USE AND, AND MAILBOXES WILL BE SOMEWHERE SECOND CLUSTER MAILBOX. THERE WON'T BE ANY MAILBOXES THAT LOOK DOWN THE STREET AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY THESE CARS CRAZY. THAT'S BEING CRAZY. THOSE ARE, THEY'RE, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME THEY JUST DON'T, THEY DON'T LOOK GOOD. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY START TO LEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE THIS, THIS STRUCTURAL SUPPORT IN THE, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S GONNA POUR A, YOU KNOW, EIGHT FOOT PIER OR 12 INCHES WITH A CAGE IN IT TO PUT A MAILBOX IN. WELL, VISUALLY IT'S, IT'S UNSIGHTLY AT BEST. RIGHT. IS SECURITY A QUESTION? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY? WELL, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T OFFER SECURITY. I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SAY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING SECURITY TO PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MISLEADING. I MEAN, WE HAVE FIRE AND EMS AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY, JUST LIKE A, A TYPICAL RESIDENT WOULD HAVE. MM-HMM. YOU KNOW, ANY SECURITY, THEY'LL HAVE A SECURITY SYSTEM IN THE UNIT. OKAY. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A SECURITY GUARD ON SOMETHING, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A GUARD DRIVING. NO, SIR. IF WE DID THAT, WE'D PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND GONE BACK AND FORTH. UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE ACCESSIBILITY TO THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND TRYING TO ACCESS THE COMMERCIAL FOR EVERYBODY KIND OF IN THE AREA, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO KIND OF SEGREGATE AND GATE THIS THING, YOU KNOW? YEAH. YOU DON'T WANT TO GATE IT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IF WE, WE PUT A PROVISION OF THE PD, SAY WE COULD DO IT, BUT IT ONLY HAD, IT'D BE HAVE TO BE ACCESSIBLE AT DRIVING UP SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A CODE. IT WOULD JUST BE ACCESSIBLE. YEAH. IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. IT'S JUST WOULD BE, AT THAT POINT, IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH PROTECTION FOR THESE PEOPLE, THEN IT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER. BUT AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY PULLED UP THE GATE, IT'D HAVE TO OPEN BASED ON WELL, YEAH, I WAS TALKING ABOUT JUST LIKE A, A, A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH GUY THAT DRIVES IN HIS GOLF CART. GOT IT. AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY SO OFTEN. AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I WOULD SAY THAT AS THE PLACE, UH, NEXT DOOR IN THIS, I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOME ABILITY TO, TO WORK ON THAT KIND OF A THING THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, AT SCALE ENOUGH TO WHERE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. YEAH. MM-HMM . I MEAN, THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT IS A VERY NICE PROJECT FOR THIS POINT OF TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR CAP, YOUR CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE UNITS AND THE PROGRAM AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. AND, AND YOU ASSUME SOME LIABILITY OF PROTECTION WHEN YOU'VE GOT A SECURITY GUARD. THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING A SLIPPERY, SLIPPERY SLOPE. YEAH. WE, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT LIABILITY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND, AND WOULD NOT. YEAH. AND THEY KNOW THAT GOING IN. YES SIR. YEAH. WHEN THEY SIGN THE LEASE, THEY KNOW THAT GOING IN. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? THANKS SIR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YEAH. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? [01:05:07] I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE. [12. Consider recommendation of ZDC-91-2024] RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZDC DASH NINE ONE DASH 2024. A PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUEST FOR A MIXED USE USE, UH, MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THE STAFF REPORT AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OR CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS ACCORDINGLY. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THAT IS THE LAST ITEM WE HAVE ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. BRENT, YOU GOT ANYTHING FOR US? UM, I JUST WANNA GO AHEAD AND THANK THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE ABLE TO MAKE OUR TOUR, UM, LAST WEEK. IT WAS A REALLY GOOD EXPERIENCE. UH, WE LEARNED A LOT AND WE HOPE TO CONTINUE ON WITH THOSE TOURS AND TRY TO GET MORE OF YOU OUT THERE TO VISIT DIFFERENT AREAS AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO BROADEN OUR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCES. THANKS FOR DOING THAT. ZACH, ANYTHING FOR US? NO, SIR. SEAN, WHAT DO YOU GOT? NOTHING FOR YOU? NOTHING CHIEF? NO, SIR. CHAD, ANYTHING? I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT I MISSED THE TOUR. I TRIED, BUT YOU KNOW, THINGS HAPPEN. YEAH. BUT, UH, I'LL DO MY VERY BEST TO MAKE THE NEXT ONE. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING ME. ALRIGHT MS. JOSH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? I DO. I WANTED TO THANK TRENTON AND COMPANY FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE TOUR. IT WAS EXCEPTIONAL. YEAH. AND FOR THOSE OF US THAT WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT YOUR MR. TREAT AND TO SEE, UM, THIS LAST PRESENTATION, IT KIND OF PUT ME IN THE MIND OF THE VIRIDIAN IF YOU GUYS HAVE NOT BEEN OUT TO ARLINGTON ON THAT, UH, WHAT USED TO BE A LAND FIELD WHERE IT IS LIKE THIS BUSTLING COMMUNITY ACTIVATED PEOPLE WALKING AND SEEING SOME OF THE VERY SAME THINGS IN THIS LAST PRESENTATION, YOU GUYS. YEAH. FANTASTIC. IT WAS AWESOME. WAS ICE CREAM INVOLVED FROM THE, BETWEEN EVERYTHING. UNICORNS AND RAINBOWS. . BUT IT WAS AWESOME. SERIOUSLY? IT WAS GREAT. THANKS. THE BRIDGES AIN'T THE CARS. I ALSO AM SO SAD THAT I HAD TO MISS. I WAS A FIELD DAY AT WILDMAN, UH, WHICH WAS ITS OWN KIND OF FUN. BUT I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT ONE. , TERRY, ANYTHING FOR US? WELL, I WAS ON THE MERIDIAN TOUR AND I WAS QUITE IMPRESSED WITH THE SHOW THAT THEY PUT ON. UH, EDDIE, IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO GO, PLEASE DO IT BECAUSE YOU WILL BE IMPRESSED TOO. YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. AND ALSO WANT TO ADD OUR LAST MEETING, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, EVEN THOUGH I DID VOTE AGAINST, I WASN'T VOTING AGAINST UH, SPROUTS, I WAS VOTING AGAINST TRAFFIC. YES, YES. I UNDERSTAND . YEP. YEP. AND IT'S GONNA GENERATE IT. YEAH. YES, BUT THAT'S SOMETIME, WELL I SAY SOMETIMES IT'S A GOOD THING. IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL WHEN THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S TRAPPED. COUNCILMAN, WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US? NOTHING. WHAT, WHAT YOU GAVE ME BACK. I DON'T HAVE ANY NOW. RIGHT. ALRIGHT, WELL I'M GONNA ADJOURN REAL QUICK THEN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.